i'm happy to have the debate and a besides asking for a reappropriation within the department we could look at the staffing. and they're there to make sure we don't look at those things we need to look at those things >> i have no disagreement. i think we have the budget analysis report they have a difference of $460,000 range. they don't believe our expenditures will net at that time, so we would agreeable vigorously that our figures truly reflect the numbers we used the numbers from last year and we took april, may and june weigh-in we're on the target. we have been correct when we feels we're not spend the enemy we are we're spending it. i can give you previous years data. for example, mr. roses offices when we had seen a reduction in budget we needed that money and if i think the million or so dollars we were asking for more we would have come back to you. we're fully prepared to come back with you if you go with mr. roses recommendation. i'm a taxpayer in this city i'm telling you this is real numbers. i know we're headed in the right direction. i have the ultimate respect also fo

department projections as supervisors it is absolutely correct this is simply a transfer of fund a reappropriation from surplus permanent salaries and benefits to overtime. so there's no additional funds from the department being requested. in fact, if those fund were not needed for overtime a portion of which she is sigg is telling you or not that would be would go back to the fund to fund any other project in accordance with the priorities of board of supervisors. supervisorss i also want to state that i will stake my reputation as of june 30th the forth coming the fire department will have more than 5 how does of structure plus funds. of 18 hundred and 18 employees i will stake my reputation the controller can verify if i am correct or not. the point is if you leave the money now here it will be extended ono.. if you reduce the request and then the department subsequently comes back to the board of supervisors and a shows a demonstrated need that we're wrong and they need the additional money we would absolutely say they're correct. but i'm stating that i do state my reputation there are be mor

in addition to those revenues, we are deappropriating and reappropriating expenditure savings in the general fund to help cover the transfers to the hospitals. and so that bottom line and the number that you see in the legislation in front of you is $46.1 million, including the deappropriation and reappropriation from general fund. i do want to highlight a couple of issues that are out there, potential revenues that are out there, that could come in positively towards the end of the year. we have a couple of major medi-cal prior year settlements that are outstanding. those are audits that reconcile our payments to what we should have been paid. we believe that we have some potential good news to come from those audits, based on our preliminary data from the state. but the timing of those payments is uncertain and we've actually been waiting for several years for those to come through. they tell us that soon it's conceivable that those could come in before the end of the fiscal year. if so, that would reduce the amount of general fund that we need to draw, we could return those dollar

they will reappropriate and move around money categories from other things in the federal aviation administration was available all along. all you have to do, and i did it myself when i was inspector general. all you do go back to the committee in congress to say we need to reallocate some of the monies you have appropriated to my department but we need to reallocate different functions. if congress aproves you can always do it. you can't do it without their approval. now looks like they're going to have to be taking monies from the trust fund or for grants to airports for infrastructure because those are the only big pots of money at the faa. melissa: yeah. so instead of building longer runways or instead of making whatever repairs they might have made they will use the money to pay air traffic controllers. what was the other solution? what else could they have done? obviously seems like the lines were real to travelers. >> right. melissa: if they're really moving fewer flights like you said, how does all that math work out? what they should have done deploy human resources where they need them.

the difference between a tax expenditure and appropriation is you have to reappropriate money every year the expenditure, it stays there forever until you repeal it. >> look what's happened in the last ten years, '01, '03, 2010. you had to live through this in washington about reupping, you know, expiring tax relief. is that an ideal situation? i don't quite understand. >> this is going to be -- you know, we talked in the first few seconds of the show all about sort of the social spending side. now we're talking about the tax side. tax reform is the thing that president obama says he is looking for in exchange for all these cuts he's seeking in the safety net. let's talk act the tax reform as he would call it he's seeking and what it is republicans might accept and whether there's any point in doing tax reform at all, after this. oh, it's cheryl burke! who's this guy? security. cheryl, hi! i know you don't need one but would you try on the depend silhouette for charity? right now? under this? why not? for charity? now's the perfect time, cause with soft fabric and waistband, the best pro

so it is not a cut but they can reappropriate those if congress has permission and i have to yield back>> i don't know about that. >> thank you for the great job that you do with an amazing portfolio, which includes food, devices, drugs, tobacco. i want to make a note about user fees quickly so i can get to the my question. the budget without user fees is $2.5 billion for 2014. contract for nasa is $200 billion in 2014. nasa got $17 billion. it is at 7.3 times larger than the f.d.a. again, review the portfolio of this agency and what it does. we're not talking about hardware, we're not talking about -- we're talk about life and death at the food and drug administration. if we are serious, let us provide the f.d.a. with the budget authority that it needs, with the job that it does and let's start, in fact, putting our mouth and our dollars where our mouths are. i would rather have budget authority than user fees any day of the week and i'm willing to vote this to give this agency the money it needs to get there. i'm glad to hear the f.d.a. has moved forward on reclassifying tanning beds