. >> two of those deputies, melvin walker and david ramsey, were also arrested.e to crack the case for nearly a year, prosecutors agreed not to charge the other two admitted co-conspirators, patrick cuffy and paul skyers, with any crime related to brown's murder in return for their agreement to tell the whole story. >> we needed their testimony. as much as i hated it. but this was the type of crime that had no one come forward we would have never solved it. >> d.a., j. tom morgan first asked brown's widow, phyllis, if she could live with cuffy going free. >> she said as long as he wasn't triggerman and as long as he wasn't the master schemer then she was willing for us to go ahead and make deals with him and skyers so that we could convict the others. >> the indictment charged melvin walker and david ramsey with murder. walker for shooting brown and ramsey, who also worked at ex-sheriff dorsey's private security firm, for being the armed lookout ready to kill anyone who intervened. >> walker was the triggerman. and skyers got rid of the gun. and cuffy drove the g

today tastes so good. >>> right now dave ramsey the host of "the dave ramsey show" and a man who knowslot about debt. you left us with an intriguing thought there, dave, that we could actually all survive without debt. is that realistic? don't lots of people need to have some form of debt just to function? >> well, i think that's the misnomer. and that's the kind of thinking that actually leads us into stuff like pay day lending where the bottom run of the socioeconomic ladder is getting ripped off by people charging them 7,800% because the premise is that the poor need debt to survive. business needs debt to survive. and yet there's a lot of businesses, even fortune 500 companies, that operate completely debt free. they're very quiet about it. they don't make a lot of noise about it. but they don't have any debt at all. now, if i could wave a wand at one instant everyone quit borrowing money that, would crash the economy. that wouldn't be intelligent. but we all know that's not going to happen. but i think we all know that if the average consumer had a whole lot less debt or even, dar

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you have to remember that first and foremost, john and patsy ramsey lost a child. an incompetent investigation in boulder, colorado, and then for many years, they were vilified by the media with false accusations, which we now know, since their exoneration, were, in fact, false. i often wondered, piers, how they could handle it with such dignity and grace and perseverance and courage, and i can tell you how they did it. they did it because they had a strong system of loving family members and loyal friends. they had a deep religious faith and conviction. and they had the reality that they had the responsibility to still raise their son, burke, who was 9 years old when he lost his life's best friend, his sister. and that combination, i believe, allowed them to survive it. whether this young lady will have that type of support system and be able to overcome what she's gone through in terms of the media and the actual trial, only time will tell. >> let me bring in mike sitric here. you've wrecked everyone from rush limbaugh to paris hilton, high-profile individuals wh

we followed him from ramsey all the way to sellby.tly when he got there, it was thursday. and she said well, you know, sir, you're a smart detective and i'm just a simple lady who gives people baths in a nursing home. if that's what you say, it must be true. >> but the defense was about to tell the jury something really surprising. sister brenda hadn't been the only one who got it all wrong about when ed ates made it to louisiana. the defendant himself now said he had misspoken in those damning wiretaps about arriving on tuesday. >> you were there when i got there on tuesday. >> yes. >> in fact, the lawyer said, ed ates had arrived in louisiana not on tuesday, the day before the murder, and not on thursday, the day after the murder after the police claimed. ates was now saying he had gotten to louisiana on wednesday at around the very hour paul duncsak was being killed in new jersey. to verify the amended day, a man who lived in the same neighborhood as ates' mother and sister took the stand. his name was matlock, and he remembered se

ramsey? or could you elaborate on this situation? >> sure, i will try to briefly do so although it's a bit of a complicated issue. >> which is why i asked the question. >> we previously actually, the commission proposed at one point and put out for, the idea of removing this special exemption, if you will, for rating agencies from higher liability standard, so i think they recognize that there are arguments that could be made for or against. the commission never came to a consensus on that. the congress essentially made the decision for us. as you noted, because the abs market come because our rules require that the rating be included in the prospectus, the result will be removing of exemption meant that rating agency would have to consent to have the rating information included in the prospectus. they refused to consent. as a result of was the potential that the registered abs market would be shut down or they wouldn't be any deals being done. we thought that was a bad result for the markets, and for investors. and so we issued a no

dave ramsey is a fan of this sales tax. joining me right now.d this for a long time dave. it is like9,[;í waiting and wai. >> there's got to be a political climate for something this radical to be able to go through. of course my friend another talk show host has been a big proponent of the national sales tax idea. another buddy of mine has picked up that banner and has run to washington with it, which is good. the thing i'm a fan of is everyone having skin in the game. fan of fair tax, flatf[ tax. this idea that 42% of americans don't pay anything into the problems that president obama and the congress are grappling with now that is morally wrong. >> neil: 51% are eligible taxpaying families pay no income tax at all. having said that, my only fear is rather than a swap out they are an add on. >> that can be the problem that's happened in a lot of states. at the state level. they say we are going to do away with the sales tax and bring in an income tax. they tried to do that in tennessee where i lived and we pretty much stomped them into power

let's ask personal finance guy dave ramsey, the best in the business. what we can do.concern for people that don't want to too it. for others that do want to do it, they say work is great. can i give you some e-mails, dave, to get you started. >> absolutely. >> let's go from peter who is in california. he says i'm 70. my wife is 56. we received a combined $9,500 in pensions. we have no debt except a mortgage of $82,000. we have $540,000 in investments. should we use one of the ira's to pay off the mortgage? >> don't you love this guy? this is a guy who has saved money, put himself in a position to where his golden years are golden. he has a half million bucks in the bank and $120,000 a year coming in. he's set. yes, pay off your little $85,000 mortgage and you're completely free. you're set for life. you did a great job of taking care of yourself! that was great! >> don't you want to know his rate first? >> his -- no, i don't. he's only got an $85,000 mortgage and he's 70 years old and has $540,000 in his mutual fund. pay it off. >> you weren't ready for the follow-up

mean look we see these cases all the time and we're going to we're going to see more of jon benet ramsey i mean the list goes on this is what this is what made cable news. frankly was was these type of cases that really have no bearing on anyone's life i mean frankly o.j. simpson a famous reprised football player but it is his case has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's lives other than as a you know who shot jr on dallas did one last time you saw someone from the not a trusted name in news topless covered in mud being tweeting out picture of himself well maybe i'm not watching them enough. but you know we have this kind of thing i mean you know fox news has has always had that type of you know celebrity girl or wolf blitzer made his name is sean penn but probably i've been wearing a tough guy you know that you know there's there's always been a lot of this yes i think there's more in t.v. news in cable news to make celebrities out of people but this isn't the most nefarious aspect of it that's more of a reflection sadly on what our star society m.p.'s and frankly what's cheaper and

you had so many visuals there never was a trial with jonbenet ramsey but she was part of the culture. >> the jury of course they should make money for having served and knowing what's going on. oh oo no, no. are you kidding? then i am going to try to get on a jury because i think i can make money off of this. >> you are the trial maven you are the district attorney you did what you have to do. you know everybody your honor that takes a commitment to serve the jury. >> they have a responsibility. they have to question the motive your verdict. >> you have ahold out. that's the problem joseph. if there's one person who says you know what this is every where i am the loan hold out. i am the one. >> i believe there could be a law that prohibits jurors. >> there you go. let's talk about money. let's assume she makes a million dollars she owed 70,000 on taxes already she has a defamation suit tim miller from equi search was on the show last night he's suing her. i think he's suing her. what's left? >> i was anal guysing this. you know the case in new york the subway vigil anti in 1992 when h

. >> look in the jonbenet ramsey, look at that creep that confessed. look at that low life.ll of them. they want their 15 minutes of fame, anderson. they want to get on "anderson cooper 360" and say, i killed that person. they were a low life scum bag here. now all of a sudden somebody's paying attention to them. people confess to murders they didn't do all the time. only for the notoriety. >> zodiac killer's probably the most famous cold case in the u.s. why do you think there's so much fascination with it? >> because he terrorized and held san francisco captive for so long. they locked down that city. when he said, if you keep looking for me i have a sniper's rifle. i will kill kids getting off of the buses. he claimed to have killed multiple victims. they believe he killed seven people. it actually paralyzed a city, a united states city. one low life coward paralyzed that city. people are fascinated. he always sent this cryptic code around. and everybody analyzed it. when i first profiled the zodiac killer, i got a letter sent exactly like his code to me in the same type

personal finance expert dave ramsey joins us right now. dave, debt is a major problem.s about that, correct? >> certainly do. it's top of mind right now with all this discussion in washington and, you know, we probably ought to talk about that for just a second because there's some basic math there that i think the soundbites are missing and the talking points are missing. we take in $2.6 trillion at the federal government. we spend $3.8 trillion. that leaves us in the hole $1.2 trillion. so this is like a young doctor calling me that makes $260,000 a year who is spending $280,000 a year and he wants to cut his spending by $40,000 when he's overspending by $120,000. if he called my show, i'd smack him into next week. i mean, seriously. you can't pay for your aunt's nursing home anymore. you're broke. you can't pay for everything for your kids anymore. you're broke. you can't go on vacation, buy cars that you can't afford anymore. you're broke. yes, dave. but i'm a doctor. no, darling, you're a broke doctor. and so now you're going to have to adjust your lifestyle to wit

an hour north of san francisco, the town where john mark karr, the former suspect in the jonbenet ramsey murder was charged with five counts of possession of child pornography, and the hometown of polly klaas, a 12-year-old abducted and murdered by a sex predator. >> this is a beautiful community with wonderful people in it. the polly klaas tragedy is capable of happening in anywhere, usa. >> sergeant matthew stapleton of the petaluma police department says law enforcement here is acutely aware of the dangers posed by sex predators. that's one of the reasons the it wanted to set up a sting. >> we wanted to make sure that people around us got the message crystal clear that we have resources dedicated to this. and we will continue to dedicate resources to this as much as we can. >> and that's why the petaluma police reached out to perverted justice. sergeant stapleton and his men worked out a plan with the online watchdog group. the police will be staked out in the house next door and perverted justice will turn over chat logs and phone records of the suspects expected to show up. wauns ma

dave ramsey, to you next. are you going around telling people already now i told you debt was bad? >> well, i think they are exactly on track, as always, when i'm with them. you know, yeah, obviously debt increases risk, whether it's a nation or an individual, and so there's a bit of an "i told you so" i guess but i'm not telling you anything your grandmother didn't tell you. if you don't have a car loan and you are going to save up and pay cash for your car, suddenly you're not as concerned about that. if you're not buying a home in this current market, you're kind of missing out because real estate's on sale and interest rates are the best since 1959. oh, my gosh, the real estate market did fine with 7% and 9% interest rates. i wouldn't want it to snap back there instantly while we're trying to recover but over a period of time, we're at unusually low rates. so we're going to be fine in the long term. i think that ali and i have talked about this many times on the air that when these kinds of things happen, jumping in and out of your 401(k) on a panic basis is a good way to lose

i'm not gordon ramsey, i'm eva longoria and i would like for people to go, hey, i can do that too, orhether it's the social justice i do to bring hope to groups of people who are discriminated against or groups of people who are -- >> are you tough enough to be a mogul, you think? >> yeah, absolutely. >> you've got kind of a steely look to you. >> you know what's so funny. women get a bad rap for being tough. women are always called the bitch, or women are always called, oh, she's so cutthroat, when they're just trying to hold their own. women are very disciplined and very aggressive -- >> are you not to be messed with? >> i am not to be messed with. >> you're very direct. you hold eye contact, very like -- which is very impressive. a lot of people don't. >> really, interesting. i actually hate that. i hate a soft handshake. >> nothing worse! >> nothing worse than a soft handshake. >> could you ever go out with a man with a short handshake? >> no, never. >> i have three sons, i said, the only thing you have to worry about in life, a firm handshake will take you through any door. there

it's a mystery like with jonbenet ramsey. what did happened to caylee anthony? >> taking a whack at the media. >> this is a lesson to those of you that have indulged in media assassination for three years, bias and prejudice, and incompetent talking heads saying what would be and how to be. i'm disgusted by some of the lawyers that have done this, and i can tell you that my colleagues from coast to coast and border to border have condemned this whole process of lawyers getting on television and talking about cases that they don't know a damn thing about and don't have the experience to back up their words or the law to do it. now you learned a lesson. >> savannah, righteous of him, i can only imagine what he would have said if think convicted. the stories they were throwing in front of that jury about the grandfather, seems like you're an expert of defense attorneys. they'll basically do what it takes to get their client off including developing rather absurd even narratives? >> well -- >> go ahead, susan. >> to that i would say, pot, kettle, black. yeah, the pr

and later this week, chef gordon ramsey, author and inventor ray kurzweil, cedric the entertainer, andon, who are just as dreamy as ever, i'm told. like most kids her age, you're likely to find our first guest tonight at the mall this summer, but not hanging around the food court, in the movies. number one film in the country, it's called "super 8." please say hello to elle fanning. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: well, first of all. congratulations on the big success of the movie. and you were really great in it. you did a great job in the movie. >> glad you liked it. >> jimmy: did you go t tsee it this weekend? >> i did. i actually -- we had a screening for my family and my friends. >> jimmy: nice. >> so, on thursday, the day before it came out. >> jimmy: at a real movie theater. >> yeah, at the arclight. they all got to see it. after they saw it, they knew the secret. they kept asking me what the movie was about, for a really long time, no one knew the title of the movie for a long time. >> jimmy: j.j. abrams was very secreti secretive. you had to be secretive when you knew. when

simpson case, the tanya harding case, the ramsey murder case, they took over the news business, and frankly, i don't blame people for not trusting us. we start running this stuff like evening soap operas instead of saying, there are more serious matter outs there. the tabloids led the way on that, for sure. >> that's true, but listen. it's understandable. it's normal for people to be interested in these major crime stories. i mean, look at the casey anthony story. it riveted the nation. but it rivets -- these cases rivet the nation for a deferent reason. people want to find out the truth. they actually are looking for that. and also, i mean, in the case of casey anthony, women, i think, were mesmerized by this, because they identified as mothers. and they wondered how can i, you know, how could any loving mother do this to a child. and we look at celebrities different here. we relate to celebrities as if they are our friends and to public figures. and we actually kind of measure ourselves against them. >> in fairness, phil, bonnie has a point there, we cothdo that, i'm not so certain that w

i'm not gordon ramsey, i'm eva longoria and i would like for people to go, hey, i can do that too, orhether it's the social justice i do to bring hope to groups of people who are discriminated against or groups of people who are -- >> are you tough enough to be a mogul, you think? >> yeah, absolutely. >> you've got kind of a steely look to you. >> you know what's so funny. women get a bad rap for being tough. women are always called the bitch, or women are always called, oh, she's so cutthroat, when they're just trying to hold their own. women are very disciplined and very aggressive -- >> are you not to be messed with? >> i am not to be messed with. >> you're very direct. you hold eye contact, very like -- which is very impressive. a lot of people don't. >> really, interesting. i actually hate that. i hate a soft handshake. >> nothing worse! >> nothing worse than a soft handshake. >> could you ever go out with a man with a short handshake? >> no, never. >> i have three sons, i said, the only thing you have to worry about in life, a firm handshake will take you through any door. there

jonbenet ramsey's father john has remarried. that his wife patsy died about five years ago from ovarian cancer. >> cancer, right. >> that's right. he has remarried a woman 14 years his junior. now, in a little bit of interesting side news, john also admitted to having a short-lived romance with natalee holloway's mother beth twitty. isn't that interesting. >> really. >> i guess there must be something about people who have experienced a lot of loss coming together. >> because he lost another child when she was 22, then jonbenet, then his wife five years ago. maybe that kind of grief brings folks who have something really extreme in common. >> things are looking up for him now, i guess. >>> a depressing story out of danville, west virginia. this story was in "the new york daily news." listen to this. the first line of the story says it all. a high school has been shut down after officials discovered the principal and another teacher had allegedly turned it into their own meth den. they said there was methamphetamines throughout t

dave ramsey will be here. >> brian: the other two guys don't sing. >> steve: yeah. but maybe they will. also we'll talk about the penguin and that bird, what is it? find out in the after the show show. see you tomorrow. bill: good morning on a tuesday. we'll start with a fox news alert. there is a significant development minutes away in the phone-hacking investigation in england. the parliamentary committee is set to question top executives including rupert murdoch. jamie: "news of the world" is under the microscope today accused of hacking into private cell phone accounts and bribing police for information. bill: the police out of scotland yard have been in the crosshairs. amy kellogg is live in london beginning our coverage there. >> reporter: when the murdochs testify they are obliged to answer questions quote by their honor. a lot of people are saying because this meeting before a parliamentary committee and judge-led and police-led inquiries, the panel must prove this is not just a piece of political theater. there has been immense media interest. cameras were

as dave ramsey said, we were determined to live our wage. the borrower is the slave to the lender. 22 applies to families and proverbs 22 applies to nations. if we were living within our means as a nation almost all the debate in the last six months in this chamber would have been different. we tried every method in the fed's bag of tricks to protect the interest rate because if the rate goes up at all the house of cards fall. we work to manipulate banks, manufacturing, because we must keep revenue up. we manage every relationship worldwide because we need the borrowing liquidity. we borrow from future generation because we're afraid that this generation has to make the hard choices. our economy struggles which leaves washington to overmanage every sector which causes more economic uncertainty. our focus has shifted from families to corporate bailouts because we're living beyond our means. and we're trying everything we can to make it work. it's not sustainable. we have to get back in balance. capital investment and investment in industry is