. >> joining our conversation is the president of the council on foreign relations richard haas, he'sauthor of the newly revised the world, a brief introduction. richard, grateful for your time on this important day, a former colleague of yours at the state department aaron david miller said this of what he saw from the president yesterday, a wash, rinse, repeat statement, heavily tilted toward egypt, and at least a mention of the p.a., the palestinian authority, no heavy public lift on the issue -- do you agree with that and have we learned anything about the young joe biden presidency and his view of the world? >> priority is still domestic, not looking for heavy foreign policy entanglements. i think there's no strong case to get seriously involved in the israeli-palestinian issue because, john, the pieces are not present, not even close to being present that any diplomat, no matter how talented, could realize progress. and i think this piece -- this cease-fire largely came about, and i don't mean this to be critical, less because of what the united states said or did, but really be

so richard haas is just wrong about mahmoud abbas. it is the situation on the ground.ple in the night and states don't actually follow events in the west bank and gaza and they are almost never on the news, unless there is a big blowup like this. but if you read palestinian -israeli newspapers about what has been going on in every little town and village in the west bank, you see brutalization, colonization, militant squatter/settlers from israel and palestinian land that they stole from palestinian families, burning down their olive trees, cutting them down, invading their property, building on it, taking over their homes. and this is a daily staccato performance of occupation. and in gaza, the israelis bombed the airport 20 years ago. and gaza depends heavily on fish for protein, they are not allowed to fish beyond three to six miles, by the israeli navy. the israelis carefully monitor what serial, including building material, goes into the gaza strip. so these people are living in hell. it is a tinder that can explode at any time, so looking at a particular trigger

we have richard haas with us, michelle. and he has a question. richard?efore in terms of social media. do you think there has to be more policing of anti-semitism? jonathan was speaking about all of the hashtags, "hitler was right," and so forth. how does one handle that? and how have jews been the target of a double standard. language that would never be with other persecuted groups has stopped, but language that traffics in anti-semitism is being tolerated? >> well, i would say one thing about social media is that actually an enormous range of bigotry is tolerate, you know, on twitter, on facebook. this has been an ongoing problem. and in some ways, it ties back to what mara was talking about earlier with this new law in florida. that free speech doesn't mean you have the right to say whatever you want on a private platform. and the owners of these platforms have been extremely reluctant and really remiss to really exercise any responsibility. they don't want to be seen as publishers. and yet they are publishers. you know, their decisions about algorith

so ma'am, i mean richard. haas is just wrong to one of us is the situation on the ground. the people in the united states don't, don't actually follow events in the west bank and gaza and they're almost never on the news unless there's some big blow up like this. but if you read the palestinian israeli newspapers about what's been going on in every little town in and dillard's in the west bank, then you see brutalization, you can see colonization. you see these militant squatters settlers from israel on palestinian land that they stole from palestinian families of burning down there. all of trees. cutting them down in dating their property, a building on it, taking over their homes. and this is a daily staccato performance of occupation. and in garza, the israelis bomb the airport 20 years ago. and there's no harbor the guys depends heavily on protein for fish, for protein. they're not allowed to fish beyond 3 to 6 miles by the israeli navy. the israelis carefully monitor what material and when building material goes into the gaza strip. oh, so these people are, are living

richard haas, let's go back to the israeli/palestinian conflict.thoughts right now about where we are as this tragedy goes into its second week? >> look, we're in a place where you've got the continuing mounting violence between israel and hamas and history suggests that it will never be decisive. so it's a question of when it ends, that's all. but, joe, what's so interesting about what's happened the last few days and weeks are all the other fault lines that have been exposed. and if i were an israeli, in the long run, i would be worried less about hamas than i would about the growing intercommunal violence between israeli jewss and the 2 million israeli arabs. and wow still have all the palestinian questions and the issues of jerusalem. this has exposed all the multiple sources of instability and threats to israel. so those who thought the abraham accords, quote/unquote solved the problem, they were kidding themselves and ignored the palestinian issue and it ignored the growing tensions within israel itself. so this is a really alarming moment. c

. >> and richard haas, in london we saw foreign policy in action as the current secretary of state hadrst time. a very different approach. what is your take so far as to how they're dealing with russia, china, iran, afghanistan, they have all these problems and most notably, increasingly aggressive, china. >> a lot of questions packed this there. in terms of the interest of human rights, i don't think we have a lot to show for the new policy. we can talk about it, we can criticize, we can sanction. that doesn't translate into it. all the other countries we have to promote. for example, with the russians. finding the nuclear arms agreement with. china thinking about north korea or iran. i don't think this administration has succeeded or is wise to even try to put human rights in. particularly around the ability to preach, shall we say, is quite limited, given events in this country over the recent months and years. i think the administration is off to a difficult start. with china in some ways, it's been even worse. we put diplomacy aside in our initial meetings with the chinese. i'm no

and joining us now is richard haas. you for joining us, let me get your reaction to this news that we are now just, you know, at least according to all of the reports, ap, reuters, there is a cease fire that has been reached. what is your initial reaction to the news? >> it is a question of when, not if. it would not shock me if there was breaches of it it also made sense because continuation was not serving the interests of hamas. nor the interests of the government any more. there was a certainive -- inevitability to reaching this point. >> so what happens now. because this story will not be in the headlines. it's not front and center in international i did brom si, but for the people of gaza, israel, it's not likely going to change any time soon. >> that is absolutely right, this doesn't change any fundamentals. they will still have a divided palestinian leadership, a branch in which is not willing to coexist. it is not offering much in the way of inducements or incentives to the palestinians. talking about the situa

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with us, we have the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haas. >> go ahead, mika.ur thoughts on the actual beginning here. this is months away now, what is it going to look like and what can we expect from the taliban as a response? >> good morning, mika, and happy birthday. >> thank you. >> look, i think the real question is whether the taliban had discipline. if they show some discipline and don't attack u.s. troops as u.s. troops withdraw over the next four months, they will get what they want. they will essential be in a position, poised, i believe, to take over much of the country. if they start attacking u.s. forces during this four to five month period of u.s. military withdrawal, u.s. forces will engage them to some extent. it's not clear how that helps the taliban in their long-term goal . >> so, richard, you've seen some things happening over the past couple of weeks since joe biden made this announcement. how concerned are you that things are going to devolve very quickly? we talked to dexter filkins last week, one of the best war correspondents of our t