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sorry i've scrolled past it the reform party it says that the reform party would nightmare for britishtmare for british politics, says, because politics, she says, because you want proportional want to bring in proportional representation. and she said want to bring in proportional reprethat ation. and she said want to bring in proportional reprethat atiorcreate she said want to bring in proportional reprethat atiorcreate carnage in that that will create carnage in this because you won't this country because you won't have majority governments. well because has because first past the post has produced great government produced such great government for last 25 years. for the last 25 years. >> look look at the look >> look at the look at the look at the. well, i can't use the language comes my language that comes into my speechless you've him speechless. you've made him speechless. you've made him speechless. first past speechless. i mean, first past the been disaster. the post has been a disaster. the seat majority, boris the 80 seat majority, boris johnson had what's he done johnson h

we've been asking as their support doubles in a year is richard reform uk party the richard tice reform nail in the tory coffin? well the results are in an 82.3% say yes, whilst 17.7% say no, which is damning. and more bad news for rishi sunak now reacting to the big stories of the day. tonight's top pundits, lord taylor of warwick, political commentator joanne nadler broadcaster, nadler and broadcaster, journalist author michael journalist and author michael crick. it's that time of crick. now it's that time of year where everyone's coughing and and the nhs has an and sneezing and the nhs has an influx of patients. yet labour's wes streeting has said the nhs uses every winter crisis as an excuse to ask for more money. he said the health service need us to accept that money is tight and to rethink how it provides care to patients. so lord taylor , do you think that wes streeting has a point and politically, why has he said this? >> probably ambition . i think he >> probably ambition. i think he wants to be leader of the labour party, but i actually agree with him because the nhs has had

we've been asking as their support doubles in a year is richard reform uk party the richard tice reformail in the tory coffin? well the results are in an 82.3% say yes, whilst 17.7% say no, which is damning. and more bad news for rishi sunak now reacting to the big stories of the day. tonight's top pundits, lord taylor of warwick, political commentator joanne nadler broadcaster, nadler and broadcaster, journalist author michael journalist and author michael crick. it's that time of crick. now it's that time of year where everyone's coughing and and the nhs has an and sneezing and the nhs has an influx of patients. yet labour's wes streeting has said the nhs uses every winter crisis as an excuse to ask for more money. he said the health service need us to accept that money is tight and to rethink how it provides care to patients. so lord taylor , do you think that wes streeting has a point and politically, why has he said this? >> probably ambition . i think he >> probably ambition. i think he wants to be leader of the labour party, but i actually agree with him because the nhs has had m

let meiabib mp yet, i would love to have a drithe reform party. let me tell! of the reform party.b, telling you, this guy habib, i'm telling you, this guy is cheap date. anyway i'm not is a cheap date. anyway i'm not going to put him down any more. you two have got my sort of you two guys have got my sort of man , actually. man, actually. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you're doing, dewbs & co >> you're doing, um. dewbs& co 617 . what? 617. what? >> you spineless jubes. right. we've a cracking show coming we've got a cracking show coming up, involve pints of up, and it does involve pints of champagne. enough, champagne. funnily enough, there's in my with there's a theme in my life with pints and champagne going on here. we're about here. now we're talking about new resolutions. are new year's resolutions. and are they doing? and this dry they worth doing? and this dry january vegan thing. anyone doing it? we've also got some serious stuff coming up. um, parents being a bit rubbish. yeah feckless parents crap. >> i've been saying that all, all day. i'm not allowed to use the word once. >> um

i the reform party is i think that the reform party is looking quite strong .enrick's resignation is quite an important moment because he was kind of telling tories, look, the government could do more about the boats, but it's choosing not to because it's more committed to international law than it is to deaung international law than it is to dealing issue. dealing with the boats issue. i think is , you know, such think that is, you know, such a gift to reform party. and gift to the reform party. and of course , the other thing is that course, the other thing is that the snp is in a state of collapse, that to favours a strong labour majority. >> so do you think kind of electoral wipe—out , what do you electoral wipe—out, what do you think worse than 97 or. >> um, i mean that is such a guess, isn't it. i mean, if, if reform is performed well, you know, we're going to see tories losing seats where we might not have predicted it. so what was 97? it was about 160 for the conservatives. i think that's perfectly plausible. >> and john, first of all, your prediction f

you know, do you think that gives more muscle to nigel and more muscle to the reform party? does, but i mean, i have to pay tribute to the conservative party for our work for us. >> i mean, all the all the conservative party have to do to get a landslide is set zero. get rid of net migration and then solve the problem of immigration, which is easy. they make out. and if they did that, they'd get a landslide. while they'd get a landslide. while they don't do that, then they are find that there's are going to find that there's a party line which is going to come up on their heels pretty fast because that's what most of the people want. >> quickly before we >> and just quickly before we 90, >> and just quickly before we go, think not go, why do you think they're not doing because it's doing that? because it's baffling me. >> yeah. yeah country you go to any any pub, any football terrace any factor in is baffling them as well as many things baffle about the labour party. it's because what we have is we have a group of people in mainstream media, in our institutions and in governm

yeah he needs in the reform party needs farage in the reform party at moment, not in the tories. >> yeahreform party could force to be could be a real force to be reckoned with. >> think it could. >> yes, i think it could. >> yes, i think it could. >> yeah. and i think somebody had once said at hq, you know, if to 10, we are if reform get to 10, we are a word beginning with f and now they're polling around i think word beginning with f and now thor re polling around i think word beginning with f and now thor that>lling around i think word beginning with f and now thor that seems round i think word beginning with f and now thor that seems t0|nd i think word beginning with f and now thor that seems to be i think word beginning with f and now thor that seems to be theink 11 or that seems to be the westminster intention that people are moving to reform in their let's change their droves. yes. let's change gears and about the royals gears and talk about the royals at now we've had at christmas. now we've had a photograph of the cambridges as they once were known. now the prince princess of wa

themselves should decide to increase participation, mustafa kavakbian, secretary general the democratic reform partyl the reformists are approved , it will affect participation by at least 30%, but this is not the only condition for increasing participation, and the economic situation is also effective based on the election calendar from the deadline for examining the qualifications in the provincial supervisory boards. there is about a month left for the election calendar of the assembly of experts. the leadership has reached the stage of the oral exam. the oral exam of the candidates who were accepted in the written exam is also being held. ebrahim asadi bidmashki of sed and cima news agency. the meteorological organization has predicted rain in some parts of the north of the country today it will rain. we will get more details from the meteorology expert. hello mr. zarabi , please tell me which provinces have rain forecast today and how long will this system last? yes, i would like to say hello and politely to the dear viewers of mr. mirzaei. the wave that entered our country is passing very quic

or back british— against the reform party or back british business.ry from the — sectors like the science industry from the lab technicians that they needed _ from the lab technicians that they needed to— from the lab technicians that they needed to drive what they need to do. needed to drive what they need to do how— needed to drive what they need to do how on— needed to drive what they need to do. how on earth does he think this is going _ do. how on earth does he think this is going to — do. how on earth does he think this is going to help anyone get a job when _ is going to help anyone get a job when those industries that employ them _ when those industries that employ them witt— when those industries that employ them will not be able to grow? it would them will not be able to grow? would have them will not be able to grow? it would have been better had she listened to the points made about protecting the scientific community in and around oxford. in ensuring that we still remain attractive to the global brightest and best. to ensure that we prote

party. you know of cou leader um of reform is it's his party. you know of cou leader um of reform uk.! of reform uk. and the leader um of reform uk. and they already they say they've already selected candidates for the selected 440 candidates for the general election, whenever that may be. and you've seen some of the of them, you know, the footage of them, you know, over the past few years at their rallies, their conferences, rallies, at their conferences, all kind of things. all those kind of things. the candidates aren't serious people. have been people. most of them have been nicked the nicked from ukip or from the right conservative party right of the conservative party and this fantastic and there was this fantastic interview by, uh, politics. interview done by, uh, politics. joe where two of their candidates couldn't actually tell them what the difference was between reform and the was between reform uk and the conservative party. so i think if their own candidates don't know what difference is , the know what the difference is, the party being it's party isn't worth being in. it'

now ben habib it does ring true, does it not, that the only party that can fundamentally reform the nhs? if the tories try doing it well, people will cry bloody selling it off. exactly all of that. >> well, i mean the nhs is very different to the singaporean health system . you know, our health system. you know, our system goes back to 1948. i think by memory, and it, it is free at the point of delivery. it provides all kinds of health care right across the board. and of course it was introduced when the population was dying at a much younger age, when the population was much smaller, when treatments were not as varied and as broad as they are now, and nowhere near as expensive. and we've we face the challenge as a country of a rapidly growing population and as we have done with many other parts of our infrastructure being the first to develop often leaves you with legacy infrastructure that you know is problematic is you move on in time . singapore has obviously time. singapore has obviously joined . the developed world at joined. the developed world at a later stage. it's got a much s

. the vote and allow labour to com reform party, it used to be the reform party, it used to be calledhe 2019 elections, it pulled out of elections, but it pulled out of a number seats after the a number of seats after the conservatives then that conservatives warned then that their going to their fears were it was going to split vote between the split the vote between the brexit the tories and brexit party and the tories and let labour in in the red wall and now that brexit is done and the plan to that the former's plan to stand that kind of deal that was done, if you like, and that you like, is gone. and that could a real issue. could be a real issue. >> where are we in terms of i mean, idea and it's mean, this idea and it's slightly worrying because it means people getting of means people are getting sort of very issue on it. but, very single issue on it. but, you know, this thirds of you know, this two thirds of whatever of a majority whatever it was of a majority of tory voters reducing tory voters say reducing migration an important migration an is more important than growing the

reform party , for example, which reform party, for example, which has a six point plan. will actually concentrate on turning back the boats, which we're allowed to do in international law, taking them back to french waters, back to where they came from . and if to where they came from. and if you do that often enough, they're going to get rather frustrated. so and the other thing that i have said for 30 years, and you've heard me say it before on this program, patrick, what we need to do is house all knew asylum seekers, all of them, whether they come in the lorries, whether they come on the boats, all new asylum seekers in secure reception centres until we've determined their claims. reception centres until we've determined their claims . and the determined their claims. and the benefit of that is they then can't disappear into the underground economy . underground economy. >> no, indeed. and just a little tease again, that exclusive report from mark white coming up very, very shortly. but and there's lots of speculation recently that gb news is very own. nigel farage c

reform party , for example, which reform party, for example, which has a six point plan. will actually concentrate on turning back the boats, which we're allowed to do in international law, taking them back to french waters, back to where they came from . and if to where they came from. and if you do that often enough, they're going to get rather frustrated. so and the other thing that i have said for 30 years, and you've heard me say it before on this program, patrick, what we need to do is house all knew asylum seekers, all of them, whether they come in the lorries, whether they come on the boats, all new asylum seekers in secure reception centres until we've determined their claims. reception centres until we've determined their claims . and the determined their claims. and the benefit of that is they then can't disappear into the underground economy . underground economy. >> no, indeed. and just a little tease again, that exclusive report from mark white coming up very, very shortly. but and there's lots of speculation recently that gb news is very own. nigel farage c

know, the reform party is looking to sponge up looking likely to sponge up quite of conservativete a lot of conservative votes. you think, nick? votes. what do you think, nick? is late them? is it too late for them? >> yeah, too little, too >> yeah, it's too little, too late. i mean, it's another five point plan. we've already had one those. hasn't even one of those. it hasn't even been it's been implemented yet and it's still over. i mean, if you talk about cutting net migration to 300,000, was 745,000. >> so that's still massive. >> so that's still massive. >> over 400 k. >> still be over 400 k. >> still be over 400 k. >> the thing is important. >> the visa thing is important. >> the visa thing is important. >> there was this visa scam where you could just get your fifth do some fifth cousin in and do some dodgy course is important. dodgy course that is important. >> minimum salary thing is >> the minimum salary thing is quite minor because it's going up from 26,200 to 38,700, but bear mind, 26,000in 2019 is bear in mind, 26,000in 2019 is 34,000. today with inflation basically.

know, the reform party is looking to sponge up looking likely to sponge up quite of conservativee a lot of conservative votes. you think, nick? votes. what do you think, nick? is late them? is it too late for them? >> yeah, too little, too >> yeah, it's too little, too late. i mean, it's another five point plan. we've already had one those. hasn't even one of those. it hasn't even been it's been implemented yet and it's still over. i mean, if you talk about cutting net migration to 300,000, was 745,000. >> so that's still massive. >> so that's still massive. >> over 400 k. >> still be over 400 k. >> still be over 400 k. >> the thing is important. >> the visa thing is important. >> the visa thing is important. >> there was this visa scam where you could just get your fifth do some fifth cousin in and do some dodgy course is important. dodgy course that is important. >> minimum salary thing is >> the minimum salary thing is quite minor because it's going up from 26,200 to 38,700, but bear mind, 26,000in 2019 is bear in mind, 26,000in 2019 is 34,000. today with inflation basically.

the policy of the reform party is the conservative is to destroy the conservative party in the elections, you know, the leader of a part leadership, part of the leadership, part of the leadership of the party which says we want to destroy the conservative and at the conservative party. and at the same say, i'd like to be same time say, i'd like to be joint leader of it. it it lacks a a clarity, a a sort of a clarity, a compelling message to say , but compelling message to say, but they probably conservative now would anything. would probably do anything. >> like they're >> it's almost like they're thinking, we think thinking, well, if we i think it's quite interesting. >> don't the >> i don't think the conservatives anything. conservatives would do anything. i think if i take a of i think if i take a couple of probably too long, the first thing you notice is that i think it's already 75. mps have said they're stand at they're not going to stand at they're not going to stand at the election because the next election because everyone says, you know, the conservative party, when they're loo

, discussing the reform. partylabour's plan? well, the conservatives don't have beyond the have a plan beyond this. the labour party presented labour party haven't presented a plan, but frankly neither have reform beyond saying we'd leave the echr and we'd stop the boats. nobody has produced the proper strategy, the proper . proper strategy, the proper. objectives and a reasonable , objectives and a reasonable, credible plan as to how where, when, and so on. and the when, why and so on. and the resourcing behind it. so what? there are a number of things. let give an example, let me just give you an example, darren. you imagine a police force that dealt with road traffic collisions, another police force patrolling the same area that dealt with drunken, disorderly and anti—social behaviour, another police force in the same area that dealt with criminal damage and assaults and so on. that's what we've got on our maritime borders. we've got one agency that deals with fishing . we have another agency fishing. we have an

challenge reform party will challenge conservative next conservative seats in the next election2019 conservative seats in the next electiwill step 2019 conservative seats in the next electiwill step down 2019 conservative seats in the next electiwill step down in 2019 conservative seats in the next electiwill step down in the 2019 style will step down in the places we want you to win. and that's going to be fascinating that was the part, thought. >> yeah, because they backed down 2019. was it was down in 2019. it was it was thought be a mistake later, thought to be a mistake later, at of their at least in terms of their reputation, a like the lib reputation, a bit like the lib dems coalition. not dems doing the coalition. not quite so they're quite as damaging. so they're saying do that, saying they wouldn't do that, which i don't which i totally believe. i don't believe part that farage believe the part that farage wouldn't join the tories, which is he believes is what he says he believes would happen he thinks would happen here, he thinks will with reform. not would happen her

challenge reform party will challenge conservative next conservative seats in the next election2019 conservative seats in the next electiwill step 2019 conservative seats in the next electiwill step down 2019 conservative seats in the next electiwill step down in 2019 conservative seats in the next electiwill step down in the 2019 style will step down in the places we want you to win. and that's going to be fascinating that was the part, thought. >> yeah, because they backed down 2019. was it was down in 2019. it was it was thought to be a mistake later, at their at least in terms of their reputation, a like the lib reputation, a bit like the lib dems coalition. not dems doing the coalition. not quite damaging. quite as damaging. so they're saying do that, saying they wouldn't do that, which believe. don't which i totally believe. i don't believe part that farage believe the part that farage wouldn't join the tories, which is he believes is what he says he believes would happen here, he thinks will reform. not will stay with reform. i'm not so if he had an offer so convinced if

reform to the right of the uk. the right of the tory party, up two points to nine points. hat support from reform to tories, the party will be to the tories, the party will be nudging labour. finally, after two a half being two year and a half of being so far and there's a real far behind, and there's a real worry about what can the party do, he challenged. he's got to do. sunak , to a way do. mr sunak, is to find a way to out from their their to punch out from their their dire poll ratings and try and take on labour. the party is hanging on to the idea that around 20% of undecideds who will, who will vote in the next election and they want to bring them tory party. but them back to the tory party. but so no sign of that. so far, there's no sign of that. and that's big worry. and that's a big worry. >> and i've seen >> martin and chris, i've seen a real difference in 2019 before the election get the general election on get brexit party, brexit done, the brexit party, as was then, everyone was as it was then, everyone was saying, going split saying, you're going to split the

, whether it's the reform party, because don't think party, because you don't think the conservative being conservative the conservative party is being conserv libe the conservative party is being conserv lib dems because you're it's the lib dems because you're bored of the two party system, the it will be the reality is it will either be sir keir starmer as the prime minister, or rishi who do minister, or rishi sunak, who do you be running this you want to be running this country? and think will country? and i think that will be very clear choice for the be a very clear choice for the british at next british public at the next general election. fascinating >> concerned about >> well, are you concerned about reform surge? some reform and their surge? some say that they'll just hand the keys to to number 10. i to starmer to number 10. well, i am that. am concerned about that. >> course, but i think, >> yes, of course, but i think, you know, that's, that's that's why will be i think why the election will be i think uh, that be very uh, something that will be very open for for, debate,

. >> and the reform party are probably going to take votes away from the conservative party.an, crude terms, >> i mean, in in crude terms, i certainly think they'll take votes whether take votes away whether they take enough another enough seats is another another question, because ultimately , in question, because ultimately, in crude terms, the election now it's all it's a numbers game. yeah. and so politics and well that's what first past the post is it. is isn't it. >> we: e a numbers game. >> it is just a numbers game. >> it is just a numbers game. >> exactly so think look >> exactly. so and i think look the people ask well the reason why people ask well why sucked up so much why is rwanda sucked up so much energy the last few months? energy over the last few months? and not and why is the government not talking about things that matter? are opposition talking about things that matter? talking are opposition talking about things that matter? talking about pposition talking about things that matter? talking about thingson mps not talking about things that the keir that ma

of course, the are going to the reform party are going to say, oh, well, if just say, oh, well, if weal but that's general election. but that's not going will a going to happen. it will cause a labour , and we don't know labour win, and we don't know how involved yet. >> nigel farage might be. >> nigel farage might be. >> yes, of course. and i'm sure if nigel farage does get back to the back to front line for politics the reform party, that's going to make them a lot stronger. ultimately live stronger. but ultimately we live in two country and first in a two party country and first past post makes it very past the post makes it very difficult for third parties to actually in power. what do actually get in power. what do you think turn around ? you think will turn them around? >> that's thing we >> because that's the thing we always silver always talk about the silver bullet, where you're this bullet, where you're having this 80 many 80 seat majority not so many years ago, and they all say a week time week in politics a long time within think within the next year. i think march or poss

now joining me now is the deputy leader of the reform party , i.e. the reform party mep party, i.e. theactually, peter is not here. see, i'm on the ball. i look to my side and peter is not here yet. he is joining us in a second. he's just finishing off his takeaway. ben let's come to you first. right. okay i was shocked by this. right. >> he's buying his turkey. >> he's buying his turkey. >> peter must be buying. he's buying turkey, turkeys buying his turkey, but turkeys are according to this. are stuffed according to this. it's a chinese takeaway we're all going for. yeah you make of this? >> well, i think that's very sad. if people are going for a chinese takeaway on christmas day, know , i've got some day, you know, i've got some sympathy with perhaps not wishing to go through the all the hard work of a massive christmas lunch. i've got huge sympathy . but the tradition sympathy. but the tradition should be preserved, shouldn't it? even if you cheat and it? and even if you cheat and you buy perhaps a turkey, that's cooked or you buy your pudding that's been already made for you or wh

party reform, the reform party richard tice this is, of course, a presenter of gb news. rage himself is the lifetime president . they are lifetime president. they are getting more and more support because of the tory party is seen to be centrist to centres. for many voters and supporters. now he knows by tacking towards the right, maybe inviting farage back to join his party whether farage will do it, we don't know. he's in the jungle. it might be career suicide, but at least it would show voters that the party is keen on this kind of wing agenda, not least of right wing agenda, not least stopping boats controlling stopping small boats controlling immigration and immigration and the like. and that's think he was saying that's why i think he was saying that. broadchurch line is that. so the broadchurch line is one before when one he's used before when i asked him the question in asked him the same question in october, interesting october, what's very interesting about andrew, about it? bev and andrew, is he's still the same he's still saying the same thing. he recognises t

support that carried geert wilders anti—immigration freedom party to electoral success in the netherlands. i mean, it's interesting that like reformars ago, nobody really knew there were one of these sort of fringe parties , you know, pulled fringe parties, you know, pulled a few percent or whatever . now a few percent or whatever. now they're in double digits. and because the tories are polling so low and a lot of those a lot of the reform numbers are coming from they they from the tories, but they they look going to look like they're going to overtake and is overtake the tories and it is largely the immigration largely on the immigration issue, isn't it? >> not just the boats. i think also legal immigration, the also the legal immigration, the dependence coming with dependence coming over with students thing students and that sort of thing as yeah. as well. yeah. >> not that >> and it's not that people in britain to britain are opposed to immigration, but it's got to be sensible. it's got to be controlled it's got be controlled and it's got to be sustainable. and it's none of those the moment. and those things at the moment. and

support that carried geert wilders anti—immigration freedom party to electoral success in the netherlands. i mean, it's interesting that like reformars ago, nobody really knew there were one of these sort of fringe parties , you know, pulled fringe parties, you know, pulled a few percent or whatever . now a few percent or whatever. now they're in double digits. and because the tories are polling so low and a lot of those a lot of the reform numbers are coming from they they from the tories, but they they look going to look like they're going to overtake and is overtake the tories and it is largely the immigration largely on the immigration issue, isn't it? >> not just the boats. i think also legal immigration, the also the legal immigration, the dependence coming with dependence coming over with students thing students and that sort of thing as yeah. as well. yeah. >> not that >> and it's not that people in britain to britain are opposed to immigration, but it's got to be sensible. it's got to be controlled it's got be controlled and it's got to be sustainable. and it's none of those the moment. and those things at the moment. and

reform party for me the reform party for me in the future. that's from york. he future. sure that he's going seems very sure that he's going to vote reform. is there anything conservatives could anything the conservatives could do that would make you vote conservative? know. but conservative? let us know. but it look very from it doesn't look very likely from bob it doesn't look very likely from bolshe's had a somewhat of a win >> she's had a somewhat of a win with small boats. i know he with the small boats. i know he said stop them, they said he'd stop them, but they have know the have halved. i know the weather's not halved. weather's been bad, not halved. third a third down, third third down, a third down, third down. for that. down. so half a point for that. inflation has come down. know inflation has come down. i know it's but it's come down globally, but again maybe just be generous. >> christmas. >> it's christmas. >> it's christmas. >> what i think it is >> you know what i think it is important to put things in a little bit of perspective. we have cnses have gone

i rather support the reform party's policy of aiming for net zero migration and the truth is, you know jogging we've been sort of sort of jogging along at, you know, 150, 250,000 new homes a year. and if it wasn't for historically , you it wasn't for historically, you know, enormous levels of immigration, there wouldn't be a housing shortage in this country. right so, so the idea that we're already a densely populated country , that that we populated country, that that we have to build almost unlimited numbers of houses , and also the numbers of houses, and also the idea that we're going to lower house prices to make them affordable, that's not going to happen. no government is going to deliberately lower house prices, but the home owners wouldn't vote for them. >> the 250,000 house, uh , target >> the 250,000 house, uh, target that the achievement last year was exceptional , and there has was exceptional, and there has been very few years since harold macmillan where that has happened. it's generally a lot lower than that. and what it has meant, it has contributed to the rise in house

theory that the there is a theory that the conservative party needs to be given good hiding so given a jolly good hiding so that will sufficiently reform think that's a sort of sod you all prospectus, isn't it? it's not very conservative. >> i've i don't know , parties. >> i've i don't know, parties. parties go through periods reform. >> there is difference between >> there is a difference between being and being being right wing and being conservative, though certainly small c conservative. now and i think that is the think that that is where the struggle, certainly within the soul the broader right and soul of the broader right and the conservative party is happening. and i think it may well be that nigel farage, who is someone who is right wing rather than small c conservative, may well want to give that lesson to the conservatives. you are going to be destroyed by being too small. c conservative and not being more modern, right? >> but that's the battle that's going on at the moment, isn't it? i mean, it should be going on in opposition, but for on in opposition, but it's for the and of the the heart and soul of the conservative pa

. >> your party, belinda, the reform you're a reform party party you're a member yes they're to memberey're going to take quite a lot of the votes, i think probably 10% read today, think probably 10% i read today, which translate to about which could translate to about 20 all that's 20 or 30 seats. but all that's going do is split the tory going to do is split the tory party even they're going party even more. they're going to they're going two to they're going to have two weak parties, can weak parties, the tories can have got stop relying on have got to stop relying on labour worse than them to labour being worse than them to keep power. >> they up to them to >> they it is up to them to persuade british people persuade the british people to vote for them. not reforms job. >> no, i didn't say it was, but reform is going to take people away the tory party. then away from the tory party. then you've got two small parties that can't do anything. so the tory better. tory party do better. >> how about that responsible? >> final word to benjamin. final word. >> the tory party doesn't stand

. >> your party, belinda, the reform you're a reform party party you're a member yes they're to memberey're going to take quite a lot of the votes, i think probably 10% read today, think probably 10% i read today, which translate to about which could translate to about 20 all that's 20 or 30 seats. but all that's going do is split the tory going to do is split the tory party even they're going party even more. they're going to they're going two to they're going to have two weak parties, can weak parties, the tories can have got stop relying on have got to stop relying on labour worse than them to labour being worse than them to keep power. >> they up to them to >> they it is up to them to persuade british people persuade the british people to vote for them. not reforms job. >> no, i didn't say it was, but reform is going to take people away the tory party. then away from the tory party. then you've got two small parties that can't do anything. so the tory better. tory party do better. >> how about that responsible? >> final word to benjamin. final word. >> the tory party doesn't stand

and we need a common sense party and that is what reform effectively is. ng do reform need to make a serious risk pose a serious risk to the two major parties ? parties? >> oh, well, i've done it by the election in may. >> no , i still reckon october >> no, i still reckon october because if you're going to lose, you go later rather than sooner. okay wise as always. and lovely to see you. >> the saintly ann widdecombe , >> the saintly ann widdecombe, as i call it, the saintly widders, right, right. >> still to come, fossil fuel furore. tensions have been high in dubai over the phrasing of the of fossil fuels that the future of fossil fuels that are much more after morning are much more after your morning news tatiana . news with tatiana. >> thank you very much. 1130. this is the latest some breaking news to bring you welsh first minister mark drakeford has announced he's stepping down and will resign in march next year. he said when i stood for election as leader of the welsh labouh election as leader of the welsh labour, i said i would stand down during the

parties. so how much of a risk is it that the public will vote for reform? fectively, effectively then let labour in through the back door in particularly some of those red wall seats? um, if there isn't that labour that affection for the labour party, how many people will end up for the liberal up voting for the liberal democrats, south up voting for the liberal de england, south up voting for the liberal de england, or south up voting for the liberal de england, or particularly south up voting for the liberal de england, or particularly in uth of england, or particularly in the opposed to the south west, as opposed to labour? might sort labour? how many might sort of stick greens? there are stick with greens? there are a few that few green councils that i noficed few green councils that i noticed popped over the last noticed popped up over the last local so be local elections, so we could be in situation where as paul in a situation where by, as paul was you know, quite was actually, you know, quite right there not right to say that there may not be this lab

richard tice, the reform party leader chancellor , if leader says, the chancellor, if the win backse the tories to win back those people reform, if people going towards reform, if mrs. de sunak takes the measures which are necessary to get this over the line. but this bill is published hinckley it was not discussed yesterday in cabinet. i that as of this morning i know that as of this morning it signed off yet, so we it wasn't signed off yet, so we should be seeing it at some point. as i say , within the next point. as i say, within the next 24 hours. and what that says will be so important, i think , will be so important, i think, to and his party's to mr sunaks and his party's immediate future . immediate future. >> and chris, a clear torpedo being fired around. again, this word not withstanding and this, of course , is about the ability of course, is about the ability of course, is about the ability of uk law to be sovereign and supreme over the echr and we'll have to wait the details of what of what this bill is. but suella is clearly indicating here that this bill will still f

saying in politics and they were saying he's from the he's only borrowing from the tory the reformer, only tory partyeformer, only borrowing party at borrowing from the tory party at 11. of course, it doesn't 11. but of course, it doesn't matter who they're borrowing 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o they're borrowing 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o tazy're borrowing 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o ta sports)rrowing 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o ta sports game,g 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o ta sports game, it from, like in a sports game, it doesn't matter who you beat. if you're ahead of the dems, you're ahead of the lib dems, you're ahead of the lib dems, you're the dems. you're ahead of the lib dems. and that's politically. and that's huge politically. i mean, i don't know how it's going play but farage going to play out, but farage coming in the jungle, coming third in the jungle, getting exposure and getting so much exposure and being that being seen as somebody that people relate to. i mean, people can relate to. i mean, because huge thing in

saying in politics and they were saying he's from the he's only borrowing from the tory the reformer, only tory partyformer, only borrowing party at borrowing from the tory party at 11. of course, it doesn't 11. but of course, it doesn't matter who they're borrowing 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o they're borrowing 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o tazy're borrowing 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o ta sports)rrowing 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o ta sports game,g 11. but of course, it doesn't mattelike o ta sports game, it from, like in a sports game, it doesn't matter who you beat. if you're ahead of the dems, you're ahead of the lib dems, you're ahead of the lib dems, you're the dems. you're ahead of the lib dems. and that's politically. and that's huge politically. i mean, i don't know how it's going play but farage going to play out, but farage coming in the jungle, coming third in the jungle, getting exposure and getting so much exposure and being that being seen as somebody that people relate to. i mean, people can relate to. i mean, because huge thing in b

we know, of course, we do know that the reform party, led by richard tice, gb news, tice, a colleaguews, he's made very clear he sees it as an immigration election next yeah as an immigration election next year. there's new polling year. and there's new polling out lunchtime. martin, out this lunchtime. martin, before from redfield and before you go from redfield and wilton says that 15, one 5% wilton that says that 15, one 5% of voters who voted conservative in 2019 will now vote for reform . so if these measures work and if they can start pull back that support from the reform party, the tories might do might get near to getting near to what labour's leaders in the polls and reduce that to single figures. be the ambition. >> so chris, this meeting today at between the european at 5:00 between the european research group and the new conservatives is your kind of intel that is then rallying around rwanda. they're going to try and try and whip that plan through to make sure the tories stand together or is there any skulduggery going on? >> well, they also met last night, martin the erg

leader of party and reform of the climate party and reform uk candidate mark howorth. contributions. now we're going to be talking about that big migration announcement when we come back. i believe our political editor is going to be there with the very latest outside . it looks outside downing street. it looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boiler dollars. sponsors of weather are on . gb news. hi there. >> it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast following a very wintry weekend for some of us, it's a milder day today. cloudy for many outbreaks of rain, although it is staying cold in the far north, central and northern scotland. >> and then later for the rest of scotland, northern ireland sitting in the cold air. but across england and wales, southern scotland, we've got a lot of cloud cover outbreaks of rain. that rain, heavy and persistent in places, caused persistent in places, has caused some with some flooded some issues with some flooded roads and so on. and it's slow to move away through the rest of the day. >> so it is going t

he he's almost like an honorary member of the reform party . richard tice leads that party.y and we've got people like ben habib, a very big in the party. nigel hasn't done much. do you think if you were advising him, you would say to him, get back into the thick of the battle with reform, whether he could bear to run for parliament again because he has tried and failed. seven times. yeah well nigel i think is president of reform. >> so he's got an honorary position. i think probably his thought was is he didn't want to lead. it was to step back and let richard tice have his moment, as it were. so mean. if nigel had tried to do a co—leadership thing that would have trodden on richard's toes. so i think he was right to step back and let richard lead it. but he has failed but as you say, he has failed seven my guess he seven times. my guess is he won't want to stand for parliament again. but my goodness, look what he's achieved in lifetime, never achieved in his lifetime, never having in parliament, he's having been in parliament, he's achieved most mps. i achieved more than m

and there's only one party that can deliver that, and that is reform uk gets it in there is plug. >>ard. >> very good. look the reality is that what we have had since actually even before the 90s i would say going back since the 70s is a series of governments that aren't willing to take industrial strategy seriously and actually one of the benefits of leaving the european union is that the tools of making industrial strategy now rest with the british government and my encouragement to keir starmer would be to be bolder on those issues. >> and what that means really is for keir starmer to think about how to use public procurement in a way that promotes economic growth in different parts of the country perhaps providing, uh, country, perhaps providing, uh, tax incentives for businesses to expand or invest in, say, you know, the wirral or doncaster, rather than clumping in the south east. if you get that kind of industrial strategy correct, you will not only help to resolve some of the cost of living and living standards crisis that we face in this country, but also the housing crisis,