what does that say about the putin system? is privatizes the risk with the reward of pratt -- the pattern that we see now that has been in place since the beginning this is not a system in which parents treat the industrial base of the capitalist economy. this is a system where parents are robbed by state ratings whose sole position is determined by their relationship and value detraction is extremely important part of the picture most of the academic world has spent the last 20 years focusing on democracy in russia democracy building sustaining, failing the ninth on authoritarianism succeeding in that basic conclusion that i came to is russia is not a system under putin of accidental autocrats the system created with a purpose by intelligent design from the very beginning of the regime. was started off this project to find the authoritarian moments with the idea of when did they decide to do with a clearly had done? 2004 i went back to 2000 and realized mainly looking and elections at the time that even the 2000 election was

putin calls them illegal.tter the economic sprinkle hold of sanctions, kiev's fiscal problems stemming from the war are hurting them, too. what might change the situation? joining us in that conversation from kiev, michael, spokesperson for the organization of security and corporation and europe's special monitoring system in ukraine. and from london, atilia donachie, from a global advisory firm. michael, if i can begin with you, we've heard from nato this week, and we have seen pictures of what appears to be heavy russian weaponry again moving across the border into ukraine. the organization's security that you represent have you been able to confirm where those tanks and other weapons are coming from? do you know if they are, indeed, russian? >> well, good to be with you. and we have about 300 observers throughout ukraine and half of them are now in the eastern part of ukraine. and i'll tell you what we have not been seeing, and that is a withdraw of heavy weaponry as put forth in the documents of early sept

what do you think of vladimir putin ? >> well, i refer to putin among others. but russia when you look at its history has always needed an external enemy. they are not able to rule their company without an enemy. these were the people from chen chechia chechnya, the poles. this is the philosophy and it has to be changed. and this is not the right time for such philosophy. and we are not able to afford such losses. and rule through enemy. and russia has to change its philosophy of that necessary enemy. >> you remember a time when even in poland there was not a free press. now. vladimir putin is very popular in russia for his action he becaus sbecause it seems the people fel he is defending russia and greater russia. do you think he would have more support? >> definitely. the support he gets nowadays is smaller but russia may like it in a certain way. the additional problem for russia is that they used to be a superpower as ussr. they lost that position and now only superpower is the u.s.a. but i also refer to weapons, to the economy, to the moral and social and

lou: him buying putin?> yes, and longer term of short-term if i may, is that he wants a land bring to crimea -- land carte bridge to crimea. that just shuts eastern ukraine. ukraine off from the east it does. now, nuclear forces, capable it capable-forces that is not about kiev government, this is about us, he is signaling to us, if we want to try to escalate, he is ready for anything, he knows we'll back down, 8 bank brigades -- tank brigades that tells me he is getting ready for a third big bite, crimea, and eastern ukraine, and you know, putin has a great strength and a great weakness, that weakness he does not understand economics, and strength is he does not understand economics, high does not give a dam, the ruble is crashing, his attitude, is russia suffered worst, we'll get 3 thisthrough this and this juss him more aggressive. >> i wish we had more time. i won't ask you to speculate on the outcome. we have no idea. i want to under line everything that we're talking about here is from general breed l

vladimir putin lost a generation of ukrainians and it is not just anti vladimir putin bod entire russian. we have seen the last seven months what the russians have done, what vladimir putin has done and russians haven't spoken against it. in the long term i don't think that is healthy because russia and ukraine are neighbors. that won't genes. this question, everything vladimir putin has done has pushed the ukrainian people away but this idea that somehow he thinks he can get them back in three four years raises the question does he understand what is going on in ukraine and outside the borders of russia? >> i want to turn to ambassador jim collins, the american ambassador in russia reserved as a long time russia expert. angela's suggestions that at a time of crisis the united states it had an effective channel so we can talk and we can listen. i ask this because if you read the book called all of us agree we had to oppose vladimir putin but keep the channel open to him non iran, afghanistan, north korea, counterterrorism and the middle east. do you agree with angela's suggesting? how do

you are a long-time putin watcher and you've written about putin about his motivations.what does he want? what is he trying to achieve strategically by this very big move into both crimea being destabilized the major state? >> as i said question what does he want to achieve but really when you listen to him and you see what rush is doing we know what they don't want. so let me just agree with what strobe said. i think this is the worst crisis in relations with russia since before mikhail gorbachev came to power and i think when you go back to putin this is the culmination of probably from his point of view at least 22 years or 25 years of frustration, feelings of humiliation. after all remembered he was in the gdr serving as a kgb officer and when the wall came down seeing all of that happened, coming back to the soviet union and having them lost his country and feeling if one is to believe what he says that for the past 22 years russia has suffered a series of humiliations. so i sat there a few weeks ago when he delivered his three-hour bromide against the united states

putin. he said, quote -- i think that's what he meant by shirt fronting, the prime minister as he threatened mr. putin. >> absolutely right. putin is like a little spoiled and able sociopath whose parents have never given him any limits, and he's able to run across yoour asia to include the administration who are willing to confront him. in order to contain isis, you have to kill them. that's the only way they can be pushed back. russia is different, inept. it has a thin veneer and rotten to the core. putin knows that, military know that. and all it would take on the part of the eu, nato and the united states is a little pushback. train the ukrainians, give them first class weapons. the administration has been talking about that for months and hasn't done it. we could turn this around in the 11th hour, but frankly, i don't know anyone who's willing to do it. lou: well, certainly this president isn't willing to do it. angela merkel isn't willing to do it. david cameron. when we go through wha

putin vladimir putin ♪ ♪ vladimir putin vladimir putin ♪ ♪ i go hard like vladimir putin go hard like of the song is supposed to be uplifting. the only person we could actually think about who's actually going hard in life was vladimir putin. >> and of course, we live in russia. that's the person we see the most. we don't go hard like david cameron because i don't live in england. >> vladimir putin. >> i personally like the guy. most presidents are puppets. and you see that most presidents are forced into things by the west even if he doesn't want to do that. true, he does sport. he does judo. just the way he holds himself, with his team behind him, is manly. >> a number of attacks has gone down. the peak was in 2007 to 2008 for physical violence, and so we are seeing less people being jumped by gngs of youth or people being attacked by skinheads. we are still seeing violence, but nowhere near what it used to be. >> i used to get attacked, we used to fight with skin heads in 2000, 2001, 2002. but after that period, 2004, basically things quieted down. ♪ vladimir putin vladimir putin ♪

putin, who will have discussions with ms.bane probably where he's probably the driving factor. he's made german companies uncertain. they're postponing investment projects and that's what's keeping growth down at the moment. >> okay, i'm glad you mentioned spending, or the lack of spending. so businesses aren't spending, but there's a lot of people around saying these eurozone governments and in particular germany, they need to spend. they need to -- i don't know, more infrastructure programs. i mean, more spending, less cutting, yeah? >> well, if you look at the french data, there seems to be at least one government in europe which is spending, because french growth was almost entirely dependent on government spending. but that's not really sustainable. eurosewn governments already have very high debts. some of them are running high def -- high deficits. in the short term, there may be some gains to be had. but i don't see, for instance, germany building bridges and that causing italian or french entrepreneurs to invest more

the president called vladimir putin isolated. david cameron, said, he said that the leaders demand russia fully cooperate with the investigation into mh 17. therfrancois hollande also was giving his press conference, i haven't had a chance to see that. and their complaints about him and his country's actions, i don't think the things are totally unrelated. i should say not in a communique but certainly in all the press conferences given here. >> andrew thomas, thank you. >>> let's talk about what we can make about vladimir putin's early exit. stephen fish, a professor of comparative politics. >> leaders are displeasewith his policy, that is clearly something that the western policy makers have opposed, how it will play in moscow is a different matter. so far putin's policies of congregation and expansion have been greeted warmly at home. they've scored him points at home. that is the one hand. to stand up to the united states and your perceived enemies in the world, but to stand up against the entire world, to be against united s

russian president vladimir putin came under fire today for his intervention in ukraine. let's bring in chief white house correspondent major garrett who is traveling with president obama in australia. >> reporter: major, mr. putin had to expect some rough treatment given that russian-supported rebels in ukraine allegedly shot down that airliner that killed 28 australians in july. >> reporter: the reception is so rough here that the european news agency reported putin intended to cut short his g-20 summit meeting by about a follow day. the kremlin, whose credibility is limited, denied that report saying putin would remain in brisbane until his work was done. while here putin has received icy glares and cold shoulders ss from western leaders fed up with russian military meddling in ukraine. whether putin stays or goes, president obama and other european leaders will meet here shortly to discuss whether or not to slap another round of economic sanctions on prominent russian business figures and those closest to putin. this is the second summit this week, jim, and some leade

vladimir putin just arrived 20 minutes ago.e video of she shook tony abbott's hand and whispered to him. what do she want out of this? >> there is so much i could do with that. when it comes to angela merkel and having any can of bodily contact with heads of state, we try to stay away from it. bring up the george w. bush shoulder rub. noses zealand, she rubbed . i always thought that was an eskimo kiss. >> thank you so much in berlin. isht now, elizabeth economy a student of a new world order. secretary kissinger just spoke on your council of foreign relations. i have given it a rave review. you were just in dubai and china, what is the urgency at these meetings? is there something different in the air? i feel like i am almost in a tuchman novel from a hundred years ago. think president obama is leaving a pack in a much stronger position than anybody would've anticipated. signed three surprise agreements with the chinese. , away fromlines aipac, there was an agreement with india that is going to break open the trade facilitatio

putin. >> translation: well, i refer to vladimir putin, among others. russia, when we look at its history has needed an external enemy. they are not able to rule their country without an enemy. these were the people from chechnya, the pols, americans, and now they have the ukranians as their enemy for some internal arrangements. the philosophy of the enemy helps them to keep the country, maintain the ruling of their country. this is their philosophy. it has to be changed. this is not the right time for such philosophy, and we are not able to afford such losses and rule through enemy. russia has to change its enemy. >> reporter: you remember a time in poland when there is not a free press. russia has that situation. vladimir putin is popular in russia for its actions. it seems the people think he's defending russia and greater russia. do you think if people knew what was going on he would support? >> definitely. the support he gets nowadays is smaller, but russia may like it in a certain way. the additional problem for russia is they used to be a superpo

putin was less considerate of president obama's comfort. putin and obama seemed strained and downright awkward at times. the coldness between the two broken by only a single putin pat on the president's back, much like the pat a patient parent would give a petulant child. overseas trips are normally scheduled to show off the president acting presidential among the pomp of a gathering of presidents, premiers and prime ministers and perhaps dim the public's memory of seemingly endless scandals, crises and last week's drubbing at the polls. but not this time. not for president obama. little looks like it will improve for the president when he returns home this sunday. with all that is going on now in crimea and on the eastern border of ukraine, it is probably fair that we should reserve in our prayers some considerable room for the president and hope that he returns to washington, d.c. soon. he is a president who has to steady himself now for what looks like even more, more challenges. we will continue in just one moment. we want you to be par

putin. at this stage the u.s.resident sounding like there's not going to be any broader economic sanctions if you like. so he was quite clear on that. the other unone is climate chan and getting climate change and moves toward cutting emissionsant agenda here at the g 20. talking to various officials, particularly from europe who say that climate change was not on the agenda. the australians did not want it on the agenda. australia said very clearly this is a economic summit. climate change does not have a position on the agenda here. well, the final order was that climate change was on the agenda if you like. it talks about moving toward more efficient use of energy. moving towards less carbon emissions so that is a feather in the cap for his administration putting that particular topic here. >> right. and china certainly making some steps toward that end that they never had before. >> that's right. the chinese at the apec meeting in beijing coming out along with the u.s. to announce new climate change measures.

i feel kind of bad for vladimir putin. do you think anybody will send him a christmas package echoed dr. definitely not gary kasparov. world's to one of the most famous chess players. mi said that he's eating lunch by himself? maybe not so much. i love the surveillance question of the day. ?e sanctions work they do not work if the person they are against is basically a gangster. >> stephanie ruhle has entered our twitter question today. if you want to answer with stephanie, tweet us @ bsurveillance. the futures -- sorry, let's take a look at the euro, which is up a little bit. japan-yen is down. futures in general not looking good. >> if you think about this across the board in europe, they are having a soft response to the news out of japan. a slight surprise because on friday we got a good gdp at a good gdp number out of europe. the fact that we got this negative news from japan, europe does not like it, you had to see where the u.s. is going to open up. it was just a few weeks ago that everything was cracking because of

. >> when putin was in the duma announcing the annexation of crimea.id as a matter of policy, russia will extends protection in to its spheres of influence. does that mean anything of importance . >> it's hard to imagine the americans tolerating the find of international interference in america's backyard from a you country like russia or china which the russians now field like is being rested upon them in ukraine. ukraine is absolutely the single most important foreign policy interest that the russians have in terms of respite tour cal -- historical influence and legitimacy in terms of the bases in crimea, in terms of the military industrial complex and supply chain in southeast ukraine, having that said ukraine is a sovereign state and the russians have effectively invaded it. it's clear that the americans and europeans have to stands up to that. but it's also clear that over the last several months you have seen 80% of the american and european efforts looking at punishing the russians maybe 20% looking to support ukrainians. if you ask me those per

vladimir putin dying along. alone.d the canadian prime minister with his hand extended a he said, "i guess i will shake your hand, but i have one thing to tell you. get out of ukraine." littleend up leaving a early although his reasons had to do more with biology than diplomacy. this is what he had to say. >> it takes nine hours to fly from here and nine more hours to moscow. on monday, have to be in the office. hours ofintreau-5 sleep -- i need 4-5 hours of sleep and i went up to tony abbott and i think our work is done and successfully. >> no one is reading too much into his early departure. to be fair, president obama of the united states left only a couple of hours after president putin, francine. leaders -- that would explain why he had to leave early. the leaders agreed on a growth target of 2.1% by 2018. very ambitious, is it achievable? a gulf betweenys words and deeds and these type of summits. growth bytage points 2018. the imf and oac will be reviewing the progress and they say, yes, it is achievable,

these after all are president putin's strongest supporters. not so.rybody we've spoken to is worried about the situation and hopeful a new cold war isn't starting. when he addressed the conference, mr. putin himself only mentioned the international situation briefly, though what he did say was to be tough. america doesn't just want to humiliate us, it wants to subjugate us. no one in history has ever done this to russia and no one ever will. >> meanwhile, president putin's chief press spokesman came out to meet me for a rare interview. dmitri peskov is mr. putin's right-hand man and what he says is russian policy. >> i would like to hear 100% guarantee that no one would think about ukraine joining nato. i would like to hear that nato will discontinue to approach the russian border, but unfortunately we've failed to hear this word and it makes us, well, nervous. makes us feel here, you aggressive. but if you feel fear, you take measures of precaution. and in the long run, our national interests will be endangered, and we'll continue to reply. >> when t

any great surprise -- >> thank you. >> that vladimir putin chose to leave early?was really made to feel quite unwelcome at the g20. >> no, it's not a surprise because putin, in his press conference that was held during breakfast lunch with all leaders of 20, he had a press conference before his departure. departure he explained because -- soon that he explained that the flight will taken it -- nine hours, two hours staying there, and then after that 10 hours to moscow. it is a long way and he explained that should be not so tired. well, anyhow, he estimated all results, final communique of g20 as a positive step and an atmosphere as he said constructive, not good but constructive. and workable. and that's why i consider that his departure doesn't have any political substance, any political meaning. >> but he left early, as our correspondent pointed out he avoided hearing all the press conferences afterwards which criticized him. i mean, let me put it another way. is there much point in vladimir putin coming to these sorts of events if he's going to be ignored and

what does putin have in mind? for more, we are joined now by kimberly marten. she is a russian scholar and a professor at barnard college and columbia university. so you know what's interesting is those two were just the most recent in a long list of aggressive moves that russia has been take. just a few weeks ago sweden was looking for a submarine off their coast. they confirmed there was a foreign sub. the suspicion is certainly on the russians. we have had greatest flights near the u.s. simulating bombing runs that could work for new york, chicago. what's he doing? >> i think part of what's going on is putin is trying to take attention off of the problems that the russian economy is facing. the singleses are working much better than than many people predicted they would, and they're having real impact on the russian oil industry, which is one of the major contributors to the russian budget. and the united states and the europeans are holding together on those sanctions, much better than people thought they were going to. and now, even proposing more sanction

it was the same for putin and tony abbott at aipac who had boasted last month he would putin with a shortront over the crash of the malaysian flight over the ukraine and no such chest but happened. they had a cordial i guess it described as cordial. i. the interpersonal drama with so many of the world leaders and the greatest economies represented by their leaders and vladimir putin made the at is the most intriguing part. and obama with the rivalries. and xi and shinzo abe meeting. shaking hands with the gloom faces and x and putin trying to show their friendship that is more than gas deals. reportedly, putin showed some chivalry at the dinner last night by casting his jacket over the shoulders of the first lady of china. something caught on the camera by local media been scrubbed from the internet after many jokes that it happened in wife.s was hitting on his a lot of interpersonal charm a relay out. >> absolutely. one of the ones you refer to has been innzo abe office is 2012 and he is not met with the chinese government in that time since it is their biggest trading partner. the chang

>> putin? >> yeah, yeah.how concerned should we be about a future army of putin's spawn as you would call it. they are invading ukraine right now, aren't they? >> somebody watched the boys from brazil. the question is has anybody asked putin? it is a big country. he is a small man with little hands. no offense. >> never been a problem for me. >> you know what it is? when you think movies it is like "a boy and his dog." do you remember that film? don johnson. they think he will i'm i'm -- he walks around with a dog that talks and he ends up in a place where they actually tie him to a bed and they hook him up and they take the stuff out of him. michael, are you laughing at the fact that i am tieing it to an important movie you should have seen, but you probably didn't because you were high? >> it is not the dj. >> should we in response create our own army with maybe channing tatum's sperm? >> i guess. i was thinking more about like a coming man or something. i don't even know who channing tatum is. he is the gu

and so the president trying to make this not all about vladimir putin. but certainly he has been the elephant or the russian bear in the room throughout this summit so far, natalie. >> it'll be interesting if we hear about any exchanges perhaps between barack obama and vladimir putin. about president obama's response he got from the students, a rousing response when he announced his climate change initiative but at the same time australia has seen rollback from tony abbott, have they not on certain carbon-cutting plans. >> reporter: that's right. they seem to be fairly joined at the hip when it comes to vladimir putin but do disagree on a number of issues. tony abbott is a conservative. president obama is far from it. certainly on the issue of climate change, but president obama has really praised prime minister abbott in recent months for australia's contributions in the campaign against isis, but, you know, even on ebola where the world has really come together much because of the u.s. leadership and what president obama is trying to do in west africa,

putin is staying in power 50 years.ade for aggression core message that he is selling for russian public. >> is the cold war over? >> oh, i wish -- yes, because we just celebrated 25th anniversary of the fall of berlin wall. while the wall is not there. the cold war is not. we have a lot of enemies, people are pushing the free world and without american leadership we could see more problems on the horizon. i remember that in 2008 and 2012. democrats called john mccain and mitt romney the far right dinosaurs for their strong opinion on vladimir putin's russia. well, they were not far right. they were simply right. and while fighting dictators and terrorists, we better have on our side. and things that are extinct, strong principles and leadership are in this administration. >> what do you think president putin thinks about president obama? >> >> weak. as the rest of the leadership of the free world. obama had so many red lines drawn and washed away. obama send conflicting messages to all sort of facts of the world. and o

(laughter) and obama is shading putin because putin made out with brandon when he knew obama liked brandonsad and insiding the ukraine is not necessarily appropriate, though the brandon thin stings, i'm not going to lie. if you think the relationship between obama and boont is a problem, check out japan and china trying to make things right. >> an awkward handshake between chinese president xi jinping and japanese prime minister shinzo abe. it's their first face-to-face talks since either leader took office. (laughter) >> jon: nice to meet you. i would rather be holding my own severed penis. anyway, i hope we can work things out. (laughter) still, you have to give credit to putin, obama doesn't want to talk to him, but he's still trying to make friends. >> russian president vladimir putin raising eyebrows of his own. the recently divorced vladimir putin was getting a little too friendly with the chinese first lady. he gallantly wrapped a coat around her shoulders at an apec event. a little bit too gallant, i guess. she smiled polity and moments later slipped the coat off her shoulders. >>

that tension comes as putin thumbs his nose at the u.s. by sending heavy arms and tanks to the front lines in ukraine. >> doesn't that say that the sanctions are not stopping them? >> the sanctions are officially affecting the calculus as it relates to ukraine. and if they continue to do that, it's a recipe of isolation for a broad swathe of the international kmurvelt. >> over the course of five foreign trip this is year, he made this have you nearly eight months ago. i think it's also important for us not to promise and then not be able to deliver. there are ways for us to hopefully influence russian decision making. >> reporter: u.s. sanctions are doing damage on the russian economy, but even that may backfire, here in beijing, putin has cut no less than 16 energy deals with the chinese president including a major gas pipeline between the two countries, so the sanctions may hurt russia in the short-term but drive them into the arms of china. >>> what do you think about the united states efforts to make diplomatic progress with chinese? >

. >>> president obama meets president putin.ld a joint press conference in beijing. but yesterday, at the asia pacific economic cooperation summit, the focus was on the chilly interaction between president obama and russia's president vladimir putin. according to rueters at the start of the summit on tuesday, chinese president sxi walked in with the presidents on either side of him. it's beautiful, isn't it? referring to the ornate conference room, yes, obama replied coldly. according to journalists who witnessed the scene. when the three presidents went to sit at the head table, putin put his arm on president obama making for another awkward photo op. though tensions between the two presidents have never been worse. a national security council spokesperson confirmed that president obama and putin did speak on three separate occasions tuesday for a total of 15 to 20 minutes. the sideline conversations covered iran, syria and ukraine. u.s. deputy national security adviser ben rhodes said this tuesday in beijing. >> we continue to

are there any plans for putin and president obama to meet there on the g-20 summit in?> reporter: well, zain, as you know president obama and vladimir putin met on the sidelines at that apec summit earlier this week so we've been told by senior administration officials that it is always possible that president obama and vladimir putin could meet on the sidelines here at the g-20 but they're not giving any signal that is that is going to take place. you mentioned that vladimir putin has kind of gotten the cold shoulder here at the g-20 summit. that is the case if you sift through the variety of leader here's. the host of prime minister tony abbott of australia only sent low-level staff to greet vladimir putin at the airport. the prime minister of canada steven harper apparently said to vladimir putin according to a press assistant for the canadian minister, i'll shake your hand but you need to get out of ukraine. prime minister david cameron from uk, so on, really, we've heard a cavalcade going after vladimir putin. and president obama at the university of queensland her

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