with me now is phil mudd. he served in the role from 2003 to 2005. if that is the way it went down, spying on a senate committee. a committee charged with ov oversight of the cia is indefensible. >> i suspect the story is more judgment. the senate was accessing documents they should not have had. my guess is the cia then under took an investigation and in the aftermath, director brennan, the investigation was overzealous. michael, this is a bigger story. a lot of bad blood with the oversight committee is the al qaeda detainees. director brennan is on the hot seat. this has something to do with the bad blood. this is a manifestation. >> yesterday, the president said something interesting in this regard. nora, would you roll the video so phil could watch. >> in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. we did a lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. >> we tortured some folks. did we, phil? >> i think this is a question about time. people have to step back as the president said and let me quote him and not

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phil mudd, thanks to you. go to ivan watson who is still with us.van, the president spoke for just a moment about the difficulty in now that these thousands of religious minorities, this religious minority group are on this mountain. they now have to get down and back to their homes. air strikes from what you understand, also combined with the humanitarian corridor that the u.n. is, would go on, what's the progress there building this corridor and will that, too, take months instead of weeks? >> well, we know that the kurds say they've successfully established some kind of evacuations, at the very least, thousands of these trapped yazidi kurds from the mountain, and that one of the directions they've gone to evacuate these people is believe it or not, across the border to neighboring syria. to a kurdish enclave there that's coal ecrommed by a group known loosely at the kurdistan workers party or pkk. coordination between pkk, kurds of northern iraq. it's a confusing area. it's confusing. to help thousands of those yazidis escape by foot in some case

and joining me is philip mudd a former fbi and cia official. philterms of what's happening right now with these air strikes and the mission that seems obvious for one, the americans are there, the 40,000 potential victims of a slaughter are there. but isis just keeps getting worse. is this a strategy that the americans should effectuate right now? wipe them out when they are contained? >> what we're doing now is to defend a bit of territory between isis and the kurds. in the past we talked about the threat of isis to baghdad. the question over time is going to revolve around a couple of issues, number one is the durability of our operations. these guys are committed. if you look at the history of insurgency people motivated by religion are more durable than those motivated by politics or economics. the second issue is whether we transition from trying to defend the kurds or yazidis to whether we try to decapitate isis. do you want to go after the leadership of the organization? right now we're just on day one or day two of an operation that if we're

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military law expert and loyola law school professional david glazer and counterterrorism analyst phil mudd, also former deputy director of the counterterrorism center for the cia. gentlemen, thank you both for joining me. if i could, david, i'd like to direct this first question for you. it's a very simple question. i don't think it has a simple answer, but here it goes. when does the united states government have the authority to kill one of its citizens without using due process? >> well, if the united states is engaged in an armed conflict, then it becomes a fairly straightforward matter. if an american citizen chooses to affiliate with an enemy of the united states, then they're just as liable to being killed as anyone else. i think the whole question about killing americans sort of misses what i think is the more important legal question, does the united states have a right to kill people who pose a threat to it at all? if we do, for example, if we're in an armed conflict, then citizenship doesn't matter. but if we're outside an armed conflict, then killing anyone becomes quite proble

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joining us is phillip mudd, former cia counterterrorism official. phileing with us. i want to take this in two parts. you heard barbara's reporting right there about isis, the notion of whether isis is a direct threat to the united states. first, in your opinion, is isis right now a direct threat to the u.s.? >> i'm hesitating my answer as yes for a simple reason. that is, when you're looking at a terror organization you break it down into capability and intent. what can they do? what do they want to do? they showed us intent already, they beheaded an american citizen and talked about america being a target. the capability question is interesting. you don't get terror organizations that have 100-plus americans who have gone overseas to fight with them, three, 400-plus british participating in the fight. that gives the group a capability to reach back into america that's substantial. i don't see how you can sit here and say there's not a threat. i'm not saying we can't handle it. i'm saying you can't as a practition practitioner, as a specialist, say they

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want to bring in cnn counterterrorism expert and former cia counterterrorism official philip mudd. phil told there were as many as 100 americans fighting in syria right now. that was known, but now we have a name. now we have a story. so what do investigators now do with that information, do with that story, do with that name? >> boy, at this point to me it's the most fascinating piece of the intelligence business, that is, we're focused on a name and how this guy got there and what happened to his family and how he was radicalized, but the interesting story here to me is the parallel life i lived at you bureau and the cia and that is once you have a name at the middle of the spider web your initial question is what is the extent or is there a conspiracy around him? who radicalized him? who do d he radicalize? and how did he get the money to get there? where did he get the documents? who facilitated his travel through a place like turk? the first question you have is a ticking time clock, and that is was there a conspiracy around him that allowed this to happen, and it takes a while to

former navy seal john mcguire as well as counter-terrorism analyst phillip mudd, formerly of the cia and the fbi. to you, philg that isis has sleeper cells in the u.s.? we heard from governor rick perry in texas that you know, he actually said it's a real possibility. that's a quote, that isis has crossed into the u.s. over the southern border. >> i think we after 13, 14 years of war and my 25 years of following these guy, we have to take a deep breath. the reason is this. i doubt there's a formal cell here. i don't know. what i witnessed in years of watching these guys is clus terz of youth who were not formaldehyde mali organized who might be inspiring each other and who would come together over the course of time, baby over going to paintball, for example, and say hey, we've seen what al baghdadi did. maybe we should build a backpack bomb. i think it's likely there are kids like that in formal clusters. formal cells like the kind you see in hollywood, i would be more convinced that. >> more that would be inspired by it. a question to you, john. as the perspective of a navy seal, do you see and do you remem