ambassador richard holbrooke will be here. steve rattner will be here as well and tsa administrator john pistole will be here as well. not to make light of it, what are they supposed to do? i don't get it. what are they supposed to do? >> people are inconvenienced, there's no doubt about it. >> of course, and insulted, except for willie. >> at the tsa they have to be on top of their game every single moment of the day. some terrorist only has to get lucky once. >> but you can put a bomb in your tooth. >> having been subject to this procedure, not in the pleasant way you just did it but at an airport last week, this will not stand. there's just no way. the choice is, a lot of radiation for someone like me who travels a lot or the pat-down. neither is acceptable. we need a solution that protects us, but is actually going to sustain -- >> everyone does a really good job of saying that. no one can tell me what the solution s. what is it? there's nothing. >> it seems like this is a country where we have one hot war raging, winding

. >> guest: richard holbrook is the master diplomat. he's the one who negotiated the dayton accords back in the clinton administration that really brought peace to the balkans. and he has said and makes the point that you don't fix this war with the military victory. everyone agrees, the taliban surge si -- insurgency in afghanistan is part of the fabric and always will be. so you need some sort of diplomatic settlement. that's how we get out of the war, i presume. >> host: then the reports this week that the taliban might be at the table for talks is one that you would have expected. >> guest: yes, i report that there were secret talks through the saudis and, you know, but this is all very preliminary. the taliban still thinks we have the momentum and edge here. >> host: why would they negotiate? >> guest: exactly. >> host: ed from boston on the republican line. good morning, you are on. >> caller: good morning, mr. woodward. >> guest: good morning. >> caller: the russians pulled out of afghanistan after nine years. if it wasn't for ch

one of the people i had the opportunity to work with, a great pleasure, ambassador richard holbrooke.nd then in the course of discussing a poll about political divisions in serbia elected me and said 367. 367. don't you know ty cobb's batting average? i guess i knew that, but not in this contest. is sports editor turned to politics. substitute one kind of statistic for another. i did. >> host: you also did work in the uk. i believe your first book, can you tell us a little bit about power and then you also wrote a book about when and. and how you went on this political journey and what you found with these early leaders. >> guest: i decided when i was young that i was obviously interested in ideas. my doctoral dissertation was on the social basis of support. for anyone who has any interest in what i've done coming to the tea party movement in america was in a lot of ways a return intellectually to the same kind of questions i faced in the uk. that was a social and economic issues. this is purely if not exclusively economic. and so i wrote the about free-market economics in britain in

. >> in one of the dark days of this long process, my wife who works for richard holbrook and was in pakistan or afghanistan or some place, was in despair, she couldn't reach me on the phone and she was really upset about this and i sent her an e-mail and i said i have the best wife in the world. i have four wonderful children, everybody is healthy. we're financially secure and nothing else matters. and that's how i think about this. at the end of the day, i have the four things that most matter to me and whatever else happens in my career, will happen. i'm proud of the work i've done over 35 years in the business. i hope to do more, particular me in the non-profit areas but i have the things that most matter to me. >> charlie: and you continue with your employment with mayor bloomberg. >> i continue to do what i've done for mayor bloomberg. >> charlie: thank you for coming. >> thanks for having me. >> charlie: steve rattner. the attorney general soon me governor will come here or someone else. this is an interesting story about politics and ambition, it's a story about technology th

. >> rose: not the ambassador, not richard holbrook, not him, not him, not him. >> rose: you? >> you. >> rose:. >> and you can see how he is the master of tactician. >> rose: on the face that may make it sound like mcchrystal and the others are dupes. >> of course not. >> rose: it is sophisticated on the part of mcchrystal or anybody else to be able to -- why do you deal with karzai? answer. he is the president. >> she the president. of course he is the president of a sovereign country and you have to have relationships with him, of course, and, you know, demands on, you know, whether it is general ms. mcchrystal or petraeus are kind of impossible to imagine. >> rose: but is it different because petraeus is there rather than mcchrystal or is it a -- has petraeus with all of his enormous talent, the fact that, you know, the president desperately needed him and has had to in a sense say if you do this i will give you this? >> yeah. well, i think -- my understanding is the relationship is much more intense, tense, it is more difficult between general petraeus and president karzai

one of the people i had the opportunity to work with and was a great pleasure was ambassador richard holbrooke, and in the course of discussing the poll about the political divisions in serbia, if you look at me and said 367, just stopped. i said 367? he said don't you know the date lifetime batting average and i said well i guess i knew that but not in this context. he said like you, i was a frustrated sports editor who turned to politics because you substitute one kind of statistic for another. i did. >> host: you also did some work in the u.k. and i believe your first book was about [inaudible] can you tell us a little bit about powell and then you also wrote a book about lenihan? and how you wind of this political journey and when you found with these early leaders. >> guest: i decided when i was young i was interested in ideas, so my dissertation was on the basis of support of powell and the british electorate and for anyone who has any interest in what i have done coming to the tea party movement in america was a lot of ways the return intellectually to the same kind of questions i faced

negotiate with the taliban and i think we have to put it to him straight, sending special envoy richard holbrooke in to give him the message in undiluted form this is not the time to show weakness to the taliban. this is the time to back general petraeus and our forces and deal them as much of a blow militarily as we possibly can. >> eric: general petraeus says there is, quote, substantial progress, and we'll see how it goes the next year, am bar, always good to see you, and, i see you're not in washington, down in palm beach on this sunday. >> it is tough duty! >> eric: all right. thank you. >> jamie: another "fox news alert." a conclusion to a story we have followed here at fox. a british couple held by somali pirates for more than a year are free. check out these pictures of them getting off the plane. paul and rachel chandler, appear to be in good health. the pirates releasing them today after they received a ransom of about a million dollars, most of it raised by private donation. more than a year they were held and the chandlers' freedom was negotiated by a somali who had been working on it

president obama's national security team, secretary clinton, vice president biden, officials like richard holbrookeall supported president bush's decision on iraq, they all believed there was wmd there. the intelligence community believed it. the military believed it. senior members of congress on the gnintelligence committees believed it. the system failed. maybe president bush should have apologized on behalf of the system because he was at the head of the system when that happened. also don't forget what was happening at the time, the context. people were not arguing the system failed, people weren't arguing george bush made a mistake, they were arguing that he lied, the conventional wisdom accusation was that he lied america into a war. >> i think it's very hard to apologize if you've led tens of thousands of people into war and to their deaths, it must be very difficult to whatever, made that mistake and misled people. >>> let me get to the sound bite. you guys can fight this out, you're far more qualified than i am. among the bigger revelations, bush responded to the criticism of not finding

special representative to afghanistan, richard c. holbrook, who is here in pakistan today., and he wasted no time in indicating just how short-sighted he thought president karzai was with his comments. >> some of the things he objected to are things which are being done at this time necessarily to support his government. and i think that that has to be understood. >> reporter: now, the obama administration has let it be known that 2014 is now the new deadline for the transition of the military operation, the military mission in terms of afghan security to the afghan forces themselves. we will hear more about that at a nato summit in lisbon later this week, but the ambassador also let it slip that the u.s. will issue a so-called vision 2015 statement in what we will understand more about the role of combat soldiers in the afghanistan after then. now, beyond that -- and this is an important development -- early next year there will be then what he described as a strategic partnership declaration with afghanistan. he didn't expand on when that was, but it could be a precursor