going back starting with mccarthy's and 70 years ago in the 50s in the late 40s, republican party haslways encouraged and exploited far right extremism. this is not been the totality of the party all this time. but it has always been present. sometimes it's waxed and waned and gotten more intense and less intense but some republican leaders have done it more than others. it's always part of the republican dna. so i think if we understand that history, we can understand the present moment we have just one republican leader endorsing qanon pretty have the entire republican party endorsing a leader who endorses q and r. mcconnell said donald trump got the nomination again he would support him. so a fellow is out there saying he would possibly pardon the hundreds of trump supporters who beat up and assaulted brutally the police officers up there is now the leader of the republican party has their full instant entire support. that's why talk about crazy. it's all within this longis historical context. >> we know you go back and we'll talk more about that. what do you hope your book contrib

i said earlier the republican party is worth fighting for.t is because there are people today on the left with very different ideas. -- ideas who call our founding documents obsolete. one popular writer recently called the constitution trash. they wanted to rewrite our founding dates and what our founders demonized and erased. they do not want equality. they would like to divide us up by identity and pit us against each other. push back is necessary. some of reagan's persuasion can guide the way. in his farewell address reagan reminds us ours was the first revolution in the history of mankind that truly reversed the course of government. and with three little words, we the people. we the people telling -- people tell governments what to do. it does not tell us. we the people are the driver and the government is the car. and we decide where it should go. sadly, this is not where the republican party is today, at least at the federal level. i believe a dangerous strain of big government activism has taken hold and for liberties sake we need to

it's an american problem and i agree that the republican party has a huge problem with the paranoid style but there are a lot of instances over the last 70 years where the democratic party and liberals are guilty of all sorts of -- >> read the book and then we'll talk. >> i want to get laura's quick take because on monday in arizona. mitch mcconnell appeared with the university -- at the university of louisville with sir kyrsten sinema. listen what mcconnell said about her. >> she is in my view and i've told her this where the most effective first term senator i've seen in my time in the senate. >> okay. what's going on there? [ laughter ] >> that seems mischievous. >> no, you're -- it is mischievous. mcconnell -- senator sinema and he have a good relationship. she's demonstrated she enjoys being a senator that works frequently with republicans to the dismay of democrats in the senate, to the dismay of a lot of democrats on the ground in arizona so i think we should not be surprised when she faces a primary challenge potentially from house member giago because he's forecasting that from k

the republican party is the party of trump.t you are the party of the big lie, you are the party of undermining american democracy. it's the party that's swiftly pivoted back to this man, and it's going to, it's going to end up hurting them in the long run. (clock ticking) >> one more time, here we go. >> narrator: january 6 has continued to overshadow washington, and american politics. >> with the house january 6 committee set to hold its first hearing tonight in primetime, a tv spectacular. democrats say the future of democracy is on the line. >> a critical moment for our democracy after... >> narrator: democrats convened primetime hearings detailing the assault on american democracy. >> the committee is hoping to ma sure the country never forgets that day, and that the people responsible are held accountable. (gavel bangs) >> what i saw was just a war scene. >> an armed revolution. i mean, people died that day. >> we were watching the capitol building get defaced over a lie. >> but i had to be faithful to the constitution. t

we, the republican party, are making a mistake. i think they're leaning too heavily if we can discredit joe biden. joe biden is not the problem. the democratic party is the problem. it's a cult that is trying to destroy america, trying to remove all of its biblical values, trying to groom our kids and trying to fundamentally throw out this constitution that served me, serves you, served them. they have sold us out and people need to stand on what world are we leaving these kids and if we look, we're not doing a great job. we should be embarrassed. we're leaving them a world that sun like anything that we've ever seen here in america. i don't have kids, tucker. my motivation, though, is my childhood was so phenomenal and i was poor, i was poor, but my childhood was so phenomenal that i want to leave that world to other kids. we're not. >> tucker: yeah that is absolutely true. i think you make a wise point about biden. nobody supports biden. everybody knows biden doesn't really exist. but if you're hoping you get elected because he's

is a question we must have a really good answer for because the republican party is a party worth fighting for. for me and i will start with a pretty basic question, why am i a republican? the answer is pretty simple. i was raised that way. the values were instilled in me right from the beginning. i was raised in toledo, ohio. my dad was a cop, my mom stayed at home. my grandparents lived pretty much down the street. we were midwestern and middle america. family was everything and the center of our lives, so was faith. my family believed in a patch on the back and when absolutely necessary a little lower. [laughter] we respected rules and authority. there was never any talk of political parties. most of my family and the people around the school community where we grew up, probably either voted for or admired john f. kennedy. but there was a sense that america was great and the future was bright. eventually, my mom moved out west with my siblings and me. i probably cast my first vote ever for president reagan in 1984. i started my career in southern california. it was still very much reaga

i low -- i know the republican party best. are couple of real challenges that we face and a couple of things we need to do to fix those challenges. one is the abandonment of substance. those party platforms and what party you stand for has to mean something. we don't just believe these things because the party we are a member of believes these things. we believe in a conservative philosophy and principles, because they are the ones we believe are the right ones for the nation. there are a whole host of incentives now that discourage substance in our elected officials. i really welcome it when we are going to have a debate or discussion in the house, if the person who was on the others of the debate from me, there are members that will have prepared, i know that they will have good arguments. i know they will have been thoughtful. those debates are wonderful. we learn something and it forces everybody to be at the top of their game because you have to be able to advocate for your position. i think the incentives right now in ou

element anymore within the republican party. >> i think the probleme so many republicans who are elected into office, especially in the house, worry about donald trump is because -- they're worried about somebody coming in from their right who is more loyal to trump and riling up the base and getting those votes. they are worried about being attacked. are the republicans out there who fit this idea that joe biden is putting out there? yes, they exist. they are out there. they're the ones who switch from trump to biden. they are the voters who think people are persuadable still. who vote republican, not necessarily because they love trump, but because they feel like the democrats might be too left. and say what you will about the idea that these voters are -- they do exist, but the idea that they are going to somehow rise up and take back their party, that feels unlikely at this point. i feel like they would've done so at this point if they could have. i feel like if the republicans who are elected to the house, -- if we saw more candidates that are ca

i'm just going to start one of the figures as you describe in the actions i guess of the wu republican party of the most -- party's thomas dewey of the governor of new york and attorney general who is a big crime buster. >> he was long neglected but a fascinating fellow. he was from michigan and he was an aspiring opera singer. he was a bass baritone and he had a very good voice. he came to new york to seek his career as a lawyer and through much of his time he sang in the jewish synagogue to sing to have enough money to pay his rent. originally he was very much teddy roosevelt oriented and teddy roosevelt had fueled much of the progressive wing of the party. the guy who seem to emerge as the heartthrob of this liberal wing of the party was someone named herbert clarke hoover. all these young guys like herbert rondell came to new york together mostly from the midwest and started their careers together. in the 1920s herbert hoover was deep into activism and dewey picked up that torch and do we and his classmates his friends became the standard bearers of the more moderate wing of the republic

think, you know, what i discovered in doing this book is, that there was no golden age of the republican partythat this was not an issue within the party. it was just not talked about. the media didn't cover it as much and the republican party itself didn't acknowledge it and was able to keep it to the side. barry goldwater and richard nixon cutting a deal with white supremacists. and jerry fall wul and others were saying gay people want to kill other americans. john boehner and the tea party, sarah palin. it's always been there. demagoguing and dehumanizing, vilifying the other side. i think what we see if you look at it through this long stretch is it's gotten deeper and more intense. if you go from sarah palin to the tea party to trumpism and as the republican party has accepted and encouraged this part of its base, it's thrown it out sort of bloodier and bloodier, red meat until donald trump comes along and says, i know what you want. i'm not even going to bother with the other stuff, ideology and policy disputes and debates, i'm just going to give you the straight up red meat and you list

i low -- i know the republican party best. here are couple of real challenges that we face and a couple of things we need to do to fix those challenges. one is the abandonment of substance. those party platforms and what party you stand for has to mean something. we don't just believe these things because the party we are a member of believes these things. we believe in a conservative philosophy and principles, because they are the ones we believe are the right ones for the nation. there are a whole host of incentives now that discourage substance in our elected officials. i really welcome it when we are going to have a debate or discussion in the house, if the person who was on the others of the debate from me, there are members that will have prepared, i know that they will have good arguments. i know they will have been thoughtful. those debates are wonderful. we learn something and it forces everybody to be at the top of their game because you have to be able to advocate for your position. i think the incentives right now i

went crazy, argues that the republican party's embrace of dangerous lies and conspiracies goes back to mccarthyism. in fact, it is in the party's dna at this point. corn rights quote, for decades republicans have told voters to be scared and suspicious. the world was a treacherous place, full of hidden foes commies, radicals, black protesters, secularist, those of the american family. david corn is back with us to break all of this down. david, it's good to see you. let's start with trump's recent embrace of qanon taking it to a whole new level this week. how is the right so comfortable with trump openly embracing these dangerous and sikh conspiracies? >> well, it's not so much why these what why the rioters accountable, it's why the republican is so comfortable? my book is a history of the nature of the republican party and a critical analysis of how the republican party, the gop, for seven decades has also encouraged and exploited extremism, racism, bigotry, paranoia, and conspiracy theory as you see now with qanon. and note that i start the book in the mccarthy period when joe mcc

we've told ourselves left right and center that the republican party, the mainstream republican party, has effectively policed those extremes and keep them at bay until now. in fact, i think, tell me if i'm wrong, but what i took from your book is that there are multiple instances in which the guys who we think of that as the good guys actually chose deliberately to keep cultivating those extremes. keep the qanon movements of their time alive and agitating for the republican cause. >> again, the pattern is obvious when you go back and. look there's not a single major republican president or presidential candidate that didn't embrace and extremism to some degree. and waxes and wanes, and some of da nang tensely than others, but it's always been part of the republican playbook. a recent example that of course you'll remember, most of our viewers will, will be john boehner embracing the tea party. the tea party was an extremist movement that was arguing that barack obama was a secret socialist muslim born in africa that had a secret plan to destroy the american country so he could impose

the republican party for 70 years keeps having this dance with extremism. encouraging exploiting extremism. it's happened all the time we see now donald trump and the republican party is not an aberration, it's a continuation, and i was struck because i was reading up on the italian election earlier today, and there was an academic in europe who was talking about the history and he said, what we are seeing in italy is nothing new. you make that point quite, obviously. but even in the last 50 years, the far right has always been there starting at the end of world war ii, and it has bubbled up and bubbled down, bubbled up and bubbled down, and now it's just emerging. it's always been there. the same way we have always had a fringe far-right fanaticism here that the republican party has always tried to exploit to its own benefit whether it was mccarthyism, the birchers, white segregationists in the '60s and '70s, and donald trump just made it burst out. and it's interesting. in italy, you know, they have a multiple-party system. in italy the fringe elements, t

. >> there's no question that the republican party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by donald trump and the maga republicans. and that is a threat to this country. for a long time we've told ourselves that american democracy is guaranteed but it's not. we have to defend it, protect it, stand up for it, each and every one of us. >> republicans, on the other hand, they say it's a judgment on two years of democratic control of washington. >> joe biden has launched an assault on the soul of america, on its people, on its laws, on its most sacred values. this is the national referendum, a referendum on inflation, illegal immigration, indoctrination, and crime at home and humiliation abroad. >> democrats feel the wind at their backs after a series of legislative wins and republican setbacks. polls show they've regained a narrow lead on who voters say they prefer win control of congress. but republicans know they don't need a red tsunami on november 8th, just a red trickle. five seats in the house, one seat in the senate, that's all it takes to win control. now let's discuss this and

red lines will be punished in this way, therefore, here's a bet on it, if, nevertheless , the republican partyity with trump and indeed after the midterm elections, which, well, most likely will lead to the fact that the chamber will go under e, it means that the party majority will change. and then, of course, this conflict. by the year 23 and the twenty-fourth year, it will have acquired a completely different character. and you can expect things to work out. in general, to use. let's just say non-linear means of combating non-linear means. e you mentioned from label fascism. well, we understand, it happens to us too. this is when you don’t want to talk at all, but want to swear, but still, uh, we know very well that there are very different forces behind trump, including, to put it mildly, extremely extravagant, such ultra-reactionary some really with some russian flavor. and how dangerous it really is that these forces are being legitimized in america. i think, well, the danger, first of all, of course, there are certainly different trump forces, uh. in general, he is ready to play with an

which he as we're seeing now with this reporting about the republican parties money problems. wyers in for what else. but not a surly for republican candidates. i think we're coming closer and closer to having trump an actual collusion with the trump's needs being in collision with the needs of the republican party. and so, while he's raising money for himself, he's not necessarily raising money for the party. >> matt, we've seen trump lashed out again and again with the walls are closing in. that's nothing new, right? that playbook has worked for him in the past. the ad hominem attacks, the lies, do you think it's going to work this time? i think there's a consensus that the walls really do seem to be closing in on him right now and he is in serious legal peril. >> with donald trump, there is this interesting political phenomenon which is as he's under attack and as he gets more outrageous, which his base loves, he solidifies his shrinking base more and than it does himself damage among the broader general public. that's what happened simultaneously which is why there's many t

e so that should be the single the reyfocus political party, particularly the republican party, because there's nopuse the other party t thd this are you see this happen in politics, though never more so than now. the parties, of coursepart, pivt against each other. oh, you're for that. i'm for the other thing.t ea chit's childish, but it's real. so allt of a sudden you have a political party just making a case against having children ,making a case for devoting your life to some soulless multinational corporation. i'm not against all businesses. i've always been fore fo you free enterprise. but when i hear people saylife a abortions, the most importanthae thing most important. right, that we have, i ask myself, what do yomyseu really saying? i mean, honestly, think aboutth it for a second.about itecond.it and i am a pro-life, which complete is to be completely clear , fervenly ct one .he >> but what are they really saying? so conservatives sayin, i think often begin with the debate over whether this is a lifether and whether abortion is ending a life. that's not really a debate. everyb

where is the republicans' responsibility to say we want this out of our party and not just back away from their candidates, but actively try to stop it? >> well, i mean, there's been decades where -- what the republicans have done is they have worked with, they have tolerated, they have appeased the conspiracy theorists and the extremists under the assumption that they needed them to win elections, but they could somehow control them. of course it hasn't worked out that way. but to your point about establishment republicans, you said that the governor of maryland, who's calling out the republican nominee, but in many ways it's an outlier. larry hogan is an outlier. the established republicans ignoring all the lessons of history saying these guys are nuts, extremists, embracing big lies. but in the interest of party unity, we are going to support them anyway. so you're seeing that in arizona. you are seeing that in pennsylvania. you're going to see that in new hampshire as well , that republicans who understand how dangerous this is nevertheless decide they're going to put party over c

you're seeing the republican party has willingly evolved into this. lindsey graham, all the rest, they're doing this knowing what it is. >> yeah, absolutely. you know, the tea party kind of subsided for a while when fox news stopped promoting it for a couple years but the sentiment never went away. the tea party basically faded from view right around the same time that trump embraced birtherism, and you know, the whole norman vincent peale think, trump sees himself as the master salesman, but we know he's a huckster, a conman, but that's his sense, and he knows what sells. and he probably doesn't know the first thing about qanon or understand what it's all about. but he knows that it sells. he knows that they're responding, you see he looks out at the crowd and sees people coming with their q signs and q t-shirts, and he knows i have got to sell these people. >> yeah. >> and you know, and so he's done it. he finds their music and plays it. >> exactly. literally. >> yeah, he finds their slogans and he adopts it. that's his skill. you don't become presid

that is the basis of when i say the republican party has gotten somewhat crazy. ie taylor greene meeting with nazis, white supremacists, and the party has not disavowed her or thrown her out. of course, she was using qanon theories before she got elected to the house of representatives. you cannot find democrats out there endorsing such extremism and using it as a fundamental platform to get elected, so i do not think -- you may not like their policies. you may think it is crazy to want to tax the wealthy and defend clean energy, to give people parental leave from work, sick leave that is paid. you may think it is crazy to have dental coverage added to medicare. that is not the crazy i am talking about. i talking about a party that has moved behind leaders and ideas that are detached from reality and easy to disprove and impossible to prove. host: next we have peter in new jersey on the democratic line. you are on, peter. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to air a theory i have had for some time. that is that democrats seem to be bet

i call it, the republican party, he calls them maga republicans, i call that the maga party. so, making a delineation between that so each one of us, and as you said, those independents, have a place to go. and understand that yes, the president said we are not part of them. but we are part of this american experiment. i think that is going to be helpful. >> hang on for a second. we have to take a commercial, pay the bills, and that we will talk about the war. we will continue our conversation after a quick commercial break. we've got much more ahead this hour. republicans in michigan seem to know their antiabortion stance is unpopular, because they are trying to block a vote on abortion rights. it looks like all systems go for the moment at florida's kennedy space center. the launch window for the artemis 1 rockets opens in just over four and a half hours. nbc's jake ward is there. and the so-called mainstream republicans we were just talking about, president biden says he knows he can work with them. we'll talk to two major players from team normal republican party about wh

trump, you own the republican party? god bless. it is your party. for, the maga party. i think biden really laid it out. the democrats have to just stay in this lane. it's there. it's been put out there. >> mm-hmm. >> do not stray from it. the playbook is there, and it is single minded. it trumps every other argument the republicans can come up with. >> it's become a very powerful argument. that is for sure. donny deutsch, thank you very much. >>> coming up, what impact could president biden's pointed speech on maga republicans have on the midterms? senator kiersten gillibrand and congresswoman stacey plaskett will join us. >>> also, nearly 200,000 people in jackson, mississippi, who are entering their second month without clean drinking water. after a longstanding issue at one of the city's water treatment facilities were made worse by heavy rain and flooding last weekend. mississippi governor tate reeves has deployed more than 500 national guard troops at water distribution sites across the state. he announced yesterday one of the broken pumps at

republican, what are the differences. if you can go into a bit of differences between the working families party and the democratic party, do you consider yourself a facest? guest: the key mark of the maga republican cult, a allegiance to donald trump. a willingness to align yourself with political violence. also, a willingness to challenge for democratic institutions if it achieves your political end. this is the nature of eight anti-democratic. conservatives believe all types of things about corporate taxes, the size of government, about core values, that has nothing to do about whether or not you pledge allegiance to a individual or if you are willing to nullify the election if you do not get the outcome you want. the working families party and who we are in distinction between us and the democratic parties, we unite with everybody. we unite with the democratic party in general elections in order to concede the far right. we engage in a rigorous debate year-round on the issue with folks to identify -- with folks who identify as a democrat. the way that we talk about just can seem very binary. for us we believe in the p

parties are, look no further. w at the extreme maga republicans. moments a lower inflation. one party what's a lower inflation and help families make ends meet to tackle the generational challenges we face. it passed major legislation to that effect, now law. so you know republicans are dangerously out of touch. initial theme more mainstream heaven help us joe starks street reart. art portion of the republican party herbert truly extreme and abused on a woman's right to choose. in the few months of the dobbs decision republican state legislatures in place like indiana, south carolina and others have introduced or enacted new abortion restrictions with alarmingly few exceptions of rape or incest.s in this chamber senate republicans spent years confirming judges hostile to dofreedom of choice. including three sitting supreme court justices who joined with the majority in overturning roe. they then a majority leader out minority leader mcconnell has repeatedly said his great accomplishments brings judges on the court. to overturn roe v wade to the american people want that? i do

reality that there is an authoritarian strain within the trump movement that is part of the republican partyon to this by so many republicans and conservatives to say well, he is smearing all 74 million people who voted for donald trump. i think actually underscores the vulnerability here. because we do know from polling that there is something between a fifth and a quarter of republican voters who are uneasy with everything donald trump has done since the election who do see him having responsibility for january 6th, who are worried about the kind of normalization of political violence, and one of the key questions for november is can democrats sustain the games they made in '18 and '20 in white collar suburbs among voters who usually leaned republican in the past. and there is evidence they are. not specifically because of democracy, but i think it is related to the reemergence of president trump in our debate. >> you can look at liz cheney of there being a spectrum shall we say in the republican party. there is not the monolith, even when we're talking about partnership. let me ask you, m

hyde in the republican party.s really all hyde. >> you know, charles, i have likened the -- the republicans -- the republican party the way that they have emerged now to the dixieocrats before. i call them dixieocrat republicans. it's it a southern-based party, a party that purports things like white replacement theory, whether they do the hard core version that tucker does on fox or they do the soft version, anti-immigrant, very anti-black people being able to involvement you know, you just go down the list. it's sort of a dixieocrat parliament the question is is it a faction or is it a party? >> yeah, i think, you know, it's very hard to split that hair and what biden is doing, you know, is being a politician when he tries to do that. when you look at how the republicans voted for donald trump in the last election it was north of 90%, when you look at recent pri poll, 70% plus of people still have a favorable -- republicans, still have a favorable view of donald trump and they want him to run again in 2024. abou

that is the basis of when i say the republican party has gotten somewhat crazy. orie taylor greene meeting with nazis, white supremacists, and the party has not disavowed her or thrown her out. of course, she was using qanon theories before she got elected to the house of representatives. you cannot find democrats out there endorsing such extremism and using it as a fundamental platform to get elected, so i do not think -- you may not like their policies. you may think it is crazy to want to tax the wealthy and defend clean energy, to give people parental leave from work, sick leave that is paid. you may think it is crazy to have dental coverage added to medicare. that is not the crazy i am talking about. i talking about a party that has moved behind leaders and ideas that are detached from reality and easy to disprove and impossible to prove. host: next we have peter in new jersey on the democratic line. you are on, peter. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to air a theory i have had for some time. that is that democrats seem to be b

the midterm elections on november. 8th, we're hearing from the chairwoman of the california republican party about her message for voters. a couple course. money want to sit down with jessica milan, patterson on where the party stands heading into the midterms. well, for years now, california has been a blue state, but chair patterson is confident the republican party could make inroads this election and it all comes down to messaging. >> feeling very optimistic. that's the feeling from california republican party chairwoman jessica millan patterson ahead of the 2022 midterm elections. election set to include key races for congress. half of the seats in the state senate. all of the seats in the state assembly and major contests for statewide offices, including governor. we're going to be working hard every single day to bring our message to some communities that haven't heard that message before and talk about what republican solutions are. that in part, he says includes a message about some of the state's most pressing issues, including homelessness, the cost of housing. >> and in many plac

i thought i was writing a history of the dark side of the republican party for 70 years. e party has rallied behind trump and his conspiracism. and his promises to pardon the people who committed violence. last question to you, we've got to go, how concerned are you given the connections to qanon and the mainstreaming of these conspiracy theorists that we could see another january six? >> a herculean has been connected to violence again and again. trump saying that he would pardon the people who bashed in the skulls of the cops on january six, oh this is an encouragement and an incitement to violence. the crazy is getting crazier. january six do not put the brakes on. it seems to have accelerated extremism. that to me is worrisome. we collectively have yet to see any break supply on the republican embraced encouragement an exploitation of such paranoia and psychosis. >> name in the book is american psychosis, a historical investigation of how the republican party went crazy. the author is david corn. david, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. >> thanks, jona

increase republican voter registration. >> so when i was first elected to chair of the california republican party, it was a really dark time for california. republicans. we were the 3rd largest party in the state. if you include declined to states in july 2020, we surpassed decline to state and we continue to build on that march and it's about engagement. >> and it is important to know. we are in touch with california democratic chair rusty hicks about his goals. we plan to bring you that as the midterms approach reporting here outside the california state capitol eytan wallace kron. 4 news. next. celebrity governors in a war of words. but what about that debate with all the hair gel and spray? the latest on that and the federal issue more and more governors are. >> trying to take into their own hands. plus, brutal winds, rain, all thanks to hurricane fiona, how puerto rico and the dominican republic are doing and where the cat 3 storm is headed now. >> also, dreamforce week in san francisco, the sales force founder. he's using his success to try to help local schools. >> it's been 10 years since

if she leaves the republican party where do you think she ends up, and do you think republicans care?cans that support what she's doing in terms of standing up for defending freedom, peaceful transfer of power and upholding the rule of law. but publicly, many of them are saying don't let the door hit you on the way out. they say she has caused too much attention to her frustration with donald trump and what he's done with january 6th, and they are happy to see her leave. i talked with her camp, and they tell me she doesn't really want to leave the republican party, but if he's the nominee she has no choice. she would view donald trump as the nominee of the republican party in 2024 as the party is more of a cultive personality as opposed to a party of principle. and what we need to do moving forward is get back to the principles and focus on what voters care about which is the economy, inflation and crime. we don't need to continue to carry water on donald trump for his past grievances on the election he clearly lost. >> maria, as closely as liz cheney has worked with democrats on the

he was absolutely right, in my opinion, that the trump wing of the republican party and maga republicansrails of actual universe and represented democracy. you cannot have a democracy in which one party does not accept the legitimacy of the other party's candidates, elected officials, the outcomes of elections. but that is where we are with donald trump and the maga faction since they first questioned the legitimacy of president obama's election, denied that he had been born in america. that was the start of all of this, and it is really important that president biden call that out for the nation. amy: i want to go back to president biden speaking last night. pres. biden: today, there are dangers around us that we cannot allow to prevail. you heard it. re and more talk about violence as an acceptable political tool in this country. it is not. it can never be an acceptable tool. i want to say this plain and simple. there is no place for political violence in america, period, none, ever. [applause] we saw a law enforcement brutally attacked on january 6. we have seen election workers, poll

but no, the truth of the matter is that president trump and the republican party is seen as successfuln issues that matter to the country, to conservatism, the court, the border, strong national security. so he's in good standing with republicans. i'm going to stop you if i may. because it seems to me politics isn't just about polling, it's not just about appealing to your core base and activists. you're right. that's where i was headed. it really is about also showing respect for principals, for institutions, and for the democracy that you live under. and right now it really looks as though there are very serious questions about whether donald trump is respecting the laws of the united states of america. yeah, yeah, you know, that's what people will be voting on. i don't think that's what people are going to be voting on. i think that's a bunch of new york times—stirred stuff. the bottom line is, we live in america, right, where you had hillary clinton set up a server in her basement to get classified information in a way she shouldn't have gotten it. 30,000 e—mails that were subpoena

again, reference in to sort of categorize the republican party at least a faction of it as being extremist in nature. as the reason that the president in his party are doing this is because this has been somewhat successful in a really pointing out a vulnerability of the republican party referencing the january 6th attack on the u . s. capital something that many americans were horrified to see. it, it's an image that conjures up a very painful memory for many americans when they felt that democracy was in fact under attack. and so this is something that, the republicans, i feel as a vulnerability and democrats are seizing on that in advance of the congressional elections. which are now about 8 weeks away. and so this is a deliberate strategy on the part of the democratic party and the white house. our bill schneider is a public policy professor at george mason university. he joins a sly from washington, dc. great to have you with us a bit. let me start by asking you much, president biden has started really calling out republicans for what he calls maga extremism. and, you know, many democ

this was a very important issue to the republican party. i don't hear any republican officials talking about this today except for potentially liz cheney and adam kinzinger. >> i remember those days too, and they're a long time ago. what's happening is both shocking but completely predictable. the republican party, this current variation of it, iteration of it, is a neolistach party. there are no boundaries, no guardrails and no place they won't go. and so we see manifestations of this here, there, and everywhere, and they come up on a daily basis. but the fundamentally what's going on is this is an attack on truth, an attack on democracy. we're going to see a lot more of this. >> just to underline, this is not partisan. you're a conservative republican. this guest speaker who was featured at trump's rally this weekend in my home commonwealth of pennsylvania, cynthia hughes, trump invited her to speak to the crowd. he's a leader of a support group for january 6th defendants, including her nephew who was a capitol rioter. >> he went to the n

i think the republican party is sort of consistent with an effort or movement to define itself in an outsider way, trying to gain institutional power in the party. you see less of that in a democratic race. that is a critical asymmetry. a which of blame is sort of linguistic fallback. i don't know if it is the most useful analytical framework, but the parties are different >> can i just say, it is important not to miss the forest for the trees. i don't know how these work. this primary challenge or that one, you could say yes. the democratic establishment is supporting a pro-life representative in texas. i think, once you take two steps back, that is one. it is broad empirical research. we don't rely on roi -- our cherry picking example. i have a really hard time not seeing a profound asymmetry in one side left. the democratic party is by international comparison, and there's a bunch of research on that, just a standard centerleft party, a pretty big tent party that goes all the way from joe manchin to wherever you want to go, aoc or whatever, that is a standard centerleft party with