the poor, we have to have a mind for the poor.e situation worse for poor people. we have to stop. john: a sliver of good news, finally, leaders of developing countries recognize that aid can hurt. here's the president of rwanda. >> aid leads to more aid and more aid and more aid and less independence of the people that are receiving aid. john: and we heard president clinton say this isn't working, and even bono is saying aid isn't as good as capitalism. so things are changing. >> what you're seeing hopefully is people start to recognize that the current way of thinking is broken. let's rethink our assumptions and beliefs how we think about poor people and think about economics. john: thank you, michael, we're out of time. >>> coming up, child labor. >> early in the morning, children board a school bus, but they're not headed to school. they're going to work. john: going to work in north carolina. and next guest says good, let children work! debate about that next. ♪ (holiday music is playing) hey! i guess we're going to need a new

. >> we're not just called to have a heart for the poor, we're supposed to have a mind for the poor. >> many people's minds say spread the wealth. >> i think we should share more. >> increase the minimum wage. >> three-dollar increase can make a living wage. it makes a living wage. it makes a living wage. >> what should america do about poverty? that's our show tonight. >> and now, john stossel. >> in this rich country lots of people are poor. so what should we do about that? spread the wealth, that's the democrat's plan. some americans are plenty rich. we can just tax more and spend the money on the poor. fifty years ago president johnson said america will end poverty by doing that. >> this administration today here and now declares unconditional war on poverty in america. [applauding] >> he expanded social security to include more people. expanded the food stamp program. created the job core and more. and look how it's reduced poverty. in the first sten years of the war on poverty, the poverty rate dropped from 17 percent to 12 percent. that's great success. but wait a second. look

all right james poore. good morning, mr. poore. believe you are represented by cathy frye, is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> unlike cedric whose public defender is likely to be carrying a heavy case load and have limited resources, james poore has hired a private defense attorney. >> miss frye has been in this morning. not guilty plea entered on your behalf. good luck. >> thank you. >> after the arraignment, the two brothers try to talk. but an officer notices the exchange and separates them. >> did that go the way you thought? >> oh, no. i didn't know nothing about no attorney. how is his court process moving quicker than mine. >> you tried to talk after you were arraigned. what were you trying to say to him? >> how did you get an attorney? how were you able to afford an attorney. i know i'm scrambling to try to get an attorney myself. >> you gonna be cool? >> it never hurts to shed a tear especially when you're a man of deep feelings. >> catch up, catch up, catch up. >> on the advice of his new attorney, james declined to discuss

of the poor. now, that said, there's also the issue of transparency. we get the record but actually it was illegal. actually violated the ethics law and then a question to follow up with is what i was doing benefited the poor and uninsured, when she used taxpayer dollars to pay for the private charter jets to the campaign, who did not benefit? >> moderator: we have questions you can ask that we better stick with the format here. let me follow follow-up, congressman. as i understand, this was supposed to be documented. did you personally find these timesheets, and the other question i have is getting louisiana colorful political history if you history of the welcome is understandable that there would be some questions raised about some potential for abuse in some cases if there were no safeguards when a congressman was employed by an entity of state government. it's understandable if you heard this past week. they did everything they can to keep the story alive. even helping the poor and the uninsu

families, in poor communities, leads to pretty rapid improvement. the idea-- . >> stephen: how does that help me. i give money-- i give my money, it goes to some poor guy, you know, where, where are you working? >> give me a mace. >> lie per ya, sierra leone. >> stephen: my money owes over there, how is that helping me? how is that scratching my back? >> there is a lot of evidence to suggest that the world will be safer and more prosperous if there are not these kind of inequalities, if we can address them. (cheers and applause) >> stephen: how many people-- (cheers and applause) how many people have partners in health helped worldwide so far. >> cum latifly? swz yeah. >> many, many millions, i imagine. even tens of millions and workinging in partnership with public health authorities, for example, in rwanda. to use that example am we've been lucky enough to reach, you know, significant components of the population. the massive reversals in misfortune that rwanda knew only 15 years ago so rwanda, for example, is a country with a pretty good health-c

it was the poorest of the poor. so when we think about king and carmichael,, that becomes close between 1966 and the king's death. in the course of doing research, one of the most fascinating things was his antiwar activism. the biggest antiwar activist was carmichael, and carmichael, and he is the person who is one of the people who inspires thing to come out forcefully against the war. carmichael gives a powerful speech at the university of california at berkeley. over 10,000 people. he criticizes the war in vietnam and talks to white students about american democracy, racial privilege, and what can be done to transform democratic institutions. i have interviewed people were their. what they say is, that speech was a human rights speech. his antiwar activism inspired them to speak out. by april 15, 1957, they are on the same platform in new york city at the un building carmichael speaks before king. he criticizes the war, violence in the united states, and connects the war in vietnam to the civil rights and black

so notwithstandi e fact thamedicaid is the federal health program for the poor millions of poor americans not cored by any benefits at all they don't have government protection or private insurance because they're unemployed or because they work in jobs that don't provide suchoverage. about 15% to 20% of the american population at the present time has little or no health insurance protection either through priva insurance or government progms. in the 1970s, medicare and medicaid costs mounted. as the burdens on state governments increased the progmsrainto criticism from state governors like ronald reagan. medical, our medicaid program in california, is increasing by 50% aear. in its first 16 mohs it was budge $746 million. t $876 million were spent. this program went$130illion in debt in that limited time. that debt must be paid out of ts year's budget. we're in trouble in this phase of welfare. in california alone, hastily drawn legislation in this field can bankrupt our ste unless we ha revisions. the costs of medicare and medicai coinued to riseatalarmingate. asesul legislators vehiedw

but if he really cared about the poor, he would have stayed poor! just like my protege, the professor. there's a guy with some street cred with the poor. democrats ought to run him. but instead they run salon socialists like john edwards or al gore. now he says he stands up for conservation and the environment. but you know folks, i recently learned he lives in house. a house with running water and electricity! if he really believed all that earth stuff, don't you think he'd be living in a hollow log? [laughter] -the point is-- yeah. one point for our side. the point is, once you've made a certain amount of money, caring about anything other than yourself makes you a hypocrite. now i'm not saying, i'm not saying that john edwards should drop out of the race. but he should at least run as a republican. the guys they've got now aren't really catching fire. but john edwards-- good looking, intelligent, rich guy with a populist message that's really clicking in the heartland-- he could be a republican contender. but if he won't consider it, at least his

he is the man who gives us this spirit of peace, the poor man."austen ivereigh, if you could respond? >> i was there when he said those words to the 5000 journalists shortly after his election. he was explaining why it was he took the name of francis of assisi. he is identifying himself with a figure that is really the icon in the catholic tradition of poverty, of humility of identification with the poor but also a man who was famous with his love of creation and an actual world and i were he saw mankind, as it were, man fits into human beings fit into god's creation and god's creation is much more than just us. we are stewards of the planet. we're been entrusted with the responsibility for the planet we must not damage it. we must care and embrace it. we must support it. by taking the name, he was signaling from the beginning that he was going to be doing this. i understand this encyclical has been under preparation almost ever since he was elected. he is also involved a number of theologians who were out of favor for some time, including a brazi

if you can help a poor kid in here, you can help a poor kid everywhere.. everybody love music. >> especially when it's played like this. the system's motto is "tocar, hinchar," spanish for "to play and to fight." in venezuela, it's often the same thing. [dramatic finale] ♪ ♪ [cheers and applause] since our report first aired gustavo dudamel became the music director of the los angeles philharmonic. despite taking that prestigious position in september 2009 dudamel continues to work as the artistic director of the simon bolivar orchestra. el sistema continues to thrive as well, both at home and around the world. as of april 2012, more than 25 countries, including the united states, have launched music programs modeled on el sistema. [ticking] coming up: the deadly impact of ivory poaching. do you see any correlation between the decision to auction off the ivory and the number of orphans? >> we do. every time ivory is auctioned legally, there's a rise in poaching. kenya's elephant orphanage, when 60 minutes on cnbc returns. [ticking] [ticking] >> can you im

the hospital was where the poor came to die. here were two rows of 31 beds where the poor lay two or three to a bed. the 15th century was a time of famine, war, and plague. thousands of people could die in a place like this so the chancellor had provided that each patient could look from his bed to the wall above the altar, where there hung a tremendous vision of the end-- the last judgment of roger van der weyden. on the day of judgment the dead rise from the earth to be judged by their savior. christ sits enthroned in glory above the archangel michael, who holds the scales which will weigh the vices and virtues of all who are to be judged on the day of reckoning. saint john the baptist, mary, the 12 apostles, and other holy figures intercede on behalf of the sinners. the lucky few are ushered through a gateway into the kingdom of heaven. this painting was done with bright colors so it could be seen by the sick even from their deathbeds. van der weyden excelled at depicting the inner emotions of his characters, and on christ's

often these poor communities are left with nothing.t their crops, livestock, lost everything. we need a permanent arrangement to help the poorest of the world rebuild from the impacts of climate change. it would be an absolute tragedy if we denied the needs of the poorest. i implore everybody in this room not to allow this cop to be the one we denied the poorest in the world. thank you. >> ian fry. i want to bring in suzanne goldenberg who is still in lima, peru, the us environment correspondent for the guardian. there as the talks wrapped up. the significance of the so-called lima accord and what is this firewall? iswell, the lima accord important, basically, because it keeps moving things forward toward paris. and because it begins to shape the deal we will see in paris. there are a few important things there. one, there is now an obligation or commitment from the bigger developing economies such as india, china, brazil that they will have to cut their greenhouse gas emissions going forward and are going to have to begin putting thei

he said, mommy are we poor?just have a rough time making it. we don't make as much as everybody else. >> she receives from a program for low income. she qualifies by working at a clothing institution. >> i knew i had to do something better for my four children. i'm only eligible for the k tap program for five years after that what am i going to do? what's going to be my income? so i got on a school program. >> in this portion of the country, employment is hard to come by. the largest town in the county sits vacant and overgrown. >> there's no jobs here. i mean, there's nothing. >> with the median income at $22,000, it is one of the poorest counties in america. that's one of the reasonings that more than half of its residents rely on food stamps to make things meet. >> i get out here and work for it. >> the help she relies on each month to feed her family won't fix the problems in this and other places desperate for jobs, industry and growth but for now this hope is one of the last things giving her and her child

>> charity. >> it help it is rich people and charity helps poor people. >> they create poor people. >he problem. capitali capitalism? why don't they get it? >> education. when childrening being caught that capitalism is not only destructive, but immoral, they are less likely to support it. capitalism is a process and an out come of trillions of decisions made by billions of people that caming to in a spontaneous kind of way. it is a little. >> invisible hands. >> it's very difficult for a mind to process it. >> the hunter gatherer can see i shot this animal and i gathered this fruit. >>or minds evolved tens of thousands of years ago. when we lived in small groups between 50 and 200 people. some of that is really just going back to that hunter gathering mentality. and not really comp henting the complexity of the market economy and the complexity had outcased our ability to understand it. >> you can't see how we benefit from the actions. >> it is a little abstract. we benefit from the benevolence of strangers. they are driven by supply ask demand and by the mechanisms. >> when people g

you have to make sure that it's not just a war on poor people. that we have to come up with ways in which we deal with soft drug offensive. i taught in prison for 37 years now. 2/3 of the folks in my class, 150 brothers every friday night. 2/3 are in there for soft drugs. now, if it's soft drugs and 65% of convictions are black and 12% of black and white intake, we have to bring an an end this war on drugs, which is a war on poor folks. but secondly, you also have to have a fair rule of law. we're right back to the obama administration. crimes committed on wall street. market manipulation. insider trading. how many wall street executives went to jail? zero. zero. which means what? you don't really have a rule of law. you have an unjust rule of law as it relates to punitive treatment of poor and the well-to-do get off scot-free. torturers scot-free. wiretappers, scot-free. so it's very clear that we have to have a fair rule of law. i'm not against police. i'm not against rule of law. i just want to make it fair and just. >> i read something recent

middle class and the poor. but they're beating up and demeaning a person that is just in between work or a woman who went bankrupt because she couldn't get health insurance because he wouldn't give it to her or a person in a family that should get health insurance but because he and bobby jindal said no, they have insurance for themselves and their children. they said no to 252,000 -- cassidy: can i respond to -- >> moderator: i need to get a response -- landrieu: so then they go to get food stamps ask now he wants to drug he's them? it's outrageous. cassidy: i didn't want say that. lapp lan yes, you did. socialcassidy: when i say the he voted to allow states to do a pilot program in which automobile-bodied adults, able-bodied adults would have the level of this accountability, we begin to hear all these terrible things about what republicans are about. no, we're trying to protect hard working taxpayers. i'm all for caring for the poor, folks. i've been doing it for 25 years in the charity hospital system and w

, instead -- or poor because we are instable, instead of that we are unstable because we are poor, ande can't count on those wages and we don't know what time we h make it off work, and that makes it hard to get to a babysitter, it's hard to man ten years in the future, when you don't know how much you may make next month. so when you take those stresses zoo account, we know it reduces your ability to handle cognitive things. the buzz word in the business is band with. where it cuts down on the ability that you have to really think things through, the really enjoy your life, because you are so busy worrying about well, what time might i be hope home, and do i need to run off to work again. it is no way to make a life you can survive, you cannot thrive, and that is an important distinction we talk about the american dream, and people not thinking that it exists any more in larger and larger numbers because the american dream was never supposed to be that you can be kim kardashian, or go from rags to riches or even me with a book deal, the american dream is supposed to be that if you are

middle class people and the poor. but they're beating up and demeaning a person that is just in between work or a woman who went bankrupt because she couldn't get health insurance because he wouldn't give it to her or a person or a family that should get health insurance but because he and bobby jindal said no they have insurance for themselves and their children. they said no to 252,000 working people. >> let's get a response -- >> and they get food stamps and now he wants to drug test them. it's outrageous. >> we'll get a response and move on -- >> yes, you did. >> senator land rue firs began by saying that she thinks she voted for drug testing. when i say the house allowed states to do a pilot program in which able bodied adults would have the opportunity to have this level of accountability we began to hear all these terrible things. no, we're trying to protect hard working taxpayers and also bring a measure of accountability. i'm all for caring for poor folks. i've been doing it for 25 years in the charity hospit

on government and stay poor.ut my counsel at the roosevelt institute says no, we need more government aid. more? you almost want more, you guys. trillions isn't enough? >> let's talk about the balance between charity and government. there's never been a period where it was just private charity. the government's always been involved whether it was civil war pensions or mother pensions or the poor house or bankruptcy laws. never a purely private space. john: but it was 99% private. the government was tiny. >> we had a voluntary sector able to provide social insurance. we shouldn't romanticize the past. they provide funeral benefits, maybe sick days, maybe if you are in a big city. >> and we grew the country, became the most prosperous country in the world. from third world to first world. >> what destroyed that is the great depression, when people couldn't work or find jobs, they need more charity, and charity couldn't raise money at that time. so you saw whole system of voluntary societies trying to balance people

of the poor.ow, that said, there's also the issue of transparency. we get the record but actually it was illegal. what do senator had done. it actually violated the ethics law and then a question to follow up with is what i was doing benefited the poor and uninsured, when she used taxpayer dollars to pay for the private charter jets to the campaign, who did not benefit? >> i have to ask you to rep. >> please, let me respond. >> we can't respond at this time. we have questions you can ask one another later, but i think we better stick with the format here. let me follow follow-up, congressman. as i understand, this was supposed to be documented. did you personally find these -- sign these timesheets? and the other question i have is louisiana's colorful political history, if you will, is there understandable that it would be some questions raised about some potential for abuse in some cases if there were no safeguards when a congressman was employed by an entity of state government? >> it's a under

. >> some americans say be hurts poor people. >> might be the problem that creates so many poor people. john: famous actors tell united nations that fossil fuels will kill us. >> here right now. john: it is? in people believe all kinds of things. >> do you believe in ghosts? >> i do. >> yes, people have seen ghosts. >> i don't need proof. john: no proof. >> be reasonable, ha is our show tonight. john: we like to think we're rational creatures, logical. >> you could krurz ing your a rl person. >> i am. >> very. >> i don't know about him. >> so many americans believeus . do you believe in ghosts. >> yes. >> people have seen ghosts. >> the house i grew up in los angeles had a ghost. >> since my mom died, i believe she is around, i feel she is around, and my mother-in-law, i don't need proof for it. john: she doesn't need proof for it, more than a third of americans believe in ghosts, almost as many believe in astology, their futures can be predicted based on positions that stars were in when they were born. do you believe in astrology? >> absolutely. >> yeah, i am deep into it. john: why?

all of these girls were poor. many of them had moms who had some drug issues and poor white america, the drug problem tended to be centered around the abuse of the description of painkillers like oxycontin would be an example of that. so i found out that many of my young students, some of them like eight, nine, 10 years old had moms who were doing drugs and as a common factor among the girls. >> host: how did that affect their outlook on life? their dreams as you say? >> guest: for many of these girls, they were when i was to discover as a teacher was for many of these girls, they were essentially orphans. they became orphans to oxycontin and american poverty. so i was their teacher. we have a world-class. the class became like a family to them and they became kind of like sisters. i was a teacher. i sometimes had to be teacher lee m. stern and stuff, but it became like family. at one point, two of the girls and one of them was blair. the other one was adriano. they put their arms around one another and said we ar

compassion to the poor ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: jesus said you will have the poor always. >> that's right. >> stephen: doesn't that mean give up on the poor? >> and on judgment day he will judge you, mister, in terms of how you related to the poor. >> stephen: i'm ready. see me shake. you see me shake? it's going to take more than the judgment day to worry me, mister. my conscious is clear. i sleep the sleep of the just. >> guilty people are always like that. and the truth is you don't have to worry about judgment day. you have to worry about what will happen to you after judgment day. >> stephen: what about this? what about the gay agenda. the left is all about the gay agenda. the gays are out to destroy marriage and you're a democrat. therefore, you think the same thing. >> the truth is marriage is in trouble in this country. >> stephen: because gays are threatening us. >> it's because the heterosexuals are getting divorces. the gays want to get mafer married. >> stephen: so they can get divorced too. they are jealous of our divorces. >> all they want is the same privile

let's fight for the poor.icies that will actually get that done, which incidentally will also be disproportionately paid for by rich people and corporations. what do today and we will see tremendous progress in the social justice in america. >> host: crazy e-mails to you has a solution for the high cost of a college education? do you need a college education to get a job, please do not tell me manufacturing jobs are coming back. >> guest: manufacturing jobs are not coming back. manufacturing is a good percentage of the value of the american economy than it was 30 years ago but it is one eighth of the jobs. you are right. it's just less job intensive as a part of the economy. education is critically important coming, and we need a couple of different reforms. .. >> guest: thomas edison state college in new jersey which was, i did my whole college degree by correspondence and finished when i was about 30 which i mentionem a little bit earlier.e if it hadn't been for that little competition, i wouldn't have been

you know for 175 years, the little sisters of the poor cared for the elderly, poor and dying people whodon't have anywhere else to go and in the last days and care for the folks of the catholic faith and different faith and people of no faith and now the government said that is not good enough. if this kind of service inspired by their catholic faith is not religious service i don't know what it is. >> i was thinking knowing the little sisters of the poor if they are not religious there is not a baptist in america that has a shot. this is astonishing to me. you are going before the 10th circuit court of appeals and tell us what you hope will happen. >> the little sister's case is just this. the laws and constitutions of the united states do not permit the federal government to force a catholic nun to violate the church's teaching just to go on caring for the sick and poor. that's what the federal government wants. they are requesting them to provide drugs and devices that contradict catholic church teaching or authorize their insurance company to provide it on behalf of the little siste

i did not even really know poor people. when i woke up to what the gospel is really about thomas going and being with people, when i moved into the same top house in the project, it was like going to a different country. i found out when i did research there were more complaints to the justice department about police brutality in new orleans, louisiana, van and any other city. if you are living in the suburbs, that could be calcutta. you are so removed from the experience. public school kids coming into the adult learning center. juniors that could not read third grade. nobody had health care. people were dying. young men did not know they had high blood pressure and destroying their kidneys. then they are on dialysis the rest of their life. and one so angry dialysis. what happens when you don't have health care? when i first went there, we had a great sister who had started hope house. helen, you don't have to have this plan in your back pocket about how you will eliminate poverty. neighbor and let them teach you. african-

if you are poor, it is your fault. if you are in prison, you must have done something to deserve it. to let go of that stereotype may mean they have to think differently about their role. i am in the bravery business. our job is to make people brave enough to let go of these old ideas that hold us back. for many of us who came up in that era, everything they taught me in church and in civics class, i witnessed as a young man on the streets of america in the 1960's. this is a country where you fight about things, where you are you about things. and you are political about things and you ran for office if you thought you could change things. to me, that is what i thought it meant to be an american. that is the role i have chosen for myself. i came wanting to open a nightclub, but i went out one night, and i apologize because i tell the story too often, but i went by the state department on virginia avenue to serve people who are poor. again, there have always been people on the fringe of america, but this was becoming so

john: some americans say business hurts poor people. >> might be the problem to create poor people. john: famous actors tell the united nations fossil fuels will kill us. >> accelerated climate change is here right now. john: it is? some people believe all kinds of things. you believe in ghosts? >> yes, people have seen ghosts, i don't need proof for it. john: no proof? be reasonable. that's our show tonight. and now, john stossel. john: we like to think that we are rational creatures, we're logical, we form our beliefs based on facts. >> you consider yourself a rational person? >> very rational. i don't know about him, i'm very rational. >> rational? yeah, absolutely. john: so many americans believe ridiculous things! >> do you believe in ghosts? >> yes. >> yes. >> people have seen ghosts. >> the house i grew up in los angeles had a ghost. >> since my mom died i believe she's around. i feel that she's around and my mother-in-law. i don't need proof for it. john: she doesn't need proof for it? pollsters say more than a third of americans believe in ghosts and almost as many believe

class and the poor. but they're beating up and a person that is just who tween work or a woman went bankrupt because she couldn't get health insurance ecause he wouldn't give it to her or a person in the family who should get health insurance ut because he and bobbie said no they have insurance for themselves and their children. 252,000 working people. >> i need to get a response. stampshey go to get food now he wants to drug test them it's outrageous. --i didn't say >> yes, you did. >> i didn't say people on food stamps. senator first began by saying she thinks she voted for drug testing for welfare recipients. when i say that the house voted o allow states to do a pilot program in which able bodied adults would have the opportunity to have this level account act we begin to hear all these terrible things about represent caps are b we're hard to protect hard working measure of act ability. to do ully will continue so. i'm aware of their struggles. >> we have to move on. continuing along that line with h

>> when government gets involved to help the poor the poor very sell come are the beneficiary of thatnment program. it is a big hospital where the folks are lining their pockets they own their money. our prices are less than what they say. they take care of the pour aor their healthcare. >> pef prices 5 other places nearly began posting prices. >> they form the national association over 200 members on the free market medical association. these are popping up all over the country bracing the wisdom of the free market applying that business model. >> thank you dr. smith. coming up where i give my charity money. ...and the wolf was huffing and puffing... kind of like you sometimes, grandpa. well, when you have copd, it can be hard to breathe. it can be hard to get air out, which can make it hard to get air in. so i talked to my doctor. she said.. doctor: symbicort could help you breathe better, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. symbicort helps provide significant improvement of your lung function. symbicort is for copd, including c

their lax morals and poor parenting skills.ildren, same woman. eight, ten different husbands or whatever. pretty soon you're going to have to have dna cards so you can tell who you're making love to. you don't know who this is. might be your grandmother. my god. a took a lot of heat from black america for my book, as many black folk defended his views as organic conservatism and nothing more than you'd hear from your uncle or things you'd pick up at the local barbershop. well, there's a good reason your uncle isn't on television offing analysis and sharp arguments. while your local barbershop may be entertaining, it isn't the training ground for progressive gender views. recently his world has come crashing in on him. the ultra aurter of respectability politics has been alleged as a serial rapist. a man who allegedly dropped drugs in women's drinks over the last 40 years and sexually abused them or otherwise assaulted them against their wills and often while they were in varying states of consciousness or unconsciousness. i thi