. >> pop weil, how long have you been working that danielle allen on this book quite >> i've been working two to three years on this boat. i've known her a bit longer. it is the major work. the serious historianhistorian s and critics are paying attention to it. the new material in that will surprise people and we can impart what it means and why does the declaration of independence means of it to everyone. he shows that it's really about equality. >> what is your background in publishing? >> i've been in publishing about her to five years. i've worked with a lot of historians. at some a lot of serious nonfiction and literary fiction. you know, many of the books had done that for which philosophers, historians which i to-do books of consequence that matter and that will last. >> finally, can we please without talking about coming out by france's person. it doesn't look like a coffee table book. >> no, francis larsen has done a history of severed head, how they've been severed and also whose collected them, with his men throughout history. she does it so seriously from how they were used f