your language say there are 50 al qaeda. why are we squared of 50 people and spend billions chasing them? i urge you not to talk about pakistan or afghanistan. this is a collection of nature with the army that leads the country. they are the pashtuns, pashtuns especially troublemakers. and sunni/shiite agendas. in these cultures, they are led by three mens and one german. and that's a terrible thing to happen. and we are two and a half million, where it's a combination of mormons and muslims. >> i've never heard of that characterized as mormons. i'm going to steal that line. >> yeah, the terrorists. but anyway, you know how the massacres have occurred by the sunni taliban, we have been smited by the sunnies for years. hard work. what i'm getting the community is paranoid, the country is collapsing, the taliban are murders the qatar people, and everybody was helping with the blood. my view, i've known for 40 years, afghanistan is collapsing and just like other places, like sudan, new nations, new states being created, very fe

the libyan leader insists the trouble and his country is down to criminals bolstered by al qaeda next face to face with me. we're glad that you broadcasting in three languages robert english and spanish have an opportunity to hear your voice we would like you to describe what has been going on i mean here and there have been many strange ideas of what has been going on then. and or situation radically different from what's transpired in tunisia egypt yemen bahrain qatar saudi arabia and other arab countries and what's happened and what is happening in the our countries has nothing to do with what is going on or libya and those countries there are people to protest against the authorities there whereas all people here are demanding of the revolutionary leadership remains and in comments the power of the people the other people don't have who are the power is in the hands of governments and presidents down with the president down with the government down with the parliament they say well your government has created a new president is appointed in libya power belongs to the people we hav

they're a means of putting pressure on al-qaeda. they are never destroy al-qaeda. we cannot destroy al-qaeda from 30,000 feet in the air. pakistani cooperation is essential to doing that in the end. but this is, this is real world problem. if we don't keep the drones up, the danger of a mass casualty attack in the united states will increase very significantly. if we keep doing them, we drive away a significant part of the pakistani people. there's no simple answer to this problem. in the long term, the best answer is to get the pakistanis to take ownership of the drone operations. the pakistani government doesn't want to take ownership of it. it much prefers to let barack obama and leon panetta take all the flak. it demonstrates the contradictions that are at the heart of our relationship with pakistan and which make it such a difficult partner to work with these days. thank you. [applause] >> you're watching 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books on c-span2's booktv. >> in about an hour, we're going to cover several thousand years of world history and touch eve

not a strategy by means to put pressure on al qaeda and they cannot destroy al qaeda from 30,000 feet in the year -- in the air. cooperation is essential to doing that in the end. this is a real-world problem. if we don't keep up the drums the danger of mass casualty attack will increase. if we keep doing them we driveway a significant pat part there is no simple answer to this problem. long-term the best answer is to get the pakistani to take

and two hundred on both sides we are dealing with something important to us from abroad i mean al qaeda and al qaida leadership used libya's silence and began to tell the world about protests in libya about shooting of thousands killed all of a sudden we found out the whole world was against libya and we have had no protests how could news agencies. reported such things a number of victims one hundred fifty to two hundred. thousands how can the un security council and a whole world decide based on media reports it becomes clear that the terrorists themselves al-qaeda had sent their reports about it to the news agencies it's now difficult to change world opinion and perception of what's going on the situation is believed to be in crisis desperate and problematic as for us we consider this a libyan crisis a libyan disaster on a libyan problem it's the same for instance of a struggle with armed bandit formations as many years ago of the algerian army fought against us as russia has been fighting in chechnya as nato has been fighting in afghanistan with armed groups there and somalia not to

they are not al qaeda. yet, most americans, maybe less so now, but the argument's -- but the arguments here on the floor is we have to go al qaeda. it gives incentive for al qaeda to grow in numbers rather than dealing with them. the money issue. we're talking about a lot of money. how much do we spend in a year? probably about $130 billion, up to $1 trillion now in this past decade. later on in the day we are going to have two votes. we're going to have a vote on doing something sensible, making sense out of our foreign policy, bringing our troops home and saving hundreds of billions of dollars. and then we also will have a vote against n.p.r., to cut the funding of n.p.r. there is a serious question about whether that will even cut one penny but at least the fiscal conservatives will be overwhelmingly in support of slashing n.p.r., go home and brag about how they're so great fiscal conservatives. in the very most they'll save $10 million and that's the claim for fame of cutting the budget. at the same tim

iran, saudi arabia, and what i call al qaeda -ism. in speaking tonight about the persian gulf, and the war against the islamist militancy emanating from there, i want to start with words george washington used to describe the new national governments responsibilities to ensure that americans clearly understand the threats they face at home and abroad. i am sure that the massive citizens of these united states meanwhile, washington told john j. in 1796. and i believe that they will always act will whenever they can update a right understanding of matters. let me say that i share washington's fate and he essentially sound common sense of american. except perhaps that of the coming generation whose male members seemed unable to figure out how to put a baseball cap on so the brim points forward. but i'm not saying saying that when a national government under either party is capable or even desirous of the actually educating the citizenry about the islamist threats confronting america. today, americans simply do not have what washington ca

the strength of al qaeda in the afghanistan pakistan region we believe in pakistan the al qaeda is very very dissipated very very weak right now in fact if we count the actual numbers of members of al qaeda suspected ones who might be on the ground in either of gunstar pakistan currently right now i think that would be of a figure much much less than even a figure like two hundred it is premature to speak really of any religious or any extreme is groups of any sort really taking over what is largely a popular discontent about issues such as governance and politics and the performance of politicians i just suspect that some off the reports that we read in the media particularly in the western media in the in the american media the british media sometimes exaggerate the strength of al qaeda and in order to serve their own strategic interests there are extremist groups but we don't see any sign really that any of them really have the capability to seize power in vibrant countries such as egypt or tunisia. i was a make a rush political expert from islam the god there of course who are inter

>> al qaeda went into military bases and seized arms and are terrorizing the people. people who had the weapons are youngsters. they are starting to lay down their weapons as the drugs al qaeda gave them wear off. >> what about david cameron? he has listed the immunity of your family and frozen assets in london. your son went to school there and has a house there. what would you say to david cameron? >> if he has frozen assets, it is up to the libyan state to do with it. i challenge him that if he can find 1 million dinars, i will take half and he can keep half. >> then, mr. duffy said britain's interests would be jeopardized. would you stop doing interest with britain? >> the libyan state would make the decision. i am challenging him to show me the bank account in britain. i do not like money. i challenge them and put my fingers in their eyes, if they can find any account, whether inside or outside. >> colonel gaddafi, how you and this crisis? a large part of the country is under control of rebels. there is a great deal of foreign pressure. what about the fact that y

why are they -- >> it is al qaeda. it is al qaeda, not my people. it is al qaeda. al qaeda, al qaeda, yes. >> reporter: he refused to accept that there are protesters in the country at all. despite the fact that the opposition is now in control of most of the east coast of libya. colonel gadhafi, the president of the united states, the leaders of britain and other leaders, are calling on you to step down, to leave libya, to leave your position of power. will you do that? >> translator: who would leave his homeland? why do i leave my homeland? why do i leave libya? >> reporter: they say that they've done it because you have ordered force against your people, shooting of protesters. >> translator: this is lying, 100%. >> reporter: the international community is concerned about stockpiles of mustard gas or other kind of chemical weapons. would you ever use those? >> translator: haven't we solved the wmd programs? we got rid of all that. this is a thing of the past, and we have already finished this. is it reasonable that any sensible man would use such a weapon agains

hardcore al qaeda members who convinced him to get revenge on america. something is wrong with muslim leaders in nashville. what happened to carlos at those mosques is enormous. i have other family members who are muslim. they are peaceful law-abiding people and are not radicalized. i also have several uncles and brothers in the military. our family fought in the united states every war since the civil war. i have nephews who are currently in afghanistan fighting for the democracy and freedom for all americans. it seems to me that americans are sitting around doing nothing about extremists, radical extremists as carlos' story and other stories at these hearings aren't true. this is a big elephant in the room. our society continues not to see it. this political correctness, you can call it political fear. fear of stepping on special minority population toes even as a segment of that population wants to stamp out america and everything we stand for. i must say that we are losing american babies. our children are in danger. this country must stand up and do

al qaeda is under pressure. alongside our military we are engaged of both societies and help undercut the insurgency. these searches set the stage for the third surge, a apush in support of a process to split the taliban and help stabilize the entire region. our military commanders are in fact. they cannot succeed without a strong civilian partner. retreating with our troops in the field would be a grave mistake. equally important is our assistance to pakistan. a nuclear arms nation with strong ties and afghanistan. this is a fresh trading relationship. we are grateful for the chairman for his helpful intervention. we are working to deepen that partnership and focused on addressing the economic challenges and our shared threats. we have a chance to help the iraqi people build a stable democratic government in the heart of the middle east. what we are hoping will happen in egypt and libya is happening in iraq. it is in. it as our troops come home our civilians help iraqis resolve conflicts peacefully training pol

and indeed, we see al qaeda looking for sanctuaries all the time, frankly.hey are as i mentioned earlier under considerable pressure in their north wi seer stan sanctuary, and there is a search for other locations. and afghanistan would be an attractive location were the taliban to control large swathes of it once again. indeed, there is a small presence of al qaeda in afghanistan, some probably less than 100. we killed the number three leader of al qaeda in afghanistan several months ago, and have detained another very important individual there as well. and we do see the exploration, if you will, of certain possible sanctuari sanctuaries. the other thing to remember is the one i made in my opening statement. that is it is only recently we have gotten inputs right in afghanistan. as undersecretary flournoy explained, there were a number of years where our focus was elsewhere, where afghanistan an economy of force effort to use the military terminology, and it is only since late 2008, early 2009 that we have focused back on afghanistan and have deployed the

>> i think one of the evolutions we have seen as and al qaeda itself.hereas 9/11 was a core al qaeda activity in the genesis for the reason of the department, that attack,. core al qaeda has been constrained with a large amount of the activities has gone on. modern communications being what they are, thing still come out of there that can be to inspire to institute to let people know we're still here in the west is still the enemy. and we now have al qaeda in the other areas. we have these groups all over the world. then the other evolution i have seen really accelerate in my two years has been the so-called home grown. the u.s. persons that for whatever reason, and we do not have a good understanding about what causes someone to do this, but they've become inspired to commit jihad. they may travel abroad and then come back, but that is a key concern for us moving forward. that is why it is so important that we have a security architecture that recognizes that everybody has a role. that is one of the reasons why we are taking national to the see somethi

many al qaeda's hard core. some who have been ill treated.were only allowed to film a few and forbidden to show their faces. we happen with these guys for nine years. we know who we picked off the battlefield and we know what type of guys there as far as complying and non-complying. just because they're compliant does not mean they have changed. they still want to kill our guards and want to disrupt our organization.  still going to fight. >> president obama pledge to try the detainees in civilian court in america. it has proved almost impossible. much of the evidence obtained through torture and ill treatment is likely to be thrown out. half the remaining detainees have been cleared for release. many of the countries they come from do not want to take them back, believing they are too dangerous. some who have been released have already rejoined al qaeda. >> we created guantanamo bay in cuba and said it was to preserve our way of life and get the first thing we jettisoned was the rule of law. hypocrisy breeds hatred and i'm fred -- i am afra

which justifies keeping a good mo detainee without any proof that he was actually involved with al qaeda so we'll bring you details on this ruling and will determine if it's just another glaring example of obama going back on his promise about closing guantanamo bay next we'll look into how the mainstream media is covering libya when i guess n.b.c. host made a very strong statements on the show last night which leads us to ask if the mainstream media is choosing partisanship over analysis and then could there really be a silver lining to the budget big growing in congress the democrats and republicans may have finally reached an agreement about probably won't make the tea party very happy considering that they took their anger to d.c. to protest today so what's going to happen next we'll find out the answer to that and much more in tonight's show but first our top story. nato has now officially taken sole command for air strikes over libya and they debuted a brand new flashing title operation that unified protector. but this operation seems to be anything but unified with the internation

is now al qaida or libyan islamic fighting group to be precise which merged with al qaeda go back to one thousand nine hundred five the david shayler affair this was a defector whistleblower from m i five who said that m i six had paid a good. kind of organization in libya one hundred thousand pounds to try to kill gadhafi and that was linked to the last insurrection in ninety five ninety six precisely from benghazi and told brooke so if there were al-qaeda is an enemy with gadhafi that making this situation al qaeda our friend absolutely not suppose you get these crazies because that's the only way to put it psychotics fanatics miscreants terrorists whatever they are you going to give them modern arms you're going to give them a slice of those thirty two billion dollars you're going to give them the oil revenue they'll create a terrorist power that will go wild across the world governments around the world need to ask the united states what are you doing arming and promoting al qaeda fighters in those areas of the of libya the other angle on this is the tribal and bake makeup remove

and indeed, we see al qaeda looking for sanctuaries all the time, frankly.hey are as i mentioned earlier under considerable pressure in the north, and there is a search for other locations. and afghanistan would be an attractive location were the taliban to control large swathes of it once again. indeed, there is a small presence of al qaeda in afghanistan, some probably less than 100. we killed the number three leader of al qaeda in afghanistan several months ago, and have detained another very important individual there as well. and we do see the exploration, if you will, of certain possible sanctuaries. the other thing to remember is statement. the one i made in my opening that is it is only recently we have gotten inputs right in afghanistan. as undersecretary flournoy explained, there were a number of years where our focus was elsewhere, where afghanistan an economy of force effort to use the military terminology, and it is only since late 2008, early 2009 that we have focused back on afghanistan and have deployed the military, civilian and financial re

for example, the minister of defense of iraq, al qaeda, al qaeda and iraq was killed on that day.i believe it was on that day, by iraqi security forces, a very good event for us. >> was he part of the protest? >> he was not. my point is, the enemy operates in this country even as the people are trying to exercise their freedom to protest. i believe from what i'm told that the number of iraqi security forces injured and the number of demonstrators injured and killed is about the same. and the reason i say, bring that up is, that's oftentimes indicator of whether or not a military just open fire on a crowd. if you open fire on a crowd with an automatic weapon and the casualties are going to be significantly higher than the ones reported to come either by the government or by a newspaper article. but i think overall, i need to check on this, frankly, i wasn't ready for your question, i need to go back and check and see if i missed something in our assessment of what happened that day. i need to get back to you, senator, because the numbers you are citing are higher than what i was to

not a random bombings that al qaeda is doing.hen of course you have the rhetoric for public consumption and i'm sure their instincts which of course to use violence against invaders. no question that is the gut feeling. so it is very complex and always debated within the brotherhood and you never really know exact way where they are going to stand. >> i mean, it is obviously too soon to know but it would be interesting, to go to egypt and began to look at bookstores and familiarize visited by the brotherhood often. they are essentially brotherhood bookstores to see which books are actually selling well, selling like hotcakes. again i don't know the answer to that and if you were to say go to iran today and you were to see whether -- was selling well or numerous works by the marxist islamist father of the revolution, i think you would discover that no one is reading them. they have evolved, they have gone. those books have no relevance whatsoever to the vast majority of people and if you go to najaf you go into the bookstores and

this hearing today is playing into al qaeda right now around the world. it is diminishing soldiers that are on the front line that are muslims. those who lost their lives. and it is going the same route of an arizona and other states. sheriff baca, one quick question to you, please, can law enforcement find friends in diverse communitys? have you been able to solve problems by developing an understanding, an arab officer, hispanic officer, an aican officer, an african-american officer, sir, or an anglo officer that happens to be from portugal or happens to have the ability to speak toomeone from the balkans who is here in the united states? is that a positive form of law enforcement? >> yes, it is. and we have the ability to reach all minorities within the county of los angeles and sergeant michael dean, who is here, he can stand up, he's the sergeant -- he's a muslim, he's the sergeant of our muslim affairs outreach. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> all members and g >> the time has expired. >> it is an outrage. >> time has expired. >> it is outrage

in al qaeda committing terrorist acts. the point is not that you are simply designating something that they are doing right now. it is part of a whole record. is this entity tied in with global terrorism? i may have misspoken -- this agent. here, it is absolutely clear. the evidence is overwhelming. at no point does the professor attempt to prove otherwise. al harmain has been one of the key financial supporters or groups such as al qaeda. much of the material he protests against that we provided to him was about the activities of al harmain. we wanted to show that al harmain is clearly tied into international terrorism. the question is, is this a branch of al harmain? as the d.c. circuit has pointed out several times, the standard of review here is, do you think the record is so poor and the reasoning is so poor that it is arbitrary and capricious by the secretary of the treasury? here, it is not. >> that goes back to the question of notice. the district court concluded that, ultimately, reasons were given and that those

this is a segment of the community al qaeda is attempting to recruit. to combat this threat moderate leadership must emerge in the muslim community. as a majority and minority staff of the senate homeland security committee concluded in its report which ironically enough was entitled violent islamic extremism and the home grown terrorist threat, this report concluded muslim community leaders and religious leaders must play a more visible role in discrediting and providing alternatives to violent islamist ideology, end of quote. this means a responsible muslim american leaders must reject discredited groups such as c.a.r.e., the committee on american -- the committee on islamic american relations. c.a.r.e. was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the terrorist financing case involving the holy land foundation. in the lead-up to this hearing i found it shocking and sad that the mainstream media accepted c.a.r.e.'s accusations as if it were a legitimate organization. thankfully, fbi director muller has ordered the fbi to cease all dealings and contact

cia and there are a few low level terrorists that operate on their own but at the top they use al qaeda to attack the us they can take our liberties and we have this new u.n. mandate where they order the president and other presidents and prime ministers with a resolution to start bombing libya and obama didn't even go and consult congress which is a lot a declaration of war authorization of force so this is all part of globalism here and there is al qaida or gallant little ally and i know that american because i don't support al qaeda i don't support am around the lobby running the attack at fort hood medley or the christmas day bombing the underwear bomber the shoe bomber the times square bomber i think al he's got a lot of interesting point there it's pretty interesting when we think back colonel gadhafi is always saying that one of his goals is that he's fighting the taliban line. and that it is interesting when the u.s. goes in and fights against gadhafi inevitably there's going to be some sharing of sides and sharing of duties with people who might have otherwise been our enemies

they blame al qaeda for the explosion. >> they came in the tens of thousands. protesters on the streets calling for the president to go. leave, leave, leave. a young mother of three, she has that the protests almost daily. >> that this is impossible. [inaudible] >> his opponent is still on the streets. no one knows what will happen next. they are asking the same question here. this is the headquarters of one of the main opposition leaders. he is a key power broker in yemen. with no solution in sight, he wants the west to increase pressure on the president. >> in the united states and the europeans [unintelligible] they wish to have changed, especially for the crimes of the current regime. adoption of a cms ally against -- they see yemen as an ally against al qaeda. yemen's crisis is far from over. >> in the u.k., an investigation has begun to figure out how i say, is transported from britain to turkey without being detected. >> it was two weeks ago that this package was sent from london to istanbul. they opened what appeared to be a box containing a wedding cak

let me tell you one thing when you exaggerate the threat of al qaeda and when you say that al qaeda might take over for example or in some of the middle eastern countries when you say that you're basically playing into the hands of a very. let's say into the hands of certain western countries that have a vested interest in perpetuating their presence in afghanistan it's very it's an open secret the united states wants to continue to be present there are a couple of its allies in nato also would like to see a continuity of this war in terror for many strategic purposes and reasons that have to do with the gulf with iran with china and certainly will so with russia so there are a lot of vested interest i just suspect that some off the reports that we read in the media particularly in the western media in the in the american media the british media sometimes exaggerate the strength of al qaida and in order to serve their own strategic interest there are again as i said extremist groups they are some of them are lethal some of them are very crazy you need to be watch out be on the watch out f

al-qaeda in libya you know al qaeda is very strong in libya actually libyan department is one of the strongest of the world maybe the second strongest after the persone one of the greatest dangers no is that al qaida. could use their troops to try to get use of the situation so they're highly volatile situation in this northern african region really bears significance not just really be egypt in algeria but really for the rest of the world. r.t. . in just a few weeks the rest since unusual spread throughout the arab world and there are growing fears it could go further still concerns that islamic radicalism will come to power. a political analyst from islamabad says that the threats are vastly overestimate. i'm one of those people who are very skeptical about for example see i guess estimates on the strength of al qaeda in the afghanistan pakistan region we believe that it is very very dissipated very very weak right now in fact if we count the actual numbers of members of al qaeda suspected ones who might be on the ground in either of constant or pakistan currently right now i think

which is only natural libya looks like a weak link where al qaeda may gain success. not only did they proclaim an emirate but also a former guantanamo prison as its hat what consequences could this have. been promised them if the fundamentalists come to power the consequences would be serious they are not moderate fundamentalists like in egypt or tunisia they are extremists they're radicals this means that inside the country they'll attempt to impose a dictatorship on their own people fought for to put into practice their principles and islamic state and islamic economy etc it's yet another egalitarian utopia and utopias are always imposed only by means of a dictatorship and only by force the foreign policy area will be what we've repeatedly seen before be attempts to export islamic revolutions and whatever possible to support fighters for the faith in the fact that libya is chockablock with weapons and that libya has financial fonds so the consequences of the fundamentalists come to power will be most negative let me emphasize this if because their coming to power i

in libya you know al qaeda is there is strong in libya through the libyan department of acquired is one of the strongest of the rule maybe of the circle strongest after the pakistani one one of the greatest dangers is that . you could use their tools to try to get use of the situation so they're highly volatile situation in this northern african region really bears significance not just probably be but really for the rest of the world. party. well we're interested in your opinion over the question of who has the most to win from the way the rest gripping the arab world do vote now on our website r.t. dot com. now in the clash of the global media outlets america is taking hits and losing ground to the new kids on the block including r t the warning from top u.s. diplomat hillary clinton was coupled with a plea for hard cash to get america's message back on track and it's garbage can reports the secretary is stage doesn't believe the home grown news channels are up to the task here is what we have learned from hillary clinton's statement we are officially at war information war by we i me

in libya you know al qaeda is very strong in libya actually libyan people card is one of the strongest and the will need be the second strongest after the previous time one of the greatest dangers now is that. their trucks try to get into sort of city so they're highly volatile situation in this northern african region really bears significance not just for libya egypt in argyria but really for the rest of the world. r.t. . well russia's former ambassador to libya told r.t. the veris a danger of the uprisings in the arab world could bring a fundamentalists. if the fundamentalists come to power the consequences will be serious they are not moderate fundamentalists like in egypt or tunisia they are extremists they're radicals this means that inside the country till it came to impose a dictatorship on their own people for to put into practice their principles an islamic state of an islamic economy etc it's yet another egalitarianism and utopias are always imposed only by means of a dictatorship and only by force the foreign policy area will be what we've repeatedly seen before will be att

. -- by al-qaeda. >> people are cheering. they are basking in the adulation year. they are also expressing bewilderment at the international record of what is happening here, saying libya is a friend of france and britain, cooperating. during his three-hour speech, the colonel said libya's troubles were a foreign conspiracy. >> the plot now is to control libyan oil, libyan territory. this is impossible. we will fight to the last man and last woman. from north to south, east to west. >> they cheered all the defiance. but there were hints of reconciliation, too. colonel gaddafi's speech was read out of hand by the most committed rebels. but he left behind and offer of amnesty, even talks of a free press. for his hard-core supporters, it was a family day out and they did not care what he said. the libyans who do not like things as they are but do not want civil war might listen and wonder if the risks to removing the regime are worth it. the colonel's leadership style is eccentric, but he is hitting back part in slowing the rebe

forces back in two thousand and seven captured the al qaeda personnel files in the an area in iraq near the syrian border and what they found was in terms of terrorists per capita libya was by far the most active center for the recruitment of jihad is to go into iraq and kill the u.s. and the nato forces saudi arabia sent more individual fighters but in terms of population libya was the champion but not all of libya especially this area of benghazi and above all the city of donna donna is a town of about fifty or seventy thousand people and they were at the absolute world champion number one in the world in terms of sending terrorists into iraq and they were doing this they'd be riyadh the capital of saudi arabia even though riyadh is a city of four or five million people and it is much smaller again fifty to sixty thousand people by some estimates it's so intense that in the city of daraa you've got about one thousand population that that's enough to send one terrorist fighters or one terrorist or a thousand or fifteen hundred population at the most in this is not simply a study that i

and yemen is the place where al qaeda has their strongest base. >> they are concern body presence of al qaeda inside yemen's borders and also concerned about protecting their relationship" president's son and nephew who were carrying out counterterrorism operations in partnership with american military planners. >> the future of yemen hangs in the balance. these armored vehicles are manned by troops loyal to the president. he appealed for unity warning a coo attempt would lead to a civil war. the colnel in the rebel forces said he was opposing what he called a criminal regime. holding far while pressure is put on the president to step down. >> in a number of news agencies are reporting that four people, at least, have been killed in the syrian city after the syrian army stormed a mosque there in the town. protesters were demanding reform. indeed it is reported that four people lost $lives while these protesters met in the area there. earlier today the governor of the region was dismissed in response to the demonstrators. the protests were taking place over the last few weeks in syria

khaddafi again blamed al qaeda and a foreign conspiracy for the unrest. he says the plot to control the -- he says it is a plot to control the country and its oil resources. let us stay with libya. earlier, i spoke to a journalist in a town near the tunisian border, zawiyah. >> hundreds of people are coming through every day. they are trying to get to the tunisian border. >> are they foreigners, or libyans? >> mostly, they are foreigners. it is indians, egyptians, bangladeshis. >> tell me about -- is the government in control in your town? >> that are not in control of the city. it is with the people. there is no organization, nothing. just the people. i revolted against the gaddafi regime because everybody was tired from the injustice and his ways. they have been killing people, committing crimes. these people do everything they want, like it is their town, stealing our money, stealing our rights, stealing our right of speech. it is disastrous. >> to you expect gaddafi's forces to come back and bite you again to try to take control? >> of course. current

al qaeda is our problem. it's not yemen's biggest problem. i think we need to not have a dialogue that we support the government and will provide them military and security assistance at the expense of the people. everyone sees that we're supporting the regime at the expense of the people. >> suarez: does instability in yemen also threaten a sort of open playground for the very forces that the united states has been worried about in that part of the arabian peninsula? >> absolutely. i think as you see the government's capacity decrease and you see their presence erode from throughout parts of the country and bigger cities you see the spaces in between get larger and larger. it's those spaces that al qaeda or other organizations or other oppositions take root. it's not just an issue in yemen but a regional issue and a domestic security issue in this country. it is a threat to security. >> suarez: this is not a country dotted with big cities or a densely populated place. when we see things happening in the capital, what do we know about what's

and military strategy with an equilibrium with a condition that they serve their relations with al-qaeda, then we will have, we will prove the fact you can have a political solution that leaves terrorism and al-qaeda out in the cold. >> charlie: we conclude this evening with jeff greenfield, his new book is called and then everything changed. >> my feeling without sounding like a former president is bring it on because you can have your own alternate history. i mean i would be insane if i said this is what had to happen. the whole point of this book is that fate plays this role. >> charlie: the war in afghanistan, jeff greenfield and an appreciation of david broder when we continue. it's happening every day, all across america. every time a storefront opens. or the midnight oil is burned. or when someone chases a dream, not just a dollar. they are small business owners. so if you wanna root for a real hero, support small business. shop small. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: we begin tonight a series of conve

and indeed, we see al qaeda looking for sanctuaries all the time, frankly.hey are as i mentioned earlier under considerable pressure in their north wi seer stan sanctuary, and there is a search for other locations. and afghanistan would be an attractive location were the taliban to control large swathes of it once again. indeed, there is a small presence of al qaeda in afghanistan, some probably less than 100. we killed the number three leader of al qaeda in afghanistan several months ago, and have detained another very important individual there as well. and we do see the exploration, if you will, of certain possible sanctuari sanctuaries. the other thing to remember is the one i made in my opening statement. that is it is only recently we have gotten inputs right in afghanistan. as undersecretary flournoy explained, there were a number of years where our focus was elsewhere, where afghanistan an economy of force effort to use the military terminology, and it is only since late 2008, early 2009 that we have focused back on afghanistan and have deployed the

congressman has warned that al qaeda is actively recruiting u.s. muslims for violent attacks within the country. peter king was speaking at a congressional committee looking at the radicalization of u.s. muslims. critics say the hearing is feeding anti-islamic sentiment, as steve king now reports from washington. >> a question that's unleashed a political storm. is muslim america doing enough to root out the enemy within? this is the questioner, peter king, a defiant republican congressman from new york. >> i remain convinced that these hearings must go forward and they will. to back down would be a surrender and an abdication of what i believe to be the main responsibility of this committee, to protect america from a terrorist attack. >> democrats alluded to mr. king's past links with political violence. he was once a vocal supporter of the i.r.a. but their main objection is that these hearings could alienate muslim americans, even drive them into the arms of terrorists. >> this hearing today is playing into al qaeda right now around the world. >>

. >> charlie: even if it was only in response to al-qaeda, you don't think -- >> but al-qaeda -- >> charlie: that was located and originated from afghanistan. >> but we'd have to declare war then charlie. the congress would have to declare war and we would have to understand exactly what we were doing, going after al-qaeda and responding appropriately. i don't believe we need to give any president the authority to use force or to go to war anywhere, ever. i think that's our responsibility and we did not do that, and here we are. >> charlie: but on this situation, you know, you talked to admiration for the president. >> i do. >> charlie: you're in a very different place from the president on this because he says almost compared to iraq which is sort of the bad war he believes that afghanistan is necessary. >> he said that during the campaign and i disagreed with him on that. every time i hear it i flinch. we need to get out by the deadline that he established. >> charlie: he's recently announced they will begin in a small way to leave some people small amount of people i awe many zoom in jul

general petraeus said himself that there are only about one hundred members of al qaeda even left in afghanistan so if afghanistan isn't where they are if the mountains of pakistan if there was here a stand is the safe haven then what do we do about that right. we keep fighting a war that we do spend hundreds of billions of dollars on if the safe haven isn't even where we are because i think the. you know look that's very rude to to to do that right but i think they agree that part of the solution of dealing with pakistan is dealing with afghanistan and that's the reason why they call it because they go together i mean if you if you run away afghanistan they just walk back in from pakistan just like when we pushed them out of afghanistan they went into pakistan you have to deal with both sides of the problem the pakistani side the problem is hard but the pakistani problem so the problem gets a lot harder if you walk away from afghanistan and you let the taliban walk him that doesn't explain how you deal with no it doesn't go. you have to look out with the taliban is the taliban are p

some democrats up here today were so upset they insisted this hearing itself would be used by al qaeda as a recruiting tool that radicals could claim as proof that the u.s. government really is at war with islam. this hearing, the lead up to it, all the controversy followed avidly, of course, by muslim american communities coast-to-coast. our traci grant today was in san francisco. that's where she is live. traci. >> reporter: well, steve c.a.r.e. stands for the council on american islamic relations and describes itself as the nation's largest muslim civil rights advocacy group. we spoke to someone from c.a.r.e. today who compares it to the naacp in its efforts to promote justice and empower this people who worship here at this mosque in san francisco as well as muslims across the country. she say this one thing c.a.r.e. just isn't is a terrorist organization. >> we were concerned that congressman peter king and some of his colleagues would use the hearings as an opportunity to paint opposition to c.a.r.e. >> reporter: she says her concerns were justified. she woke up early this mornin

we do have al qaeda under pressure as never before. the military search and our civilian search, because when i became secretary of state, we had 300 civilians in afghanistan, and most of them were on six month rotations. we were not doing our part to be a good partner to our military colleagues. we now have nearly 1200 civilians, and they or their day in and day out in some of the roughest terrain you can find anywhere. our military commanders literally tell me every week that we cannot succeed without a strong civilian partner for our military efforts. equally important is our assistance to pakistan. as the chairman said, we are trying to deepen our relationships. there are many challenges confronting us, but we know what happens when we walk away from pakistan. we did away from pakistan. after so much sacrifice in iraq , we have a chance to help the iraqi people build a stable, democratic country in the heart of the middle east. while we are hoping that what happens in egypt and tunisia will be positive, we have already had election

and i would just like to emphasize also the secretary said about al qaeda. i think it's a fundamental, almost none to defeat, but certainly it is a less than or msh that completely undermines the strategy of al qaeda. >> admiral mullen, can you talk a little bit about as a result of their trip last week, what adjustments you feel the u.s. military needs to be making right now and needs to be working on because of the changes and events in terms of the u.s. oteri relationship with any of these countries? secretary gates, a baker advice on that as well. >> i'm not sure about some significant adjustments right away. i think it's really important to stay engaged with them and as i said listen to what their concerns are. they actually want us to stay with them milks the mill. i want to see, you know, the assistance immediately cut off. they won a chance in their own countries to work on this kind of change specifically. i've engaged my counterparts a number of time. they greatly appreciate the relationship and are working their way through it and they appreciate

face on it and he's been taking credit for us killing al qaeda in yemen and now he's been outed he's going to be a target of al qaeda he's going to be a target of terrorist organizations muslim brotherhood throughout the middle east because of this idiot manning now i know i've been stuck in the studio for a while but was he manning was actually charged i mean there was those part of the information that he put in the lady gaga. legibly put it here in the city i was in the scouts of the bigger isolationism doesn't get the bigger issue which is that i thought you know how i was i was born in russia but i thought in america you had a constitutional right to a fair trial by jury but i did i started there's a lot i said if he's guilty move i don't want to have do i have to say that every time before i say something at the plant where operating of the assumption that i've said at the beginning i will say it again now the blanket overarching theme of this is everything i say can be prefaced with a three word phrase if he's guilty karma and then whatever i say we don't know if he's guilty o