you have people who will back liz truss to vote against rishi sunak and he will vote against rishi sunakunak against liz truss. there has been a real campaign to elevate _ there has been a real campaign to elevate those two as the centrist figure _ elevate those two as the centrist figure and — elevate those two as the centrist figure and right—wing figure in the final two— figure and right—wing figure in the final two because it seems like that is what _ final two because it seems like that is what will— final two because it seems like that is what will happen, you will have a candidate _ is what will happen, you will have a candidate from either side of the party _ candidate from either side of the party it— candidate from either side of the party. it is— candidate from either side of the party. it is described as a battle for the — party. it is described as a battle for the soul of the conservatives. i do think— for the soul of the conservatives. i do think penny mordaunt is one of these figures, you cannot rule her out and _ these figures, you cannot rule her out and i— these figures

rishi sunak. times says mr sunak has vowed to cut taxes, but only once inflation has fallen. the paper also says support for liz truss is growing among the backbench tory mps. the mirror pictures sir mo farah as he reveals the remarkable story of how he was trafficked to the uk as a child, and his real name, in a new bbc documentary. the daily telegraph says the uk is braced for a "heat health emergency". and the same story in the daily star, which says the uk will be as hot as death valley in california. so, let's begin. david, let's start with you this hour. tory state fast—track to replace pm and this is because we now know the process to elect a new conservative leader and a new prime minister in place by the 5th of september. talk us through it. i fast—track process clearly geared to replace borisjohnson as quickly as possible and i'm not sure if mr johnson will be very happy with that but there it is. and most conservative mps i'm sure will want to know who the leader is going to be as soon

that is rishi sunak. let's go to the _ treasury? interesting. that is rishi sunak.asury? interesting. that is rishi sunak. let's go to the front page l treasury? interesting. that is rishi| sunak. let's go to the front page of the sunday times, and look at what rishi sunak�*s opponent in the race is proposing. truss promises and 0xbridge interview for every a star pupil. what is this idea? liz oxbridge interview for every a star pupil. what is this idea?— pupil. what is this idea? liz truss has been speaking _ pupil. what is this idea? liz truss has been speaking to _ pupil. what is this idea? liz truss has been speaking to the - pupil. what is this idea? liz truss has been speaking to the formerl has been speaking to the former prime minister, this is her pitch on education, education, education, and she is pulling a bit on her own background. she is not shy on telling anyone she went to school in paisley, just in case anyone missed that so far! but she is making quite a valuable point, in particular, she says women and people from less well off background are less

— to see as his successor is rishi sunak it — to see as his successor is rishi sunak. ly bad over this preparation for a joint speech on the economy where they could not agree _ the economy where they could not agree on— the economy where they could not agree on an approach at all. that is before _ agree on an approach at all. that is before you — agree on an approach at all. that is before you get to the personality clashes _ before you get to the personality clashes or— before you get to the personality clashes or rishi sunak's to state for how— clashes or rishi sunak's to state for how borisjohnson clashes or rishi sunak's to state for how boris johnson conducted himself— for how boris johnson conducted himself -- — for how boris johnson conducted himself —— diss taste. and _ himself —— diss taste. and in— himself —— diss taste. and in the observer, eyebrow raising appointments of tory backbenchers to junior— appointments of tory backbenchers to junior ministerial roles. rishi sunak— junior ministerial roles. rishi sunak appearing to imply that is something that coul

, and a dil candidates, and rishi sunak, and a did about _ candidates, and rishi sunak, and a digg about the treasury there. but i think the idea that he might be back, _ think the idea that he might be back, i— think the idea that he might be back, i do think that is totally for the birds — back, i do think that is totally for the birds. you know, his popularity, his personal— the birds. you know, his popularity, his personal popularity has taken such a _ his personal popularity has taken such a hit— his personal popularity has taken such a hit over the last six months. his personal— such a hit over the last six months. his personal brand has performed much _ his personal brand has performed much worse in the polls than the conservative party, and there is a very good — conservative party, and there is a very good reason for that. it is scandais — very good reason for that. it is scandals like party gates, questions about— scandals like party gates, questions about his _ scandals like party gates, questions about his probity, his integrity, just. _ about his probity, his integrit

a pledge by rishi sunak. rishi sunak ledaes a pledge by rishi sunak.rishi sunak. rishi sunak pledges income tax cuts _ a pledge by rishi sunak. rishi sunak pledges income tax cuts and - a pledge by rishi sunak. rishi sunak pledges income tax cuts and it's - pledges income tax cuts and it's pretty clear to everyone what's going on here. if rishi sunak has been trailing in the membership rolls against liz truss, these are the two candidates competing to be elected as leader of the conservative party and this can vote on that. given the parliamentary majority in the conservative party holds that in the winter will be prime minister and i say rishi sunak has been trailing, it's in the looks that way i think his team would you have argued, briefings in the newspapers, but they have internal polling that makes them look more optimistic but people may change the minds and that liz truss's support was soft and people could be convinced. but fundamentally, rishi sunak has pushed himself to this campaign is a person was realistic about the countries finance and

let's start with the sunday telegraph and this pledge from rishi sunak to cap the number of refugees.t and sunak to cap the number of refugees. mistand sunak sunak to cap the number of refugees. mist and sunak clearly trying to woo those on the right of the party. == those on the right of the party. -- mr those on the right of the party. » mr sunak. we know she is popular with that part of the party and this is rishi sunak�*s page to them, you have this cap on refugee numbers he is promising, that will be set by parliament which will be quite a wild ride, to be honest. a ten point plan to control our borders, including withholding aid monies from countries that won't take failed applicants back. cruise ships holding refugees. he is saying that we have failed to take back control of our borders, which of course was promised in that whole brexit debate, so, yes, this is really rishi sunak making the page to that side of the party and try to drum up support that which is where he has been lacking so far. find support that which is where he has been lacking so far.— been lacking so far. an

this is rishi sunak's leadership — rachel? this is rishi sunak's leadership pitch _ rachel? this is rishi sunak's leadership pitch to the - rachel? this is rishi sunak's - leadership pitch to the conservative campaign and he is trying to take this very cautious view and always seem so far policy wise from the candidates on who's going to cut taxes and is going to cut them the fastest and rishi sunak is standing alone in this, he stands alone at the moment and sing that actually, this is what we should do. he has stepped down as chancellor, he has held the purse strings for a while and things are slowing down and he uses the quote that the country needs to earn the money before he can spend it and i think that's going to be a big focus of his campaign and its responsible way to handle the cost of living crisis rather than just this reactionary cut taxes and he is liking this to thatcher, but some parts of the tory party, whether that fits well with the wider public. i questioned up it is an invention, that's not an electorate that they're talking to the moment and they're tal

but the problem is for rishi sunak, probably, peoplejust wont— rishi sunak, probably, peoplejust won'ts seen as— won't quite believe him because he is seen as kind of having the fibre, realty. _ is seen as kind of having the fibre, realty. he — is seen as kind of having the fibre, realty. he is— is seen as kind of having the fibre, really, he is actually a brexiteer at the _ really, he is actually a brexiteer at the time of the referendum, more at the time of the referendum, more a vibe _ at the time of the referendum, more a vibe of— at the time of the referendum, more a vibe of a _ at the time of the referendum, more a vibe of a remainer and he at the time of the referendum, more a vibe ofa remainerand he is behind— a vibe ofa remainerand he is behind almost all groups of conservative members apart from remainers so they are trying to extend — remainers so they are trying to extend his appeal but will conservative members believe him when _ conservative members believe him when he _ conservative members believe him when he talks about things like that? _ when he talks about things li

the relationship like boris johnson and rishi sunak— rishi sunak.i sunak. the tension between number ten and _ rishi sunak. the tension between number ten and number - rishi sunak. the tension between i number ten and number“, you get rishi sunak. the tension between - number ten and number“, you get it number ten and number 11, you get it often... interesting with rishi sunak... inaudible. the papers will soon be full of candidates announcing, sadgerjaved candidates announcing, sadger javed will candidates announcing, sadgerjaved will put his hand up, nadhim zahawi as well... that's just off the top of my head. —— sadgerjaved. ben wallace, penny mordaunt. jeremy hunt, mustn't forget about him. it will be a list as long as your arm. right now, rishi sunak is the one to beat, but a long way to go and pretty difficult to predict who will eventually come out on top let's move forward to the ft, which has rishi sunak accused of treachery. clearly a lot of bad blood over the manner of boris's defenestration. presumably, whether encouraged by mr johnson o

rishi sunak on the other hand _ levees. rishi sunak on the other hand is— levees.himself as a bachelor, _ hand is also portraying himself as a bachelor, and saying he wants to balance — bachelor, and saying he wants to balance the books and on the cut taxes _ balance the books and on the cut taxes when inflation is under controi _ taxes when inflation is under control. obviously tray members are going _ control. obviously tray members are going to _ control. obviously tray members are going to make that decision. for me, based _ going to make that decision. for me, based on _ going to make that decision. for me, based on balance from what i'm seeing — based on balance from what i'm seeing at — based on balance from what i'm seeing at the moment, rishi sunak seems _ seeing at the moment, rishi sunak seems to— seeing at the moment, rishi sunak seems to be the sensible one who is being _ seems to be the sensible one who is being more — seems to be the sensible one who is being more pragmatic kjaer. we have now heard _ being more pragmatic kjaer. we have now heard from

. ., ., ' they are going to topple rishi sunak. ., .,i , ,, �*, sunak.et's get a reaction to this, is the _ sunak. hot off the press, let's get a reaction to this, is the news - sunak. hot off the press, let's getj a reaction to this, is the news that penny mordaunt is joining the race and has announced that she is the ninth conservative to join the running. "0ur leadership has to change, it needs to become less about the later and a lot more about the ship", says penny mordaunt. what's read out on her, she got a good chance? she what's read out on her, she got a good chance?— what's read out on her, she got a good chance? she is probably a bit of an outsider _ good chance? she is probably a bit of an outsider it _ good chance? she is probably a bit of an outsider it but _ good chance? she is probably a bit of an outsider it but the _ good chance? she is probably a bit of an outsider it but the betting . good chance? she is probably a bit of an outsider it but the betting onj of an outsider it but the betting on her is quite good. she could make some goo

as he mentioned, boris i johnson against rishi sunak, against johnson against rishi sunak, against lizbut given that we are in a leadership race, any lines like this that had to buy a policy going forward, of course they're going to make headlines and plenty of headlines. but you make of the volume of policy ideas that is coming out in the sunday papers on both sides? ,, . coming out in the sunday papers on both sides?— both sides? quite inc. incredible. and how those _ both sides? quite inc. incredible. and how those shifted _ both sides? quite inc. incredible. and how those shifted over- both sides? quite inc. incredible. and how those shifted over the i both sides? quite inc. incredible. l and how those shifted over the last few days as each candidate has got a better feel of where they are in this race. liz truss very much as the front runner at the moment, able to make this statement which is a statement of some degrees, but also announcements that feel almost like the planning for downing street. like feeling a bit more confident whereas rishi sunak is in a scramble to hit the gr

rishi sunak is _ prime minister but i think rishi sunak is the - prime minister but i think rishi sunakh i— rishi sunak is the best for the joh i have _ rishi sunak is the best for the job. i have worked _ rishi sunak is the best for the job. i have worked incredibly. job. i have worked incredibly closely— job. i have worked incredibly closely with _ job. i have worked incredibly closely with him, _ job. i have worked incredibly closely with him, especiallyl closely with him, especially during _ closely with him, especially during the _ closely with him, especially during the pandemic, i closely with him, especially during the pandemic, and l closely with him, especially. during the pandemic, and he closely with him, especially- during the pandemic, and he has what _ during the pandemic, and he has what it— during the pandemic, and he has what it takes _ during the pandemic, and he has what it takes.— what it takes. what do you make ofthe what it takes. what do you make of the fact _ what it takes. what do you make of the fact that _ what it takes. what do you make of the fact that the

didn't even call boris — few days, rishi sunak didn't even call borisjohnson then few days, rishien managed to speak— call boris johnson then managed to speak to _ call boris johnson then managed to speak to him before tweeting out his resignation letter come out a sign of the bad — resignation letter come out a sign of the bad blood between the two of them _ of the bad blood between the two of them you _ of the bad blood between the two of them. you now, ithink there of the bad blood between the two of them. you now, i think there are people _ them. you now, i think there are people who are saying borisjohnson, he leaves _ people who are saying borisjohnson, he leaves a _ people who are saying borisjohnson, he leaves a bit of a legacy of problems, we are expecting the treasury— problems, we are expecting the treasury as part of his campaign, thinks _ treasury as part of his campaign, thinks he — treasury as part of his campaign, thinks he discovers there that rishi sunak— thinks he discovers there that rishi sunak did or didn't do during his tenure — sunak did or didn't do during

rishi sunak said _ out to work, are rewarded. rishi sunak said today _ out to work, are rewarded.acklog is is a priority for him and he has a plan to do that, what is your reaction? i he has a plan to do that, what is your reaction?— he has a plan to do that, what is your reaction? i am very clear we need to tackle _ your reaction? i am very clear we need to tackle the _ your reaction? i am very clear we need to tackle the nhs _ your reaction? i am very clear we need to tackle the nhs backlog l your reaction? i am very clear we i need to tackle the nhs backlog and your reaction? i am very clear we - need to tackle the nhs backlog and i would put in place a strong health secretary that would get that done, but in order to pay for the public service, we need a growing economy, thatis service, we need a growing economy, that is so vital that we unleash those post—brexit opportunities, we get rid of those pointless eu regulations and we also cut taxes, to make sure that we are getting people to set up businesses, and help grow the economy. mr people to set up businesses, and help grow

rishi sunak is the front— was very lively. rishi sunak is the front room — was very lively.ly is chancellor until recently —— front ruhher~ — chancellor until recently —— front ruhher~ he — chancellor until recently —— front runner. he has the expertise and the knowledge _ runner. he has the expertise and the knowledge and the cards to play, but that also _ knowledge and the cards to play, but that also means he's the one that everyone — that also means he's the one that everyone else in the field has got the greatest interest in bringing down _ the greatest interest in bringing down. may be the bottom two. so, i think rishi _ down. may be the bottom two. so, i think rishi sunak was under a lot of pressure _ think rishi sunak was under a lot of pressure on — think rishi sunak was under a lot of pressure on tax, but also very sharp attacks _ pressure on tax, but also very sharp attacks from — pressure on tax, but also very sharp attacks from liz truss, suggesting that he _ attacks from liz truss, suggesting that he brought on the recession, not only— that he brought on the re

— looks increasingly likely rishi sunak will be one of them. ce of delivering for the country and uniting the country and winning and uniting the country and winning an election. — and uniting the country and winning an election, the only one when you place _ an election, the only one when you place him. — an election, the only one when you place him, compare him to keir starmer, — place him, compare him to keir starmer, who is favourable in the public's _ starmer, who is favourable in the public's eyes, and the one with the credible _ public's eyes, and the one with the credible economic plan. that matters enormously— credible economic plan. that matters enormously stop to me and the largest— enormously stop to me and the largest number, as you can see, of our colleagues. really pleased with that result. more than 100 colleagues backing him. clearly he is in the leads but still lots more rounds— is in the leads but still lots more rounds in— is in the leads but still lots more rounds in which we will have other discussions — rounds in which we

i party members with between liz truss and rishi sunak?_ truss and rishi sunak? think it is extraordinary _ truss and rishi sunak? i think it is extraordinary because - truss and rishi sunak? i think it is extraordinary because in l it is extraordinary because in a very erratic way with both theresa may and borisjohnson you could see attempts, chaotic in johnson's you could see attempts, chaotic injohnson�*s case, distracted injohnson�*s case, distracted in theresa may's case with the brexit, attempt to move on from thatcherism. theresa may talked about the good that the state can do and borisjohnson put the case for high public spending. now you have got a battle with two people claiming the thatcherite mantle in different ways. it is a battle on the right of the tory party. the focus is on tax cuts. when is the debate but not should there be. there is no focus on there be. there is no focus on the role of the state as demands on the state are growing. and, so, it is a return to that sort of 1980s thatcherism that very erratically the tory party have been trying

kevin said quite rightly that rishi sunak— kevin said quite rightly that rishi sunak had been long expectedhe vacancy arose. liz truss _ stand when the vacancy arose. liz truss has — stand when the vacancy arose. liz truss has also been expected to stand. _ truss has also been expected to stand. yet— truss has also been expected to stand, yet to be confirmed that she will but _ stand, yet to be confirmed that she will but i _ stand, yet to be confirmed that she will but i would be surprised if she doesn't _ will but i would be surprised if she doesn't. and of course, you've got this massive, apparently massive field that looks like it's going to enter_ field that looks like it's going to enter the — field that looks like it's going to enter the race. field that looks like it's going to enterthe race. rishi sunak obviously is a strong contender for the centre — obviously is a strong contender for the centre ground type of candidate, i soppose _ the centre ground type of candidate, i suppose. obviously going to be the leading contender at least at the outset — leading contender at least at th

you are backing rishi sunak. .. ., by liam fox. you are backing rishi sunak. ., , , , sunak.cause we are i sunak festival because we are electing a prime minister and the winner winner of this contest has got to have the experience, the intelligence, the ambition, the vision to set up a new government and have it in place quickly. it is not a youth training programme for learning on thejob. the not a youth training programme for learning on the job. the second thing is i think he has the right values that i want to see someone who fought for brexit, not from afar but was down there in the trenches a political cost to himself at the time. who believes in an open and free market, free trade, taking other people out of poverty through those mechanisms. i think that is what we want to see and it is a breakthrough vision, his clarity of thought that have attracted me to him in this contest. he thought that have attracted me to him in this contest.— thought that have attracted me to him in this contest. he was asked in a bbc interview— him in this contest. he was asked in a bbc int

rishi sunak is saying he will close them all down.must bejoking, how can rishi sunak claim he is tough and china went only last year he gave his mansion house speech talking about how he wanted closer economic ties with china. so we have an example of rishi sunak coming out with a policy position and liz truss�*s camp just hitting back and trying to undermine that and say, he has completely changed his tune from what he was talking aboutjust a year ago. it what he was talking about 'ust a ear auo. , . what he was talking about 'ust a earam, , ., ., ., what he was talking about 'ust a earauo. ,. . ., year ago. it is an amazing race so far, year ago. it is an amazing race so far. because _ year ago. it is an amazing race so far, because of _ year ago. it is an amazing race so far, because of the _ year ago. it is an amazing race so far, because of the reasons - year ago. it is an amazing race so far, because of the reasons you l year ago. it is an amazing race so i far, because of the reasons you have just been talking about. the claim

it�*s and they are basically calling rishi sunak a by doing this.— sunak a by doing this.he story that leads on _ sunak a by doing this. it's the story that leads on the - sunak a by doing this. it's the story that leads on the front l sunak a by doing this. it's the - story that leads on the front page of the digital version of the independent. i suppose the difficulty for rishi sunak is that people could easily turn to him and say, if you wanted to cut vat on bills to help people, you've had plenty of opportunity, why didn't you do it before? to plenty of opportunity, why didn't you do it before?— you do it before? to be fair to rishi sunak, _ you do it before? to be fair to rishi sunak, there _ you do it before? to be fair to rishi sunak, there are - you do it before? to be fair to rishi sunak, there are two - you do it before? to be fair to i rishi sunak, there are two points you do it before? to be fair to - rishi sunak, there are two points to be made. the first is about the question you asked previously, the sums that he's talking about a vat cut will be a lot diffe

to support rishi sunak.ng dirty now- _ support rishi sunak. it is really getting dirty now. i _ support rishi sunak. it is really getting dirty now. i so, - support rishi sunak. it is really getting dirty now. i so, so - support rishi sunak. it is really getting dirty now. i so, so we l getting dirty now. i so, so we agreed that it is an abomination that in this democracy, and they do keep on banging on about democracy, don't they? that not only are a very small number of conservative members, but a smaller number with very narrow range of opinions and preferences, which are not the preferences, which are not the preferences of most people in this country, are deciding who is going to the this country for two very,, very taxing years. i find that appalling, but... if very taxing years. i find that appalling, but...— very taxing years. i find that anallinu, but... . , appalling, but... if that sentiment, sor to appalling, but... if that sentiment, sorry to interrupt _ appalling, but... if that sentiment, sorr

resignation of a rishi sunak— a rishi sunak resignation of a rishi sunak by— a rishi sunak resignationuy, knows _ ex—banker, next hedge fund guy, knows a — ex—banker, next hedge fund guy, knows a thing or two about how to manage _ knows a thing or two about how to manage finances. and is getting fed up manage finances. and is getting fed up with— manage finances. and is getting fed up with the fact that you could read his letter, — up with the fact that you could read his letter, there is good to be a bil his letter, there is good to be a big speech coming up in a week or so between _ big speech coming up in a week or so between the — big speech coming up in a week or so between the chancellor and the prime minister— between the chancellor and the prime minister about the economic plan and that would _ minister about the economic plan and that would revolve around, what is the strategy to get us out of this mess: _ the strategy to get us out of this mess, given the fact that we've got for hundred — mess, given the fact that we've got for hundred billion in the back of covid _ for hundr

i think rishi sunak has done a fairly— i think rishi sunak has done a fairly good _ i think rishi sunakrly good job as _ i think rishi sunak has done a fairly good job as well- i think rishi sunak has done a fairly good job as well so - i think rishi sunak has done a fairly good job as well so you i i think rishi sunak has done a - fairly good job as well so you need to go— fairly good job as well so you need to go into — fairly good job as well so you need to go into hustings_ fairly good job as well so you need to go into hustings with _ fairly good job as well so you need to go into hustings with an - fairly good job as well so you need to go into hustings with an open i to go into hustings with an open mind _ to go into hustings with an open mind. ., ., ., , ., ., , mind. you are conservative party members but _ mind. you are conservative party members but you _ mind. you are conservative party members but you are _ mind. you are conservative party members but you are making - mind. you are conservative party members but you are making a i members but you are making a decision on be

— very strong candidate against rishi sunak for— very strong candidate against rishi sunak for that group and north eastern mp who is a _ research group and north eastern mp who is a very big brexiteer, tom's appeal— who is a very big brexiteer, tom's appeal spreads across the party so we are _ appeal spreads across the party so we are fighting this to win. it appeal spreads across the party so we are fighting this to win. if is we are fighting this to win. it is interesting _ we are fighting this to win. it is interesting that _ we are fighting this to win. if 3 interesting that brexiteer seem to be supporting every different wing of the party —— brexiteers. it feels thatis of the party —— brexiteers. it feels that is not a defining issue but maybe tax is. you have been deputy prime minister and you know how the game works and you know what your party stands for, are you a bit nervous that some of the candidates are coming out with really big pledges on tax and not giving any indication about how they are going to pay for it? that indication about how they are going to pay for it?—

had been beating rishi sunak, is that concerninu? ., ., ., ., that concerning? rishi _ that concerning? nostalgia, we had a choice between rishi sunak, - that concerning? nostalgia, we had a choice between rishi sunak, liz - choice between rishi sunak, liz truss. _ choice between rishi sunak, liz truss. and _ choice between rishi sunak, liz truss, and penny morgan, and every single _ truss, and penny morgan, and every single one _ truss, and penny morgan, and every single one of— truss, and penny morgan, and every single one of them is capable of getting — single one of them is capable of getting the support of the members. -- penny— getting the support of the members. —— penny mordaunt. i think once people get— —— penny mordaunt. i think once people get to know him, they see what _ people get to know him, they see what a _ people get to know him, they see what a decent, intelligent man he is, with— what a decent, intelligent man he is, with some really good policy ideas. _ is, with some really good policy ideas. and _ is, with some really good policy ideas, and

respond to i that, rishi sunak. resigning from government— that, rishi sunak.from government is a very serious i that, rishi sunak. resigning from| government is a very serious thing and a very personal thing, and everybody makes those decisions themselves. i tried to make it work for as long as possible, but i got to the point where enough was enough for me. we saw what had happened with the chris pincher situation, and i had big disagreements with the prime minister about the direction of our economy. but what that experience has given me means i am the only person who has the experience to lead our country through a very significant economic challenge, because that's what i have been doing for last two years, i'm looking forward as well. they are all good _ i'm looking forward as well. they are all good colleagues, - i'm looking forward as well. they are all good colleagues, and i think they have _ are all good colleagues, and i think they have all done what they thought was right— they have all done what they thought was right in difficult circumstances. bu

camp that liz truss is not _ anti—rishi sunak camp that liz truss is not yet _ anti—rishi sunakre she would _ but she is not exactly where she would want to be particularly as rishi _ would want to be particularly as rishi sunak obviously was somebody who stood _ rishi sunak obviously was somebody who stood down, resigned from boris johnson's _ who stood down, resigned from boris johnson's government to bring it down _ johnson's government to bring it down and — johnson's government to bring it down and liz truss has remained steadfast throughout. she is still the foreign secretary, she is still there. _ the foreign secretary, she is still there. so— the foreign secretary, she is still there. so i— the foreign secretary, she is still there, so i think people looking at her and _ there, so i think people looking at her and thinking maybe you are too much _ her and thinking maybe you are too much of— her and thinking maybe you are too much of a _ her and thinking maybe you are too much of a continuity candidate and maybe _ much of a continuity candidate and maybe you — much of a c

rishi sunak will have the first -- to i sunak will have the first —— to first call and consolidate hison, managing linkage with eu, generating more employment and trade deals. trance applause -- crosstalk —— crosstalk . we -- crosstalk . we sadly run out of time. what�*s more to come in fact on the show. including a look at how climate change is contributing to a series of wildfires. let�*s first take a look at some other stories in the headlines. donald trump has led the mourners at the funeral for his first wife, ivana. the former president was accompanied by relatives as he attended the funeral service at st vincent ferrer church in new york. ivana, who was donald trump�*s first wife, had three children with him during their fifteen year marriage. she died at the age of 73 last week, reportedly suffering fatal injuries after falling on the stairs at her apartment. italy is facing political uncertainty, with the prime minister mario draghi expected to offer his resignation on thursday. it comes after three of the parties in his coalition government refused to back him in a parliament

that battle to race against rishi sunak in the final- against rishi sunak in the final two.in these leadership contests and it's been really fascinating to see how it's played out over the last week as everybody has battled to stay in the race. penny isjust everybody has battled to stay in the race. penny is just about liz truss at the moment, so she has done pretty well getting a lot of np backers behind her in the past week. we shouldn't completely write her off just yet, we shouldn't completely write her offjust yet, i think until we see those numbers for the final time tomorrow afternoon, then we will know the two remaining candidates it will run off again 750,000 conservative members to become the next tory leader of the prime minister. liz truss closing in on penny is the headline in the telegraph. i think liz truss's team is pretty confident they've got the number that they will get them tomorrow from dropping out of which happened in the last few days, confident that those votes will come over to liz truss's side as opposed to penny. so about 2a hours until we should

i think rishi sunak is a bit further away from _ rishi sunak is a bit further away from that— rishi sunakat stuff but what about raising — from that stuff but what about raising taxes, does that bother you? the tax _ raising taxes, does that bother you? the tax rate — raising taxes, does that bother you? the tax rate is, if you lookjust two _ the tax rate is, if you lookjust two weeks _ the tax rate is, if you lookjust two weeks ago, we had a massive tax cut and _ two weeks ago, we had a massive tax cut and thinks about £330 that people — cut and thinks about £330 that people will be saving and look, we spent _ people will be saving and look, we spent so _ people will be saving and look, we spent so much money during covid—19, it was— spent so much money during covid—19, it was incredible amount of money and there — it was incredible amount of money and there was no way to really pay for it _ and there was no way to really pay for it. a, ,., and there was no way to really pay forit. �*, and there was no way to really pay forit. ., for it. mason, let's come back to ou and for it. mason, le

rishi sunak says he has _ generally at these elections. embership then does liz truss at the moment, but there i liz truss at the moment, but there will be _ liz truss at the moment, but there will be quite — liz truss at the moment, but there will be quite a _ liz truss at the moment, but there will be quite a few— liz truss at the moment, but there will be quite a few members- liz truss at the moment, but there will be quite a few members who l will be quite a few members who hold fire, who _ will be quite a few members who hold fire, who wail — will be quite a few members who hold fire, who wait to _ will be quite a few members who hold fire, who wait to see _ will be quite a few members who hold fire, who wait to see some of- will be quite a few members who hold fire, who wait to see some of the - fire, who wait to see some of the hustings— fire, who wait to see some of the hustings that _ fire, who wait to see some of the hustings that are _ fire, who wait to see some of the hustings that are going _ fire, who wait to see some of the h

taste a colleague who is pretending to be rishi sunak?— to be rishi sunak? to be all of- whole line—up of colleagues. pretending to be all of them. whole line—up of colleagues . pretending to be all of them. i -ot pretending to be all of them. i got back— pretending to be all of them. i got back on_ pretending to be all of them. i got back on friday _ pretending to be all of them. i got back on friday night, - got back on friday night, saturday— got back on friday night, saturday morning, - got back on friday night, saturday morning, we i got back on friday night, . saturday morning, we were got back on friday night, - saturday morning, we were in a room _ saturday morning, we were in a room rehearsing, _ saturday morning, we were in a room rehearsing, doing - saturday morning, we were in a room rehearsing, doing a - saturday morning, we were in a room rehearsing, doing a paperj room rehearsing, doing a paper rehearsal— room rehearsing, doing a paper rehearsal with— room rehearsing, doing a paper rehearsal with five _ room rehearsing, doing a paper rehearsal

rishi sunak with 115, up 14 estimation. rishi sunak with 115, up 1a on five days ago.nd liz truss was up seven but still in third place behind penny mordaunt. tom tugendhat lost only one mp but nonetheless under the rules as the person with the least votes he is eliminated. we wait to see what his 31 supporters do. what do you make of these figures? interesting because the first thing to bear in mind is the finishing line... dramatic end to proceedings here! i don't know if one of the candidates decided on the most dramatic fashion to withdraw. i do hope not!— dramatic fashion to withdraw. i do hope not! dramatic fashion to withdraw. idoho-�*enot!,, , ., i do hope not! absolutely not. the to three i do hope not! absolutely not. the tap three are _ i do hope not! absolutely not. the top three are exactly _ i do hope not! absolutely not. the top three are exactly the - i do hope not! absolutely not. the top three are exactly the same. i top three are exactly the same. there was some hope in the liz truss camp they could get more of suella braverman�*s support and that co

only 38% favouring rishi sunak. liz backing liz truss. only 3896 favouring rishi sunak.much _ favouring rishi sunak. liz truss very much emerging _ favouring rishi sunak. liz truss very much emerging as - favouring rishi sunak. liz truss very much emerging as the - favouring rishi sunak. liz truss - very much emerging as the favourite in this leadership contest now. the times focuses on their tax plans or lack of tax plans and rishi sunak�*s case that both of them attacking the other�*s proposals and saying that they would wreck the economies and make families poor. liz truss has got a £30 billion package of tax cuts which will play very well with the conservative members who are going to select one of these two candidates over the summer. rishi sunak has ruled out any tax cuts before next year at the earliest. both candidates are saying that the other one's plans are ridiculous and not going to help the economy. they are both making claims that they have their solution to the crisis that the country finds itself in with inflation in double digit figures now with the cos

you have a colleague pretending to be rishi sunak?le line—up of colleagues pretending to be all of them. i got back on friday- night, saturday morning, we were in a room rehearsing, doing a paper rehearsal- with five standing candidates. we are just very fortunate. i do these debates with this - amazing team on the programme. an amazing array of smart producers who are all - across all of the policy. detail, and it allows me to test out how the debate is - going to work, so we were doing that on saturday morning. we did another full dress rehearsal on sunday, - and for me, they aren't absolutely crucial- bit of the process. one question i've got for the three of you before i bring in our guest from sky news, and maybe faisal, you're back with us, you can help me here. when this is playing out in real time and there is a lot of information coming your way, a lot of it you wouldn't know is coming your way until you hear it, how do you fact—check it? how do you catch the things that are maybe not as accurate as they need to be in the mom

and backer of rishi sunak. yes.n that moniker, was it when he launched the sign up for his website last year? no, after boris resigned, we needed to... - it was definitely after? we needed to make a choice, there were 11 runners at thatl point, i looked at them all, i know them all well. - i was on the phone to gina, - she said, "who will be the best prime minister?", and i said "rishi sunak", . and i backed him. ijust said it, - without blinking. i have worked with them all, i think all five would make . an excellent prime minister, but i think rishi sunak- is the best for the job. i have worked incredibly . closely with him, especially during the pandemic, - and he has what it takes. what do you make of the fact that the early skirmishes of this campaign have been pretty much all the candidates gunning directly for him, and gunning for him on tax, describing him as a socialist, effectively as a labour chancellor? it is quite something. it is a small number of voices. i have actually found, - inside the parliamenta

we have the daily telegraph saying rishi sunak takes the daily telegraph saying rishi sunaktakes aimegraph saying rishi sunak takes aim at liz truss over china's influence in universities. tough on china, mr sunak?, pull the other one. ties into what you are saying there. expand on that. exactly. the same story that the daily mail are covering but they are to the elect paper is taking the stance of backing liz truss in this later ship campaign. i suppose trumpeting the liz truss campaign line of attack which is to essentially ridicule rishi sunakfor trying to talk tough on china put up and pointing to the speech he made last year where he actually wanted to create greater economic ties with china, he was talking about how speech of china's economy and it's important that the uk does business with them and has a nuanced view. the liz truss campaign are saying it seems a bit hypocritical to now be talking about how china is this massive national security threat when actually that's a slightly different mind to what you are taking previously. fascinating. camilla, just _ taking previous

�*s camp. of excitement but also nervousness in rishi sunak's camp.— in rishi sunak's camp., there used to be a thing _ in rishi sunak's camp. yes, there used to be a thing where - in rishi sunak's camp. yes, there used to be a thing where the - used to be a thing where the favourite at the beginning never ultimately ended up winning the conservative leadership contest. that got slightly disproved in the last leadership contest where boris johnson was the favourite and ultimately came out quite convincingly on top but that is right, if you are the person to beat, neversometimes right, if you are the person to beat, never sometimes the best position to be in and rishi sunak finally enough will find himself defending his record as chancellor. issues like taxes will always play importantly on a conservative party leadership contest and he has been putting them up recently, we will probably hear from a lot of candidates who would rather see them cut. �* . ., ., . candidates who would rather see them cut. �* . ., ., candidates who would rather see them cut. �* ., ., ., candidates

rishi sunak, 101. 27. penny mourdaunt, 83. rishi sunak,101. liz 27. penny mourdaunt, 83.1. liz truss, 64. tom tugenhadt, 32. therefore under the rules, suella braverman is eliminated from the contest, and the others are able to go forward to a further ballot on monday. ione wells is in westminster for us. well, it's been an active last few hours here in westminster. mps have been reacting to the latest result, suella braverman being elevated from the contest. all eyes are on where her vote and those of her supporters will go over the next couple days before the next round of votes take place. now as was pretty much expected, the former chancellor rishi sunak topped his pole again of conservative mps, getting 101 votes from his tory mp colleagues. earlier i spoke to matt hancock, who said he felt positive about this result. it's going to be two candidates in the final, — it's going to be two candidates in the final, but it looks increasingly likely— the final, but it looks increasingly likely rishi sunak will be one of those — likely rishi sunak will be one of those. and t

but also i think rishi sunak has done a good job, as well.need to go in with an open mind to the hustings. these votes need to connect with absolutely everybody, i notjust ourselves. the fierce rivalry between the two candidates for number ten promises plenty of heated debate about what the conservatives want from their leader, and the course they should set to govern the uk. jonathan blake, bbc news. in herfirst broadcast interview since joining the race to become the next prime minister, liz truss has attacked the government's economic policy, warning that it risks sending the uk into a recession. speaking on the today programme, the foreign secretary insisted that her plan to reverse increases in national insurance and corporation tax, and increase borrowing by around £30 billion, would not add to rising inflation. asked by host nick robinson about her borrowing plans, she criticised what she called the economic orthodoxy under her leadership rival, the former chancellor rishi sunak. look, we've got the highest taxes for 70 years. and we h

questions from nadine dorries about dominic cummings backing rishi sunak. aign. sunak. this will be a dirty campaign-— sunak. this will be a dirty camaian.�* . �*, , _, campaign. and that's 'ust the start. one of the reasons _ campaign. and that's 'ust the start. one of the reasons it — campaign. and that'sjust the start. one of the reasons it could - one of the reasons it could potentially get quite dirty is that it is a short campaign. we don't have long for them to set their stall is out. its high—stakes. tory mps are choosing the next prime minister. it really does matter. these things often get dirty. there is often a sense that there is a lot of blue on blue attacks. which have always been really interesting, listening to the number of conservatives that have been members of the government, that have been standing by tax decisions. now, totally turning their back on it. politics moves quickly. but the speed at which people are dumping borisjohnson and saying we need to get rid of his policies, do something completely different, it is quite staggering.

— and that was one _ so nasty to rishi sunak — and that was one of— so nasty to rishi sunak — and, that it felt like they were trying to be more cordial to each— they were trying to be more cordial to each other, trying to give fewer attack _ to each other, trying to give fewer attack lines to the labour party. now the i's front page looks like, much _ now the i's front page looks like, much like — now the i's front page looks like, much like the euros, it might be another— much like the euros, it might be another competition there will be won by— another competition there will be won by a — another competition there will be won by a woman. we have sunak on the ropes _ won by a woman. we have sunak on the ropes here _ won by a woman. we have sunak on the ropes here because in yet another pou. _ ropes here because in yet another poll. it— ropes here because in yet another poll, it looks like liz truss is ahead — poll, it looks like liz truss is ahead among stories of rishi sunak for their— ahead among stories of rishi sunak for their support. the yougov pole for their support. the

rishi sunak, a very smart guy, but to i want to be margaret thatcher. rishi . thel fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he _ fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept— fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept the _ fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept the green— fact of his wife's extreme wealth. and he kept the green card... i fact of his wife's extreme wealth. . and he kept the green card... after he became a politician. crosstalk and with the inflation and cost of living _ and with the inflation and cost of living issues, _ and with the inflation and cost of living issues, that _ and with the inflation and cost of living issues, that is _ and with the inflation and cost of| living issues, that is problematic. penny— living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant— living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant is _ living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant is a _ living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant is a sort - living issues, that is problematic. penny mourdant is a sort of- living issues, that is problema

if rishi sunak loses his shine in the same _ rishi sunak loses his shine in the same way, — rishi sunak way, it would be a much more extreme case of someone losing votes _ extreme case of someone losing votes. before the action comes around — votes. before the action comes around liz_ votes. before the action comes around liz truss and penny mordaunt as the _ around liz truss and penny mordaunt as the two— around liz truss and penny mordaunt as the two standard—bearers of the social— as the two standard—bearers of the social right — as the two standard—bearers of the social right in the social left on this, _ social right in the social left on this, i— social right in the social left on this, i think they'll leapfrog them togethen — this, i think they'll leapfrog them to . ether. , , this, i think they'll leapfrog them touether. , , ~ .,, together. very interesting. most eo - le together. very interesting. most peeple will _ together. very interesting. most peeple will be — together. very interesting. most people will be lapping _ together. very interesting. most people will be lapping

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and - backing rishi sunak. we need a leader who can win. and the . backing rishi sunak.he reality is polling shows only rishi sunak can beat labour, only rishi sunak can beat labour, only rishi sunak can win with the support of leave photos and remain voters. 0nly rishi sunak can win in the north and south between the blue wall and the red wall. he's got the economic leadership, he's got the valleys to bring us all together and he's the only one that can win. bring us all together and he's the only one that can win. two bring us all together and he's the only one that can win.— bring us all together and he's the only one that can win. two hours of boris johnson. _ only one that can win. two hours of boris johnson, jacob _ only one that can win. two hours of boris johnson, jacob reese - only one that can win. two hours of boris johnson, jacob reese mogg i only one that can win. two hours of l boris johnson, jacob reese mogg and borisjohnson, jacob reese mogg and they are backing the foreign secretary at liz truss who is competing for the overall victory but is particularl