also, peter baker, chief. >> white house correspondent for the new. >> york times, and. >> doctor vinta, msnbc medical contributor. >> ryan. >> walk us through. what we expect. >> to happen. >> and which senators. >> we should be watching. >> we're monitoring it right now on the senate finance committee, expected to gavel in at any moment. and that's when they'll begin the process of voting out the confirmation of robert f kennedy jr as the secretary of health and human services. the signal that we've gotten from almost every republican on the panel is that they're a yes vote. if every republican votes yes and every democrat votes no, he will move on to the next stage. that is why everyone is keeping such a close eye on senator bill cassidy of louisiana. cassidy raised serious concerns about robert f kennedy jr. s past statements on vaccines during both hearings. kennedy went through two hearings, one with the finance committee, one with the health, education, labor and pensions committee, of which cassidy is the chairman. and cassidy did not feel very satisfied with the way that kenn

we're back now with new york times chief white house correspondent peter baker and the atlantic editor in chief, jeffrey goldberg. welcome, both. so, peter, usaid, foreign, humanitarian and development aid is a small part of the budget. it's less than 1%. but the agency's impact on diplomacy is so much larger, exponentially larger if usaid is dismantled. and i've seen it all over the world. i've traveled with linda thomas-greenfield, with samantha power, with other people in previous administrations. is how hard is this going to be to rebuild and how is it being viewed overseas? >> well, i. >> mean, look. aid to foreign countries. >> is not. >> about altruism, or at least not. only about altruism. right? obviously, it has an interest for the united states government as well. that's been the bipartisan consensus among republicans and democrats for many, many years. obviously, there have been criticisms on the right that some of it is excessive. but as you rightly point out, is a tiny fraction of our federal budget. but it actually has a force multiplier because people around the world a

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here's what the new york times peter baker writes, quote, soft power is out. hard power is in. since returning to the white house, president trump has demonstrated that he prefers to bludgeon, not bargain, his favorite blunt instrument not military force, but economic coercion like the tariffs he ordered on saturday. joining us now is former senior adviser to mike pence. mike to mike pence marc short. he also served as white house legislative affairs director under trump and now as the board chair at advancing american freedom. marc. good morning. wonderful to see you again. uh, broadly speaking, what we're seeing here in these two weeks from president trump this time around, it has been a series of broadsides across government, beginning with the pardons for everyone who was investigated for january 6th. is president trump doing what americans voted for? >> i think broadly, yes. i think for most americans, they looked at the border situation under the biden-harris administration is a total disaster and chaotic, and they see that that's where a lot of trump's focus has been. i

. >> the new york times, i think, aptly, peter baker, characterizing. >> the president's. >> commentsoday. >> is him thinking. >> not as a president but as a real estate developer. >> because the thing he did mention. >> the only. >> thing where you thought, you know, if. >> you're asking. >> yourself, what's. >> the play here? what is he trying to get out of this? we were talking about this before the press. >> conference ended. >> there is a weird obsession in trump world with development and real estate development and the gaza strip. and he did mention several times, you know, we're going to develop it and. >> add thousands of. >> jobs. >> unlimited jobs. >> and housing. >> and i'm not saying that there's necessarily going to be trump hotel gaza, but. >> you can see that. >> that is part, at. least in the, you know, expression of donald trump's id that comes out in these lexicon. >> that he uses is it's a demolition site. that's a real estate development term. it's a it's the riviera of the middle east, that world people will live there. it's going to create thousands of jobs. you

you don't you don't, you know, you know, we don't know because this is an administration that, as peter baker it's acting in the interests of the president rather than in the interests of american national interests in the way it's been traditionally defined or has been defined for the last 50 years. people are readjusting the way they think about foreign policy. >> when we return. our friend, msnbc. >> host chris hayes, talks to us about his new book titled. >> the siren's. >> call how. >> attention became. >> the. >> world's most endangered resource. resource. >> that's next. watch your step! that's why visionworks makes it simple to schedule an eye exam that works for you. even if you have a big trip to plan around. thanks! i mean, i can see you right now if that's...convenient. visionworks. see the difference. >> clinically tested. >> my hair. >> is longer, thicker. >> is longer, thicker. >> nutrafo power outages can be unpredictable, inconvenient, and disruptive to your life, posing a real threat to your family's comfort and safety. when the power goes out, you have no lights, no refrige