rob d'amico, still with. i couldn't help but immediately,, for a moment, feel what the families might be feeling. to see those red cross bans. coming across with the waving flags so late and an evening, on a saturday. what must be inside? those are the hands of hope for so many families. we don't know right now, on our side, who exactly are in those fans. what a day if those are indeed the 13 more israelis, and seven other nationalities, in those fans. >> it is but it's also a rollercoaster, the up and down of the whole thing. that is one reason, normally, when we are doing these before with the u.s. citizens, we do not notify the families because it is such an up and down. it is such a rollercoaster that they go through until we actually have them in hand do we make a notification. okay, we have them. as you can see, it is this public display of just the worst thing you can think of. is it going to happen? is it not? we try to iron that al. i don't think that this is happened before anywhere. this public disp

rob d'amico, thank you so much. again, we are still waiting, rob, to see if the hostages get released. scheduled today, as we appreciate you going not to, too far from that camera. enjoy your day until we, perhaps, call on you again. thank you. coming up later on, everybody, two big developments in donald trump's legal world. they both involve one thing he cannot keep shot. we're back in 60 seconds. n 60 seconds help prevent covid-19 from breaking your momentum. you may have already been vaccinated against the flu, but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too. ♪♪ nothing like a real tree. ♪♪ oh, fudge!!! oh, fudge!!! ♪♪ the holidays are joy, except for all the snow, slush, salt, and pine needle catastrophes... weathertech's cargoliners and floorliners are laser-measured to perfectly protect the front, back, and even up the sides. order the perfect holiday gift today at weathertech.com and don't forget weathertech gift cards. king c. gillette is an award winning lineup men's health best beard trimmer for b

for more on the ongoing negotiations for the hostages still in captivity, joining us now, rob d'amicormer fbi special agent with experience in international hostage recovery. now, as you look at where we are at and i'll go back to what i mentioned a little bit earlier here, rob, and that was the proof of life, the lists of the names, and that seems to have been at least in the last 48 hours if not longer a big sticking point in the negotiations for these hostages and abductees, why is that such a big issue? >> it's always been an issue. anytime we try to talk about getting hostages back, you want proof that they're alive, and you want that proof to come in certain forms that only that person can provide, and then it also holds accountability that nothing is going to happen between now and then if they're saying this person is alive at this point. because i think some of the concern is the hostages may have perished since the taking on october 7th. so we want to kind of hold them to it, understand who they have, and who they're looking at providing back to us. >> i guess one would thin

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and rob d'amico, a retired fbi agent with hostage negotiations experience, including with qatar and thealiban. qatar, at the center of this, as they negotiate -- mediate between israel and hamas. colonel monsieur, i want to start with you. and how israel is prosecuting its war. israel and the military have made a big push to roprove hama is using hospitals for cover. we saw the israelis strike the indonesian hospital. 12 people were killed, among them patients. i spoke to an adviser to benjamin netanyahu who told me that israel is complying with international law, the way they go about to dismantle hamas in gaza. they say it's proportional to the attack we saw on october 7th. what are your thoughts? >> israel is winning the war on the ground and losing the battle for information around the world. israel probably is, you know, come flying with the law of war but it can't prove it. it needs to have reporters embedded with the formations. it needs to do better in terms of gathering evidence on critical sites. the sites protected by the geneva conventions. and it needs to be hesitant to afa

we have two guests with us with decades of experience in hostage negotiations, bill andrew and rob d'amico, i appreciate both of you being with us and rob, you know, you hear noah right, i mean this is a three-year-old little girl, she will turn four on friday, these are the human beings who right now, their lives are on the line. what do you read into what is happening in the war cabinet, the entire cabinet right now entering the sixth hour without a vote? >> i think there's a lot of arguing going back and forth, are they getting as much as they can out of this exchange, how is it going to and what they want and continue what they want. normally in negotiations, you don't have that many people involved in the actual decision, and the other part that -- bad part is the families, so many of these negotiations and recoveries, the families don't really know about it because it's an absolute roller coaster. as you were just talking to a mom, the ups and downs, we've had recovered people getting on planes and then having to get off and it has crashed at the last second, the last-minute details

. >> joining me now, nbc's ken dilanian reporting from washington, rob d'amico is a former fbi supervisorerra 1 consulting. ken, what more are we learning about this investigation today? >> chris, the fbi and the u.s. postal inspection service have launched a massive information into this matter. they're not saying much about what they're doing, law enforcement officials tell me the working hypothesis is that these incidents are linked and they are pouring over these envelopes for forensic clues, dna fingerprints, handwriting analysis, the postal inspection service has very sophisticated methods for tracking exactly where and when mail was sent. they're going to be looking at video surveillance. they haven't mentioned anything about suspects. what's so pernicious about the fentanyl angle here is that in the past where there have been letter attacks and white powdery substances, they've used things like anthrax, which are hard to get. fentanyl is ubiquitous in the united states. it's very toxic, very dangerous, it's also very available. that's got law enforcement officials really rattled h