but in yemen when you're talking about al qaeda, even though it's the strongest link of the al qaeda're talking about only 700 people. that's one of the most fascinating things when it comes to counterterrorism forces and officials in yemen. even though the numbers aren't large, analysts say maybe 700 to 1,000 active members, but it's an emboldened group. it's people who have learned from other al qaeda terrorists and have been able to launch spectacular attacks and sophisticated attacks from their base in the mountains of yemen. that would seem to be counterintuitive. you wouldn't think they would be able to do that in such a rugged terrain. that's why they have been targeted. that's why anwar al awlaki has been targeted. >> we have to take a break, but we'll be back with more on this breaking news that anwar al breaking news that anwar al awlaki has been killed in yemen. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> good morning to you. it's friday, september 30th. allie has the day off. we begin with breaking news. the leader of al qaeda is dead. >> the administration is confirming th

al qaeda is his vision. he had the vision to take many nationalist groups and put them under an umbrella. zawahiri is the one who directed it. but there were times they came into conflict. for instance, in 1995 when zawahiri blew up the industry in islamabad, bin laden was supposed to that. a lot of the al qaeda guys were there and having sanctuary in pakistan and the pakistanis serious. they were going to expel them to their own countries and bin laden had to fly from khartoum up to islamabad and arrive at airline tickets for all these guys to go back to sudan. i would say telling moment. because although they saved these guys, they were real terrorists. al qaeda at that point hadn't become a terrorist organization. and moreover, their allegiance was to zawahiri, not bin laden. sequences sometimes zawahiri led him into deeper water and forced his actions. >> host: we talk in the stories that couldn't shoot straight. the stories you tell her fascinating. they be almost humorous if they weren't so foreboding

is al qaeda a player here? >> al qaeda is a player, but it is a different al qaeda. it is not centered in afghanistan with contacts in pakistan. it is in yemen. it is in somalia. it is in nigeria. it is a number of places. they seem to be more and more independent of central authority. they're planning their own attacks. in the same way, these attacks are not necessarily 9/11. their individual attacks for individual people, such as the fellow who tried to put the bomb in times square, or the fellow on the plane, the underpants bomber. that seems to be the new strategy. it is difficult to defend against. it is coming from different places. it is one or two people, rather than a whole group. we have to get ahead of that. this is a different kind of al qaeda. >> i think that is part of our success. al qaeda does not have a huge refuge in which to plan deliberately. these smaller groups are attacking people in their immediate neighborhood. they do not seem to have been able to put anything like 9/11 together. the damage they are doing is in their immediate vicinity, with

a new kind of al qaeda figure?ll, no, i mean al qaeda has been doing those sorts of things, they were doing that in the past. and there are many elements of al qaeda that are still doing those sorts of things. but most of that content is produced in arabic, others in german, turkish, french. many different languages. but it was awlaki that was doing it in eng lush. so it was awlaki that was speaking to americans and awlaki that was speaking to brits, for example. and that's why he was different. and it is that sort of personal story that gave him power and the ability to bring people into the movement. because there were things that he lacked. he lacked for example, battlefield experience. he was not a commander. he didn't have the historical experience in afghanistan and the personal trust with the very senior central al qaeda figures. so he was not a bin laden level figure but he was somebody that was able to communicate with western muslims in a very unique sort of way. >> suarez: but while bin laden was holed u

the man is believed to be a part of al qaeda's leadership. saif al adel is on the list, of the most wanted terrorists. he is said to have trained the extremists from around the world in afghanistan. and they are now believed back in their native countries leading al qaeda's local branches. >> translator: safe -- saif al adel gave recruits military training. he's like a mentor for regional al qaeda leaders in countries like yemen, morocco and somalia. >> reporter: he said that al qaeda may commit even more acts of terrorism if its local organizations gets stronger and the leaders of the operations have military capabilities. >> translator: arabs used to lead al qaeda, but now, the network has leaders around the world. the network must be planning even more serious attacks than the ones ten years ago. >> reporter: ten years since 9/11, al qaeda has lost its charismatic leader, but with new leaders it's still a potential threat worldwide. go sawatha, nhk world, sanaa. >>> next in 9/11, defining a decade, a report about an artist making a sculptu

helping recruit for al qaeda? >> no. >> reporter: not at all? >> no. >> reporter: helping recruit for terrorism? >> not at all. >> reporter: he fled to yemen where he became the chief prop gannist for al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. his latest edition was published just this week, a tribute to the anniversary of 9/11. it was that signature attack, of course, which defined al qaeda. at the time in 2001 al-awlaki was an imam at this this virginia mosque. while the f.b.i. was never able to connect him directly to the attacks, we nowak back had at least some contact with three of the hijackers who attended his sermons. now, the death of al-awlaki comes, of course, just five months after the killing of osama bin laden. that makes it a double body blow to the terror organization, but officials caution that al qaeda, l.aally al-awlaki's branch in yemen remains very dangerous, bob. >> pelley: so, bob, what do think they the connection was that he had with the 9/11 folks? >> reporter: they're not sure. we know two of th

>> absolutely. >> so al-qaeda is unwelcome? >> absolutely. >> i think al-qaeda is a spent force, and there's also the money factor. i don't think the money is there anymore because of osama bin laden. he brought a lot of money in. money and terrorism go hand in hand. people can be bought. >> i agree. >> that means we're living in the era of lone wolf terrorism. that's hard to get on a big scale. and it can usually be found out. >> i would agree. but there's still -- >> dangerous. that's timothy mcveigh and that can be very dangerous, john. >> not if you're on the alert for it. the way we have a condition of ongoing alerts. should be -- should we be on a status now at and period of wartime alerts? >> look at major hassan, the single terrorist at fort hood, 13 dead soldiers, 29 wounded. >> on a different scale with al- qaeda, obviously. >> president obama just on friday afternoon renewed some proclamation that the u.s. is on emergency alert because of terrorism, and i guess -- >> who? >> the president, our president. so -- i thin

al qaeda in the arabian peninsula., selling thousands upon thousands of dvds offering recruitment and money raising opportunities for the radical and his allies. his killing plays into yemeni politics in a big way. president saleh had been targeted three months ago in an assassination attempt. he had just come back from saudi arabia, where he had been recovering from his wounds. his return to a yemen on the verge of civil war, al qaeda has taken control of three provinces. saleh wants u.s. backing to shore up his failing 30-year leadership, helping the u.s. bring down al qaeda is how his supporters hope he'll get it. >> now, let's bring in cnn senior international correspondent, nic robertson. nic, in terms of operations, what does this mean for al qaeda in the arabian peninsula? >> well, it certainly means a psychological blow. al awlaki was hugely influential in recruitment, if you will, his sort of dvd sales, thousands upon thousands, his online sort of peaspeeches also very popula will mean it will be harder for al

that is al-qaeda.volvement in the so-called underwear bomber's failed plot to blow up the detroit bound plane on christmas day, 2009. and he inspired the deadly shooting rampage at fort hood that very same year. >> repeatedly called on individuals in the united states and around the globe to kill innocent men, women, and children that advance an agenda. >> considered the most significant since

so that's the importance of al qaeda in yemen.he government of yemen has been under fire for its attacks on its own civilian. president saleh just recently returning to yemen after an assassination attempt. so you have a real situation here where the government that's in control that could do something about al qaeda perhaps very fragile, already under fire. so if the two countries have been able to cooperate on this, the u.s. certainly wants to show this as cooperation with a very, shall we say, sensitive ally. and the yemeni government wants to show that it's going after al qaeda even as it knows it remains under fire with people calling for political and democratic reform inside that country. >> barbara starr, thank you for the breaking news. obviously putting it all into context for us. >>> up next, the bank that will now charge you, believe it or not, $5 to use your debit card. guess what? it might be just the first of many banks to try that. it's megan. i'm getting new insurance. marjorie, you've had a policy with us for thr

we just have to be mindful of that. >> al qaeda is still a threat? >> al qaeda is a threat. as we've seen it's not only al qaeda it's really an organization so -- the cross hairs -- you have related organizations that have spun up. you've got yemen in sudan and as you reported, we've arrested more and more individuals in the united states. frankly i think the profile of the terrorist that we were worried about right after 9/11 is dramatically changed. the sanctuarying where they trained have changed. we now have domestic terrorists. over the past ten years they've become more adept at using the internet to pros he these and educate. we're still a threat. it's a risk we can manage and it's the mind set we have to take. credible source, not a lot of specific information. we're not surprised. we're going to add security. people are going to see some of it. and some of it they're not going to see. >> tom ridge, thank you so much. >>> and president obama hit the road today to step up pressure on congress to pass his jobs bill once the legislation's wring. he says that $447 billio

one of al qaeda's most visible leaders is dead. a u.s. drone killed him. does anyone have a problem with that? >>> florida republicans defy tradition and move up their primary. >>> the richest self-made wolf in the world and it's not oprah. >>> we begin with breaking news, the news you need to know right now. a just released bulletin from the fbi and the department of homeland security warns that u.s. and western based sympathizer sympathizers on anwar al alaki. the government is concerned about the possibility that al qaeda in the arabian peninsula could attempt to retaliate. the agencies face an increased challenge in detecting terrorist plots underway by individuals or small groups acting quickly and independently. al awalaki was a top member of al qaedaing and personally declared war on the u.s. a missile from the u.s. drone hit his car in yemen. president obama makes no apology and calls his death a major blow to al qaeda. >> he directed the failed attempt to blow up an airplane on christmas day. in 200 he directed the failed attempt to blow up cargo

a huge blow to al qaeda.web may have inspired the fort hood shooter and suspected underwear bomber. nic robertson will join us more on this key kill in a moment. >>> closing arguments in the amanda knox murder appeal continue today in italy. a never before seen look at her life before bars. obtained these photos of a local rock band that played a few gigs in prison. showing her dancing. she befriended and confided in band members. shep was convicted of a gruesome murder of her college housemate in italy. >>> and due back in court, 29-year-old louis sanchez and the other man pleaded not guilty. stow continues to make significant improvements and is able to go oits lautside last wr the first time. >>> jurors hear more testimony about the doctor accused of causing michael jackson's death. jackson's bodyguard aburto alvarez says he called 911 on the day jackson died but conrad murray made a stunning request first. >> -- at the foot of the bed he reached over and grabbed a handful of vials, and then he reached out

third, as al qaeda evolves, and the nature of the threat posed by al qaeda and its affiliates changes, we will continually adapt and expand our counter-terrorist financing efforts to meet the shifting challenge. most importantly, we are increasing efforts to combat the financial support networks for al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, al qaeda in the islamic maghreb, al shabaab, and others inspired by, or possibly affiliated with, al qaeda, such as boko haram. attacking these groups' finances presents new and different challenges, because their means and methods of funding and facilitation differ from al qaeda's traditional donor-based fundraising model. they also differ among one other. working with our colleagues in the intelligence community and our partners around the world, we will devise disruption strategies tailored to the ways in which each group raises, stores, and moves money. fourth, we are focusing on emerging trends in how terrorists raise money, most importantly, the increased use of kidnapping-for-ransom, which is quickly becoming a critical funding source for al qaeda

is al qaeda still a player here? >> al qaeda is certainly a player. it is a different al qaeda. it is not the al qaeda we dealt with on the 9/11 commission that was centered in pakistan. it is diverse. it is in somalia and nigeria and a number of other places. they seem to be more and more independent from any central authority. they are planning their own attacks. these attacks are not necessarily 9/11's. they are individual attacks and individual people, such as the guy who tried to put the bomb in times square and the underpants bomber. that seems to be the new strategy. it is difficult to defend against. it is coming from different places. we have got to get ahead of that and realize we have to depend on now. it is a different kind of al qaeda. >> that is part of our success. al qaeda does not have a huge refuge from which to plan elaborately. these smaller de-centralized groups are attacking people in their own neighborhood. they don't seem to be able to put anything remotely like 9/11 together. the damage is in their immediate the vicinity. >> you cannot look for someone w

al qaeda cannot destroy america. ourselves. >> in terms of al qaeda, i mean, we know they are severely weakened. when you look at the potential threats out there, is it al qaeda central that you look to or is it more the al qaeda peninsula, the u.s. born cleric and groups in yemen or elsewhere? >> there are two threats that i see that are real. amwaralaki i think is a very dangerous individual. he was involved in al qaeda, i'm convinced, early on. the first two al qaeda hijackers who came to america in january of 2000 went to san diego where he was an iman. they followed him all across america when he went to virginia. so i think that he was closely tied into al qaeda then. he's the natural real successor to bin laden. and he has advantages bin laden didn't have. he's a fluent english speaker. he's an american citizen. and he has the religious authority that bin laden never had. but there's another threat that i see as something of concern. and that's -- >> the group that we saw that was involved in the attacks in mu

al qaeda cannot destroy america.e do that ourselves. >> in terms of al qaeda, we know they're severely weakened. you look at the threat out there, is it al qaeda central that you look to or is it more of the al qaeda arabian peninsula, al awalaki? >> i think anwar awalaki is a dangerous individual and he was involved in al qaeda early on. the first two hijackers went to san diego where he was in imam. they followed him all across america when he went to virginia. i think he was closely tied into al qaeda then. he's a natural real successor to bin laden and he has advantages that bin laden didn't have. he's a fluent english speaker, the american citizen, and the religious authority that bin laden never had. but there's another threat that i see is something of concern. that that's lashkar itaiba. >> the group involved in the attacks in mumbai. >> that's a state-sponsored terror group sponsored by the pakistani intelligence association. they're very fluid. people are members of both organizations. they go back and fort

me former cia man who was obama who was osama bin laden's truck and so i asked him whether the al qaeda leader's death has changed anything in world politics. hello again they're welcome to spotlight the interview show on the arts retired calvin oliver and today we're charting a ballot nine eleven. this year marks the tenth anniversary of september eleventh attacks in the united states two passenger airliners crashed into the world trade center buildings in new york and one into the pentagon building in d.c. almost three thousand people died in the attacks started a new era us led a war against terror which forty two major military operation in iraq and afghanistan just two months ago the u.s. enemy number one salah bin ladin was killed in pakistan but did his death really change any of the ten years down being produced any result except the growing insurgency on the one hand and islamophobia on the other we're asking the former chief obvious i'm a bin laden tragedy units in the cia michael. who were still attack in u.s. history terrorists hijacked four planes and two of them into the t

al qaeda cannot destroy america.we can do that to ourselves. >> in terms of al qaeda, i mean, we know they are severely weakened. when you look at the potential threats out there, is it al qaeda central that you look to or is it more the al qaeda peninsula, the u.s. born cleric and groups in yemen or elsewhere? >> there are two threats that i see that are real. amwaralaki i think is a very dangerous individual. he was involved in al qaeda, i'm convinced, early on. the first two al qaeda hijackers who came to america in january of 2000 went to san diego where he was an iman. they followed him all across america when he went to virginia. so i think that he was closely tied into al qaeda then. he's the natural real successor to bin laden. and he has advantages bin laden didn't have. he's a fluent english speaker. he's an american citizen. and he has the religious authority that bin laden never had. but there's another threat that i see as something of concern. and that's -- >> the group that we saw that was involved in

they say his grip on al qaeda is not as strong as bin laden's. but the man who claims to have worked with al qaeda doesn't see it that way. nasr bahari spoke to us in yemen. who is he? al bahari says he worked as bin laden's bodyguard until the year before the 9/11 attacks. >> translator: al qaeda has been reorganizing since bin laden's death and will likely regain momentum. >> reporter: he cited the name of a key person in the organization. he's a former officer in egypt military, the man is believed to be a part of al qaeda's leadership. saif al adel is on the list of the most wanted terrorists. he is said to have trained extremists from around the world in afghanistan and they are now believed back in their native countries, leading al qaeda's local branches. >> translator: saif al adel is like a mentor in countries like yemen, morocco and somalia. >> reporter: al bahri says he will commit acts of terrorism if his local organization gets stronger and the leaders with the operation have military capabilities. >> translator: arabs used to lead a

then, on october 12, 2000, al qaeda struck.e guided missile destroyer uss "cole" was the target of a suicide mission. 17 sailors died. >> john came to me and said, "it's al qaeda," and... and i totally agreed with him. and he said, "you got to get to the director, and we got to get this so the new york office responds initially." >> narrator: it took hours for barry mawn to convince director freeh to let new york take the lead and to authorize o'neill as the on-scene commander. >> interviewer: washington headquarters of the fbi happy that o'neill was going? >> i... my recollection is that i got questioned on it. "is john the best guy to send?" and i had no hesitancy and said, "absolutely, he's the best guy to send." >> interviewer: why would they have said that? >> well, again, i think it kind of goes back to a little bit of the history john had with some of the folks back there, that there was probably some questioning as, "well, do we want to send o'neill." and, "he does have sharp elbows." or, "his style may be..." they were

has al qaeda been hurt?> i think we have lost representative peter king. we had some troubles in the initial transmission but anyway, glad to have spoken for the time we did. >>> well, here's a look at what is topping the news now. attention target shoppers, keep you eyes peeled for a customer because it just might be the first lady. right there. michelle obama spotted pushing a cart around at target in virginia yesterday. wearing a hat and sunglasses, supposedly buying food and toys for dog bo and recognized by the cashier who rang her up. the first lady said she misses normal stuff like running errands since moving to the white house. >>> a 67-year-old man's being hailed as a miracle survivor today rescued by his own family. david lebo was pulled from the bottom of a california ravine days after the car plunged at least 150 feet down. his children found him in their own search. >> i thought i heard a voice and screamed down there. and then, someone said, help. i finally got to him. and of course, i hugged

he admitted that al qaeda and saddam were working together. he admitted that al qaeda and saddam were working together on wmds. that information was given as evidence to secretary powell, and colin powell went to the u.n. everybody remembers that speech. >> i can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how iraq provided training in these weapons to al qaeda. after we went to iraq, after we found out that there is no wmds, after we found out that al qaeda and saddam were not working together, they went back to ibn sheikh al-libi-- and this is all according to the armed services committee-- and they asked him, "why did you lie?" he said, "well, i gave you what you want to hear. >> smith: he complied. >> absolutely. >> "i want the torture to stop. i gave you anything you want to hear." >> smith: but the consequences of that... >> tragic, absolutely. the world is different. look at all the blood that we lost in iraq. look about how the iraq war helped al qaeda, both with recruits and financially. it's tragic, tragic. >> smith: toda

some of bin laden's tracker under the spotlight to ask if the leader of al qaeda is death made the world any safer that's up next. hello again i welcome to spotlight the interview show on r c i'll do it all from today we're talking about nine eleven. this year marks the tenth anniversary of september eleventh attacks in the united states to passenger airliners crashed into the world trade center buildings in new york and one into the pentagon building in the city almost three thousand people died in the attacks started a new era u.s. led a war against terror which sparked two major military operation in iraq and afghanistan just two months ago the u.s. enemy number one salah bin ladin was killed in pakistan but did his death really change it did the ten year downplaying produce any result except the growing insurgency on the one hand and islamophobia on the other we're asking the former chief of the a family bin laden tracking unit in the cia michael shelley. who were stare at tuck in u.s. history terrorists hijacked four planes and two of them into the twin towers of the world trade cen

targeted at the white house in washington but crashed into a filled the horrific attacks which al qaeda eventually admitted left some three thousand innocent people dad and created a perception that no place is safe from the threat of extremists from the immediate u.s. response was through war on terror declared by president george w. bush it instigated highly controversial military complains in iraq and afghanistan . they were in terror has been criticised many times it's counterproductive because in a further escalation of violence one of the legacies of nine eleven is the guantanamo bay detention base where alleged terrorists have been held the math that's used have been condemned by organizations like amnesty international and human rights watch is something which turns a war on terrorism in turn the act of terrorism in itself another sign of the post nine eleven world is a rise in islam of increasing with evident in the u.s. and europe it took america ten years to locate and eliminate osama bin laden the mastermind of nine eleven the nun's month of the death of the u.s. as most wan

you can be al-qaeda by not being al-qaeda. all they did was just hear what was going on in the world around them and did something. and for sure he goes back to afghanistan and says people came to afghanistan for all different reasons. some just wanted to fight, some were bored, some were social pariahs, had nowhere else to go, some people were true believers. you need a theory that can incompass all these people. some were really smart, others just wanted to go out and kill. we need to create a system that's inclusive enough to bring this together, and i think this has been one of the inherent schizophrenic attributes of al-qaeda is that it was built to be an exclusive elitist organization, and they realize you can't sustain that because human organizations, according to surrey, always fail. humans make mistakes, they get captured, they get killed. organizations based on exclusivist tendencies always fail. what you need is a decentralized, global, social movement that's inclusionist and welcoming. this is why he was so angry

what it probably could never have done by itself the occupation of iraq made al qaeda it turned out to rather from a man and a group into a philosophy and a movement and now we're living with that philosophy and that movement mr sure why did you. say that bin ladin i quote died a success isn't it an overestimation of a terrorist death that had to be in deep hiding for the last couple of days or years rather of his life. i don't think it's an overestimation at all perhaps it's an underestimation asama bin laden was the one person in the muslim world in the arab world especially who stood up and defied the united states in words and deeds and indeed enticed us into coming into afghanistan where we have lost that war so he will be remembered both as as a very brave man and as someone who is more effective than any muslim government has ever been in challenging the united states but i think more important the west has always missed the point they've they've kind of refused to listen to what osama bin laden said over the past sixteen years and that was al qaeda and bin laden himself were

is al qaeda a player here? >> al qaeda is a player, but it is a different al qaeda. it is not centered in afghanistan with contacts in pakistan. it is in yemen. it is in somalia. it is in nigeria. it is a number of places. they seem to be more and more independent of central authority. they're planning their own attacks. in the same way, these attacks are not necessarily 9/11. their individual attacks for individual people, such as the fellow who tried to put the bomb in times square, or the fellow on the plane, the underpants bomber. that seems to be the new strategy. it is difficult to defend against. it is coming from different places. it is one or two people, rather than a whole group. we have to get ahead of that. this is a different kind of al qaeda. >> i think that is part of our success. al qaeda does not have a huge refuge in which to plan deliberately. these smaller groups are attacking people in their immediate neighborhood. they do not seem to have been able to put anything like 9/11 together. the damage they are doing is in their immediate vicinity, with

and yemen, home to al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. a.q.a.p. has tried twice in two years to hit the united states, first with the underwear bomb, and later with explosives hidden in printers. >> they're innovative and trying to move things quickly and that does pose a challenge to the united states and our allies. >> reporter: now, the u.s. has not yet brought the same amount of pressure on a.q.a.p. as it has on al qaeda but it's a good bet, scott, the yemen group will be a top target. >> pelley: bob, thanks very much. we're going to take you to a place in america where there are more jobs than applicants. we'll introduce you to the u.s. marine who received the medal of honor today. and you'll meet the motorcycle rider who survived this crash. when the "cbs evening news" continues. [ dog ] i am a rockstar. my coat? solid gold. my insides? pure platinum. [ female announcer ] a healthy outside starts inside. new iams simple & natural has chicken as its number one ingredient and zero fillers. it works inside for health you can see on the outside.

we differ had it ends ways and means assessment of this enemy that is what ends is al qaeda pursuing and what are the ways in which it ways and means by which they want to achieve those goals there was a focus on their goal of establishing a caliphate and their tactic of terrorism but there was this resolved disconnect between that goal and their tactics if you look at bin laden's both biography and also his public statements it's very clear that he had the economy and i had even before the nine eleven attacks i have to say that in terms of our overall strategic assessment i think that that was an area where we've had a clear failure for the past decade now of course we have to remember that there was a financial crash and you mention the subprime mortgage crisis and we that wasn't because of al qaeda but this has contributed to our debt trillions of dollars in fact of spending now there has been on our record because of these wars that we waged but you know i also wonder. you bring up the fight between of muhammad ali and george foreman in one nine hundred seventy four as a way to l

bin laden's death in may dealt a stunning blow to al-qaeda. bin laden was, of course, an iconic figure, the group's only leader since its founding. we know now he was deeply involved in the end while directing the strategy, more deeply involved, in fact, than many assessed before we, able to exploit materials found with him. his long time deputy ayman al-zawahiri succeeded him in jew, but they find him last compelling as a leader. we thus assess he'll have more difficulty than bin laden had in maintaining the group's collective motivation in the face of continued pressure. the layer of top lieutenants under bin laden and ayman al-zawahiri, the group responsible for day-to-day management of al-qaeda in its operations sustained significant losses in recent years as well. these losses have been especially severe among terrorist plotters, commanders, trainers, and bomb makers. recently, pakistan announced the capture with u.s. assistance of unis who planned attacks against the interest of the united states and other countries. last month, al-qaeda

i never said al qaeda did that." i said, "do you know who flew the planes into the world trade center and the pentagon?" and i took the seven photos that he identified and put it in front of him. i said, "those, my friend, are not my sources; those are the people who flew the planes." he totally collapsed. >> logan: he collapsed? >> soufan: he put his hands like this on his face and went down. and he starts shaking. he knew what he did. >> logan: he knew that he... >> soufan: he just gave up bin laden, he just gave up al qaeda on 9/11. and after that, the level of cooperation was very different. we ended up spending days and days with him. >> logan: abu jandal provided nearly 100 pages of information, according to soufan's fbi report, including intricate details about al qaeda's "training facilities," "communications" and "weaponry." it was quite an achievement for someone who might best be described as an accidental fbi agent. soufan grew up in lebanon during that country's brutal civil war, and he moved with his fa

you've got other al qaeda type groups. and then we have, of course, the rise of our own home group terrorists, home group extremists that we have to deal with. so the threat is more diffuse. >> rose: what do you fear most? >> i don't rank them. but i will tell you what is the most difficult to prevent is-- . >> rose: better question. >> an individual actor who is not conspiring with anyone, who decides that he-- he or she is going to set off an ied. >> rose: the intent to do harm to america on part certain groups remains high and intense and forward moving? >> that's correct. that's correct. and unfortunately, the environment in which we live. so we accept that, you know, in a way as an elevated level of risk that is what we live with. but we also know that we have many different ways now to ierrupt plots or things that are aimed at the united states. >> rose: what's the level of cooperation with foreign governments? >> we have very-- . >> rose: depends. >> obviously it depends. but with our allies, with the u.k., with the

bad was the worst act of terrorism on american soil and the spark that ignited the war against al qaeda but despite the killing of osama bin laden the scars on the big apple remain as laura harford is found out as she spoke to people in europe. i think a day after the horrible nine eleven terrorist attacks on the us how is the world change this week let's talk about that the world is i won't say more dangerous but it's more like our tick saw things are predictable you don't know what what's going to happen next the life is much intense i think so no. every day can be the last and you think people around the world feel this way. i think in europe in america i think so i don't know you kind of more aware of a threat just more on the lookout do you think that people are around the world still keep that vigilance ten years later probably not as much as we did five years ago do you think that the amount of lives lost in the name of the war on terror has been worth feeling safer i think it's difficult being the common on to be honest i have a lot of friends that have fought over there and i w

he wouldn't be that significant a figure in al qaeda or even al qaeda and arabian peninsula, he's nothe leader of that group, he's not the bombmaker that got the underwear bomb on the flight. he's not the maker who put the two bombs in 2010. the bombmaker is still out there, which is sort of government shorthand for al qaeda and the arabian peninsula. the leaders of this group is still out there and the fact that he's no longer with us certainly makes everybody safer. >> does it weaken the recruiting? how much of an impact, peter? >> he's had a long record of almost near misses and eventually he'll get some very hard to detect bomb on to an american plane or western plane somewhere. >> you are making the point he wasn't the bombmaker and this isn't the guy you see holding the ak-47 in all the videos. he was the supreme recruiter, as he's been referred to. how much of an impact does taking al awlaki out, the fact that he's gone now, how much of an impact will that have on recruiting young radicals? >> i think it's going to be, you know, he was the principal recruiter in the english-spe