texas governor and future josh brolin role rick perry. and i am not the only one who is sporting a texas long horn. >> the new infatuation is rick perry, governor of texas. i'm very interested in rick perry. >> who's your dream candidate to get into the race? >> i would love for rick perry to get into it. >> this man needs to be president. >> stephen: (as last speaker) i complete... ahem. i completely agree. this man needs to be president. we haven't had a texas governor in the white house for almost three years! think of all the uncleared brush we've built up! (laughter) and, folks, perry may be going for it because on august 6 he is holding a rally called "the response." >> this is governor rick perry and i'm inviting you to join your fellow americans in a day of prayer and fasting on behalf of our nation. with the economy in trouble, communities in crisis, and people adrift in a sea of moral relativism, we need god's help. i sincerely hope you'll join me in houston on august 6 and take your place in reliance stadium with praying people

so rick perry, these are the people who rick perry is trying to crawl out of bed with. right now, in time for him to run for president. not as a rick santorum candidate, sort of a religious right also ran. but as a real contender. do you think he has a chance to be a real contender? >> well, i do think he has a chance to be a real contender because he has been governor of texas for years and years, and it's a big state. it's got lots of money. the state hasn't completely crumbled, since he's been governor. that's quite a base to run from. and as a certain george w. bush proved a few years ago. so i think he immediately -- plus, you know, what do republicans think about the field they have right now? they're not thrilled. >> with the george w. bush reference you just made, i have to ask you, we talked a couple of nights on the show about douglas fife, famously denounced by lawrence wilkerson, i think he said seldom in my life have i met a dumber man. all these people who served in the bush administration blame douglas fife for everything. rick perry called douglas fife a

who rick perry is.when candidates are thinking about running we tend to look at the highlights of their records. if you were sitting here today, what would his greatest liability be? if a critic gets traction in the republican primary, how is a critic going to come after ric perry. >> well, i think i would come after perry i would say what about this $23 billion deficit, plus, in texas. he likes to tout the economic miracle but there's quite a few people that disagree substantially with that. and there's issues of education and health care. >> if i were a democrat, i would try to -- his claim to fame for republicans is that half of the jobs created in this recovery have been in texas. the democrats need to go after that. if i was a republican, i would go after the hpv vaccine fiasco where he tried to get 12-year-old girls to take mandatory hpv vaccines and were some issues with that. >> i'll watch this as it plays out. >> mimi and eric, thanks for being here. >>> coming up a 360 follow on the controvers

basically governor perry is talking tough religion perry has walked into some radical churches such as john haggis and claims we should not elect pagans anymore like obama and perry also wants to establish a christian nation. does that sound familiar to you remember the last man from texas claim he was called yeah that was george bush over no matter all the christian knees perry's record isn't all sweetness and light texas has high job growth rate but it has some of the lowest high school graduation rates and the highest poverty rates in the country in other words this one folks rick perry wants you to move to texas and get a job that pays you peanuts and he doesn't want you to believe he doesn't want to believe you should be educated in the competitive way that helps americans as a whole in other words perry talks with two tongues he's a modern day wolf in sheep's clothing rick perry is one that jesus would call a viper affair a c. one speaks words with little action backing it up you see folks perry may well be a good christian guy but the faith claims is near religion that he uses f

as you know, perry is hosting a extravaganza in texas next weekend. the official endorsers include a pastor who says that talk show host oprah winfrey is the harbinger of the anti-christ, another pastor who said god september hitler to hunt the jews, another who claims softness in the japanese stock market as a result of the emperor of japan having sex with demons of the all those pastors have been highlighted on the website of the stadium prayer event as event endorsers. names there, pictures there, you get information about them. late last night we noticed something about that, the menu at the top of rick perry's website no longer has a link to all of the events endorsers that it has been endorsing all this time. after growing attention, the endorser link has been removed, erased, scrubbed unless you speak spanish. at the spanish version of the prayer website, the endosantes still exist. we contacted the rick perry folks to see what was going on, they said the endorsers were not removed from the english website, they were not removed, they were just

who rick perry is.tes are thinking about running we tend to look at the highlights of their records. if you were sitting here today, what would his greatest liability be? if a critic gets traction in the republican primary, how is a critic going to come after rick perry. >> well, i think i would come after perry i would say what about this $23 billion deficit, plus, in texas. he likes to tout the economic miracle but there's quite a few people that disagree substantially with that. and there's issues of education and health care. >> if i were a democrat, i would try to -- his claim to fame for republicans is that half of the jobs created in this recovery have been in texas. the democrats need to go after that. if i was a republican, i would go after the hpv vaccine fiasco where he tried to get 12-year-old girls to take mandatory hpv vaccines and were some issues with that. >> i'll watch this as it plays out. >> mimi and eric, thanks for being here. >>> coming up a 360 follow on the controversial law enf

let me say this about rick perry.ave going for him more than anything, first of all, he has executive experience. now the longest serving governor. he has the tea party appeal. appeal to social conservatives. he also has establishment appeal. aside from the bush foengs who don't like him. set one guy who brings it all together. nobody else brings it together like that. that's why rick perry las a real shot despite the fact that karl rove -- >> he is unique. set only one i think is running for president of a union. thanks for a great panel discussion. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> ahead, is there an orchestrated campaign to ban affirmative action in america? our next guest, ward connolly, is leading person in that charge. but what does the right wing and their money have do with that? that's next. ♪ [ male announcer ] what is the future of fuel? the debate is over. ♪ lexus hybrid drive technology is designed to optimize any fuel source on the planet. even those we don't use yet. because when you pursue perfection, you do

>> fair to say that rick perry is truly a special interest governor.he's serving, it's not we the people of texas. you can trace it. look at the hpv vaccine, he passed an order that would mandate an hpv vaccine for all 6th grade girls in texas, and he did it for $6,000 campaign check from the drug company, merk. the lobbyist turned around, worked for rick perry at one time, and then got the trans-texas corridor rights granted to his former employer. the revolving door is clear on a bunch of issues, not just on the trans-texas corridor, that just is one that started our grass roots group. he's got more corporate welfare slush funds than i can counted. i mean, we have all kinds of money to increase perry's corporate slush funds, but not enough money to fund government, as you were talking about in our -- in your opening. our budget was balanced on accounting tricks. last biennium's budget was balanced on stimulus money, so what does that tell you? >> terri hall, thanks so much for being my guest tonight, appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. >>> earlier today

actually, that was not from judge perry. that was the call for the double jeopardy, basically making the argument against the consecutive serving of those different sentences. what did you think about that? did judge perry make the right decision in this? >> absolutely. i would have agreed with the defense, had all those lies been consecutive in the same interview with the police officer where she just told one lie and then another and then another. it would all be the same act and as a result, it would not warrant separate counts. however, in the same day, she had separate interviews with the police. in each of those interviews, she would tell a lie, the police would run out to act on it, come back and question her about it, she would tell them another lie. those were all separate acts and those all account for separate charges against her, so judge perry i believe made the right decision. >> not agreeing with that plea from the defense here. also, there's the opportunity as you know, being a judge yourself, that we will of

why perry? >> well, perry's good because out of -- since 2009, 37% of all the new jobs created nationwide have been in the state of texas. so that's pretty darn good. he's got a very good record. in terms of the christian leaders liking him, that certainly helps him. but my sense, my opinion is that the christian conservative vote could very easily be split amongst several candidates in the field. the top three, in fact, which is a good thing. i think people care about the economy, obviously for moral reasons and family reasons that people want jobs. they want everybody to be able to work and support their family. so there's something about perry that can appeal to christian conserve pifati conservatives, tea partiers and that's the big uniting issue and perry can be strong on that. that's why a perry candidacy would be horrific for obama. >> i disagree here, though. at the end of the day, though -- >> shocking. >> when it comes down to it, i don't think perry's right for the republican ticket.

but perry likes to create fireworks.a was that when i passeded, as all pop stars pass, i don't want to be buried because i think that's boring. i would like to see put into a fireworks and then shot across this ocean. >> reporter: out up over there. >> out up over the santa barbara ocean as my one last hurrah. >> reporter: of course most fireworks eventually fizzle out. but katy perry's incendiary career shows no sign of losing its spark. >> osgood: next just in time for independence day, the british are coming. and although you've been on an antidepressant for at least six weeks, you're frustrated that your depressive symptoms are still with you. seroquel xr, when added to an antidepressant, is approved for the treatment of major depressive disorder. for many, taking seroquel xr with an antidepressant was proven more effective than an antidepressant alone for treating unresolved symptoms of depression. talk to your doctor about seroquel xr. then visit seroquelxr.com for a free trial offer. call your doctor if you have u

if he dispatches her, then it's a romney-perry battle. >> bret: charles, the story line on governor perrys he was analyzing the mup situation, seeing where the money was. this is what is taking him so long to officially get in. but there is another potential storyline here. that is he is calling all the former defense officials down to texas. he is boning up on policy issues before jumping in. >> i think everything he is doing indicates a man who is running. if you look at the polls he is in and already running second or third, second in latest poll. he clearly is going to be the first tier candidate. romney obviously is way -- well, he is front rupper. he may not be way out in front but the front runner. then you get perry and then there is a wild card here. if sarah palin who is making noises of getting in. there are some reports she actually will. one in the "new york post" a couple of days ago. if she does it becomes a three-way contest to become the anti-romney. she goes head-to-head with bachmann particularly as tea party candidates. they're both favorites and they would be splittin

i want to move to rick perry. the other surprise on our poll is that rick perry is also in double digits and he's not even announced. we're learning more yesterday. here's what he said the latest what i'm calling rick perry watch day 300. we don't have it. here's what he said. i've been getting calls across the country, iowa, florida, new hampshire, the calling aspect of this is the stand point of people letting me know they're going to be there has been overwhelming. rick perry, is that somebody you think is going to be a player in this race. instincti cynthia? >> i think he could rise near the top of the polls very quickly. it says much more about the unsettled state of the republican field that so many republican operatives and major players are not satisfied and again, it says something about mitt romney at this point, that so many major republican players aren't satisfied with him as the nominee apparent. >> david, the texas tribune is doing only political junkies would love. here's one that features rick per

forgive me, not rick perry in the flesh, but the image of rick perry, beamed into south carolina, southina pastors. i continue to believe that governor rick perry of texas is the dark horse in the republican race and that he has a great shot at the nomination. here is what to watch for in coming days. saturday, iowa gets to decide who gets a slot in the straw poll, a sort of scammy fund-raising things that helps the iowa republican party and doesn't help the candidates. rick perry, of course, is not a declared candidate for president, but there are signs his operatives are trying to get him on that straw poll ballot in iowa, even though he's not declared. if iowa republican party decides they want it, the rick perry noncampaign makes it happen and he turns up on that ballot, i tell you, consider it done, the guy is in. >>> polls closed just under an hour ago in wisconsin's first recall election this year. not a primary, the actual election. this is a republican challenger running against an incumbent democratic state senator, david hanson. senator hanson left the state of wisconsin in f

rick perry said no. the supreme court said the only way to enforce the law is for congress to take action. so the obama administration took the very rare step of the federal government wading into a state criminal case. not over the issue of whether or not the prisoner was innocent or guilty, but over whether or not texas could kill him. without ever letting him get help from his home government. john ballinger, a lawyer who served the state department in the george w. bush department, arguing in this case, it should be obvious to anyone, including officials in texas, that if americans, including texans, are arrested and detained in some other country and the united states complains they have not been given their consular notice, it will be pointed out to us that the united states does not comply with our own international obligations on this. it cuts the legs out from under the state department, he said. to make arguments on behalf of americans who are detained abroad. the white house, the justice depar

thank you, perry. thank you jamal.me. >> thanks. >> ahead, what would jesus cut? here's a hint. not what republicans are proposing. that's next. [ male announcer ] this is coach parker... whose non-stop day starts with back pain... and a choice. take advil now and maybe up to four in a day. or choose aleve and two pills for a day free of pain. way to go, coach. ♪ of these abandoned racetracks in america today. automotive performance is gone. and all we have left are fallen leaves and broken dreams. oh. wait a second. that is a dodge durango. looks like american performance is doing just fine. ♪ carry on. ♪ >>> as the debt ceiling debate raises on, have you ever thought what would jesus cut? are urging congress to consider. a liberal evangelical group launched a series of ads that attack the current budget proposals for unfairly hurting the poor. this ad is air flg john boehner's district. >> our own representative boehner is risking the health of our economy in america defaults on debts all to pro tech the tax cuts. in

i don't know if rick perry was called or not.w is that republican party needs divine intervention to get there primary field in shape. they should have this golden opportunity to go after the president in this weak economy but they don't have quite the perfect candidate. a lot of people are hoping rick perry is that. he is unknown in the same way that maybe it was chris christie. but of course, when you get into it and once rick perry enters the race, yeah, they will talk about succession and all that in texas during his many years. there is a long record. longest serving governor. a lot of things to unpack there. he looks very attractive because nobody's done that due diligence. >> now, dr. dyson, governor perry also called a prayer meeting of conservative clergymen and saying we must pray for america. you think he is going to go for the christian right vote that we saw from the moral majority and rallying around george bush on certain moral and private morality issues? is that the base he will go for? >> i think so reverend sha

rick perry does. he hurt someone like a tim pawlenty who has failed to gain traction in general but really, if you have rick perry, what are you doing at tim pawlenty for. michele bachmann. >> bill: i was going to say have you got to assume michele bachmann lock up tea party vote in iowa and new hampshire as well. >> what happens if rick perry is in. i think rick perry could drain support for him as well. >> i think is he a interesting candidate. there have been people who feel like there has been a gap there does bridging the gam between the more traditional republican group such as business interest and that sort of thing. business establishment and the tea party. he has got a message about jobs. fairly short in texas about nine months bolstered by energy privacies of course but also bolstered by the fact that a bunch of jobs were coming there from other states where things were back such as california. they have been adding jobs 30 to 40% of the jobs added in the last year and a half. that is the m

rick perry is not in yet. rick has got a great record. strongest records of any governor in america. >> that's a pretty good endorsement from rudy giuliani, and it would certainly cut down on some of this idea if you're rick perry to tout that giuliani is on board with him the idea that he's too conservative to be elected president. >> sure. i don't see anything discouraging rick perry at this moment, especially when you look at the fund-raising that -- the report that came in over the last week. no one is raising that much money, with the exception of mitt romney, who is also at a tremendous disadvantage against the president. so i see it wide open for him. >> jeff, one of the reasons we've all speculated in the back of our minds why rick perry didn't show special in this early on was this issue of how the bush world, which really is code for karl rove and company, that this really is a rove rivalry, an old texas rivalry more than anybody else. but that has been an impediment a little bit for perry and it might be an impediment financial

perry knew that there was a five to four decision in the u.s. supreme court to refuse to stay the execution while the senate considers legislation to bring the u.s. including all the states and territories in line with this the end of convention on consular relations and by basically snubbing this international treaty that the u.s. has signed up to texas is putting every american traveling abroad who gets arrested for just the filed for or i'm just to file the reasons they're put in jeopardy because what this individual said is he wasn't afforded quick. consular services from the mexican consulate without the les that's what the treaty says that was what he used as a basis to have the execution stayed you mentioned the role that it has played internationally and i read that this by least in the one nine hundred sixty three treaty that was signed by the us that provided for the consular access provision that without on the insistence of the u.s. . the u.s. has relied on it and many instances to secure legal help and get the release of americans a

recently, rick perry. although he is not on the ballot, there is an effort to get right-in votes for him -- write-in votes for him. again, the straw poll is not the caucus. i expect it will be an open and fluid situation, and obviously, people will do better than expectations. could give them a real boost for the iowa caucuses and the subsequent primaries and caucuses in other states. >> can you give us a sense about the history of the straw poll in? do you think that in recent years, its impact on the race at large has been diminished? >> actually, i think it has grown in its influence. more people participate, and it has been a nice fund-raiser for the republican party in the state of iowa. yet, i think we need to look at it realistically. this is not a scientific survey. it is an early test of organization. it is sometimes not who wins it but who exceeds expectations. last time, a lot of people thought that then senator brownback, who is now the governor of kansas, would do well, actually, what happened

when you look at rick perry, you have a field that is out there and then a rick perry that might get who do you worry about the most? >> well, first of all, with rick perry, i think that there are a lot of americans that understand that language. i don't know that that is necessarily a liability for him. i think that a bigger liability is that as democrats we expect the proposal coming out in 2012 are going to look a lot like the policies of the bush era. it would be too much to ask almost for the messenger of those policies would be another governor from texas. >> sounds very similar. >> who sounds irly similar. >> there is going to be a lot of attention to social issues. there's less of a line between fiscal and social conservatives. >> this has been a field day, for the most part so far, unless there are questions, for the most part, some of the appeals to evangelicals and male pieces that they are, they are talking about the economy and they are talking about jobs and the deficit. rudy giuliani, who may run again, i tend to think not, he's flirting with it. listen to him talking

could governor perry come close to that?: i don't know, we are not on that side of the campaign but there is a lot of money out there and i don't think any republican can match what obama has been able to do but obama has to explain away his administration and that will take $1 billion. >>stuart: in the event that governor perry does not run and he does not declare that he is running, who would you support? >>guest: that is a tough question. when you are heart and soul interest something and it goes away it takes you time to sit back and look. i would have to wait and see if anyone gets in. >>stuart: i suggest governor christie of new jersey could be drafted. >>guest: i don't know if i fail at this i will not do another. >>stuart: thank you for joining us. an honest answer, that was trick. [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more amecans, many in small towns and

for freedom from religion foundation after texas governor rick perry designated august sixth as a day of prayer and fasting for a nation to seek god's guidance prepare his words and called on governors across america to join him for a religious rally the freedom from religion foundation showed rick perry perry a lawsuit arguing that this religious rally by a lights the first amendment's establishment clause course rick perry is also the guy who advised texans to pray for rain and it actually got drier so he's no stranger to injecting religion in the policy to the freedom from religion foundation for standing up to the session and happy well for the bad. sarah pailin earlier this year palin came under criticism for her gun rhetoric or lock and load rhetoric following the shooting of congresswoman gabby giffords well a few months later pale and. hasn't learned her lesson appearing on where else but so called news paling weighed in on the debt limit ago she asians with this. we cannot default but we have to we cannot afford to retreat right now either now is not the time to retreat if th

rick perry could get in.es, he'll do it smart, won't do what newt did, smashing paul ryan's plan on the way in. >> i like rick perry. >> a guy who ran for president, came in after labor day, and won? the short answer -- never. >> now, you can raise a lot of money online. somebody could get in mid, late september, even october 1st. if rick perry gets in, it instantly becomes a two-man race between romney and rick perry. rick perry has an enormous economic success story to tell in texas. nearly 40% of all the jobs created once the recession formally ended happened in texas. no state income tax. little regulatory burden in texas, a perfect counter point to barack obama, in addition to the fact unlike romney he's plugged in -- >> the only role i have on this show is to be the crazy uncle in the basement. >> got it. >> and because i know something about presidential politics. please, when it gets to this, you're too smart to analyze things that way. >> he's not getting. >> ? >> he won't be able to get in on the ba

i don't think perry is the dominant pick of that group. think the group is waiting to see if governor christie would jump in and really wanted mitch daniels to run. i think he would have launched with a real bang with a lot of those bundlers behind him. they're interested in perry because they're not that interested in the field right now and see him as an alternative. i don't think he has a good relationship with some of the old bush crowd and a lot of the folks who are part of the bush crowd are the big bundlers, so it's not clear he'd pull off all of them but there is an opening. there was a recent poll where he was registering at 10% in one of those polls and that's for somebody who does not have much of a national profile. not even that big of a national profile with republicans. >> let's talk more about that because there is a new cbs poll out today showing a majority, 71% of americans watching what's going on in washington are really unimpressed with how the republicans are handling the debt crisis. does this give a washington outsi

someone from taking place group wants the courts to declare perry's organization promotion and participation in the event to be unconstitutional because it violates the establishment clause of the first amount as the clause in the constitution that says congress shall make no law as quoting from the from the constitution congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion and the f a r f contends that perry's participation in the event violates the constitution because it gives the impression that the american government quote prefers evangelical christian religious beliefs over other religious beliefs and non-beliefs and of course so is rick perry gone too far this time and should elected officials be pushing events that clearly support one particular religious viewpoint and they're supposed to be upholding the separation of church and state your offer to take on this issue is dr carol swain conservative commentator and author of be the people of color to reclaim america's faith and promise when welcome back thank you good to see you again. i'm a christian i believe in separa

rick perry did better. rick perry has a good economy in texas.eople say she creates low-income jobs but they're doing better than the rest of the country and he will take momentum away from bachmann and romney. he could be a bridge between the tea party republicans and establishment republicans. he would be a big player if he gets in. >> bret: his record, though, in texas is getting scrutinized. the state budget has grown faster than inflation and population growth and the spending has grown faster than his predecessor george w. bush. rick, if he gets in, if he is as expected gets in, what does it do to the iowa race? conventional wisdom is congresswoman michele bachmann is positioned well right now. >> it makes things interesting. ames is critical for a lot of candidates and it would become critical for perry even if he is not a candidate. he needs springboard to come in saying look, without lifting a finger this is what i did. that is the boost that goes, to his back as he moves ahead. it throws iowa in contention. >> bret: iowa is big for othe