okay now and they're all joining us from the us in washington. rena shaw, see the political republican political strategist and how does but i, pennsylvania thomas gift director at the center on the us politics university college london. and also in washington lane came up funding direct to up a center for a tech effective public management at brookings, available and welcome to each of you. it's almost as talk with you because the u. s . has had more than 20 shutdowns in the last 40 years, we might be forgiven. so thinking, here we go again, the same old story, but this time it does feel a little different because it's quite hard to see how it can be resolved and what a final bill might look like. well, i think that you're absolutely right, but this isn't anything necessarily new. and as you know that there have been 20 gaps in federal funding since 1976. and of course most of these have happened under divided government. so i think that it's important to have a little bit of context whenever we're kinda viewing the situation. but at the same time, it does seem like we're at a real im