viewers are well aware of sopa the stop online piracy act making its way through the house the protect ip act it's making its way through the senate to bills that are being sold as copyright protecting legislation which in fact don't actually combat piracy and instead allow the government to blacklist websites and as many have described it break the internet as we know it with their d.n.a. as filtering provisions to bills for which the opposition continues to grow by the day it's a building for months and we have documented it every step of the way for you last week we saw breakthroughs in that even members of congress the authors of these bills seemingly realizing that they might be becoming political liabilities and then this weekend the white house released a statement saying that they would not support the legislation as it is saying that their analysis of the d.m.'s filtering provisions suggest that they pose a real risk to cyber security and yet leave contraband goods and services accessible online now there is of course some nuance in the white house position which we'll get into i

now it's getting to a few more details as to what exactly is happening on this over and protect ip front the white house is. against these pieces of legislation but are they guessed all of it or is it just the t.n.s. filtering rupert murdoch has decided to join the fight by taking to twitter and attacking both obama and google but is this one battle the old man is destined to lose so by antipas supporters like harry reid and the top lawyer for n.b.c. universal have been peddling a few myths about the legislation which we need to break down and wikipedia has announced that they are going to blackout their site on january eighteenth so the opposition is proving they will not rest so let's analyze some of these developments joining me to discuss it is declan mccullagh chief political correspondent for seen at second thanks for joining us tonight and first i guess what your comments on the white house coming out this week and releasing this statement that as it is they will not support these pieces of legislation resupplies it all. a little surprised because they announced their opposition i

for this cause to this past sunday he was asked about protect ip on n.b.c.'s meet the press david gregory asked him why is pushing so hard for this bill to go through despite the growing outcry and here's what harry reid had to say. for having a very important piece of legislation important to this network right here p. and that's a course to be with informational with with making sure that we have intellectual property that is protected and we need to do that and that's also job saving so that's what we need to work on things create jobs and protect the american economy . we're on to you you just try to say this is a job creator we've told our viewers time and time again that this bill has nothing to do with jobs if anything it's going to hurt more jobs in silicon valley's and than elsewhere and don't forget that is there is going fast is that it will rescue jobs in hollywood we've told you before you know why they're hiring few people fewer people in hollywood it's because the numbers prove that the executives are raking in the big bucks with less staff so

earlier today reid said in light of recent events i've decided to postpone tuesday's vote on the protect ip act they are both listed now as delayed meaning that they could be brought back brought back or left to die but for now there are no plans in either house or the senate to vote or further debate on either bill so that's basically a tally in the will win column after all harry reid was just on meet the press last sunday extolling the virtues of pippa as a job creating bill and he's not the only one the thinking is we'll see senator chuck schumer pick a sponsor also took to twitter to tell opponents that congress is in fact paying attention to its constituents tweet it you've been hurt it has been pulled so we can find a better solution and we should note that pippa sisters bill sr bill sopa has also been tabled by congressman lamar smith all i can say is holy cow congress is actually listened to with constituents for once after months of growing public outcry opposition from almost every tech company and embarrassing house judiciary committee hearing and the white house coming out agai

obviously, protect ip has considerable support as well. we saw it pass the senate commerce committee fairly, with bipartisan support, and you've threatened to filibuster it. first of all, do you believe that the bill as it now stands has a strong chance of passing the senate, and secondly, can you speak to the support for the bill? very strong from the entertainment industry, the retail industry. do you think they can be convinced that the open act is the correct solution? >> guest: we know that we are up against one of the most sophisticated and savvy and powerful lobbies in the united states, and they've been at it a long time. they've poured millions of dollars into their various and sundry lobbying and campaign efforts, and frankly, we know that our side is going to have to fight above our weight. this is going to be a tough battle. but if you look at what's happened in the last couple of, couple of weeks, certainly well over a million americans have signed petitions against these bills, and people are coming to understand what some of

of the protests by thousands of websites on january eighteenth successfully made their point the protect ip and sopa are not the answers to concerns about music and piracy but it's not just me that surprised us in fact last night in the debate all four of the republican presidential candidates also expressed opposition to the bills. well i favor freedom. and i think that if you you know i think you will have more first we have copyright law if any company finds that it is genuinely been infringed upon it has the right to sue for but the idea that we're going to preemptively have the government start censoring the internet on behalf of giant corporations in a common interest trade music exactly the wrong thing to do the. truth of the matter is that the law as written is far too intrusive far too expansive far too threatening the freedom of speech and movement of information across the internet it would have a potentially depressing impact on one of the fastest growing industries in america i was the first republican to sign on with a host of democrats to oppose this law i mean i'm i'm for fr

now over the last few months we've documented for you the growing opposition to sopa and protect ip you know those nice little pieces of legislation in the house in the senate that would allow the government to seek orders telling i as p.s. ad networks paint processors to blacklist websites that are considered broke and dedicated to infringing activities not only are all the tech giants opposed but so are hundreds of legal scholars think even tanks. the conservative heritage foundation we've also seen the reddit community playing influential role in their anger got the go daddy to refer as their support and now they're even promising to target specific politicians the plan to vote yes but believe it or not there are still people that are joining the other ranks the boston globe for example just last week editorialized in favor stressing of the billions in losses due to copyright infringement so let's settle a few things once and for all as in how much actually guest gets lost in terms of jobs and revenue and why these bills won't really stop piracy anyway her disgust with me is joined s

going on in the radar none of these congress members really think to have an issue with either protect ip or sopa until everyone else made a fuss so it seems like they're caving to a certain type of political pressure. yes absolutely i mean like i said i think these bills got dropped so quickly that senators and know what they were signing up for you know everybody hears what we want to stop internet piracy and everybody is for that but didn't realize how broad these bills were and how many millions of innocent users they were in effect and how much free speech was going to censor and read it has been amazing like you said you know they they started the whole go daddy movement and within forty eight hours they had go daddy change their position and as soon as that happened they turned their sights on politicians they went after paul ryan first who had you know kind of been wavering one way or the other he wasn't a real supporter but soon he was putting out a statement saying he was in a spot sponsor and then a few days later he was saying no actually i'm against it so they've had real suc

was half heartedly congratulating the mainstream media for finally paying attention to sopa and protect ip because let's face it yesterday was pretty hard to ignore the country was up in arms over not being able to get all of their questions answered by going to pedia but after welcoming it to the mainstream media to this real world where the rest of us live and talk about the issues that actually affect our lives i also predicted yesterday that it wasn't going to last long. by today they'd be back to their useless nonsense and what do you know i was right now this isn't really a testament to my awesome powers of seeing the future not as much so as it is a sad state of affairs about how utterly predictable our mainstream media has become even when they do take a little break from their usual partisan he said she said just for a few hours even for a full day to report on a different story they never follow up so let me do a little follow up for you because this massive protests that we saw nationwide with black out of sight with people calling into the offices and crashing web sites of memb

looks like spain unfortunately gave in hopefully we won't see the same thing happen with self or protect ip here at home so keep fighting. all right still to come tonight my fireside friday and that unhappy out ahead health affect their grades in school and somebody has stolen musical instruments from my old high school to really get into all that after the break. into i don't really know what the mechanism to do the work of bringing justice for accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as they care is now a version of american exceptionalism. you know i sometimes see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here sees some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tough hard welcome to the big picture. before. the. bottom of the capitol and i'm laura mr. either the we the the roughing. what a protester nobody seems to know. that never a pepper sprayed the face but part of the argument that they're being o

now on january eighteenth we saw a day of online protests that at least for now killed so and protect ip two pieces of legislation they were working their way through the house and the senate they were sold as anti-piracy measures but in fact threaten the freedom of the internet as we know it now aside from google wikipedia and other big websites taking part we also saw the reddit community play a huge role and pressuring not only businesses like go daddy to change their stance but also members of congress like paul ryan well guess what they're not stopping there the community has now come up with a proposed plan to create a piece of legislation called the free internet act and ideas are already flowing so it's just a fun experiment or might we see a piece of legislation coming up from lawmakers but from the people well joining me to discuss it is alexis ohanian co-founder of reddit alexis nice to have you back on the show tonight if you can you know let's start give us a little bit of explanation with how this all happened somebody decided to just come up with an idea said hey let's tal

like spain unfortunately gave in but hopefully we won't see the same thing happen with self or protect ip here at home. i thought of. friday and happy hour if you tell the fact they're great in school and somebody has stolen musical instruments from my old high school so we get into all of that after the break. you. are this is our time. to reclaim the american dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth that out of many we all want that war we breathe the we hope. to me the american dream is to live in peace and prosperity and freedom and a government under socialism is not a government a free. to. you. you have very motivated people i'll cross the country who are activists who are willing to fight for what they think is right for themselves but the fact is. we're brick and. i. think. we are counting in proper counting and i think it's spreading. it's cutting off our. it's making the marker see. pos. i had a family i lived in the failing nice community wasn't rich was an upscale it was just like you know our society ok then they started showing up what happened was my company decided i cou

legislation are probably going to have to face the music you see those that are anti so an anti protect ip have made many public lists featuring those lawmakers that stand behind the broad sweeping internet censorship bills and they've been very successful in organizing petitions on the internet to protest the proposed laws at the end of december we told you about plans on reddit to boycott go daddy for their support of sopa and protect ip by calling on their customers to move their domains to a different location and ultimately the pressure led to go daddy withdrawing its support of the copyright protecting laws but now we're seeing it similar momentum with actual lawmakers take paul ryan for example after reading has learned that the republican representative didn't have a clear stance on sopa they actually raised money for ryan's congressional opponent and that pressure alternately caused ryan to release a statement explaining that he is not a co-sponsor of this bill and it even forced him to come out against sopa just yesterday but ryan's four stance is unique to the g.o.p. lawmakers d

. >> reporter: the two bills, the stop online piracy act and the protect ip act aim to curb illegal down loads and streams of copy righted movies and tv shows, the main target, sites overseas, the legislation had been expected to move quickly through hill committees but laiders said wednesday they there is still a lot to be discussed. >> clear to many of us that there is a lack of consense us. >> reporter: tech leaders argue sites would be exposed to to many lawsuits. >> you are creating a situation that is nearly impossible for alarm sites but totally impossible for the next facebook. >> reporter: supporters say it's important to protect copy right material and with it american jobs. the motion picture association of america said neither of these bills stop free expression but focus on illegal conduct which is not free speech. facebook and twitter oppose the legislation but did not join in the blackouts. s.o.p. a was a hot topic wednesday. in washington. >> we have a look at what's coming up tonight. is the coverage of the cruise ship accident making you rethink vacation plans in this m

these are senators who were co-sponsors of protect ip in the stat. of them now oppose their own bill. so victory but there may be other bills in the works. certainly the senate has learned the power of angry internet users. >> no kidding. the power of the website masses. >> indeed. >> still ahead on "today in the bay," the 9ers' good fortune is having a ripple effect. >> san francisco's sheriff goes to court today. >> here comes the rain again. we have a wet pattern that lasts all the way through wednesday of next week. i'll detail when those showers arrive and how much we expect. pretty impressive numbers on the way. >> 101 along the peninsula through san mateo is clear. i'll show you an issue i'm tracking. could be a probl .g sejothinh sarojose. so, this is delicious okay... is this where we're at now, we just eat whatever tastes good? like these sweet honey clusters... actually there's a half a day's worth of fiber in every ... why stop at cereal? bring on the pork chops and the hot fudge. fantastic. are you done sweetie? yea [ male announcer ] fi

the stop online privacy act and pipa, the protect ip act. both bills are aimed at protecting hollywood and content providers battle online piracy. >> this act is going to hurt property because it's trying to break the internet and sort of stop the desemination of what aught to be out there and free for everybody. >> if passed, the bills would give the government and content creators new powers to block websites containing copy write material. also supported by the cbs corporation, parent of cnet and cbs 5. >> what they will do is require u.s. internet service providers to pretend that these don't exist, virtually disappear. >> another site going dark for the protest and sites like craigslist and google will be posting informational notices, but will remain available for users. sanchez says any new law is a good thing. >> it's the law. why not put it on a website for breaking the law. >> but lorenzo hernandez does not think the protest will make much of a difference. >> i think it's ineffective and i think it only frustrates the users of those

. >> reporter: the house bill is called sopa, stop online piracy, and pipa in senate, protect ip act. >> what these bills will do is require u.s. service internet providers to pretend that these allegedly pirate websites don't exist to disappear from the internet. >> reporter: the film and tv industry support the bills. some internet sites are against it. >> it's like saying there are bad books in the library so lock the whole thing. >> reporter: others are joining wikipedia in protest. also, google plans on a homepage protest link. >> you can have 10 million phone calls to the u.s. congress in one day. this has never happened before in the history of american politics this kind of direct net-inspired action. >> reporter: one company that isn't joining the blackout is twitter. the ceo says that wikipedia's decision was foolish. in san francisco, i'm kara tsuboi, cnet.com for cbs news. >>> attacks are fast and furious. which republican candidate just got a high-profile boost just days before the south carolina primary. >> family members begin to live on giglio island as hope of finding

cheeseburger network, the companies are protesting two different bills, the stock online privacy act and protect ip. the bills are heavily supported by a wide group of copyright owners. webb, said companies in human rights groups are on the other side, charging that the bills will hurt the technology industry and infringe on free speech. >>pam: is still ahead, gary radnich is joined by jamie williams. they will break down this year's playoff game. alex smith made history on saturday doing something not even joe montana or steve young ever did. gary has that story and all the sports coming up. >>stanley: this trash was pushed against a fence until someone could clean it up. it was just trashed, the company would not care, but this trash and up someplace else. this is candlestick point. a state park next to candlestick. with the trash left behind, when this is a decade of low across the road and got lodged in a bush. if you looked up you could see plastic bags in trees. there are a lot of plastic bags that make their way from the parking lot to the park. it is not just plastic bags and diapers, it is

wikipedia and google took steps to protest sopa and pipa today, the stop online piracy act and the protect ip act aimed at stopping illegal downloading of copyrighted material, movies, music and books. >> the websites are hurting american jobs, stealing american jobs, harming american consumers and have no business being on the internet. >> if you think of facebook, twitter, google and ebay, et cetera, people put things, users put things, on to company sites and companies can't control that. well, they could by censorship and that's what we want to avoid. >> what makes unauthorized streaming of any copyrighted material punishable up to five years in prison and it also makes internet service providers immune to prosecution if they turn people in. >> we have got to do some serious bundling. >> we do, we do. >> bundling. >> it's 20, 25 degrees colder than it was this time yesterday. >> yes. >> so it's a temperature correction as we like to say. we're looking at temperatures kind of in the average range for the next several days. our live weather cam brought to you by michael and son, nice job of

and mass internet blackout in protest over the potential new laws to stop online piracy act and protect ip act were designed to curb illegal downloading and protect copyright but critics say they would lead to censorship of the internet trevor tam from the electronic frontier foundation says americans are seeing the news as a real victory in a battle for online freedom. we saw over one hundred fifteen thousand sites somehow alter their web pages or somewhat alter what their web pages a lot of them blacked out completely meaning that users couldn't even gets them including with a pedia which is the sixth largest us this huge huge mess a message to congress you know most of the american public hadn't even heard about these bills before the blackout day and once these sites blacked out everybody started calling their congress men and e-mailing them we had sent out over one hundred e-mails on a million e-mails just that one day google got seven million signatures on their petition and so by the end of the day we had a huge swing in congress so it was a major victory for you know that there's a

they are called sopa, stop online piracy act, and pipa, the protect ip act, aimed at helping hollywood and other big content providers battle online privacy. if passed, the bills would give the government and content cree iters new powers to block websites containing copyrighted material. that legislation is also supported by the cbs corporation, parents of cbs 5. now, popular websites wikipedia and read it are going dark today. other sites like craigslist and google are posting informational notices on their home pages but they are still available for users. these bills are in part about protecting intellectual property but opponents say they interfere with free speech. >> really i think this act is going to hurt intellectual property because it's trying to break the internet and stop the dissemination of what should be free. >> it has to be done. you go to jail if you break the law. >> reporter: the blackout of these websites will last until midnight tonight. both of these controversial bills were scheduled for votes in committees of the house and senate later this month. but now it

they're against net neutrality they say because they want the government out of it well in fact protect ip act would cost taxpayers forty seven million dollars private sector much more the justice department anticipates it would need to hire twenty two special agents and twenty six support staff to execute its new investigative responsibilities under the bill that would be ten million dollars per year just for the government doesn't count the forty four thousand dollars a year on average it costs to lock somebody up in prison but here the conservative population wants an expansion they want more federal agents to be enforcing these laws but a bigger concern is that the private eye s.p.'s are also having to enforce this so they don't know however the c b o said that it wouldn't be possible for them to estimate those costs because there is uncertainty about how often and against whom the department of justice or copyright holders would use the authority max how often do you think they'll use that authority one hundred percent of the phone because they are able to turn a profit in a business