hutchinson ran into. that the tea party has chosen their person. and ricking very hard on promoting this anti-abortion bill and fighting gay rights and all of those base issues that excite the tea party. and he is hoping to get them back in his tent. but ted cruz is more articulate. he is a guy had a has more charisma. and he also, unfortunately, seems to be even crazier than rick perry. >> well, yeah, i'll going to let you have that come. there is one issue on which rick perry has seemed to be somewhat like george w. bush and somewhat similarly, given the republican party, where they are. somewhat moderate for them. that is on immigration. he ran into some trouble on the immigration issue about allowing young people to go to college, et cetera, and get instate tuition. is he still there or do you think he will run away from it the way marco rannio has? >> i think he is trying to avoid it. remember thatle of the people had a supported rick perry, their business has relied oun documented workers. the biggest builder in the state of texas who is the biggest d