punchbowl's conclusion is probably not. but how do you see this playing out? testimony highlighted just how important it would be to hear from mark meadows and pat cipollone. she raised some very unusual circumstances. when meadows refused to open the car door when she wanted to talk with him, he closed it on her twice, when she alerted him to the presence of weapons and he was unfazed by that as if he already knew, when she told him the capitol had been breached and he needed to do something, he shrugged and said trump doesn't want to do anything. she raised some really important questions. she had secondhand information based on what those men were saying to her about their conversations with president trump. but they're the ones who had those conversations. it behooves all of us to hear what they had to say. even if they won't testify before the january 6th committee, you can bet the justice department is interested in talking to them, they will serve them with subpoenas. the department of justice can grant them immunity and they will be compelled to testif

joining us with the very late jake sherman co-founder of punchbowl and msnbc contributor.pitol hill, the team says the deal is 98% done. what do you hear? >> reporter: your capitol hill team is excellent, and you're right, the deal is very, very close. there's a couple of things to keep in mind. number one, time is of the essence. they want to get it done before the july 4 recess. if we accountant to see text today, tomorrow, somewhere in that time frame, we're headed into a weekend session on capitol hill or next week. those things are possible. although the leadership would like to avoid it. they might not be able to. number two, there are odds and ends that need to be tied up. number one, we reported in punchbowl news, and there's some disagreement over the hite amendment. it prevents that into a gun bill. when that comes up at the end of the debate that usually means they're close because they have that argument for every single bill and there's not many issues left over. last week, the bill teamed like it was teetering. this week, it's close once again, we could, coul

well according to reporting from punchbowl news, house democrats don't have enough votes to pass that though they have the majority. joining us now is representative village accidentally of jackson, she is also the house of judiciary committee and one of the lead cosponsors on that package that protect kids act, that package of legislation as i mentioned that was introduced today. congresswoman lee thank you so much for joining us tonight. let me just get your reaction to the reporting that democratic leadership cannot find the votes to pass an assault rifle ban. is that correct? can you set the record straight for us on that? >> well, first of all, thank you for having me and let me just say that, we've got to do everything we can to stop the war on our children. the killing of our children, the slaughter of our children, the carnage of our children. it is because of democrats that we are even where we are today which, is this massive package, this ominous bill that we should be addressing. this coming week. the question of the assault weapons ban is not off the table. it frankly if

according to punchbowl news, at least one of the two potential witnesses tampering messages presentedwas sent to hutchison. and because those close to trump could not dissuade her from providing her damning account of what she saw in the white house, people in trump world are now attempting to cast doubt over her testimony. specifically, her recollection of what another white house aide told her about the former president lunging at a secret service agent in an attempt to take the steering wheel, and head to the capitol on january the 6th. today, hutchinson's lawyer told msnbc that she stands by her account. but whether or not trump did throw a fit over not being driven to the capital is actually largely beside the point, compared to her testimony that donald trump desperately wanted to march and lead a mob that he knew was armed to the capitol. joining us now is the california congresswoman and member of the january 6th committee. thank you for being with us this evening. cassidy hutchison is standing by her testimony as sources who were close to the secret service claim that ornato

and so, he told his wife, he said, there is a punchbowl over there, and if, unbeknownst to me, you could slip a little bit of that whiskey into the punch, then i could drink it in good conscience, and all would be well. well, since lincoln, if somehow mr. davies could slip out of the country unbeknownst to me, then much of our problem would go away. the institution of the presidency changed dramatically at the end of the 19th century, in the beginning of the 20th century. through the 19th century, the president and the presidency were not at the center of american political life. they were not expected to be. but the constitution, congress is supposed to be, what's supposed to be the leading institution. the president was simply the chief executive. he would execute the will of congress. and most presidents of the 19th century followed that model. there are only a couple, really, of 19 century presidents that people remember. andrew jackson, abraham lincoln, maybe -- i don't know, thomas jefferson if you like him. james polk have his fan club. but for the most part, presidents of the 19t

i want to give credit to our colleagues at "punchbowl news." they were the first to break this. were able to quickly confirm it and we had been chasing this news all day today. hutchinson is a significant figure, don. as i alluded to in our report earlier before we were officially able to nail down hutchinson as the witness, this is someone who we have heard from as part of these hearings. she has shown up, video clips of her from her closed-door depositions it that took place with the committee where she has talked about the things she learned as being someone that was in very close proximity to mark meadows after the election and leading up to the events of january 6th. if you are trying to place her, the most obvious would be she was the witness who detailed that list of republican lawmakers who saw pardons through the trump administration in the closing days of their time in the white house. so she is significant. the other thing, too, don, two really important things that i think are important and could lend some information about just how revealing she may be in her testim

joining us is punchbowl co-founder john bresnahan. 98% there? >> yeah. they're getting there. they're pretty close. now there was a hang-up last week, they had hang-ups over a couple of issues, one was the so-called boyfriend loophole. whether they could keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers who are romantically involved with a victim but not married or, you know, just dating. and then there was the issue about how do they funnel some federal money to states that have crisis intervention programs but not red flag laws. there was some hang-up on that. looks like they got it worked out over the weekend. we reported this morning they were back on track. you guys are saying this bill could be coming today. not sure today, early tomorrow. but there is some hope that they can get this bill done the end of the week. i don't think that will happen. i don't think they'll get it through the senate by the end of the week. but they -- they potentially could get it going if they wanted to stay longer, they could. they're supposed to leave

joining me now, cofounder of punchbowl news, john bresnahan.tics residents collar. here for me onset, is house of the -- california congresswoman, maxine waters, thank you all very much for coming back to the sunday show. congresswoman waters, since you are a member of congress, and you are here on set with me, let me get your initial reaction to the news coming out of washington that there is a tentative deal on some form of gun safety legislation. >> this is a little bit of a breakthrough. we have been hampered for so many years by those on the right from having a gun torn control of, and now following what happened in texas and buffalo, i think that there is a breakthrough here. i understand with the agreement is. it might not be as comprehensive as some of us would like it to be. i consider its progress. i am anxiously waiting for it to be exposed to the public so they can see that we are making movements on gun control laws. >> john, you have covered congress for decades. you know how the hill works. you know these folks. the idea that the