you refer to phil griffin, the president of msnbc.? >> well, we were having the conversation and he said i talked to people in washington and they were concerned about your tone. in the beginning of the conversation i was thinking, that's kind of a weird way to put something, what does he mean? his friend bob in washington? does he mean one of the reporters? what does he mean. >> apparently he meant other msnbc staffers. >> that's what he claims. but i find that -- i'm incredulous about that. the rest of the conversation was hey, look, cenk, we'd love to be outsiders, outsiders are cool. but we're insiders, we're the establishment and you have to look like it. if my bookers had problems with my waving my arms, that would be an incredibly weird way of putting that. >> you suggested when this perh some white house pressure on msnbc because you have taken on the president on various things. but you don't have any evidence of that, do you? >> but i didn't say that. i said people in washington had a concern with my tone, which is what phil

last night he revealed not only that his ratings were more than good but the m s n b c president phil griffin had called him into a meeting and said the quote people in washington didn't like his tell and then he said this. and then he gives me the second part of the speech hey listen genk outsiders are cool and they were i think you might have said something like they were leather jackets they want ride bikes i think i'm an outsider i don't ride bikes but i would terrible leather jacket anything. he said i love to be an outsider outsiders are cool but we're not we're insiders we are this stuff. so there you have it the mainstream corporate establishment media admitting they are in fact not government watchdogs but are the establishment but how long can the mainstream media really survive with that kind of attitude and is new media like the young turks the way of the future or earlier i caught up with an experiment host of the young turks university and an i often talk about the mainstream media its failure to question the government but i first asked her how she felt now that m.s.m. b c actu

s president phil griffin told rank the people in washington didn't like his telling that he needed to have more republicans on the program and perhaps most damning the while being an outsider is good and s n b c in griffin's words is the establishment not something that those of us who observe the mainstream media could have told you from their coverage but is a a make. when they actually admit to it and act on it themselves and as we asked yesterday how long can that establishment mentality really last before viewers wise up and start turning to other alternatives joining me from our studio in last and los angeles is the young turks jane thank you so much for joining us we're happy that you've chosen us to be one of the places where you can come and talk about this story so you know you've already you put an entire statement out there on the young turks you held a phone conference yesterday and you described the story of them sitting you down saying that they didn't like your tone or not they somebody in washington like your tone and that they are the establishment i'm just curious w