rhodes. he will be spending 18 years in federal prison for the crimes he committed up and until january 6th as he gathered oath keepers to washington, d.c. and they went inside the capitol, when he was leading the organization and wanting to essentially foment violence in the united states because of the transfer of power from donald trump to joe biden. the judge is just finishing his speech to rhodes and delivering that sentence right now, and he is fully aware -- you can tell by what the judge is saying, how worried he is, for the ongoing threat that this political extremism that stewart rhodes espouses. even today the judge just asked, i dare say, we now hold our collective breath when an election is approaching, will we have another january 6th, it remains to be seen. he pointed out to rhodes how much rhodes is not showing any remorse at all and how he is believing from what stewart rhodes just said in the courtroom to him today that rhodes is ready to take up arms the moment he is releas

and further improve the lives of all rhode islanders. i know he will continue to be a fearless advocate for the people of rhode island and for the causes he believes in and the causes he believes are right. david cicilline knows why he became a member of the congress. he understands the power of this institution. its ability to transform people's lives. he didn't come like some these days to dismantle the institution, but to push the edge of that envelope which could help to make a difference for the people in this country. we will wish him, my brother, what an honor it has been for me to serve with you. and more importantly, what a pleasure it has been for me to call you my friend and my brother. and next time i'm in providence, and i hope that will be soon, we can get a drink at clemen tine's cocktail bar -- clementine's cocktail bar and plan some good trouble together. god bless you, my dear and wonderful friend. without doubt, i will miss you. thank you and i would thank mr. magaziner for recognizing me. mr. magaziner: thank you. mr.

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he was just saying in court that rhodes was calculated.ific purpose and he was targeting an constitutional of american democracy at its most important moment. some of things that rhodes was saying, he was talking about bloody revolution and civil war. those are the sorts of words that led the judge to find he could be qualified as someone committing domestic terrorism on january 6th. and you're right. he has not said any remorse. the judge noted he's not had a single message of regret in many, many messages he sent. and the justice document has documented in this case since january 6th. and just now as we speak, stewart rhodes appears to be still addressing the court, and what he started with saying, the first thing he said, my colleague was just capturing it, he's a political prisoner. like donald trump, the only crime he's committed is opposing people who were destroy ing the country he continues to speak. but when he's done, that's when we expect the judge to deliver the sentence to him. >> an important moment we'll come back to you whe

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rhodes, you are here because of your actions.u sir, present an ongoing threat and apparel to this country, and to the republic and to the very fabric of this democracy. elmer roads also in his way, has always presented a threat to himself. because of his relentless stupidity, which is now sending him for possibly the rest of his life, to federal prison. but it is also the reason that he wears an eye patch. his wife told the los angeles times that rhodes accidentally dropped a 22 caliber handgun and shot himself in the face. blinding himself in the left eye. she says she felt obligated to him system. i was suddenly taken care of a man with a hole in its head, she said. joining us now is nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly who was in the courtroom today. ryan, take us through what it was like. this is the strangest sentencing hearing i have ever read about. >> yeah, it was very bizarre because usually you have defendants come up and try to make an allocation, try to reduce their sentence. give something for the judge to grab onto

and further improve the lives of all rhode islanders. i know he will continue to be a fearless advocate for the people of rhode island and for the causes he believes in and the causes he believes are right. david cicilline knows why he became a member of the congress. he understands the power of this institution. its ability to transform people's lives. he didn't come like some these days to dismantle the institution, but to push the edge of that envelope which could help to make a difference for the people in this country. we will wish him, my brother, what an honor it has been for me to serve with you. and more importantly, what a pleasure it has been for me to call you my friend and my brother. and next time i'm in providence, and i hope that will be soon, we can get a drink at clemen tine's cocktail bar -- clementine's cocktail bar and plan some good trouble together. god bless you, my dear and wonderful friend. without doubt, i will miss you. thank you and i would thank mr. magaziner for recognizing me. mr. magaziner: thank you. mr.

it's stewart rhodes' fault. after january 6th, after the cops had the hell beaten out of them by american flags, he said his only regret was, we should have brought rifles. let me tell you something, about 400 rioters have already received sentences for their violent, vile acts committed on january 6th. their anti-american, treasonous acts. 200 have been incarcerated for that rioting, for the beating of cops. support the blue? not quite. not even close. for donald trump and his rioters, it was beat the hell out of the cops. yes, they were planning to overthrow american democracy. it's called seditious. law enforcement still seeking 350 criminals who committed violent acts at the capitol, and that search goes on. trust me, the rioters will be found, and they will be brought to justice, too. you know, trump and desantis praise these rioters that you're looking at. they praise theseditionists, the convicts. they send a very clear, very loud message to others. you try to overthrow the federal government while beatin

rhodes, that is not why you are here.t is not because of your beliefs, it is not because joe biden is the president right now. the judge had many things to say. some of the other things he said is that he believes that rhodes is making clear today in court when he spoke to the judge, expressing no remorse, that violence could be something that achieved his goals and that he continued to be a threat to democracy. the judge clearly took that to heart and was saying that we cannot have that, we cannot have citizens believe that violence is the way to get things done in a democracy. and the judge also expressed some concern of whether there would be another january 6th, that any elections in the future, there will be fear around them because of what happened on january 6th. but 18 years is quite a significant sentence, by far the longest that any january 6th riot defendant has received for federal crimes on that day. and by my calculation, it puts stewart rhodes in jail somewhere near or after 2040, which is five presidential

stewart rhodes is the leader of the far right oath keepers organization. the oath keepers is in antigovernment extremist organization founded in 2009. they had this idea they are protecting the united states from the federal government. so they have always been willing and ready to defy the federal government, and they have heavily recruited from military -- former military leaders and police officers. they have had as many as 40,000 people on their membership rolls, though likely they have only had a few thousand people as members at a time. i will say they have always been very conspiratorial in tone. leaders of the oath keepers, like stewart rhodes, suggested the federal government has been taken over by global elites and that they want to put americans in concentration camps. this is acres -- this is a very inspiratory, far right, extremist antigovernment organization. amy: this is the most severe and longest penalty of over 1000 criminal cases stemming from the capitol attack? >> yes. this is the most -- this is the longest sentence. before that, it w

steward rhodes as i say, the founder of this group in 2009.terms of what actually happened in the lead up and around january 6, the group had stashed weapons in a nearby virginia hotel. and steward rhodes did not personally enter the capitol building, but he is said by prosecutors to have acted like a battlefield general. that is what was said during the trial. as you were saying carl, this is a high-profile case. for those who want to see strong convictions following what happened on january 6, as trump supporters attempted to block the certification of joe biden's win, they will welcome this day. it is worth saying prosecutors had sought a longer sentence, 18 years is what landed on steward rhodes. >> what is donald trump's relationship with the oath keepers? how could this case relate to what we will be seeing in the 2024 campaign coming up. >> yeah, so i think it would be possible to look at these cases and there are many cases because hundreds of people were arrested in the wake of january. look at these as judicial manners of the past bu

rhodes was not physically present at the capitol during the january 6th attack, but judge amit mehtad he conspired with others to make it happen and to take up arms and foment revolution. a former army paratrooper who graduated from yale law school, rhodes wore an orange prison jumpsuit during the dramatic court hearing. he showed no remorse, defiantly telling the judge that he considered himself a political prisoner judge mehta responding to rhodes, "you, sir, present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country, to the republic, and the very fabric of our democracy. rhodes' lawyers promised an appeal >> well, i think that this case was all about the weaponization of speech by the department of justice. and i think that essentially, they have used stewart rhodes' words against him. >> reporter: prosecutors say rhodes spent weeks after the election plotting to use violence to keep president trump in power the judge applied a so-called terrorism enhancement to rhodes' sentence, the first time that has happened in a january 6th case >> it's a very significant sentence, and it sends a

but by all accounts, rhodes was the guy in charge.f you're a regular viewer of this program you probably recognize roads by now, a guy who wears an eye patch because he accidentally shot himself in the face with his own gun. the 57 year old will likely spend most of the remainder of his life in prison. today judge amit mehta justified the harsh sentence due to the severity of rhodes's crimes. >> you sir present an unfounded threat and power to the country into the fabric of this democracy. and, quote, for decades, mr. rhodes, it is clear you have wanted the democracy of the country to evolve into violence. in fact, even after january 6th, rhodes was still calling on militias to, quote, defend yourselves against an illegitimate biden administration. >> we have to prepare to walk the path of the founding fathers. we still defend the constitution, but they're the ones who are the usurpers in the violators and declare that. and then get strong in your communities. raising local militias in your towns and counties, like the founders did. y

rhodes. that is not why you are here, it is not because of your beliefs. the reality is you sit here today and as we heard you speak, the moment you are released you are prepared to take up arms against our government. he added, i never would have said this to anyone i sentenced. you pose an ongoing threat and peril to our democracy in the fabric of this country. i dare say we all know hold our collective breaths when an election is approaching. will we have another january 6th again? that remains to be seen. joining us now the former d.c. chief of homeland security and intelligence. thank you so much for being here. how significant is stewart rhodes' 18-year sentence? will that be a meaningful deterrent? >> well, it's significant and it's a victory for the justice department, clearly. they've done a great job in convicting not just the foot soldiers of january 6th but the captains. and stewart rhodes, enrique tario, the leader of the proud boys are two important pieces of that. in term of deterring future extremism, i don't think we're seeing that specifi

now they look at 18 years for rhodes and go maybe i will cooperate and start talking. so i think you're going to see some cooperation deals. you'll start seeing some plea deals for some of these folks. that's the hope here, anyway. >> we'll find out who has the highest iq among these people on the loser end of the spectrum when one of them starts talking. that's the smart one. frank figliuzzi, thank you very much. >>> still ahead, marking three years since the murder of george floyd and the advocacy and activism he inspired. as president biden reminded us today, there's still a lot of work to be done. we'll be right back. with scotts turf builder triple action! gets three jobs done at once - kills weeds. prevents crabgrass. and keeps it growing strong. get a bag of scotts triple action today, it's guaranteed. feed your lawn. feed it. detect this: living with hiv, i learned i can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is for some adults who are starting hiv-1 treatment or replacing their current hiv-1 regimen. detect this: no oth

that was stewart rhodes, the leader of the oath keepers.any january 6th case to date. today's sentencing hearing was an extraordinary moment revealing where we are as a country in the midst for accountability and one that's grappling with the threat to our democracy that was most visible on january 6th but has not gone away in the years since the attack. attorneys for stewart rhodes tried to down play the role in the actual insurrection describing them as a rag tag group of people who only took action on january 6th because the ex-president donald trump circled the date when he posted that now infamous december 19th tweet that read, quote, be there, we'll will be wild. prosecutors countered those claims laying out how rhodes led the conspiracy and rattle call liezed people with lies about the 2020 lx. doj pointed out that rhodes has been under repenitent about his role in trying to overturn the election. they revealed that just a few days ago, rhodes spoke via phone at a nightly protest at a d.c. jail housing january 6th defendants and call

the fact of the matter is, stewart rhodes, we saw stewart rhodes, the oath keepers in the proud boys, scheming openly online to overthrow the election process. so to go into a courtroom and use this kind of, we just got caterpillar, boebert was not an organized event, was nonsense. the evidence speaks for. south merland holden's team, we pray to that stuff out, we shared, it we saw it, live in time, and so you can't go into the court now using that defense. stewart rhodes didn't do, it didn't work for him, he tried to do, it it didn't work for him, and it won't work subsequently for other defendants. >> donell harvin, thank you for joining us tonight. one more story tonight. clock is ticking on negotiations to raise the debt ceiling, with the u.s. set to run out of cash. but there are reportedly signs of movement tonight. we are on that, just ahead. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪ bye, uncle limu. ♪ stay off the freeways

rhodes' words against him. >> he never went into the capitol.never assaulted anyone. he never destroyed any property. we think that ultimately this is going to be about free speech. >> and yasmin, the judge also applied a terrorism enhancement to rhodes' sentence. that's the first time that's happened in a january 6th case. that means the judge found his crimes were calculated to influence the conduct of the government by intimidation or coercion. and proud boys leader enrique tarrio scheduled to be sentenced august 30th, yasmin. >> we thank you. i want to bring in now if i can former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquade to talk more about this. as always, it's great to talk to you. let's pick up when ken just left off, right? the message the judge here is sending, 18 years and this terrorism enhancement as well, what is your take on it? >> the sentence is so important, yasmin, and, in fact, if anything, i think it's a little low. 18 years is certainly a substantial amount of time. he was facing up to 25, but the crime here is

and rhodes is different than any of the rest. rhodes is not only the leader. he is the reason that the oath keepers were in washington, d.c. on january 6th. that was what the judge found today. and he also believes that stewart rhodes poses an ongoing threat to democracy. rhodes made no attempt to try and dissuade the judge of believing that. and the judge certainly did say that explicitly after stewart rhodes expressed no remorse in court today and continued to be very far right in what he said to the judge and not saying that he believed that he had done anything wrong at all. now, the other thing, with kelly meggs, that was the second defendant sentenced today, kelly meggs was much more remorseful. and judge mehta looked at him and reminded him how serious of an offense this is, seditious conspiracy. and then spoke about how he found it so astonishing that american citizens who had been upstanding average americans before january 6th then became criminals. and i want to read for you one of the last things that judge mehta said after this marathon day of sen

so stewart rhodes was wearing what would you expect. an orange jump suit and making these political comments in an orange jump suit. probably not the image he would want to portray to the world but he wanted to use this message through. under federal sentencing guidelines, you have to do at least 80% of the time so this will be a significant sentence and will take him out for at least the next several presidential elections unless he is pardoned by potentially a future president donald trump. >> so defiant to the end, even in his orange jump suit. you went to law school with him. you graduated from law school with him. what do you make of his behavior in court today and just the sentence in general? >> stewart has always been very smart. i'm not just saying that because we share a law degree. there's a certain amount of calculatingness about his conduct as well as his conduct at the time. his lawyers made a lot out of the fact that he never entered the building. did he that purposefully. he was trying to mitigate any criminal charges th

rhodes defended the vote for africans. so rhodes was it was a moral mixture. and yes, he was involved in fighting in what became rudisha is now zambia in the 1890s and that involved killing lots of africans. but was he genocidal? no. and the fact that the people he was involved in fighting the in the belly of 2000 of them stood in the hills when his coffin was being taken to its burial place and acclaimed him as father. and then the and the bele chieftains agreed to look after his grave to take care of it for decades. so it's it's unlikely he would have been genocidal if the people he was accused of of of massacring had behaved that way. now, nigel biggar, in your career as a professor, as an author, as an anglican priest, have you experienced this type of backlash before to your work? no, never. i mean, i've the older i've got eric, i've discovered i'm more conservative than many of my my peers. and so my views on the ethics of war were not popular among all of my my academic colleagues in christian ethics. um, but this, this experience and two, those 17 in p

the judge said he believed rhodes was an ongoing threat to american democracy.eggs, the deputy in the oath keepers unit, that was a different situation today. he expressed remorse before the judge and the judge remarked that it was astonishing to him how average americans somehow transformed into criminals in the weeks before and on january 6th. now after the sentences were handed down today by the judge, stewart rhodes's attorneys left the courthouse and spoke about the first amendment and said they were ready to appeal. here's a little bit more about what they said. >> as i was listening to judge metta speak and then take that extra step and say that at no point during his career in sentencing has he ever had the opportunity to look at any defendant and say, i consider you a future danger to the future of the country, and when i heard that, not only did i feel disheartened, i expected much higher than an 18 year sentence. >> we think we have a good appeal coming on this. we look forward to the appeal. >> reporter: but, wolf, the last word today should really g

and rhodes is different than any of the rest. rhodes is not only the leader.

stewart rhodes learns his fate. a federal judge labeling january 6 domestic terrorism for first time today. it came during the sentencing of rhodes, the founder of the oath keepers. in the longest sentence related to the capitol riot, rhodes has been ordered to spend 18 years in a federal prison. that's nearly as long as he was married to my next guest, tasha williams -- tasha adams. excuse me. thank you for joining us. tasha, you have known stewart rhodes for a long time. you know deeply this organization, the oath keepers. knowing that for the next 18 years, you and your six children can live your lives with stewart rhodes behind bars, how do you feel about that? >> i'm very happy about it. it's been a great week for us as a family. we are happy to feel safe. we are happy he is in a place where he can't hurt us, he can't hurt anybody else. of course, there's that dark cloud looming of a pardon. >> yeah. >> depending on who gets in office next or even beyond that, the next election. there's some reason for concern.

who stewart rhodes really is? >> i'm not sure anything i would say would make any difference, because i think they fully understand what he is and what he tried to do, and they fully support it. he is a person who plotted or for over a decade. all he ever thought about was creating chaos, creating violence. violence in the home, violence in the country, anything that could put himself on top, and any way he could make that happen. and i think trump fully understands, desantis fully understands, they know what stewart is about and they agree with him. >> are you worried at all that if roads were pardoned, that there would be risk of another potential january 6th? >> oh, absolutely. this is stewart's life's work. this is what he does. he is incredibly brilliance. and completely manipulative, he is good at what he does, and he will just regroup immediately. i guarantee you, he already has plans in the works for us soon as he's out. he will regroup, and he will do this again. and he will do this again until he creates

he said to stuart rhodes, "you are smart, charismatic and compelling. and for decades," he said, "it's clear you've wanted the democracy of this country to devolve into violence. now, this case, ithink, being seen as very significant — a high—profile case and, as i've mentioned, as well, the longest sentence handed down so far linked to january 6th — where, of course, trump supporters stormed the capitol building in order to try and block the certification ofjoe biden�*s presidential election win. now, donald trump recently said in an interview with cnn that if he were to become president again — and, of course, at the moment he's the front—runner in the republican nomination race — he would likely pardon a large portion of those convicted. so these aren'tjustjudicial matters of the past, but current political ones, as well. the metaverse is an immersive virtual reality world where people can interact without ever coming into physical contact. but now a school in southern england is hoping to make meta matter — tim allman explains. # bright is the sunri

but what's really interesting are two aspects of what rhodes said.has education, yale, he's always wanted to present himself as like the non-racist right winger. that's very important to him. he has described the proud boys as the racist ones, and the oath keepers are somehow not right-wing, sort of nazi extremists, they're just right wingers. so he's always wanted the separation, just given his own sense of himself. he doesn't like who the proud boys are, he says tay don't do enough vetting of their membership. i the more important thing is in terms of the future. the judge said this is an ongoing threat. these organizations recruit, they get money, they organize around a notion that there is an overall movement. but the proud boys and oath keeps are at each other before, but so publicly when rods is getting sentenced, it's a good division, it's a good moment. you want the opposition to be divided. they will go against each other. it's a good day overall. >> the judge noted the unpre unprecedented threat that rhodes and the oath keepers present. we

what is rhodes and his team going to try next?nk the appeal is what they'll try next. for rhodes this was about trying to make himself out to be a martyr. he has not really shut up, i think as his lawyers would have wanted him to ahead of trial. typically when you see defendants, they'll go quiet before a sentencing hearing, especially, and not make more statements that could be used against them. he's been pretty vocal throughout and since his arrest. he called a number of supporters of january 6th defendants who were gathered outside the jail here and talked about regime change. that was brought up in court by prosecutors just a few days later. what he said what he meant by regime change is that he hopes donald trump gets elected in 2024. they're trying to push this out as far as they can in hopes that donald trump comes back into office and he will pardon them as he said he would do for many if not all of the january 6th defendants. he was hugging january 6th offenders at rallies and putting promoting their causes and help rais

where rhodes predicted violence. >> we have men already stationed outside d.c.uclear option in case they attempt to remove the president illegally, we will stop it. >> and the use images of guns stored in the local hotel outside of washington, d.c., are part of the oath keepers so-called quick reaction force. the proof the group was there to wage war and keep former president trump in office. the oath keepers and their proud boys prosecutors say played a pivotal role in sparking the violence and other writers. >> david, that sentence means a long time behind bars for the leader of the oath keepers. up next to seditiousonspac seeneader ofai s tign leak lengthy sentence of jail for him too. >> david: pierre thomas leading us off from washington. thank you. we will turn to the debt ceiling showdown pushing the u.s. closer to the brink of default, one week left, house lawmakers breaking for the memorial day weekend with no deal. and so rachel scott today asking that house speaker about americans who count on benefits including veterans whether they should be making

go back to the sentencing of stewart rhodes.editious conspiracy defendant convicted by a jury who during his request for leniency or statement to the judge in sentencing said there are forces in the radical left who target maga and trump supporters and there is an antifa threat and they have given rise to january 6. we will never know if that statement made it less or more likely he got the 18 year prison sentence, but we know that what hermon just said is something we have heard other january 6 defendant say. you also have to use a somewhat practical legal lens to look at what is happening with these prosecutions. the batting average for the department of justice, trial by jury is 1000. they have secured partial or full convictions against every single defendant to go to trial, including those articulated some of what hermon just said. host: are those criminal charges? herman talk about some of them are misdemeanor. guest: they are in some cases just misdemeanor. they are another case is a combination of misdemeanors and feloni

. >>> stewart rhodes was sentenced to 18 years in federal prison on thursday. >> have a good day. next. >> memorial day weekend is just the start of what will be a busy summer travel season that we're expecting. >>> live from london, this is "cnn newsroom" with max foster and bianca nobilo. >> it is friday, may 26, 9:00 a.m. in london, 4:00 a.m. in washington where they are moving closer to a day to pay the government's bill. it would reportedly raise the debt ceiling but cap spending levels for two years. >> and manu raju reports that nothing is final until it is final. >> reporter: negotiations between the speaker and his top allies and the white house still ongoing, still unresolved, even as the u.s. is considering prospects of the first ever debt default as soon as next week and amid warnings that the u.s. credit rating could be downgraded if the national down limit which now stands at $31.4 trillion is not raised. the dispute still over federal spending and how far to go. republicans have demanded that as part of the negotiations and also pushed for a range of policy measures

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how much time could rhodes have to serve?er: well, federal prosecutors would like him to serve 25 years behind bars, which they say is on par with some of the sentences that have come out previously for seditious conspiracy. but remember, seditious conspiracy is a very rarely used charge, so there's not that many cases they can really point back to. they point back to the first bombing of the world trade center in the early 1990s when there was a conviction there. there was a few other cases they pointed to in their legal briefings here. right now inside the courtroom, federal prosecutors are essentially laying out their cases, going through all the organizational steps that stewart rhodes took ahead of january 6th, especially pointing to a lot of the rhetoric that he espoused online, talking about the need to stop biden from taking power and saying that the suggestion that the defense has come up with that a lot of this planning was about interfering with biden after he took office isn't really an excuse. they appointed to t

and given his stern rebuke to rhodes saying you're still a danger. a lot of times with violent criminals part of the point of a long sentence is having them age out so they're less violent when they get out. but with rhodes he's really a leader. it's not he's personally violent. he's inspiring and talking as such and that's the danger. i think the judge appropriately is recognizing the distinction between that kind of a leader, mastermind and these things versus the people who were still more the foot soldiers in varying degrees. >> it's clear, though, the judge points out watkins was not just a foot soldier. she was definitely the leader of this ohio group of oath keepers and she was using encrypted communications, giving instructions how to get rid of evidence. again, very proud of what she was doing that day. perhaps now she realizes what she did. >> and shan, you mention a part of the judge's intent to is keep these folks behind bars for long enough so they're not threats when they come out. part it has to do with deterrence, right? >> absolutely

>>> happening right now, sentencing is under way for oathkeeper's founder stewart rhodes for his part in the capitol riots, and we will find out the time he is going to get for seditious conspiracy. >> and ron desantis has a huge gap to close against donald trump and we hear about the plan he has to try to close it. >>> and a man is able to walk for the first time in decades, and we have the latest of what is helping him to do it. this is noouz. this is cnn "news central." >>> negotiators are working 24/7 to get a deal on the debt limit as the treasury department is warning that the u.s. could default one week from today. this is what house speaker kevin mccarthy said in the last hour. >> every hour matters, and this is why the white house is meeting on this, and why last night, the team they have is very professional and very bright. they know where the differences are, and how to work on this. >> as the talks are playing out, the house will recess today and head home for the weekend, but mccarthy is saying that he shgoing to call the lawmakers back if if a deal is made. there are nu

no, it's stewart rhodes' fault.e hell beaten out of them by american flags, he said his only regret was, we should have brought rifles. let me tell you something, about 400 rioters have already received sentences for their crimes, for their violent, vile acts committed on january 6th. their anti-american, treasonous acts. 200 have been incarcerated for that rioting, for the beating of cops. support the blue? not quite. not even close. for donald trump and his rioters, it was beat the hell out of the cops. yes, they were planning to overthrow american democracy. it's called sedition. law enforcement still seeking 350 criminals who committed violent acts at the capitol, and that search goes on. trust me, the rioters will be found, and they will be brought to justice, too. you know, trump and desantis praise these rioters that you're looking at. they praise the seditionists, the convicts. they send a very clear, very loud message to others. you try to overthrow the federal government while beating the hell out of cops

the judge, calling rhodes an ongoing threat to this country and its democracy. >> rhodes is not goinguiet. rhodes has an opinion. ♪ ♪ >> debt ceiling negotiations remain at a standstill, just one week from a possible default. >> america should always pay our bills. ♪ ♪ >> norah: a botched announcement. the twitter meltdown during ron desantis' much-anticipated run for pres