rendell -- >> no meaning. >> i happen to have met with rendell last week, and he's trying to develop a national infrastructure bank program to get economy moving again. they're all so frustrated because we have no effective way of dealing -- the crisis. >> can't lead. he's not leading. >> that's right. a lot of people are saying. >> the united states of america is not going to pay back its debts, its $14 trillion or 22 trillion by 2020 in dollars of the same value we're borrow now. we look at gold it was at 1800. but with the rendell they want to pivot and go to jobs. he's got a $2 trillion program of something like $200 billion. where we will buy the money with this horrendous debt. >> the president has a proposal, has to package them, punch through, make the american people understand they has serious proposals and not have this defeatist attitude that because the republicans don't want to spend any money, therefore you can't -- >> even if his idea -- >> push it through. and this they want to obstruct, the american people will see. >> even these ideas -- nights it out next year. >>

former governor ed rendell has championed the casinos. >> governor ed rendell: look, gambling is notnything we should say, "oh, thank the lord, we have gambling." but it is a decent way to raise revenue, where the upsides that's produced is significantly better than any downside that comes from it. >> stahl: you said there was downsides to gaming. what are they? >> rendell: the biggest downside is that some people lose their paychecks. but understand, lesley, they're not losing their paychecks because pennsylvania instituted gaming. those people were losing their paychecks in atlantic city, in delaware at the racetracks, or in west virginia. >> stahl: so why not lose it here? >> rendell: well, if they were going to lose it anyway, let's get the upside. we were getting all the downside and none of the upside. >> stahl: the upside, he says, is the $1 billion the state got in gambling revenue last year, which was used to provide a $200-a-home property tax reduction, plus more relief for senior citizens. >> rendell: people have been gambling since organized society was formed on the bank

rendel, i don't know if that would comfort me or not. is that fair, mr. steele? >> that's fair. >> now, can we have your response? >> that's pathetic on three grounds. it is pathetic that the party of ronald reagan would do this. and they proved your point of the reluctance to do it. they are so touted by the tea party that they are afraid of them. ronald reagan raised taxes six times and never apologized for it. he knew it was needed for the economic health. it is not good politics. 67% of the americans say they want deficit handled by spending cuts and revenue increases, particularly closing corporate loop holes. the american people are outraged that 38% of our corporations, like ge, make big profits and pay no taxes. zero taxes. and number three, it's not good for the country. that should be the most important thing. right now this country is in desperate trouble. we need to reduce our deficit significantly. and we can only do that by pairing spending cuts and there should be spending cuts on entitlements, yes, but we also have to raise revenues and do it in a

>>> away from the big ideas we were discussing with governor rendell and the panel. jimmy, karen and susan are all here. small plans playing out congress just reach add deal to end the partial faa shutdown that left tens of thousands with a paycheck and compromising our ongoing safety work but the overall further per sermgs of our government's ability to actually make decisions with a shared purpose that is in a positive direction and shared values to do it. governor, unfair to look at this faa latest as a microcosm of exactly what we're talking about? >> absolutely pathetic. absolute pathetics. we're letting union politics get in the way of safety, get in the way of construction projects, get in the way of the federal government collecting hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. it was pathetic and give harry reid a little credit. talk was the president was in the room during this process and he tried hard to do association but harry reid i think has been great throughout the entire process and my understanding harry brokered this and put it together. >> and susan

edward rendell, an indiana gov. mitch daniels will take your questions about the economy and the budget deal, and the fbi fawcett executives exist -- assistant director shawn henry focuses on the role of combating cyber threat and fraud. "washington journal" is next. >> when congress gets back, my basic argument to them is this -- we should not have to choose between getting our fiscal house in order and jobs and growth. we can't afford to do just one or the other, we've got to do both. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] host: that was president obama yesterday in illinois on his economic bus tour through the midwest. and this morning on "washington journal" we want to get your reaction to his three-day tour through minnesota, iowa, and illinois. what you think the impact of this tour has been? this morning, it is democrats only. yesterday we did republicans only pitted democrats only -- /region. if you can't get through on the phone -- by

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i think governor rendell is right. you have to look at each program and what they bring to the table. when you have a national emergency like this, everyone likes to talk about, see, if you cut this program, then, hey, we wouldn't have had the weatherman standing out in front of the storm. but the reality of it is, there's so much more that goes into those numbers than the top line wanting to cut. i think the smarter thing to do is look at what are the best services that government provides? how well, efficient and capable are they in providing -- who is given the largest benefit from that? that should drive this, not just an arbitrary cut epa, cut the weather program, because we want to cut. i think republican leadership has at least said we want to take a strategic look at what -- what works for government versus what does government spend money on. >> also, michael, if i could interrupt quickly. the republican candidates for president have got to have is a reality check. rick perry said he promised in his opening sp

joining me now is ed rendell, nbc news political analyst and former pennsylvania governor. dana milbank, national political reporter for the washington post. governor rendell, you have run a state, been chief executive of a state, what is your take on the antigovernment rhetoric in the middle of this crisis, unprecedent crisis, for people on the east coast? >> it is absolutely stunning, al. it reminds me of saying the inmates are running -- it's lunacy. government has a role in our lives. and the republicans have got to understand that. and they've got to understand that people do want effective government. rick perry said in his announcement for president that he promised to do everything he could, everyday he is president, to make government inconsequential in your lives. well, do you think the people who are perhaps desperately going to need police or national guard to help them get out of their homes and get to safety in the next day or two? they are going to want inconsequent inconsequential government. do you think the business owner whose place of business gets level

. >> congressman, it's ed rendell.t does that mean? >> there's lots of things to do. it doesn't include big boots on the grounds. our intelligence services working with the tnc can do to be in certain places to make sure those weapons systems are accounted for. >> accounted for i understand. what happens to them? let's assume we got that array of weapons. do we take them? does nato take them? how do we get that done? >> i would argue nato ought to be a part of this and ought to take custody of those weapons systems. there was a plan to incinerate the chemical stockpiles that stalled out a few years ago. we ought to just ensure that happens. they ought to be there as soon as humanly possible to continue that process and not allow that -- those particular facilities to fall into the hands of people who may want to sell it or use it. same with the other weapons systems which is a little more nebulous, because there are so many of them. remember, he proliferated on these weapons systems because of his experience being bomb

rendell, thank you so much for your time tonight. >> my pleasure, rachel. >> this quake was obviously not the big one, but could this quake be a wake-up call to start a serious discussion about the dangerousness about our lousy and large infrastructure? >> it should, but it won't. if we can take any lesson from the bridge collapse in minnesota, the pipelines in northern california blowing up, all the disasters we had, the levies breaking in new orleans and cedar rapids because they were not properly maintained, the impetus will last for a week or ten days, then back to the same old thing, we don't have the money, we can't do it, we can't invest, we can't change things in america, which is pure b.s., but that's what we'll hear. >> is the fact we need it economically too any different now? we are as a country poised for the president to take the bully pulpit, which he says he's going to do and put forward a bold economic plan, bold jobs plan to create jobs. one way to do that is through infrastructure. does his political will make this more possible than if we didn't have his political

ed rendell joins us next. >>> okay, bare with me here, it has an excellent political point, but we have to go through a bad movie and a god book and a really old tv show, but trust me, the arc is perfect. okay, in 2009, a movie was released that was based on the graphic novel "watchmen," it was an action movie, directed by the man who directed the movie "300," i don't mean it to be rude, but it was not a very good movie. do not let it distract you from the fact the book on which the movie was based is a really good book, considered to be one of the first of the great full-length complicated graphic novels period. the back drop is the nuclear threat of the cold war era, and one of our heros decides to save the world from nuclear war by convincing everybody that earth is under attack from aliens. its thinking is all the people of earth are going to have to put aside the stupid things we fight about and unit to face down the alien threat. the editor has talked about having wanted to drop that plot point entirely, the ending for the whole book. the author of "watchmen," the brilliant allen

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that has not come and that's why we are where we are. >> back to governor rendell. where we are, my two-step plan. simple. real jobs. infrastructure, a smart word. even narrow it down to construction jobs on sewer and water and bridges and road stuff that everybody uses every day when they flush the toilet, turn on the faucet. every day they go across a bridge, ride down a road. everybody knows this stuff is fallen to hell and real work, not funny work. number two, we've got to get credibility. governor back to you. i think -- i'm not an expert how he can be president of the united states. i can step back and watch it from a day later, but it seems like there was a couple steps missed here. had he went to the tea party crowd they were pushing boehner around all day long. he could have said to them, okay. we have differences of opinion. here's moo opinion and my plan, dammit, we can cut $4 trillion over the next ten years. big international cuts the world would recognize recognize. i want spending cuts, also revenue from the rich. here's my spending cuts. sticking my

joining us once again, ed rendell, our second former governor of the show tonight and our second formerman, also an nbc contributor. thanks for being here. >> i'm absolutely stunned listening to that, rachel. my mind is boggled. >> you are being very, very diplomatic. you remind me of somebody confronted with a hideous child who says, madam, that's quite a baby. let me ask you, though, about this overall idea we need some sort of sense of political extremist, circumstantial extremist in order to justify doing something right now to create jobs. do you think that's true? >> i don't, and the reason i don't, rachel, is i think the american people want very much cutting across most ideological lines, they want to see common sense things that will increase jobs in america, put people back to work, put investment into our economy, and i don't think it's a stretch, i don't think we need outside aliens to attack us for that to be motivated. i think there's self-motivation here, they just want to see a commonsense approach and an approach that's likely to work. >> i think that you're right that

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let's bring in martin o'malley and claireman of the democratic governor's association and ed rendell, former governor of pennsylvania and now msnbc political analyst. we reached out to over a dozen coastal republicans today, by the way, governors, senators, congressmen pf chris christie's office said they have asked federal funds in the past and will do so again. the others haven't gotten back or said it is too early to say. welcome, governors. governor o'malley, if the worst should happen in maryland, and things get pretty bad there, and there's a disaster that strikes, would you be willing to take federal disaster relief? >> absolutely. there are only some things we can do effectively when we did them together. one of those is protecting lives and property from monster hurricanes like this one. hurricane irene that's bearing down on us, and you know, ron, in closed doors, all governors, regardless of party, will all tell you that fema's operations have been greatly improved in recent years, and it's something that all americans, i think, should take pride in. that there are professi

host: ed rendell was t national committee chair in 2000. governor, the president has talked about this speech he would be given after labor day on jobs. what would be your advice? guest: heavy on infrastructure. use it or lose it. that is the way we could have the quickest impact. number two, do some infrastructure in long-term planning. most importantly at all, wrap the investment program in a big package that calls for serious deficit reduction across the board. no sacred cows. some of the entitment programs have to be looked at. you can do it over the long term. simpson-bowles recommended changes in medicare and social security that did not go into effect until 2050. i would do it earlier than that because we need more of a significant impact. if you put the jobs bill into significant defici reduction where we raise revenue and close loopholes, i think everybody wants to see those loopholes osed. lets close them. a lot of unintentional damage to the country. there is revenue that needs to be raised as well as spending cutshat have to be

ed rendell talks about america's infrastructure needs. on "newsmakers," as american children head back to school, the education secretary talks about the state of the u.s. education system as well as wafers from the note child left behind law. "newsmakers" sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern on c- span. texas congressman and republican presidential candidate was the key speaker at the florida liberty summit in orlando. he talked about the federal reserve monetary policy. the summit is hosted by the group campaigned for the body. ron paul finished the second place in the iowa straw poll. that was one percentage point behind the winner, michele bachmann. >> thank you. thank you very much. thank you for coming and thank you for that very nice reception. i would like to think jack for the introduction. mark has some good organization skills. thank you for helping out. [applause] i wanted to make sure that we made this meeting because we have that vote last week and i wanted to make sure that you knew about the results. you might not ha

governor ed o'malley and former governor ed rendell. >>> settles scores, dick cheney, a new book that will make a lot of people angry. does he express regret? what do you think? you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. economy dimmed this summer. look at this new associated press poll out today. more americans 51% say that george w. bush is mostly to blame for the down economy. while 31% say it's obama's fault. in this poll at least the number of people who say president obama deserves to be re-elected has held steady. maybe that means we'll see a little more of bush-blaming from the president in the campaign. >>> we'll be right back. >>> this book is going to make a lot of people angry. >> there will be heads exploding all the way in washington. >> you knee? >> yes. >> welcome back to "hardball." vice president cheney certainly knows how to hype a book. his autobiography "in my time: a personal and political memoir" is due out next week and based on early reports, it looks like the former vice president is unrepentant. joining me, he's seen the book and reported on it in today's pap

you're on with former governor ed rendell. >> caller: governor? >> guest: good morning, pat. >> caller: hi, i love pennsylvania. several years ago i made a truck trip up through altoona to niagara falls, and went up 219, and you have to, at that time at least, you had to go through 100 small towns with 15-25 miles per hour speed limits. are you familiar with that area? >> guest: very much so. it's interesting you mention that. i give a lot of state money, a lot of what's called appalachian regional money to build up and eliminate those by passes to build up 219 from the border all the way up about 200 or so miles up towards the new york state border. it's a perfect example of a road that needs to be built, not just for our quality of life, but to make that whole 219 region economically competitive. the state invested in building that road, and we're starting to do it, and we could use federal help to finish it. the interesting thing is i was accused in pennsylvania of being a big spender. i did spend money. i would consider it investing, and i inv

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rendell, mr. steele. have good manners. >> you missed point of the answer. >> we're not arguing tonight. >> there is no truce here. >> now, mr. chairman. the specifics, as he said, where are we going to get the money, that's the problem. revenue, we need to get money. we are going to have to start doing things that mr. steele's party won't do. and even when you're in a reasonable way ask them what to do and have you a reasonable answer, for mr. -- from mr. steele, there's got to be balance, when you come to how we pay for it, we seem to go into an imbalance. take care of the rich and don't take care of the poor. >> right. there's no question that's been the big problem. but i think what president has to do to get this package passed, is he's got to do a comprehensive plan. he is talking that way, reverend. that's good news. he's got to do significant debt reduction. he has to tell the super committee, i want to do more than $1.5 trillion and there are no sacred cows. everything is on the table including s

. >>> let's bring in former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, who full com prehenlds the conversation we're having and an shared active value solver in government, in pennsylvania, understands the process of having a north star and shared with groups of people to work with integrity to pursue those north stars. governor, how is it that we -- how much pain do the markets have to bring down upon this government before they get it? >> probably no level of pain can do it before the 2012 election. it's pitiful. had you hear from the republican leadership that they're not going to put anybody on this super committee that participated in the gang of six on the simpson bowles commission, the only group that's really tried to roll up their sleeves and have real discussions about what we need to get the nation's financial picture and economy under control, when you hear that, you know that the next 16 months are going to be wasted. wasted. i'm not sure we can afford to waste those next 16 months. >> let me ask you a question, though. assume by political analysis, history information, you're mor

coming up, ed rendell joins the table plus a look at politico's top stories of the morning. the first atlantic hurricane of the season. >> if you live from florida up to new england, this is the week to pay attention to the forecast. hurricane irene is going to cause problems. now, the hurricane is almost over the top of puerto rico. the island lost power widespread. the storm pulls away today. we no longer think the dominican republic is going to weaken the storm. it will remain a category one for wednesday. it goes over the warm waters, intensifies, up to 90 miles per hour. to florida thursday and friday. winds up to 100 to 110 miles per hour as it goes near or over the top of florida. it looks to keep its eye on the southeast. too early to tell you who is going to get the worst of it in the land fall. you get the gist from florida to south carolina. now is the time to prepare. the hurricane should be near florida on thursday. then a major rainstorm up through new england. you are watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. [ male announcer ] get ready for the left lane. t

and the big payoffs on wall street and the oil industry, in the revolving door, so we've asked ed rendell to join us. he is a man who's gotten more done than most as a politician first at a philadelphia mayor, then as a pennsylvania governor, and as head of the democratic national committee. governor, obviously no politician is going to do this amendment. however, i literally, by good fortune, had a lobbyist who is one of the best in the country, writing a whole string of, and jimy williams asked him, can you write me this amendment? he said, yes. is there any sneism circumstance in which that would be heard? >> you're asking me, dylan? no question. because of the internet, an amendment like this has the ability to have real serious legs, so let me say parenthetically i was a pretty good fund-raiser. and the philadelphia daily news once when i came out in favor of the mccain-feingold finance limits said having him endorse finance is like havali baba endorse thievery. >> that's a wonderful piece of visibility for this conversation, very candid on your part in terms of not only your ability

. >> joining me is now former dnc chairman and pennsylvania governor ed rendell.al analyst. and michael steele, msnbc analyst and former rnc chair. nice to see you two chairmen together tonight. >> good to be here reverend. >> lets let me start with you michael. president obama now gone on a bus tour august 15 through the midwest. are you going on a bus tour through the mansion of mitt romney and tell him he is running for president? >> al, you're such a funny man. >> i wish i was joking. and you wish i was joking too. >> yeah. that's the sad part. i know you're not. the reality of it is -- >> you 234know it is hard to la at the mansion. you could get the bus from one side of the mansion to the other. >> you guys kill me. you guys sit there and begrudge those who work hard and provide for themselves however they want and then you say there something bad like he's god a big house. >> think he's great that he has a big house that he lifted himself up. that's why he aught to be out here with the american people trying to lift them up. >> rev, let me make the point. >

joining me now is former pennsylvania governor, ed rendell, an nbc news political analyst. it is nice to see you. president obama said this deal would mean the lowest level of domestic spending since eisenhower. what does it mean for the states? >> a lot of federal support that goes directly into state programs is going to be cut as well. there are pretty much everything is going to be can over the course of time. the good news, ask that nevada state senator to take a deep bret. with the cbo report that you just said of only $21 billion in cuts this first year, states are not going to absorb dramatic, drastic level of cuts in their programs. there is just not enough money in that $21 billion, because it will be across the board, to affect the money that states get as a very high level. >> whether we talk about specifically the funding where states could find their losses, specifically, where would they be? >> it could be in anything from transportation to welfare programs to medicaid. you name it. none of those cuts are easy to take. many of those cuts will mean additional

i'm joined by former democratic governor of pennsylvania, ed rendell. good morning to you, ed. good to see you. >> state by state as we look at this. i mean, that essential is how elections are won. how tough is the fight going to be in 2012 in these battleground states recited in the poll? >> it's not going to be easy for the president, but, remember, alex, the toughest thing for an incumbent politician to run against is himself. it changes when there's an opponent. it changes when there are debates. it changes when there's a comparison made by the voters side-by-side. if i'm president obama's campaign manager, i am not too alarmed. i'm worried about these polls, but i'm not too alarmed. i think it changes once the race is joined, and it's sort of natural with all of the things that have gone wrong in the country, many of which are not the fault of the president. it's sort of natural that people are ticked off and they tend to focus their eyre on incumbents. it's far too early this is tougher or easier. i don't think president obama, for example, is going to win pennsylvania b

pennsylvania governor ed rendell said on "morning joe" after all of the criticism, the president is notetting the credit he deserves. >> he was mocked with this plan, and it will never work and the rebels are disorganized and we have to put ground troops on the ground and overthrow gadhafi, and it worked not one american fighting man or woman got hurt and worked to a "t" and we have gotten rid of gadhafi. >> and joining me now the talk more about this is michael tamaski from the daily beast. and as we hear the rule of gadhafi is apparently coming to an end, but there are people who are still willing to fight, and we don't know what lies around the corner, but we can talk about the silence by a number of the gop candidates. michele bachmann no comment so far, and mitt romney initially supported the effort, but said it is not muscular enough, but it seems to be enough to bring down the rule, and what do you make of the gop candidates being silent and the comments from huntsman? >> well, the silence is unsurprising, because the republicans hate to see a democratic president succeed on what

you probably saw ed rendell's claim this is a victory, what's your take?>> if gadhafi is gone, and by all accounts if he's not gone yet, he will be gone very soon. that's a victory for most of the democracies in the world, certainly in the region, given gadhafi ease his tire over 42 years. without gadhafi, that's a big gain. having said that, we don't know what the transition is going to look like. i know that right now they are united, this transitional council. they're united in their opposition to gadhafi, but not necessarily united among themselves. they have various different interpretations of what a libya should look like. having said that, they went in in march, and now gadhafi is on the verge of being gone. that's a plus for the u.s. >> and you talked about the national council working together right now, but you're talking more than 140 tribes. this could be a dividing moment as well. there's a lot of concern, how do we prevent a civil war. we know the tnc is going to be in place, but it could get worse with the looting and -- >> and taking reven

and our next segment are with former pennsylvania governor ed rendell who is promoting infrastructure spending. we'll be talking with him as well as current indiana governor mitch daniels about his new book. those are two segments coming up on the "washington journal" and then following those our continued series this week looking inside the fbi. today it's the fbi and cybersecurity. "wall street journal" editorial, obama on the farm, prepare to be insulted. if he wished to express a point of view not shared by president obama. agree with him and he won't even hold it against you that you're a billionaire who owns a credit rating agency. mr. obama's unique brand of political discernment was captured on film yesterday during a town hall event atkinson, illinois and after welcoming the president to down he said drought conditions had made it an especially tough year in the midwest. then he said, please don't challenge us with more rules and regulations from washington, d.c. he added that farmers like to rise in the morning and start tending their fields not their paperwork. mr. obama as

intersection of media and the courts already knows and knows well, floyd abrams of cahill, gordon and rendell. if you don't believe me everybody already knows him, do what i did and google mr. first amendment. with the exception of couple honorable mentions like less than honorable mentions like rod blagojevich, pretty much every single hit going back decades leads you to floyd abrams. everybody is left to fight over the title first amendment guru which is marginally more democratic in only 3/46 the hits go to floyd abrams. he is mr. first amendment for good reason. over the last few decades he arguedly literally dozens of nation's most important first amendment cases. i won't list them for you but because of the reasons we're here today i will mention a couple that are near and dear who cover the courts. first is the nebraska press case which he argued with barry, jr., led to quotable boilerplate we put into briefs. prior restraints on speech are most serious and least tolerable infringement on first amendment rights. other one is smith versus "daily mail". which in nye mind clearest exposit