we know there are so many people who are uninsured, and this is brand-new territory for them. between ourselves and community navigators, we know that people in each community can help you find where you need to go. host: just a reminder, the line for medical professionals are -- is (202) 748-8002. we hear from sandeep, in kent, in kent, ohio. caller: hello. governor dewine, yesterday, in the middle of this health care crisis, he cut the budget for medicaid and schools. i'm concerned, is he going to kick people off of medicaid and maybe they would have to come to your clinics? why would he cut in the middle of a health care crisis? he could cut the budget somewhere else besides the schools, which may be getting ready to start back up in september. i'm so confused about these budget cuts. thank you. guest: thank you, sandy. at this point in time, governors are looking closely at all of their state budgets. i don't know, i haven't read the decision as to why the governor of ohio made that decision yesterday. i will do research for that for you. at this point in time, we are watch

pandemic, 87 million people uninsured or underinsured. by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. we have a primary health care system which is way behind other countries and clearly, we had an inadequate public health system in which our doctors and nurses did not even have the masks and gloves and gowns they needed to do their jobs. for all of that, we had the privilege of spending twice as much per person as any other country on earth. now when millions of people are losing their health care, because it is attached to their jobs, it is hard to imagine anybody defending this current system except the health care industry, which made 100 billion in profits last year. anyone else should say this system is so dysfunctional. we need to move in a new direction. alllieve that medicare for is a direction we have got to go. health care is a human right. not an employee benefit. i'm going to do my best to move joe in that direction. one way we can move in that is --ion the age of medicare eligibility to 55. make sure every ki

before the pandemic and before the pandemic he had 87 million people uninsured or underinsured.paid by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs and we have a primary health care system which is way behind other countries and clearly we had an inadequate public health system in which our doctors and nurses do not even have the masks, the gloves and the gowns they needed to do their jobs and to protect themselves. so for all of that we have the pilferage of spending twice as much a person on healthcare as any other country. and now when millions of people are losing their healthcare because it is attached to their jobs is hard for me to imagine anybody defending this current system except the healthcare industry which made 100 billion in profits last year. e i got that but anyone else could cite the system is so dysfunctional and so wasteful and we need to move in a new direction. so, i believe that medicare for all is the direction we've got to go and healthcare is a human right, not an employee benefit and i will do my best to move joe in that direction and i t

between 2017 and 2018, the uninsured rate increased 0.5 percentage points, and the number of uninsured people increased by 1.9 million. >> reporter: according to the census bureau, this represents the first increase in the uninsured rate since 2009. aron-dine worries that the fear of high medical costs could potentially discourage people exhibiting early symptoms of covid-19 from seeking medical attention in a timely fashion. >> well, if you think about the fear that i think all of us are feeling as we face this unprecedented public health crisis, imagine that being compounded byorrying that you can't go to the doctor; that if you do go to the doctor, it could mean medical debt that would compromise your future. one of the things a public health crisis drives home is that all of us are better off wh everybody can get the coverage and care they need, and all of us are at risk when people are afraid to seek care. >> reporter: so, why is the national uninsured rate going up? >> i certainly think that the decisions that the white house has made haven't helped at all. some of these trends are ongo

we know there are so many people who are uninsured, and this is brand-new territory for them. tween ourselves and community navigators, we know that people in each community can help you find where you need to go. host: just a reminder, the line for medical professionals are -- is (202) 748-8002. we hear from sandeep, in kent, in kent, ohio. caller: hello. governor dewine, yesterday, in the middle of this health care crisis, he cut the budget for medicaid and schools. i'm concerned, is he going to kick people off of medicaid and maybe they would have to come to your clinics? why would he cut in the middle of a health care crisis? he could cut the budget somewhere else besides the schools, which may be getting ready to start back up in september. i'm so confused about these budget cuts. thank you. guest: thank you, sandy. at this point in time, governors are looking closely at all of their state budgets. i don't know, i haven't read the decision as to why the governor of ohio made that decision yesterday. i will do research for that for you. at this point in time, we are watchin

we weren't addressing it. 80 million people without health care and uninsured. and 500,000 people uninsured, thousands die, we weren't really dealing with it, talking about the middle class or wealthy. then covid hits and we've got all these wounds of racism, wounds of classism. 100,000 people are dead. then we find out that many of them didn't have to die. 50%, 60% of them didn't have to die. in the midst of a pandemic, a health crisis, don, we need help. we need living wages, sick leave. people are being sent in to lethal situations. they aren't being given protective equipment. and what do we do as a country, the congress, the president, 85% of nearly $3.5 trillion went to corporate interests. and people are dying. we gave people a name change from service workers to essential workers and then people have to see a lynching, a literal lynching on tv. so what this is, don, is public mourning. no one wants the fires. even many of the activists on the ground have said they don't want this. but they've also shared how their non-violent pleas and protests have gone

one major hospital in chicago sit half the people died from covid-19 and their hospital, were uninsured. many of them hispanic. there people who may or may not have health insurance, they are desperate to work and earn a living. some of them are afraid that either they or some member of their family may be deported if they even show up to hospital and report themselves sick so they wait until it's literally to too late and they die. you seen our economy shut down a lot ofse hardship as a result of it. many owners of businesses, restaurants and others have talked to me and others in the senate about how soon we can't reopen. most of them, not all of them understand that going through this kind of shutdown of our economy and our personal lives is bad if we don't one time, it's horrible if you think about doing it a second time if we open too soon or in the wrong way. in my state, 800 30,000 people filed for unemployment insurance between march 1 and april 25. they are among the 30 million americans who filed for unemployment since covid came to america. 40million. that is the fastest, ste

one major hospital in chicago told me half of the people who died9 from covid-19 in their hospitals were uninsured. many of them were hispanic. there were people who may or may not have health insurance. they are desperate for work and earn a living. hesome of them were afraid that either them or some member of the family may be deported if they even showed up in the hospital were reportsse of sicko they wait until it is literally too late andat they die. we have seen the economy shuts down and a lot of hardship as a result. many businesses, restaurants and others have talked about how soon we can reopen. but most of them understand going through this kind of shut down of the economy and personal lives is bad if we do at one time anit onetime and it's horrk about doing it a second time if we reopen too soon or along the way. they are among the 30 million americans with myy file. that is the fastest deepest loss of jobs we have ever seen. they reopened the six nations beforstate stationsbefore we'ved careful work required the only risk more infection, more death and more jobs and more economic hard

one major hospital in chicago told me that half of the people who've died from covid-19 in their hospital were uninsured, many of them hispanic. they are people who may or may not have health insurance. they are desperate to work and earn an living. some are afraid that either they or some member of their family may be deported if they show up at a hospital and report themselves sick, so they wait until it's literally too late and they die. we've seen our economy shut down and a lot of hardship as a result of it. many owners of businesses, restaurants, and others have talked to me and others in the senate about how soon we can reopen, but most of them -- not all of them, but most of them understand that going through this kind of shutdown of our economy and our personal lives is bad, bad if we do it one time. it's horrible to think about doing it a second time if we reopen too soon or in the wrong way. in my state, 830,000 people have filed for unemployment insurance between march 1 and april 25. they are among the 30 million americans who filed for unemployment since covid came to america. 40 million.

single senator from the other side of the aisle would support the efforts to reduce the number of uninsured people in america. we barely passed it by one vote with senator harry reid as the majority leader of the time without any help, without any voice from the other side of the aisle and what happened in my state the number of uninsured was cut in half by the so-called obamacare affordable care act. since then, the other side of the aisle has been resolute in its determination to repeal it, not to replace it. they don't even have a replacement, but to repeal it and give up on the quest to make sure every american has the peace of mind of the protection of health insurance. i affordable, quality health insurance. so at the end of this whole crisis, are we still going to hear the other side of the aisle argue that we should have dedicated ourselves to reducing the number of uninsured? i hope they will take the time as i have to talk to administrators at hospitals about what's happening in their emergency rooms and in their surgical suites and other places where they've had to address this crisis f

uninsured. so about 9% of people are uninsured across the country, give or take, and in texas, it's more than double that. our little hospital down the street on any given year can provide up to $6 million in uncompensated care. and it's hard to run a business when you're giving away $6 million a year. >> alfonsi: and this year, the pandemic has pushed calhoun county's hospital further into the red. like many states, preparing for the pandemic, texas cancelled non-essential medical procedures for 30 days to expand hospital capacity around the state. things like colonoscopies and lab services that usually make up half the revenue at the state's rural hospitals. when we visited calhoun county's hospital, there were no covid patients, but few other patients either. we noticed the e.r. was silent and most beds were empty. partly because fear of the virus is discouraging people from going to the e.r. an administrator told us they were down to seven days worth of cash. revenue from elective procedures, a primary moneymaker for the hospital, has almost disappeared. can, you know, the hospitals, the clinics

single senator from the other side of the aisle would support our effort to reduce the number of uninsured people in america dramatically. we passedse it, barely passed it by one vote in the united states senate with senator harry reid as the majority leader at the time, without any help, without any votes from the other side of the aisle. and what happened? in my state the number of uninsured was cut in half by this so-called obamacare. probably, i called obamacare, the affordable care act. since then the other side of the aisle has been resolute in its determination to repeal it. not to replace it with anything that's better. they don't even have a replacement, but to repeal it and to give up on our quest to make sure that of the american has the peace of mine of the protection of health insurance, affordable, quality health insurance. so at the end of this health crisis are we still going to the other side of the aisle argue that we shouldn't dedicate ourselves to reducing the number of uninsured? i hope they will take the time as i have to talk to administrators and hospitals about what's hap

you know, we're talking about, ari, anywhere from 11 to 13 million people are going to be added to the uninsuredcording to a recent study by harvard. we're talking 40% of people under $40,000 who will lose their jobs. we talk about the poverty going up exponentially. so we need not -- we need a transformative bill. not a moderate bill. how can we not pass to protect people with health care with. we're the only 25 of wealthiest countries that does not protect everybody. we attach health care to a job. right now we should be saying we're going to ensure everybody's health care. we're going assure a living wage. we're going to make sure you can't be evicted. we're going make sure your water can't be turned off. we're going make sure that we enact the authorization that you have the ppe and everything. what we have learned, ari, is that even before this, too many people are too comfortable with other people's death. and that has a long history in america, from the death, genocide of native people, from blame i blaming diptheria on chinese people, from blaming the swine flu on spanish people, blaming

> reporter: city leader ares are building pop-up testing sites in neighborhoods where many people are uninsured, undockmented or both. san francisco is ramping up testing in the mission, the tenderloin and the bay view neighborhood. >> in alameda county, we know that african-americanis are dig at twice the rate of any other group. >> reporter: a group that received $1 million donation from twitter ceo jack dorsey to hand out masks and hand sanitize es er to most vulnerable. >> i think people need to see others getting tested to destigmatize the test. >> okay, you work hard four years, get in the college of your dreams and covid-19 hits and you learn that your clge experience may take place at your parents' kitchen table. do you go, do you stick it out? jessica aguirre has answers for us. j jessica? >> well, high school seniors in pleasanton will be graduating virtually in two weeks and now, the possibility they may be going to college virtually. it's super frustrating and a hard pill to swallow for many people. they said they are going to go the majority of the classes online. and other college

unemployment rate right now, and that number is only projected to increase. 87 million people before the pandemic who were uninsured or under insured, and we are projected to lose another 35 million people who will lose their health care when they lose their jobs. so this is a massive problem. businesses are shuttering. we are seeing enormous rates of businesses now perm naanently shuttering. it's a dramatic failure of leadership. >> the new bill that was unveiled by the house, by the house democrats, it has a lot of money for state and local governments, which i think is quite key. 500 billion for local governments as well as health expenses, housing aid, a rescue for the u.s. postal service, which is in trouble, more money for small businesses as well as for election by mail. what's your objection? why do you think this bill is not enough? >> well, here's the thing. i think we need to be able to go back to our constituents across the country and say we are committing to them that we have their back on two things, one, that we have put forward a solution that meets the scale of this crisis that i have just outline

>> well, 27 million people are uninsured in the middle of a pandemic which is the great and sad ironythe lines you see that 70% of those folks have alternative options or sources for finding health insurance coverage. other thing you mentioned just before you and i started talking, speaker nancy pelosi will be on "morning joe" later today and the bill that she just proposed, that would allow folks to have lost their employer-based insurance to maintain that insurance through cobra, which is usually very expensive, and that would be fully subsidized. so while that's not law and it might not be law for a long time, it's something that democrats an folks on the hill are thinking through to be able to help those folks who have lost that employer-based insurance. >> that could certainly help folks during this time of crisis. thank you, as always. i will be reading axios am in a little while. you too can sign up for the newsletter at signup.axios.com. that does it for me on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> i've expressed then and again is my concern that if some a

covid, 700 people were dieing a day in this country from poverty and low wealth. 80 million people uninsured from not having insurance in the richest nation in the world. then we find out 100,000 people died from covid and thousands of them didn't have the to, according to a study from colombia, then people are dying from not having ppes, forced to work in lethal situations. and then people see a lynching on tv. they actually watch it. 9 minutes of it. they watch it. what you have here was one of those tipping points and we have to adjust that violence. we have to say, we've had a lot of violence. we had looting. trigger the trillions of dollars stolen from the people, given to corporations in a time when we should have been providing healthcare and living wages. now, i don't condone any form of violence, but i like coretta scott king when coretta scott king said you will talk about violence, denying healthcare is violence, denying union rights is violence, denying children is violence and also an apathetic attitude that doesn't say anything when these other forms of violence attacking. last

we are now facing the need to continue to provide unprecedented support to people that are filing uninsurance claims, these pandemic unemployment assistance grants, over 4.2 million people now in that system, 477,000 of those under the program. $10.6 billion now has been distributed. remarkably since sunday, $2 million has been mistreated from the ui and pua accounts. so now north of 10 billion, 10.6 , 2 billion now, just in less than a week of dollars that we are getting out as quickly as we can. i bring that up proactively, consistently because i recognize so many of you can't wait much longer, can't wait on a line for a human being to answer or your claim to be adjudicated. wait for questions, wait for that check in the mail. just know they are continuing to work as hard as they possibly can at the department and another conference call this morning with julie, sue and her team, continuing to try to do everything they can in their power to get these claims to. $2 billion since sunday. through this week. almost 11 billionnow in total without precedent. in our states history and you will see

year even before covid hit. 80 million people either uninsured or underinsured before covid hit.t all of the public health officials tell us that pandemics exploit the fissures of society and the wounds of society, the open wounds, and that america had whole lot of open wounds as it related t to systememic racim and poverty. when you brereak down n those numbers, 61% of african-americans were poor and low wealth before covid. 66 million white p people were poor andnd low wealth. you haveve extreme disparities. hits. now have the disparity among black people a and really, low income african-amemericans, andd that whites and latinos. we don't real know hohow bad it isis because the da is so spspotty. but what we do know is that the pandemic is exploiting those fissures. what our response from the beginning has been terrible, both from the white house and, dare i say, from the congressss, in pararticular, the m mcconnell congngress. he has blocked so many things. it is kind of our imagination has been limited by this trickle-down. we passed three bills up front, of the, 84%, 85% res

doing now that you're expanding to public housing and homeless shelters and other places where uninsured peoplere? >> great. and that's for having me on. so we've been operating for a couple years now in new orleans and nevada and some other cities. when the covid pandemic began, we decided that we wanted to try to do everything we could to help people that needed it the most. and that really involved bringing testing but also care into some areas that are often excluded and left behind. we found a number of projects, i think the one that has probably gotten the most press so far is the project we've done with the new york city housing authority. we worked with the mayor, congressman meeks and other elected officials and we've done now upwards of a thousand tests inside developments but provided well over a couple thousand medical visits to people at home, many of them dealing with complex conditions and having trouble accessing care. >> now, what have you found as you have began this, what have you found to be some of the things that you're encountering that you did not expect or that you have

we are talking about 11 million people being uninsured and poverty growing exponentially.et. poverty is affecting 43% of this nation. it's worse because of the pandemic. >> what we have seen is this contempt for the working poor. as you said, people think poverty is only people who are homeless. which is an extreme crisis in this country. but it's people who work in meat packing plants who make not a lot of money, or work in mcdonald's we feature in this special. people who have two and three jobs working in fast food. those people are also the poor. >> exactly. we are talking farmers. we are talking about people who are organizing across this country from appalachia to alabama. what we have seen is in the midst of this, we have bills pass and none talked about poor people from the bottom up. what we have is a group of people in our political system who claim they run the country politically but they do not care about the people who run the country. listen, we are talking about 100,000 deaths, 700 people died a day from poverty before covid. a day. poverty and low income,

people. >> the doctor says his patients are more likely to be uninsured than the national average and can no longer be ignored. >> once you know what's going on for the people who are in the front line, like us, are you going to pay attention to us? that's different. that's negligent. >> many in this community often the last to be helped have been the first to be called to work. lasarti drives the same streets his father did. >> he drove for 23 years. i would ride the buses with him, just kind of people watch. and it was very interesting, you know, as a kid. >> but the onset of the outbreak transformed his outlook. >>we were very, very scared. there's no line of defense out there. you're on the bus with ten, 15, 20, 60 people. i felt like i was a sitting duck. >> lasarti says many of his colleagues called out sick and soon he received word that one of his drivers from his very depot passed away from covid-19. >> shocking. shocking. you see people every day. and then all of a sudden somebody's not there. for a day, two days, a week goes by, and then we got word that he was sick. and he was ou

i always want to say to people if you are laid off and applying for uninsurance but it's, don't give up. keep applying for them. they are yours. we will be able to get them. away, don't get it right the benefits that you get will be retroactive. so just keep trying. you will eventually get through and get that money. theow people don't have luxury of having no money in the meantime. it's going to be very hard to get by. just keep trying. host: that last caller talked about the fact that he was considered an essential work at one point. speak to us about essential workers in this country. how many of them are there? how are they faring right now? >> there's no clear definition of essential workers. states have defined them differently. when you think about the things that we all need in order to get workers, grocery store in my mind are obviously essential work is. first responders clearly essential workers. who are doing other kinds of administered of things that we absolutely need -- administrative things that we absolutely need to keep functioning as a society. people like waste ma

single senator from the other side of the aisle would support our effort to reduce the number of uninsured people in america dramatically. we passed it, barely passed it by one vote in the united states senate with senator harry reid as the majority leader at the time. without any help, without any votes from the other side of the aisle. and what happened? in my state the number of uninsured was cut in half by this so-called obamacare. proudly i call it obamacare, the affordable care act. since then the other side of the aisle has been resolute in its determination to repeal it. not it replace it with anything that's better. they don't even have a relaysment. -- replacement. but to repeal it and to give up on our quest to make sure that every american has the peace of mind of the protection of health insurance, affordable, quality health insurance. so at the end of this health crisis, are we still going to hear the other side of the aisle argue that we shouldn't dedicate ourselves to reducing the number of uninsured? i hope they'll take the time as i have to talk to administrators and hospitals a

access bill cover more people did not address cost some people say it a little bit it really didn't so it did a pretty good job out there and the uninsured went from 30000000 down to about 15000000 people but it cost as you know a lot of money and everybody's prices that they had a prick health care went up to get the 1st 1000000 people a horrible access to insurance it's good in that part the fact it did not direct did not address cost at all couple but the fact that it was passed in a partisan way and there was no piece of legislation social legislation during my time as majority leader or when i was in the united states senate was passed in a participant way without any democrat but you put those 2 things together is why it is in the big picture history but there are some really good things and there are vulnerable populations who have access today that they did not have before. do you miss doing medicine. now you're getting close to my heart. the 1st time he. approached him it was in 1087 and at that time never thought about going into politics and the show that you did was on the heart transplant patient and the the shortage of orga

since then, additional people have filed claims for uninsurance -- unemployed insurance. ofare in the early stages barely beginning to reopen with some social distancing and partial work and some restaurants can have a quarter of their normal people with separations. what we need to be able to do is get firms back in operation, prepared to have employees return and people willing and able to go back to work. and that latter will require people, workers feeling they have low risk if they go back to work of a serious health problem and a firm's feeling there will be some demand there and they will not face difficult issues that they don't know how to deal with at this stage until there is more clarity. if that starts to resolve and we open up more, the good news is that the numbers are as bad as the great depression, 10 years after the great depression, the unemployment rate was still at 18%. people expect did the unemployment rate to peak -- expected the unemployment rate this year. i think it will be a couple of years before we get back to lower unemployment. i think most

it's your job to make sure uninsurance checks get to people. that should be an all-out natural effort. that will expire at the end of july. and making sure we have unemployment insurance going so people can keep the lights on and support their financiallies until unemployment is well under 10% is going to be just -- is going to be itself a national imperative and crisis and so i think the administration needs to stop the hemming and hawing and start showing they have an action plan to get more money and get the money they out there to the small businesses and the individuals who need it. >> gene sperling, author of "economic dignity," something we need now more than ever since this pandemic. gene, thank you very much. thanks to garrett haake. >>> coming up next -- states starting to relax restrictions. we're live in california, where some restaurants have been given the green light to reopen for dining in. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." stay with us on msnbc. r grill i, and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do even more, like trans

people get sick, what do they do? well, very high proportion of black americans, latino americans, who are either uninsured, there are illion people in america without health insurance. so what do you do? well, you can't call your doctor so maybe you go to the emergency room and if you didn't have covid before, you can get exposed there. then you're diagnosed with covid infection and what do you do? you're told to go home and self-isolate. well, you know what it takes, you had this, you know what it takes to shut yourself off from people you lived with. if you live in a crowded situation with many other family members, many of whom may be elderly or have underlying medical conditions, you aren't just one person who is sick. you are the start of a little localized outbreak in your family. those are many of the reasons. there's also, you know, a high proportion of diabetes and high blood pressure. a lot having to do with the conditions in lower-income neighborhoods where the air quality is not as good, sets you up for asthma and heart disease and lung disease. the access to fresh fruit and vegetables isn't there. and th

this year and the next, we will tap into the balance of uninsurance fund to finance such vocational skills training to cushion the impact on our people so that they will be able to get new opportunities to get reemployed. [speaking chinese] >> we also need to do our best to create new jobs. nowadays, some 100 million people are employed in new forms of business and industry, and some 200 million people are working in a gig economy. the government must continue to provide support and also, at the same time, left all unnecessary and unwarranted restrictions that prevent the development of those industries and sectors. we also need to create favorable environment for the increase of newly registered market entities. last year, that figure was 10,000 on an average day. and will continue to work hard to see that the figure stays at this level this year. >> [speaking chinese] >> we can certainly rely on the innovation and initiative of the chinese people in this respect. one may recall how much difficulty of employment the scent done use of returning to cities faced in the early days of form and opening up, and how the opening of a small t

if you are uninsured, every state of the union has the ability to provide services for people who areninsured or maybe underinsured. those are looking for types of services, you can call your state mental health agency. you can google that and they can tell you how to access those services. you also have, in almost every state, state psychological associations that have locator services on their website. if you go to those websites, it will tell you who some of those psychologists are in your community. there are also other kinds of lines like that that help you identify mental health officials in the community. host: one of the other advantages of being isolated with our friends is, sometimes, we begin to recognized that a loved one or a friend or family member does need help and they have -- the isolation has made their problems worse. what do you say to someone that you think needs to talk to a psychologist? how do you broach that conversation? what do you say to them? that ione of the things think is important is to be able to first recognize when people are in psychological distr

they diverged on healthcare, biden advocating to expand cobra to deal with under-insured and uninsured peopleanders tweeted instead of subsidizing cobra, which would be a massive give-away, medicare must be empowered to pay all of the healthcare bills until the crisis is over. the biden victory fund announced new fund raising agreement which will a allow them to toward ' coordinate with the dnc and state parties to hopefully match for them president trump's fund raising abilities as an incumbent and dramatically expand biden's fun fund raisings president trump continues to ramp up attack ads against biden. arthel: thank you very much. eric. eric: arthel, there's sad news out of hollywood to tell you about, comedy star fred willard has died. his daughter announced the news on twitter, saying that he died of natural causes. the character actor has been in hundreds of tv shows and movies during his long career. he recently starred on modern family and made appearances on everybody loves raymond and was well-known for hundreds of films that include best in show, anchorman and the 1984 classic, th

and with the unemployment rate, that means 33 million, 35 million people who are now uninsured -- and so, therefore if they can go to the doctor, they can get their diabetes medication refilled because they do have insurance now. becauseateral damage this country we do not have universal health care is an absolute tragedy. i do not think those numbers will ever be reconciled into the covid virus total deaths, but is something we need to consider. i know just dealing with my patience in dealing with the patients and on with the clinics, the clinic hours are reduced. the doctors have taken a pay cut. the staff is not working. they are being released. how's that going to affect health care in this country which, then, if we don't have healthy people they can't go because they have these comorbidities. they are not getting their medication for high blood pressure, copd, congestive heart failure. it's something we have to think about seriously right now because those numbers are going to grow exponentially in the years to come until we get a universal health care system. that's why i under

uninsurance roles. that's putting these vulnerable people in a choice that they have to either go back to work, compromise their and their family's safety or go broke. and that is an untenable choice, and it's in the spirit of what sherrod brown was harassing i think appropriately secretary mnuchin about today. >> yeah, that exchange we wanted to highlight because the trade-offs are real. and so you have to talk about them openly there is a risk factor. if you ask people to go take a trucking job without a seat belt, that's different than putting them out there with the safety precautions. and we're in that situation. i also, jared, want to get your take because you've literally done this work as we remind people inside of government and a recovery. "washington post" describing the levels of stimulus money that has been appropriated that is unspent. the treasury department has spent very little from a $500 billion fund created by that march bill to help businesses and governments, even though many of these identities have asked for immediate help. jared a very serious problem. i'll give you the basic and

the great recession where people could use their benefits and get an apresentship or something and go back to work. and i was a very strong advocate of change in the uninsuranceo make sure there could be work share, so people didn't have to necessarily separate from work to get their ui benefit. i think that's also the motivation of the ppp. more than a million small businesses with fewer than ten people have gotten loans to sort of keep the people around. and i think what that does is it gives us the possibility at least of getting this thing going really fast once the virus is behind us. and finally i can say that that outlook is really what the congressional budget office just put out where they looked at the evolution of gdp over the course of the year, and, you know, the numbers are really somber really in the first and second quarter. but really they expect a relatively quick snap back. i hope that happens, that if it does it'll be because of programs like this. >> let me ask you about state and local taxes, the exemption that was done away with for most people in the tax bill. there's been some discussion about exempting that or returning to the way th

uninsurance. we are one of 20 and we have moved it for 90,000 people so far. anything you need to move the money faster, get it out the door, do. that is what we are doing to build the system. likecuomo: it is not anything else. you have more unemployed today that since the great depression. you would have to go back to the great depression to come up with a comparable situation. that is on the facts. heard, we have administered three times more than the state put out all of last year in six weeks. i old enough to have watched the whole merry-go-round go around. we will sit in a room like this in three weeks and you will say, my paper has to ask why did john smith, who had money in the bank, why did he get unemployment benefits from the state when he did not really deserve unemployment benefits, and why didn't you check to make eligible with was before you gave him taxpayer money? that will be a fair question. we will say we were in a scramble to move as quickly as possible. then you say you were supposed to determine eligibility of a person and you let this p

then, course, as we have gotten more people that have been dislocate, displaced on to the uninsurance program, you see a smalr and smaller number filing each week, but it's important to stay focused on that top-line number annot get too, too excited about the declining number of unemployment insurance clas. if you even look beyond unemployment insurance, there are countless peoplethousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people who havfe let the workforce all together because they're not eligible for unemployment insurance. this is the single biggest dislocation we've had in our economy in our recorded hitory. >> woodruff: you have made lower end of the income scale,e and this came out in a federal reserve aeport, have beent least twice as likely to be thrown off the rolls, off the worker rollsas anybody else. and in other words, to be suffering in this pandemic. why is that? what does thatrean in te of our ability to get back to where we want to be? >> well, think about -- let's put some faceso the people. this is one of those crises that is being borne most heffley by the people