also because of al qaeda.have aspirations to come to america. and we still have covertpa operations intstan to keep our foot on the throat of the al qaeda leadership. we do that routinely. it was from one of those bases that wkilled osama bin laden. in afghanistan we have to worry about the al qaeda and isis d we needve to modest presence. laura: general jack keane, thank you so much for joining us. gen. keane: ok, you're welcome. laura: the u.s. secretary of state has reased a statement night calling out the taliban for escalating violence in afghanistan. you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come on tonight's mprogram, the brexit battes i the supreme court. now they will deciboris johnson was acting within the law to suspend parliament. laura: swimming english channel is not only an incredible feat, but a cancer survivor has become the first person to swinoit four timetop. sarah thomas of colorado completed the today.enge earlier more on this incredible story. reporter: it was in the early hour

al qaeda was founded 31 years ago. that's a long time for a terrorist group to still be functioning. they are functioning. the question is how much can they -- how much damage can they inflict. right now a local group along the afghanistan/pakistan border are focused on local issues. >> matthew, there have been reports about the death of hamza bin laden since july 31st. ryan brown talked about intelligence, pouring over intelligence for many months to confirm. what do you assess in this announcement from the white house that he is, in fact, dead? is it an issue of solidifying dna evidence or is it something else? >> it could be any range of things. look, if it's a drone strike or some other kind of operation, these things are done in places where the u.s. and its allies have very little presence on the ground and no ability to get to the scene. there have been times when -- it was a leader of the pakistan taliban killed three times before he was actually killed. you know, like peter said, this is a group that has been

the original al qaeda guys were very smart.khalid sheikh mohammed, the book talks about this, would sit in front of the whiteboard and explain the ideology of al qaeda. they are proud of 9/11. they were not apologetic. one explanation for why it was hard to get them to speak, i didn't do anything wrong. the motivation was interesting from an american perspective which typically is shortsighted and in some ways selfless, their motivation would be they would say it won't come in my generation or my children's generation but maybe my grandchildren's generation there will be an acknowledgment that the only way to live is by the rule of the book, the nations across the arab world, like saudi arabia and egypt, don't go by the rule of the book because the leaders are corrupt and the only way to take out those governments is to get rid of the americans because the americans are the backstop to these corrupt regimes with their philosophy was if you get the americans out, they felt we were week. they strike as an economic target in new y

be al qaeda folks that are inside of syria right now. >> so courtney, how does this impact al qaeda? >> reporter: well, jose, while hamza bin laden was being groomed to be the face of the future of al qaeda, u.s. officials do not believe he was actually leading any operations when he died his death is significant in its symbolism because of his family name. beyond that the real practical impact it's likely to have on the terror organization is the turmoil of finding another leader who can rally support around the world. jose >> courtney kube, thank you very much. >>> tropical storm humberto is impacting the bahamas right now, hitting the same areas devastated by hurricane dorian, jamie guirola from our >> reporter: relief mbto thousands of survivors from hurricane dorian now crowding shelters as the new menacing storm approaches in freeport deliveries delayed. and so are 20,000 meals. >> we just were not able to get on the ground there today but we will be getting there on the ground immediately as soon as the storm passes >> reporter: meanwhile, in abaco cleanup and recovery continu

>> it's a blow to al qaeda. the group itself, this is not a group that has tremendous capacity to plan real attacks against americans or western targets anymore. when the white house says it's a counterterrorism operation, that's code for a cia drone attack. this is where we know for sure the last time hamsa was located. you know, he's hardly alone in being killed by a drone attack in this area. literally dozens of al qaeda have been killed by drone attack in that region. the group is suffering a real crisis. they don't have a lot of leaders left. the leader who has been the leader since bin laden died really incompetent. the group itself has taken a lot of blows already. >> sarah, to you back at the white house, can you talk about the timing of this confirmation from the president, why this is sit. >> like we mentioned, we know this kill happened at least more than a month ago because cnn reported it in late july. the announcement is coming as the president's strategy in afghanistan is coming under scrutiny. he

and taliban still have a relationship, taliban haven't denounced al qaeda.ee it is questionable whether they have the ability to prevent other terrorist groups from operating effectively inside afghanistan should they come back to power. >> david, what kind of chatter will be monitored, what would the intelligence community look for in terms of response coming from the now confirmed death of hamza bin laden? >> there were several drone strikes near where i was held captive. foreign militants were killed when i was there, militants from use beck stan. my guards were angry, calling on cell phones and expressing anger. there may have been communications initially about hamza being killed and you would wait to see if new communications emerge over those several months, confirming he's alive. they were very angry. they saw these people that had been killed when i was captive as sort of great mujahideen, great leaders. i'm sure there was reaction like that when hamza bin laden was killed. >> good to see you both. thank you so much. >>> still to come, the debate ov

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attacks what it says was an al qaeda linked training camp and serious problems killing at least 14 people. are going to welcome back to the 4. yes well we're watching another storm developing here just to the west of the philippines following a storm that made landfall over here towards vietnam bringing very heavy rain in that region so the ground is already saturated over here in vietnam the storm though is going to develop in almost the same way as the previous one it tracked very quickly across the south china sea so we could possibly see a developing land fall here across much of vietnam by the time we get to tuesday or wednesday so when watching this very very carefully over the next few days well down towards the south we're going to be seeing some dry conditions across indonesia but we are going to see some more rain developing here across malaysia you know ahead been dry but as we go on the forecast map we do expect to see more heavy rain across much of that area up towards coaching it's going to be attempt a few in rainy at $32.00 degrees getting cloudy by the time we get towards

with al qaeda, i repeat.it's a very -- it's a complicated picture that isn't just a pure black and white situation. i hope i answered your question. >> and in your past negotiations, are there any that are analogous to this current dynamic that we have in afghanistan that you can point to? >> i would say in general terms yes, but i don't think that there's a clear and obvious template for this. i have looked -- i've done research on a sort of comparative analysis of peace agreements and peace processes around the world compared to the situation in afghanistan and there's no one situation you can point to. evening what you can say is one of the factors that makes peace making in afghanistan much more difficult than in other circumstances is that it's a stalemate, that you don't have -- this isn't columbia where the government was overwhelmingly more powerful than the farc. this isn't a situation like bosnia where the outside powers that were backing the inside powers really had the say and decided they were go

intercepted communications where al qaeda was talking about coming to the united states. i started those briefings and one of the things that was so evident and that was spoken around some of those tables was a simple concept. we anticipated a second wave, what we call the second way for years. the second way was we anticipated would be another 911. perhaps worse because al qaeda had an anthrax program that we didn't not follow fully understand. for months, and longer we did not understand research and development, we did not understand whether they had taken strained and anthrax out of afghanistan's. there was concerned the it might not be aircraft but anthrax. an attitude that was a fundamental problem. we did not understand the adversary. the human penetration that the bread-and-butter of a human source of a human informant organization like ci the human source penetration and this is operative speaking to me, not me speaking. people are ran operations against al qaeda would tell you the human source penetration was a lot. so the midst of america watching horrific vide

i see no evidence that they were going to break with al qaeda.umber four as it is highlighted in my testimony as well in 2014 there's plenty of evidence throughout the country they serve as religious and military instructors and remain embedded in the town of them and special inspector general submitted to congress earlier this year the fact that there are many members that are dual members that is how integrated they are so a lot of times you can't even tell who is. in terms of counterterrorism assurances, there is a sort of constellation of groups fighting under their banner in afghanistan. i see no reason to believe the taliban agreed to restring them in any meaningful way. we are talking about the union and the party that fights in afghanistan and the reports i cite in my testimony or document the presence and i find it hard to believe that they would restrain all of them. thank you. >> thank you. mr. phillips. thank you, mr. chairman and to the witnesses. i will start with you and clearly from your testimony, you have little faith or confide

the taliban has never separated itself from al qaeda, the fight hand-in-hand with al qaeda.talks with taliban are dead as the administration works to withdraw us troops from afghanistan. rob: without a peace deal what is the best path forward to ending america's longest war? here to weigh in is rebecca heinrich. a lot of people are worried there is no way out of this, no right answer. what do you think? >> there are only bad choices before us. the problem is deciding which one is the least bad? which what is going to optimize protection of the american people and honor all those lives the we have lost and the treasury we have sunk into trying to bring justice on behalf of those lost on september 11th and making sure we neutralize the threat to americans we don't have subsequent attacks like september 11th. jillian: the united states military has not done what is necessary because policymakers in washington to vanquish the al qaeda and taliban over the 18 years we have been there. our best move forward to not negotiate with the taliban, harbor and protect our qaeda but it is

al qaeda in 2001. we gave them that choice. hand overl qaeda's leaders and we won't come after you. declined to do it. spent 18 years in the wildernef for the sakehat link to al qaeda. it would be an insult to the intelligence of anyone over the age of four to believe that this time they arious. laura: given everything you have said, why you think the u.s. administration got this far deal with the afgh taliban?eace ryan: the president, of course,g is theiator in chief even if he is not at the table. instructions, a basically what he has said is that we are coming home, we are pullingut, negotiate the besan deal you can'm bringing forces home. laura: ambassador ryan crocker, thanks for being with us. ryan thanks for having the. -- having me. laura: you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come on tonight's program, google is in the hot seat. multiple states are investigating whether the makes money by squashing the competition. laura:ur britain's james o'brien lost his sight after an acid att

another fox news alert, the elusive leader of al qaeda marking the anniversary of 9/11 by calling for attacks on the west. in a new video he urges jihadists to target the us, europe and israel specifically military bases. he was a key architect of the september 11th attacks, he took over al qaeda after usama bin laden was killed. disturbing billboards going up in baghdad, some reading death to america. one of showing what it looks like or what looks to be the ghost of the statue of liberty holding donald trump's head. the sign blaming the us for incivility in the middle east. the billboards are thought to be part of an anti-american and anti-israel campaign by pro-iranian groups. donald trump confirming a short list for john bolton's replacement one day after the national security adviser left the administration. sources say one of the 5 names being floated is mike pompeo and there are rumors the secretary of state could absorb the it is not unheard of. henry kissinger served both roles for president nixon. donald trump is expected to make a decision next week. the trump administratio

we said, you can join in the fight against al qaeda, or if you decide to stick with al qaeda and bing to come with lethal force. >> at the same time we're demanding all these other things, he's not going to forget about these two americans. >> release all foreign nationals, including american citizens you have unjustly imprisoned. >> you're going to do all these other things and by the way, you will turn over these foreigners, as well. >> either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. >> when we heard that speech, we were sitting in a meeting with some -- like top taliban, and they were laughing on it. >> the taliban rejected our overtures to turn over bin laden and to break away from al qaeda. taliban leadership had that opportunity, but they rejected it. >> and, therefore, these people went from being detainees to hostages. that's the way we were thinking about it now. if you ever have any questions, you call 1-877-522-5001. it means a lot pop. special moments with dos equis. keep it interesante. mom you've got to [ get yourself a new car.g ] i wish i could save faster. you

but he was not, i think a leader, current leader of al qaeda, an in the operational sense, so i think if his name'tt bthsame impact but terms of taking more of the leadership of al qaeda. >> brennan: the president continued negotiating with the taliban. >> the president should, wrong th planned, ill prepared summit, and it falling apart. at the end of the day there is only going to be one way to resolve the conflict in afghanistan and that's through the negotiation. but we should secure more than taliban promises in that negotiation in exchange for a drawdown of american troops, we have to inassist on at least a partial cease-fire so we can see that the taliban are both willing but also able to control their own elements. >> brennan: i want to ask you about some work you are doing here at home which was, you issued a subpoena on friday for the acting director of intelligence raw -- alleging he is withholding whistleblower disclosure possibly to protect president trump, that's a pretty significant allegation here. we are putting up a quote on the screen from you. have you gotten a resp

do we know what if any role he played in al qaeda? >> no, it is not really clear how important he was in the organization, al zawahri is still the leader. many believed his son was a rising figure inside the organization and that he had already at the age of 30 started to reach out to some al qaeda franchises and branch network groups to sort of start correlating operations, maybe help plan some. there was a legitimate concern that this was a future star leader of the organization. >> when osama bin laden was killed in 2011, items seized in the navy s.e.a.l. raid indicated he was grooming him to replace him as al qaeda leader. what is the status of the group now? is it considered a major player in global terrorism? >> it is still a viable terrorist network, they have a relationship with the taliban that the taliban has not renounced, why it is so important to move carefully here in negotiations in afghanistan with the taliban. that said, it is a shadow of its former self as an organization. it has been largely eclipsed by off chutes a

names al qaeda as one of the jihadists that they were fighghting against. afghan experts that say the links between taliban and al qaeda are very deep. they are historical, ideologigical. they are family members of these two groups that have intermarried. and there are taliban commananrs on the g ground like the leaderf the network that has close ties with al qaeda. some of the very key components of the deal was questionable. ,nd 18 years after this war there have been two u.s. presidents that are promised to end this war in afghanistan. we saw what happened in iraq when u.s. troops withdrew very hastily. .t could be a lot worse the terrain is a lot more rugged and impenetrable. this could come back to haunt u.s. security interests. u.s.esson should be politicians should not make promomises they cannot deliver n or they can only deliver at a great security risk to the u.s. >> thank you very much. you can read her article on the abrupt end to u.s. negotiations with the taliban on our website. i suggest you check out france 24.com. the isisraeli army has bon

al qaeda was responsible for the terror attacks, not the taliban. but the peace talks with the taliban, there were canceled. do you see this war having any end in the foreseeable future? pablo: well, as we know, president trump's foreign policy is unpredictable. now we know that just a few days ago it appeared that president trump took a far more conciliatory tone towards the televangelist of the also -- towards the taliban. he also, let's not forget, one of his election promises was to end the war in afghanistan and bring the majority of troops home. despite the words we heard at the pentagon and the comments we have heard in the past two days, and also, let's not forget, is national security advisor john bolton, who is now not in that role anymore, was very much agagainst those talks taking ple -- it is believed that many observers are saying that behind closed doors, the diplomatic efforts are going to continue, and all the work that had been building up to this planned secret meeting at camp david over the weekend may happen again in the future.

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the current leader of al qaeda, the reward for him is $25 million. so i dare to suggest that the white house is making more of a deal out of this killing of hamza bin laden, he was 15th of 20 children. the third to be killed. he may not have been been as important as all of this attention warrants. >> any idea what kind of role he may have had in the operation then? >> we're simply depending on what we're being told by the white house, that he was involved in al qaeda planning and coordination with other terrorist organizations, but in terms of how al qaeda currently operates, you it in parts of west africa, you it in parts of syria, and they're all working independently and separately if is no longer a global network of terrorist rs that s that we wer accustomed to 10 or 15 years ago. it is not really clear what role he played beyond what we're being told by largely unnamed american officials. >> thank you so much. still ahead, democrats debate over health care in this country. bernie sanders facing the real life consequences that some americans fac

he was described as an emerging al-qaeda leader. it was not aware where and when the operation took place. the white house did not explain this and some speculate it might have taken place in pakistan. confirmation by president trump of hamza bin laden's death and ambiguity and why say afghanistan-pakistan unless it's to save someone from embarrassment. it comes as the 18th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. and there were more attacks against the united states and the west. leland: a few years ago, i interviewed his brother and there was a hydra-like character to al-qaeda. kristin: many holding campaign events after that fiery third debate in houston. doug mcleway joins us. >> good afternoon. still resonating beto o'rourke's remarks that may go down in the still young election season by the most controversial by any candidate yet. >> hell yes, we're going to take your ar-15, your ak-47, not going to be used against fellow americans anymore. >> it provoked a lot of angry responses against gun rights groups. t-shirts with the caption b

the sun and it also you know i mean the taliban after all this effort fighting al qaeda islamic state the american puppet government why in the world would they want to get in bed with al qaeda again ok there is no there's a logical reason for the member that i mean he said that there is some basis for a state again it's done. by the us were by the u.s. so what they want the true the know exactly what they're doing and that their short term is couldn't agree more well it seems to me that this is about the 2nd part of our program this is about iran they want to have a position inside of quote unquote keep their eyes on a red it's always about iran and their region they're ok again with what the administration is talking about their talking points in the media's reaction to it is really irrelevant to what's going on go ahead and. get it sooner. you know the point about the central asian states they're less concerned. with the royle than the european states than america already when russia you know if you listen to the statements from the biggest and they are. you know they fear american

across the middle east johnson and al-qaeda let alone new labor blairites were even warned about it by the leader who defeated them in syria but a call for awfully good to talk about on the hot. welcome to how people come in my reply to feel for understand how different from those ideas. i want to. go with him i can with a following of from him boris johnson supported nato violence they doggedly aided al qaeda supporters in syria afghanistan and iraq but his support for the tory new labor blairites war in libya which created a safe haven for al qaeda in the mediterranean is more nuanced british foreign secretary boris johnson has say the removal of former libyan leader moammar gadhafi in 2011 has proved to be a humanitarian and security tragedy that was speaking on his return to the u.k. up to today because it's immediately he the men are able parties in the country to try and reach a compromise what does boris johnson know about david cameron's catastrophic destruction of africa's richest country that others don't as foreign secretary he would have been privy to top secret document

contact between isis and al qaeda operatives here and in the united states, the very reason u.s. forces invaded this country in the first place. the mission then and now to destroy osama bin laden's al qaeda network. 18 years on, that terrorist group is still here, along with the newest jihadi kid on the block. as for the taliban promise to tover again harbor america's enemies, national security adviser hamdullah mohib calls that a nonstarter. >> in their ranks today, there are all kinds of terrorist fighting from all around the world. they have chechens, uzbeks, arabs, pakistanis-- you name it. >> reporter: mohib warns those same terrorists responsible for such bloodshed here would extend their reach far beyond these battlefields in a heartbeat. charlie d'agata, cbs news, kabul. >> o'donnell: and there is still much more ahead on tonight's "cbs evening news." how google earth helped solved a decades-old mystery. a dangerous chemical has been found in one of the most popular heartburn medicines. and we remember rocker eddie money. ♪ take me home tonight i don't want to let you go

. >> on that day 19 islamic terrorists, members of al qaeda killed 3000 people, got that now? >> this man didn't like the rhetoric from a member of the squad so he stepped up yesterday and said something. >> the 9/11 family member who captured the family attention with his message to ilhan omar. "fox and friends first" continues right now. ♪ jillian: taking it back a little bit. rob: early 90s. jillian: the first something. cd. rob: you were watching face to face. jillian: taking it way far back. excuse me. neither of them. on that note good morning, you are watching "fox and friends first" on thursday morning. rob: thanks for getting up early with us. a major win for the trump administration. the supreme court reinstating asylum restrictions after a surprising about-face from the ninth circuit. jillian: griff jenkins joins us with reaction from democrats and dissenting opinions. >> reporter: the green light to enforce restrictions on asylum-seekers trying to enter the us the record country like mexico without seeking protection there. the president tweeting the united states

does that mean it is going to look like isis, like al qaeda? of course not. there may be a transnational and international dimension. what we learned in the aftermath of christchurch suggests that individual had international contacts. he had traveled internationally. he was engaged internationally. he found himself among like-minded travelers in this movement. to me, that argues for doing more to understand that nature. that means opening a conversation with partners that is broader than it has been in the past. i say this not with any sense of pride, but for all of the years where i have been across from other countries, senior counterterrorism officials, talking about terrorism, not once did it include a conversation about this dimension. what we would call domestic terrorism. that was because of the way our system is architected as opposed to what fell within other agencies. it is a feature of the landscape. the idea we would not try to maximize the kind of intelligence and information we could get by talking openly about our challenges and wanting to lea

spent 18 years in the wilderness for the sake of tt link to al qaeda. it would be an insult to the intelligence of anyone over the age ofour to believe that this time they are serio. laur given everything you have said, why do you think the u.s. administration got this far along tie track towards a peace deal with the afghan taliban? ryan: the president, of course, is the negotiar in chief even he is not at the table. he gives the instructions, and basically what he ha is atthat we are coming home, we ae pulling out, negotiate the best deal you can can i'm bringing forces home. laura: ambassador ryan crocker, thanks for being with us. ryan:. thanks for having t -- having me. laura: you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come on tonight's program, google is in the hot seat. multiple states are investigating whether the company makes money by squashing the competition. laura: britain's james o'brien lost his sight after an acid attack more than 20 yeaas ago. ing hendergone pione treatment to restore his vision. >> i can only see blob of light

they're divided across the degree to which which the taliban break ties with al-qaeda.se are ties that go all the way back to 9/11 period. we're divided across the issue of how fast should u.s. troops withdraw. we're divided on the role of the taliban in a political power-sharing arrangement with the afghan government, and we're also divided on the timing of the ceasefire. so -- [inaudible conversations] gerry: could we tolerate a taliban government? i mean, is it really imaginable that these people who, again, were the ones who harbored al-qaeda and who are still extremists by any measure, could we really tolerate a taliban-led government? do you think that would be stable, and do you think we'd be safe with that? >> ultimately, that's an issue for the afghans to decide, and that's why among the issues i listed there's this intra-afghan conversation that needs to take place, to figure out the role of the taliban in the afghan government, the afghan political set. i think what's undeniable at the 18-year mark though is that the afghan taliban are a part of the afghan bo

and and now see very clearly that al qaeda that al qaeda or any other terrorist organization is unwelcome in afghanistan. and they've made similar declarations on human rights is follow through with those things and making credible commitments keeping them then maybe you have a situation in which the peace process has advanced as a state in which you would have some sort of meeting on on us but it's really premature and quite frankly you know the reaction from both sides of the political spectrum in the united states has been radioactive what did you think when trump declared those talks to be dead are they really dead. well the door is closed but it's not locked at the end of the day you've got a situation in which you've got a strategic stalemate as long as the afghan government maintains international support the taliban are not going to be able to overthrow the government converse lee as long as the taleban maintains external sanctuary and sufficient internal support indigenous support in afghanistan it's not going to be decisively defeat and so we are in that situation on you know 2

the stated leader of al qaeda is old and some believe to be ill. so it wasn't clear how much longer his leadership was going to go on. so there was a significance in the name brand bin laden and what that might do to the morale of al qaeda and their recruiting capabilities going into the future. they have been at odds with groups like isis. many thought that hamza bin laden could be that anchor, that lightning rod to get the organization to be more viable and virulent in the future. >> the fact this announcement comes the week of the september 11th anniversary, on the heels of john bolton resigning or being fired, on the heels of the controversy over that taliban meeting that was canceled that was supposed to happen at camp david. do you read anything into the timing of this? >> no, i mean, it's possible. who knows with this administration, ana. but i think the way i've seen this happen in the past is largely these kinds of announcements -- and president trump's announcement was lacking any hyperbole or shrill tone, the way he typically does announ

instead of at domestic terrorism because it would also apply to a terrorist isis or al half of qaeda. the whole point would be it's in the u.s. to intimidate or coerce. what would would do is also form a predicate for law enforcement to aggressively use tools they have used to combat international terrorism, we can talk about this, that's like online, undercover personas, sting operation, things that some eople criticize as being too aggressive and i understand that but those are things that are imed at prevention so it gives law enforcement more of a predicate. they can do some of that now. don't want to suggest that when they know this is the statute, it gives route as opposed to using other tools. for the also allow criminalization of the stockpiling of weapons, knowing and intending that those are to used in committing a crime of terrorism within the u.s. jurisdiction. and, you know, that's probably more complicated than we want to here.nto what it would involve amending to do that but essentially you coast guard e u.s. lieutenant was recently arrested arsenal of ing an assault ri

we have asked them, demanded that they break with al qaeda since the bush administration.o. they murdered 3,000 innocent people, citizens of 91 forget t. the taliban hid thoon them, refk with them, and have refused to this day to break. so i think secretary pompeo saying go back to first principles is exactly the right thing to do. >> brennan: butñr every single democrat running for president is promising to bring the troops home. president trump campaigned on bringing the troops home.Ñi >> yeah. >> brennan: you're saying, just pulling out is the wrong decision. >> margaret -- >> brennan: can you remind people why there needs to be a continued presence there? >> right. the fact is we need to maintaini an influence there until the government of afghanistan, the people of afghanistan are strong enough to deny afghanistan is a safe haven. >> brennan: the talibanry >>, do, and wars go like that sometimes. but the point is that you may want a war over. you may even vote, a fact brought home to me repeatedly over my 40 years of service. c fight this war again, and i know yeuÑ do

they've not renounced al-qaeda, or violence.ek before one of our soldiers was killed in the attack in kabul just a few days ago, but a week before that, there was a major taliban offensive. they've not given up any desire to commit acts of terrorism. not to mention, fred, people forget and peter knows this better than anybody. the taliban isn't a monolithic organization. they don't all speak for one another. they have splintered groups. it's difficult for any negotiator to look you in the eye and say for sure they can prevent x, y and z from happening. just not the way they operate. >> quickly peter, taliban, counterterrorism. >> we'll see. >> all right we'll leave it there. thanks. appreciate it. >>> straight ahead, pressure mounting on the president to make a decision on guns in this country. top republicans say they can't act if trump doesn't have a plan. will anything get done? we'll speak to an activist leading the effort for gun control, next. but first, while most students have been heading back to school, there's a sudde