rick perry was the perfect candidate on paper. if real life, rick perry was a disaster. what has been fascinating to watch since then is that governor rick perry has taken one campaign for president in 2012. he clearly wants to run again if 2016. he looks back and surveys that landscape with the oops and making out with the syrup and monto mayored on the revolution was not in the 1500s and you have to be 21 to vote after the election is and not rnling where the other war is and woodrow wilson was a president a decade ago, he looks back as his live performance and has apparently decided none of that was the problem. he apparently decided this was the one thing for him that actually was a problem. >> how do you feel being criticized by a number of these other candidates on the stage for being too soft on immigration, sir? >> i fell pretty normal getting criticized by these folks, but the fact of the matter is this, there is nobody on the stage who has spent more time working on border security than i have, but if you say that we should not educate children that have come i

rick perry on paper was perfect. he was definitely going to be president of the republican nominee for president. the week he announced gallup did a nationwide poll of republican voters and republican-leaning voters and picked rick perry as their nominee by a mile. the number of republican and republican-leading voters who picked rick perry as their preferred nominee for president was 29%. and that may not sound like much, 29%, but there were a million people in the republican field at that point, and with that 29%, governor perry was first by a mile. the next closest contender was mitt romney who was 12 points behind rick perry. the week that rick perry announced. rick perry was going to be the nominee, and he was probably going to get elected president. on paper, he was perfect. and then the campaign started. the first rumblings that something might be wrong were sort of subtle, frankly. it was the first few major debates. nothing went terribly wrong for rick perry at his first four presidential debates, but it was

that rick perry that high, out of touch rick perry is gone. after two years of agonizing reappraisal the governor has completely reinvented himself with a pair of glasses. he can't lose now i mean those make him look smarter, more serious, and-- (cheers and applause) -- but perry, oops-- but perry, perry has also made a more troubling change, to cure his aching back so he can dial back the painkillers, perry recently announced he had given up on cowboy boots. >> yeah, oh yeah, yeah. yes, you were mildly shocked. i could tell. you heard right, the governor of texas swearing off cowboy boots. that's like the governor of colorado turning his bong back into an apple. even worse, even worse, perry spurned his spurs for plain black loafers, nice shoes, dad. even worse, he's pairing those loafers with 2014's least appealing fashion accessory, barack obama. and i'm not the only one who is enraged, folks, so is texas land commissioner jerry paterson who complained i lament the fact that our governor can now pass for a west coast metrosexual. oh, oh, oh

he having a meeting with rick perry and other officials.

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so hopefully rick perry has learned his lessons on immigration. we know he has his own presidential aspirations again. >> richard, i thought it was a defendant move by the president to say to rick perry, get the texas legislation to vote on this. virtually all of the spending we're talking about that the president wants would be in texas. that was the kind of thing that congressional delegationed used to get behind. >> they don't buy the argument that the president is not going to enforce any of the border patrols that they all want so much. so from a political point of view, whether it's green dollars to your state or making your own base happy, it would be much more sensible for rick perry to get behind this and for the texas republican delegation to get behind this. you have a very peculiar political dynamic about this president and immigration, which means all common sense is thrown out of the window, including humanitarian feelings as well. that's not healthy for anyone, especially for the people who put their kids at risk. >> to stick with t

i'm not sure perry wants him to get away with that. >> if i were rick perry, i would be careful about getting in the fight as we can see with rand paul. paul has been thinking it through for decades. partly because he's the son of another libertarian, ron paul. rand paul is serious about this stuff. i would say he's pretty committed, pretty smart and the other thing is he's where are the american people are now. >> where are the republican leaderers like that? >> they are locked into the past. that's basically it. it worked for them for a generation and a half. >> smart move. >> it goes to the late 60s and early 70s against george mcgovern and successive democrats as weak on defense. they played it over and over again even though reagan was different. don't forget, the polls show most of the american people think the iraq war was a mistake. that we pasted money -- >> do the republican money men think that? >> i think increasingly they may. don't forget hillary clinton who is more conservative in many ways and more of a hawk than rand paul has also now said finally she thinks she made

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and then on the meeting with governor perry, valerie jarrett in her letter -- and by the way, why was this letter, this invitation coming from valerie jarrett? >> well, as you know, valerie has spent a lot of time maintaining our relationships here in the white house with governors across the country, so she was the one who responded -- >> thank you for your concern about the urgent humanitarian concern in the rio grande valley. obviously, the concern governor perry has been expressing has been some very harsh criticism of this president and even suggesting last week that there could even be a conspiracy, that somehow the president and this administration was in on the flow of children over the borders. either ineptitude or something else. and he said -- so i'm just wondering what exactly do you, i mean, what's the president's message going to be to governor perry? governor perry has blamed this problem directly on the president and even suggested that the president wanted to see this. >> i think that despite all of the differences that exist when

>> i think rick perry. >> the president?> look where rick perry started. [ talking over one another ] >> i'm talking about the visible exchange that we just had on television. >> rick perry for you. >> he fumbled all over himself in the public sphere three years ago. he's now using this to come out -- >> does rick perry look presidential to you? yes, he's very shrewd and capable. i'm not saying i'm supporting him but -- >> a star is born. don't forget "the mclaughlin group" has its own website, and you can watch this program on the web. could anything be easier or more enriching? >> i can't think of anything. >> when we come back, israeli and palestinian hostilities heat up. temperature >>> more angst for john kerry. at the start of this tenure at secretary of state, john kerry made re in investigate racial of the stalled peace talks about israeli and the palestinian authority a top priority. here's what kerry said on july 30, 2013, a year ago. the parties have agreed here today that all of the final status issues, all of th

>> well, look where rick perry started. >> rick perry out and president obama. >> i'm talking about theisible exchange we just had on television. >> rick perry for you. >> he is all over himself in the public's fear three years ago, he is now using this to come out. >> rick perry look presidential to you? >> yes, he is, and he is very capable and he is not to be under estimated. i'm not saying i'm supporting him as a candidate, but he is terrific. >> a star is born. don't forget the mclaughlin group has its own website and you can watch this program on the web at any time from anywhere in the world at mclaughlin.com. could anything be easier or more enriching? >> i can't think of anything. >> issue two, more angst for john kerry. >> at the start of his tenure as secretary of state, john kerry made reenvying ration of the peace talks between the state of israel and the palestinian authority a top priority. here's what secretary kerry said on july 30, 2013, one year ago. quote, the parties have agreed here today that all of the final status issues, all of the core issues, and all other is

but rick perry blew it. first when it was revealed that his family's hunting camp had a name which my career will not allow me to say on tv. so hermann cain. >> -- hater. >> stephen: and that damning revelation led his opponents to say -- >> ah, schuk a ducky. classic. of course, folks, what really sank rick perry was a debate gaffe that no one can forget except him. >> it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education and the-- the was's the third one there -- >> you can't name the third

the president taking up rick perry on this meeting so we're waiting word from rick perry's office if or not they'll accept that or be able to arrange that meeting time in their schedules. we'll have to see how that plays out today. >> do you think, ed, if the governor accepts this meeting, and rick perry and president obama get together and talk, what are the chances that something is really accomplished? >> well you know, i think both sides will bring in intense partisanship to this meeting. you can already tell in the letters that rick perry and the white house have ex-changed over this meeting already that have been released here in the last 12 hours or so, so you'll probably see a lot more of that in the obama administration highlighting its efforts to coordinate with central american countries to help solve the crisis, but rick perry is saying what they need is more security along the border and a better effort to seal off that border, to solve this crisis, so you definitely have two different camps coming to this in many different ways. >> all right, ed lavandera, thank you so

it also invites perry to a meeting with a group of faith leaders in dallas. president obama will be in texas tomorrow for a series of fund-raisers. earlier, perry refused to greet the president at the airport, a somewhat customary gesture saying it would be, in his words "nothing more than a tarmac handshake that doesn't address immigration." president obama still has no plans to visit the u.s./mexico border during his visit. that's a decision criticized by lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. >> i hope this doesn't become the katrina moment for president obama saying that he doesn't need to come to the border. he should come down. >> i want to bring now cnn white house correspondent, senior white house correspondent jim acosta. jim, there's a letter to governor perry that the obama administration sent to him. it also addresses some concerns about specific policies that are in place to fight what we're seeing this flood of

it's interesting if you look at the way the sort of texas republican party moved away from rick perryck perry when he entered the 2012 race remembered the rap on him he was a crazy anti-washington tea party right winger but yet a moderate position on immigration, the texas republican party had a moderate position on immigration but this year we have seen the new lieutenant governor nominee in texas and all the way down the slate of the republicans who are now in power in texas are much more hard line. the party moved way to the right and that's going back to the convention part of the reason that the national republican party does not now want to be associated with the brand of the texas gop is because they have now taken this very hard stand on immigration. i think rick perry has made a smart political tunistic move on this particular issue because there's such a vacuum. nobody wants to stand next to the pictures coming out of the border, not president obama and really not any republicans and so this is an issue that rick perry can own and try to get himself taken seriously >> a lot

>> rick perry. >> he's winning. >> the president. >> look where rick perry started, though. >> out andr president obama -- >> the visible exchange that was just -- we just had on television. >> rick perry for you. >> fall all over himself in the public's fear three years ago, he's now using this to come out and he's -- >> rick perry look presidential to you? >> yes, he is, and very skrud and very capable. he's not to be underestimated. >> a star is born. >> don't forget the mclaughlin group has its own website. and earlier programs on the web. at any time from anywhere in the world, the mclaughlin.com. could anything be easier or more enriching? >> i can't think of anything. >> more angst for john kerry. >> at the start of his tenure at secretary of state, john kerry made reinvig ration of the peace talks between the israel -- a top priority. here's what secretary said on july 30, 2013, one year ago. >> quote. the parties have agreed here today that all of the final issues, all of the core issue, and all other issues are all on the table for negotiation. and they are on the table with

governor paul says perry is dead wrong. perry says in turn that senator paul seems curiously blind. seems to me they're both right. >> it's interesting because in some ways each of them has i think an important point to make. but it also striekz strikes me, we need a national debate about what's happened since 9/11. i personally believe the strategies in both parties have failed. i think the world is getting more dangerous. just look at wolf in jerusalem and then look at what's happened with isis, what the attorney general said over the weekend, he stays awake at night worrying about attacks in isiss. look at the crimea. i think it's good to have somebody serious starting a real debate. compare that to hillary clinton's three weeks of not really rich, i'm sort of rich, i'm actually poor. i can't explain how i couldn't get a mortgage. i like what the republicans are doing better even if it mines we're arguing in the cross fire. preside let me start by asking you this, meera. in 2008 there was a genuine debate, hillary on one side, brach on the other. there was real substance. it was

to governor perry you had that. how do you react? sort of government being paralyzed and not being able to fix this? >> the steps that this government announced not just today but over the last week or so are indicative of our proactive approach. the president has directed the resources be moved from the interior to the border region to address both the backlog and the and x of illegal migration we are seeking more resources. that we prioritize more recent border crossers. we are seeking, as we have been discussing, greater authority that the secretary of homeland security could use to remove those individuals that don't have a legal basis for remaining in the country. that is indicative of the aggressive approach that this administration is taking to address this problem. the u.n. high commissioner for refugees is pushing for the administration to consider adults and kids to be refugees, and could give them political asylum. is that being considered here? is that on the table that these adults and children would be

governor perry is still the governor.hey have to meet and talk about it and it's happening in an unorthodox and interesting way. >> excellent insight there. with the amount of obstruction congress has created, how can they call on obama to halt action at the border? >> this is what is topsy-turvy, the whole idea that the borders are not secure, how could we effectively have essentially captured 52,000 children if our borders weren't secure? how could this president, president obama be the so-called deporter in chief, president who deported more undocumented immigrants than any other president in recent memory, how could he be that and not be someone enforcing the laws or lawless. that's absurd. what we have is political theater or political dramatics and not a lot of political reality here. the reality is, this is a humanitarian crisis. if you want to understand really where the crisis comes from, you have to go back into the history, not too long ago of trade agreements like the central america free trade disagreement wh

perry couldn't be more stuck in the past.doubling down on formulas that haven't worked, parroting rhetoric that doesn't make sense and reinforcing petulant attitudes that have cost our nation a great deal." here's what the former vice president just had to say. >> i did express the view that i think isolationism is crazy. anybody who went through 9/11 who thinks we can retreat behind our oceans and will be safe and secure is -- i'm sorry, but they're out to lunch. >> chris, good afternoon to you. welcome. what are we seeing here, do you think? >> we're seeing 2016. it is happening already. rand paul is very much running for president. i'd say you have to call him at least the reputed front-runner for the organization, he has the biggest, the best organization so far. he's raising the dough. visiting the places. rick perry didn't do so hot the last time he ran for president but is making a lot of noise of another run after his term at governor ends. it would look like what rick perry tried to do is take a shot at the front-run

you interviewed rick perry. they didn't see this coming? so hot about it that the white house sent someone to see him later on the hill. he said he should be going to the border. why have they got their feet in cement? >> andrea, i think you raise a really good point. it's clear this white house, as you know watching them as closely as i do, can be stubborn about things like this and didn't want to pressed into the situation by politics. they say the focus, obviously, should be on problem solving. i was reaching out to white house aides this morning. they said there would be no surprise last-minute visit today even as governor perry as we speak right now is on the rio grande getting a boat tour to really try to draw yet more attention to this in the final hours of the president's visit here. but as the president himself said, it's not about theater. it is about problem solving. and they reiterate that people who need to be there, people like jeh johnson, secretary of homeland security, will be there later this very week for the sixth time s

the president met with texas governor rick perry on wednesday. perry raised concerns and gave suggestions about how to handle the influx of unaccompanied minors entering the country. perry spoke with nbc's peter alexander about some of those suggestions. >> the president can send a message without even going to congress. he can pick up the phone to the dod and have 1,000 national guard troops temporarily assigned to the border, and the message gets sent to central america very quickly. >> i am joined now by nbc's tracie potts in washington, d.c. good morning to you, tracie. so, are any of governor perry's suggestions actually being put into action? >> reporter: well, the president claims that they are, that some of them are already part of that emergency request that he's got sitting here on capitol hill. the two finally did get to sit down, and from what we're hearing, it sounds like they were pretty frank about their disagreements on how to handle this crisis at the border. president obama's in austin today raising money for democrats, speaking

governor perry agreeing to meet with the president here. on top of that, they had a much friendlier greeting on the tarmac in dallas. i'm told they had a positive conversation on marine one, going from one airport to another, then going behind closed doors with faith leaders, trying to talk their problems out. the president insisted he still will not go to the border. even as he continues to fund raise on this trip in texas. he says that would just be political theater going down to the border, he doesn't think he should just engage in photo ops. he wants republicans to meet him halfway on a solution. republicans on capitol hill say the real problem is the president has not gotten his hands dirty, has not gotten on top of this crisis. listen. >> this isn't theater. this is a problem. i'm not interested in photo ops. i'm interested in solving a problem. >> i doubt the governor will get in a word because the president will probably just deliver another lecture. he's pretty good at that. but that's 500 miles from where the problem is. how can

no one shows that more than governor rick perry. today governor perry is visiting the u.s.re is a humanitarian crisis. more than 52,000 unaccompanied children crossed the border since october. president obama discussed the issue last night saying he enjoyed the meeting and made the point they basically agree on the border crisis but he stressed the need to work across the aisle. >> the challenge is, is congress prepared to act to put the resources in place to get this done. another way of saying it is are folks more interest had had in politics or solving the problem? if they are interested in solving the problem then this can be solved. if the preference is for politics, then it won't be solved. hey mom. yeah? we got allstate, right? uh-huh. yes! well, i found this new thing... called allstate quickfoto claim. it's an app. you understand that? just take photos of the damage with your phone and upload them to allstate. really? so you get a quicker estimate, quicker payment, quicker back to normal. i just did it. but maybe you can find an app that will help you explain this

even so, the rick perry of 2011 never went as far as rick perry has gone these days on immigration or the obama administration. here is what he said last month about the current crisis.

he is going to china later this year. >> i covered perry. one of the problems he got out there, he got into the late race and he wasn't prepared politically. he can't have any organization. he had no ground game in these key states. are they going to work on that? >> they are. he hasn't officially said whether he is going to run, but is preparing on that level, too, which is critically important. he has been meeting with donors that he needed to talk to to finance any presidential run. when it comes to the run, he's been cultivating key sources going to south carolina, iowa. he is going to go to new hampshire next month, as well. i talked to key republican in new hampshire who has been working with him, setting up meetings with really important people. the thing he didn't do last time around. a couple of weeks ago he had a group of new hampshire republicans down to the governor's mansion to wine and dine. he's working really hard to correct that important problem from four years ago. >> dana bash, thank you so much. >>> a u.s. marine back fr

perry has superlative on that. even on this, i think he's kind of developed into a bit of con speartorial language lately, but i think he's quite frustrated. you can talk about border security. >> last question to you, james. couldn't rick perry just call out the national guard if he wanted to? i mean, he is the commander in chief of the texas national guard. all of this talk about trying to get president obama to do it, which would require congress' consent, has there been any talk from the governor's office of himself trying to do that? >> well, there are some national guard troops down here now. i think about 100 of them that help out the border patrol. i think the way that works, that the governor would have to declare a disaster to get the guard down here to deploy them. or the president could do the same thing and say it's an emergency and we need them down here. i think that this is going to happen. i think that the governor is eventually going to say the president is not acting, and we're going to take cont

>> he's got a perry problem and a republican problem.ly, i think yesterday's announcement was a sweet spot where he dealt with both of them on political terms. the problem was last time he ran for president some on the far right, the tea party thought he was much too soft on immigration. so he was able to suggest that now i want to toughen up the border. it's a good thing to project. the particular republican problem is -- and i think perry threaded the needle well. on the one hand they want to look tough on the border but they don't want to look mean in a way. by saying i will put a bunch of military on the border, he's lifting himself to the level of the president saying, i look tough. i'm not here to hurt the children. i thought it was a very smart political -- >> i disagree. it's part of the problem we have had with immigration policy. it's all pretense. we hire people illegally because they are cheap and desperate. at the same time we put people on the border to pretend we'll stop them. meantime we have a magnet of illegal low payin

i think it's -- you know, look, rick perry is the governor. and frankly a dope about this issue, totally unhelpful suggesting darkly that there's a conspiracy that barack obama is behind. children are fleeing violence in central america. taken a very long time to deport them because of a law that president bush signed back when he was president. that law was designed to try to protect people who are flying violence and to protect their rights, and so president obama here is simply caught trying to obey a law that was passed before he became president. but that line about faith leaders i think is most important. if he's going to pick rick perry's brain, that's the definition of slim pickings. >> paul. >> there's a faith leader we ought to be talking about, moork seit, been to the region, honduras and guatemala, testified before the congress. read his testimony and actually knows what's going on and he explains that it's these children are like children trapped in a burning building and, of course, they are going to leap and come to anything tha

and perry was named police officer of the year for his actions. since the incident, the tallahassee police department uses officer perry's dash cam footage as a training tool for new recruits. >> opens fire with both hands. chuck's response? is to immediately disengage and get distance. >> time to plan on what to do is not once the guy's shooting at you. you need to figure this out before he's shooting at you and you need to put some plan in action. don't just sit there. move. do something. >> i'm here today, and so i'm happy. it was a good day. when i saw the video for the first time, it had captured everything that these two guys had done. and it brought back, one, a lot of anger that they were trying to kill a cop. and then, two, it also brought back a lot of the memories and the details. that i had not recorded in my mind. you've got a job to do, and so these guys, if we don't stop them, there's nobody else out there to do it. that's what we do. >> you're going to die if you move. don't move! >>> coming up -- a getaway attempt gone horribly wr

>> i think the interesting figure here is rick perry. hate to say it, but i think if the isolationism were real, rick perry would be pedaling it. >> why do you say that? >> political ambitions has excuses. >> if the real sentiment of the american people were isolationi isolationists, he would be playing to it? >> yes. perry is a politician. i think if he thought it was real he'd be doing it. as far as rand paul goes, this is a guy who is basically a rookie running for the presidency of the united states. he has to differentiate himself. if you look at his campaign, he's been sort of putting together his own coalition of the saens. it's techies, urban sophisticates, isolationists, a program for minorities now. he's running his own campaign. the isolationist strain is part of that. but i do not think it reflects sentiment inside the republican party. >> who do you think has the better pulse on the mood within the republican party? >> i think i agree with dan, that rick perry reflects more the mainstream view in the republican party and pro

meeting with perry is a compromise of sorts. following public sparring. including the president's spokesman mocking the governor's message from the white house podium. >> the truth is it's hard to take seriously governor perry's concerns. >> reporter: perry has been so outspoken against the immigration policies, he even floated conspiracy theories. >> i have to believe that when you do not respond in any way, that you are either inept or you have some al tier your motive of which you are functioning from. >> reporter: he never expanded on what that obama al tier your motive would be. with all eyes focussed on his state, perry is seeing the political stars align, taking on the president on an issue, immigration that sources close to perry tell cnn caused him the most political damage during his last run for president. >> i don't think you have a heart. >> reporter: defending state funded tuition for illegal imgraduates turned off gop primary voters, and allowed the nominee to take a devastating shot at perry. >> you say you have the experience, it's a bit

i was struck about his words about perry. quite an olive branch to perry. perry had four concerns. he ticked off perry's concerns. he said i agree with them and i want it work with governor perry. boy, chris, did he look tired and worn down, too. you can see he is really worried about this situation, i think. and worried that congress isn't going to do anything and -- >> let's get to the moral issue here. i expect both of you, and michael, start with this. you can't just walk into the country. you can't have your parent dump you with a coyote no matter how much money you spend. they will send them back, i apparently which he will do. they will send them back to guatemala, el salvador and honduras. he says over years they will fix the countries up. but he is admitting his quandary. morally he says they are facing hell back there. you say he looks tired. i think he looks worse than that. he looks conflicted. >> he is conflicted. and he is between a moral and political rock and hard place, i guess. only political thing he can really do, given the nature of his opposition, given what i

>> reporter: they definitely wanted to respond to rick perry. that letter from the texas governor came to president obama's desk late yesterday, essentially inviting him to a meeting on this border crisis, saying as you mentioned a few moments ago, a meeting on the tarmac in austin just wasn't going to cut it. the white house very quickly responded, this letter from valerie jarrett saying to rick perry that hey, if you want to meet, we're willing to do that except they want to do this in dallas. just to give you a sense as to what the president is going to be doing in dallas, in addition to hosting a fund-raiser, he will meet with faith leaders and local elected officials who are looking at plans to convert school buildings to house some unaccompanied minors and other migrants who have been crossing the border in recent months from central america. that is a key issue not only along the border but also in some of these other cities as some of those migrants are heading north. the president was already planning to have that meeting. the meeting w

the white house responded to greet perry and his original plan was to go to fundraiser but perry declined saying a tarmac hand shake wouldn't cut it. so they extended an invitation for a round table with civic and religious leaders and perry accepted. >> we thought it would make sense to extend the invitation to perry and talk about this in a constructive manner. we are looking forward to governor perry participating. >> the president will be in austin tomorrow with more fundraising. no border visit has been added to the schedule. >> it will be interesting what perry says after the meeting. we wanted something of substance to discuss and we will talk about that. the question of where everyone is being housed and there is opposition in the town you are in to do that. >> reporter: a lot of people have been bused and taken to places around the country. leaders in dallas countcounty announced they would be taking in some 2, 000 of these people. local officials say the feds will be paying for it and it seems this notion isn't sitting well with some folks. >> bringing illegals to dallas doesn't

this is rick perry.ve the president a letter on the tarmac saying please come do something. here is jan brewer, jan brewer, in 2010, saying, you know look, we need your attention. please come to the border to see what is going on here. the administration's answer, bernard, was always, we have a safer, stronger border now than ever if that is the case how are all these people getting in. >> the issue is big than border security. the reason for there is terrible violence, economic poverty and human traffickers are spreading lies and misinformation to sail into the united states. the administration needs to do three things. number one we need to give the president authority as he has with immigrants from mexico to return undocumented immigrants immediately. i don't think that we should be treating children from guatemala or honduras or el salavador any different than mexico, number one. he number two, he does need money to speed up the legal process for people already here. third, perhaps more importantly w

>> because you're a genius and you're tyler perry, that's why he is tyler perry and we're not.his is an expression that's been around since the 1900s. but what trademark does is you can use it in a title, in a movie, in a tv show. look at kellogg's. they trademarked it's great or they're great. they also have a trademark on mothers. that doesn't mean i can't say mother but if i try to sell a product by using that expression or that word, then i'm in trouble. and that's what he's doing. he's going to sell a tv show, promote something that has that title in it. >> michael, does this give him the right to go after people who are wearing the bracelets or creating the bracelets. not individuals but if he wants to start this new franchise wwjd, go after people who aren't using it the way he approves of? >> i suppose he could 2 after them. why would he. he is a brilliant marketer, he understands perfectly what he's doing right now. witness we're here today. the first kickoff move is a public relations coo. so i think the question is as we've said. what is he going to do that where wil

rick perry going out on this -- >> this is a great opportunity for rick perry.landed right on his lap. it's on the border. he's got the right position now. in the 2012 campaign he was the most pro immigrant and romney attacked him. here he can show himself doing something where voters in iowa are very anti-immigration reform. this is a great step for him to start his potential 2016 campaign. >> we talked about it a few weeks ago, rick perry is getting his groove back. >> to a degree. we have a very pregnant perry pause right there. he really is lucky in terms of timing. i think we'll watch this issue over the next couple of months, especially during a congressional recess where a lot of members go back home and hear from their constituents, especially some in the southwestern states. that's going to determine the next couple of weeks if this is going to reach the fervor of the health care 2010 res so or every other congressional recess. >> what's fascinating to watch is martin o'malley trying to outhumane the rest of the democratic field and then perry and ted c

>> governor perry. >> why didn't he call him out?'re already spending 1.3 million to do the federal government's job. >> there's never been an occasion when the governor called out the national guard and washington didn't pay. she didn't whine about president bush she called outed guard and the feds reimbursed her. >> the second thing that governor perry said is the reason we have this is because the president does not enforce the laws on the book. he basically sent a signal to latin america, come north and we'll leave you alone and hi magnificent hair, a little slack, he sent to the president in 2012, talking about, as your administration is fully aware there's a surge of unaccompanied illegal minors entering the united states asking for help. he was ignored. doesn't he have a legitimate gripe, a legitimate frustration here with the administration? >> you know actually what i believe the president suggested is that he talked to his colleagues from texas -- no offense, representative flores -- >> i'm not offended. >> to do something,

rick perry said to the president, he should act without congressional approval.ht politically was dangerous for rick perry to say, as you know, the congress thinks that the president acts with an imperial manner anyway. >> he could propose a change in the law. he said he would. >> he proposed comprehensive immigration reform. >> in fact, there are two efforts in congress to reform the 2008 law that charles alluded to. in fact, that's likely to be attached to the passage of the supplemental. >> where is the president on that? >> he said last night in fact he would support that. >> why isn't it in the package then? >> well, that's a good question. but congressional republicans are going to take care of that for him. >> coming up next, one e-mail that is not missing is causing quite a stir for the irs. our cheese is going thin in a big way. with our ultra thin slices, the same natural sargento cheese you love, just thinner and just 45 calories a slice. sargento ultra thin slices in three new varieties. t! [bell rings] this...is jane. her long day on set starts with

should rick perry say yes?ile meeting on this very important issue, immigration, tomorrow in dallas? >> well, i spoke with someone in the governor's office a short time ago and the bottom line is this. they say that governor perry has been making the point that this is a national crisis for quite some time and wanted the president to see it first-hand and the fact that his invitation for the president to go see it face-to-face on the border, the fact that that was turned down, he's a little frustrated by that but at the end of the day, he's the governor of his state and he wants what's best for his state. i think between now and the time the president leaves texas, they will have some kind of conversation because at the end of the day, governor perry wants what's best for his state and certainly, for our country. >> we talked a little about this yesterday. i think it's stupefying some people as to why the president isn't going to the border. he's getting heat from republicans and from those in his own party. wh