the largest plastic bag maker in the u.s. is one of three companies that have sued chicobag, andy keller's reusable bag company. >> we're recycling somewhere around 70 to pounds of post consumer bag, wraps every day. >> mark daniels gave us a tour of the company's plastic recycle bag plant in indiana which it touts as the biggest in the world. daniel says many bags not recycled benefit consumers who reuse them. >> they use it for a trash can liner. one of the biggest reuses, cleaning up after a dog when you take it for a walk. >> reporter: keller has been a thorn in the company's side. in a lawsuit, hilex poly accused keller of posting unsubstantiated or misleading statistics about plastic bags on his website. stasks it said were causing it to lose business. >> we honestly thought this kind of false and misleading information was not appropriate. especially for their commercial gain at the expense of us. >> reporter: how much revenue did hilex poly lose as a result of chicobags advertising? >> i'm not going to share that confi

there were plastic bags under cars. there were plastic bags in door ways. and in bushes. and worst of all there was a plastic bag clogging a storm drain. which leads directly to the bay. i didn't touch or arrange any of these before i took the photo es. i want to commend the city for banning plastic bags from large retail establishments and submit these tos to you as evidence that we have to go further. there is still too much plastic bag litter in san francisco. so please vote to amend the environment code from all retail establishments and food blitches. supervisor avalos: thank you very much. next speaker please? steven colonel and michelle welch. >> thank you very much. tim james, california groceries representing a chain and independent stores 80% of our membership is actually independent grocery stores. speaking today, in regards to the ordinance that given the changes that are being made to the ordinance not only today but overall, we feel as an industry that we're actually comfortable implementing such an ordinance. we're one of the few sfris that was included in

the largest plastic bag maker in the u.s. one of three companies that have sued chicobag, andy keller's reusable bag company. >> we're recycling somewhere close to 70,000 pounds of post consumer bags, wraps, every day. >> reporter: the president gave us a tour of the company's plastic recycling plant in indiana. which it touts as the biggest in the world. daniel says many bags not recycled benefit consumers who reuse them. >> they use it for a trash can liner. one of the biggest reuses, cleaning up after a dog when you take it for a walk. >> reporter: keller has been a thorn in the company's side. in a lawsuit, hilex poly accused keller of leaving unsubstantiated statistics on his website. statistics it said were causing it to lose business. >> we honestly thought this kind of false and misleading information was not appropriate. especially for their commercial gain at the expense of us. >> reporter: how much revenue did hilex poly use as a result of chicobags advertising? >> i'm not going to share that confidential informati

in 2002, ireland placed a 15 cents charged on plastic bags and now charges roughly 33 cents. other countries like france, switzerland, and belgium charge for bags while italy has banned all non-, postal bags -- non- compostable bags. santa cruz and san jose have just approved laws that would also charge for bags. santa cruz, malibu, and others expanded their plastic bag band and charge to all stores and restaurants without broad resistance from industry. as a result, as a 2007 ban, san francisco has seen some good results. the department of the environment and others think they can be improved. the city has seen an 18% decrease in single use plastic bags in the waste stream, but we feel like we could do better. the question has been raised of why charge. why charge customers for these bags? research indicates clearly the check out back charge was reduced consumer use of single use plastic bags dramatically. we have seen an 18% decrease in san francisco. in one example, in washington, d.c., a bag charge reduced single use bags by 81%. ireland has seen a reduction of 90%. i will

if a restaurant wants to use a plastic bag, they can. on we allow compostable plastic is we have the nation's leading, in many cases, world leading composting program and we see that there's value, if the bag is truly composting, certified that way and labeled that way, it can be used to help collect food scraps and go in a green bin. there are nearly 30 companies worldwide that are making compostable bags. the industry is growing very fast. there's an incredible revolution happening in the plastics industry going torts bio-based and compostable. we now have more companies coming out with sort of the t-shirt takeout bags. and we've been testing them to see if they will perform like a regular plastic bag with hot take-out food. an we've looked at three so far that do a really good job. so there's definitely that option available for restaurants. >> that's good, thank you. >> thank you. >> for me the operable word is recoverable costs. i can see why people are onboard with it. it is our work in the world right now is to take care of our wor

, and i should remind you, what plastic bags are necessary with the objective here -- why plastice necessary with the objective here. the decomposition of the bag takes a long time and is harmful to the environment. one can argue that a single plastic bag may not be harmful, but when you think of the tens of millions that cities like san francisco go through in city's large and small that contribute to the 102 billion consumption of bags per year that go into landfills, and they are not recyclable, then i think we all have something larger to do. for our ability to try to ban that at that tier puts us in pace with cities like santa fe and los angeles and the other incorporated areas this population amounts to about 1 million people. this puts us on pace with washington, d.c., who has now signed a fee, and that he has resulted in an 80% reduction of plastic bags used in metropolitan washington, d.c. a lot of this was lifted from ireland. ireland happened to be one of the first nations on this planet that decided to assign a bag of the, and part of my inspiration came from ireland,

i have been appreciative of supervisor mirkarimi's leadership in reducing the number of plastic bags. when i leave san francisco, i feel it is very backwards when i get all the plastic containers from other stores. why were we limiting the amount of days that they can give away the bags? i don't want to discourage stores from giving away bags sold i just question the restriction. >> i want to say thank you. good feedback and i think that we have borrowed a lot of time. we will be more than happy to review the information because we are not alone even though san francisco is not only the first city in the country but the first to do this. many took our example and it has been done with much more vigorous laws. the ft assessments are minimally 25 cents on average. it is good that san francisco try to keep pace with what is happening. >> i want to appreciate the extra time that we will have to evaluate this item. there is the use of reusable plastic bags. we have seen these pop up in response to the previous ban on plastic bags. just a question about what we are seeing for that trend. >>

. >> reporter: for the past four years plastic bags have been banned at big grocery stores and drug storess new law would ban all locations and charge for a paper bag this is what we are talking about. the supervisor is behind this new measure which would ban plastic bags at all retail locations, department stores, bookstores, also starting in july, there would be a charge of 10 cents per paper bag going up to 25 cents per paper bag in 2014. we spoke to a shopper this morning who would prefer to ban the ban. >> like me, i mean they steal it then everybody wants to be green and green takes work and effort. in which case if they decide to charge 10 cents a bag we going to see how green everybody is going to be. >> reporter: i guess they will. this are exceptions to the plastic bag law they would be allowed to wrap newspapers for dry cleaning and restaurant patrons who eat and want to take the food home. there would be teeth to this law, $100 fine for the first violation. $200 for the second, $500 for the third for retail outlets. the idea to cleanup the environment. the supervisor says ameri

ban city wide and charge up to 25 cents per paper bag. >> the idea is paper nor plastic, we use your owner bag and that's exactly where most of europe is going. >> reporter: some super visors including scott weaner expressed concerns about bag fees. >> 25 cents for people on fixed incomes or low income can be i think a burden. >> reporter: the proposal would expand the ban to all re-stale stores and restaurant take out orders and charge customers 10 cents per bag. there would be exceptions for restaurant leftoverrers and more. supporters say the ban would save landfill space and the environment. >> when these bags get into the bay and a million a year do, they last forever and choke fish and wildlife and find them in birds and marine mall mills. >> reporter: some shoppers would be fine with it. >> we should stop using plastic now and like, you know, save the earth. >> it would make me carry my own bag. >> reporter: it would? >> yes, it would. >> reporter: instead of double bagging. >> yes. >>> opponents say the ban goes too far. >> far. steven with save the plastic bag says it wo

it would make it illegal for all retail stores to use plastic bags starting next july in all restaurants in 2013 and imposes a 10 cent fee for paper bags next year and 25 cents on all bags in 2014. supporters say it will help eliminate plastic bags that are not environmentally friendly. >> and i know we're thinking about thanksgiving. christmas is a month away. reindeer have been spotted on a san francisco roof top. santa accompanied them during a stop over on the roof of the academy of sciences. reindeer spent part of the morning grazing on plants. they will be on display until january 16th part of an ef yrt to put science behind tradition. >> and you can learn about the spices of the world and smells behind that. we have snow falling a couple times per hour. >> and besides learning how snow forms, they can read the 12 days of christmas. how much fun is that? >> and science to get reindeer on the roof? >> neat. >> yes. >> and let's talk about the part of weather and there is going to be a nice looking day and there is some rain coming in here. and there is a live picture from our high d

plastic bags are banned from groceries and farm says. that could be expanded to retail stores and restaurants in the city. this from supervisor mercurini. >> it's common sense and time we take it into the the next level. >> it will hit new checkout lines. under proposal, bags that are allowed will cost you. 10 cents starting in july of next year. and this climbs by 2014. >> i can bring my own bags. >> he says when washington, d.c. started charging a fee, usage dropped by 81%. and this is not just grocery stores, but all retailers, owner of a clothing store has concerns. >> it becomes just another impedement to making a process easier one z makes it less friendly. >> the businesses will get to keep the fee, one reason the grocers association and chamber of commerce spoke in favor today. but an attorney representing plastics industry sued other cities and threatening to do so now unless there is a state environmental impact review. >> san francisco is basing this evidence on misinformation and exaggerations. >> it is scheduled to go to the

alameda county shoppers will pay 10 cents per plastic bag a group representing makers of plastic bags is threatening to sue. >>> an american businessman jailed in aruba in connection with a friend's death will soon be released. he was arrested in august when his traveling companion disappeared. he said that his companion was swept out to sea but police in aruba believe that he was involved in the death. >> earlier this year, the f.a.a. secretly ordered all airlines remove emergency oxygen systems from bathroom because of a security vulnerability. usa today is reporting it could be more than two years before a substitute system is put in place. emergency oxygen masks in cabin are not affected by this order. >>> well, the official white house christmas tree arrived in washington today. [ band playing oh, christmas tree ] >> there it is. the horse drawn wagon brought the tree to the portico of the white house. you can see first lady michele obama along with sasha and melia along with dog bo. it is going to be in display in the white house in the blue room >>> for a list of holiday events

. >> it's so much fun to see children open presents and the paper and plastic bags, the ribbons, and so little children can pick these up and put plastic bags over their heads which is a suffocation hazard. make sure you remove all the wrapping paper and you keep plastic bags and small parts away from little children. >> we are working to keep you safe. try to keep these in mind when you do your holiday shopping and gift wrapping this year. >>> false you're planning on flying with those gifts, be careful. a new scam seems to be targeting e-mail boxes with faked messages from delta airlines. people have been complaining about receiving e-mails indicating they purchased a ticket with a company, when they click it, the attachment is labeled as a receipt contains a computer virus. best way to make sure it's real is to check the address, if it's from delta, it should end in @delta.com. >> the weather radar. >>> very little daylight left out there, sunset already happened, 4:55 and not much dust to be seen through the thick clouds. 57 degrees right now. and certainly some showers still out

san francisco banned the use of plastic bags in big grocery stores and chain pharmacies. the ban would extend that to all retail stores. >>> scott mcgrew has our business and tech report. >> first full day of trading, groupon offered shares to the public for the first time friday. ipo closely watched by other companies considering a public sale, including facebook. from what we know, facebook's financials are wildly more solid than groupon. >>> here is a great ad for the new call of duty modern warfare iii. the ad features jonah hill. he won't be in the game. it comes out today or tomorrow, depending how you think of it. 12:01 a.m. stores are going to stay open to sell it. call of duty, the best-selling franchise of all time. at any given moment of the day, hundreds of thousands of people are playing online. >>> all things considered, these are pretty good phones made by samsung and htc, which make android phones. microsoft is trying to reboot its efforts in mobile. we just got word from meijer. big sale will be december 1st. the biggest maker of pots and pans in the worl

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fees on paip skbrer plastic bags. and bag manufacturers promised to file suit if the bill pass autos neighbors are upset about a plan to put a play ground in a park. there is more than five acres of green surrounded by high rises. a law prohibits permanent structures and some neighbors say that that includes a proposed playground. >> we don't have enough land here to cater to every group that wants it for their own. >> there should be a playground here, it's important for kids to get exercise around here. >> and the san francisco board agrees and approved a measure to amend the law. and parents have to raise at least half a million dollars. >> a national consumer group is out with a 26th annual trouble in toyland report. and it found a dozen violating standards for lead or chemicals and choking hazards as well as toys that are too loud. >> this talking cell phone designed to teach children wonders of cell phones tested at 74 decemberinnels. and for these types of toys, 65 decemberen yils are the legal limit. >> and fig

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>>justine: san francisco could soon be expanding its plastic bag ban to include all retail stores and restaurants. that is of legislation being considered by the board of supervisors gets approved today. customers could also be charged for each bag a business and give them if the proposal passes. san francisco has a law that passed back in 2007 advanced supermarkets and chain store pharmacies from providing single use non disposable plastic bags to customers. >>mark: we will be right back as the kron4 morning news continues. we're keeping our eyes on the sierra. another storm expected to roll in tomorrow night. >>james: chilly temperatures out there right now. patchy fog and heavy in the central valley. if you're headed toward sacramento, give yourself extra time. los '60s, a high this afternoon sunny and mild. this evening we began a chance for showers that will only intensify as we head into tomorrow. a full look at your forecast coming up. justine >> here is a live look outside at what is happening in egypt. things are really starting to escalate. in cairo, tens of thousands of peo

>> well, you know, you've got compostable -- you've got regular plastic bags coming from around the world and you've got alternative bags. we do have -- we've seen a growth in industry in california with world-class industries that's making thick, re-usable bags out of recycled plastic. companies like chico bags, that make the nileon-like, woven polyester bags that fold into a pocket. we saw that with the alternatives in stire foal. and since our ban over four years ago styrofoam, now there's more jobs in california making alternatives to styrofoam than making styrofoam and we think we'll see that same trend. in terms of locally here, we have companies that are making bags that will be good for them. we see businesses that charge for bags having an extra revenue stream. we see an economic benefit there. president o'brien: thank you. well, i think that the attempt of the legislation is a trend that's a train that's not going to be stopped. we all want to see our children inherit a better world than what we've created partly, and partly what we've inherited ourselves. there's no reversing t