. >> bill: in the meantime, you wrote a piece this week about robert hur. who is robert hur? investigating president joe biden. in 30 seconds, why so quiet, professor? >> well, bill, the fact that you have to ask who is robert hur explains the problem. very few people know him except as the other special counsel. he is supposedly investigating joe biden. we have not heard anything, not a grand jury, not witnesses being subpoenaed, coming out of that investigation. the concern i have is that what the president has said makes no sense. in no universe does his inadvertence claim hold together because these documents were removed from the white house, then divided and moved repeatedly. that shows something other than inadvertence. that shows intent by someone. so the question is has hur asked for an interview with biden? has he gotten a statement from biden? that was what they did in the trump investigations, people like michael flynn, they quickly got statements that could be used against them if they were lying or misrepresenting. we have not heard anything along those lines. >

. >> byron: a separate special counsel robert hur has been appointed in that case.his home in indiana. upon discovering them, his team alerted authorities immediately and allowed them to search without a warrant. after discovery, pence saying it's an intentional error. >> the classified documents should not have been in my personal residence. mistakes were made. >> byron: the investigation has been closed without any need for, oh, my prosecution. earlier today before the news of the indictment, former vice president who is running for president said. to speak of the unprecedented action of the indictment of the former president of the united states will be extraordinarily divisive in our country and i think it will send a terrible message to the wilder world. let me be clear, no one is above the law. >> the difference is that both of the teams were applied fully and completely with the national archives and their authorities trying to bring the documents back. that's not what happened what donald trump and it seemed donald trump at the opposite which is in part why

specifically, we're talking about former attorney robert hur.resident. which explains the t-shirt he wore at the swearing-in ceremony. you know who might also be getting a special counsel soon? newly elected congressman, george santos, seen here talking to his dad, bruce springsteen. [laughter] i didn't know. i didn't know. bruce must be so proud. yesterday, "the new york times" got a copy of the resume santos gave to the nassau county republican party after they sent him a standard vetting questionnaire. they asked him the standard questions for any prospective g.o.p. candidate like: "what is your work experience?" "where did you go to school?" and "which lady m&m turns you on the most?" answer: almond, obviously. the resume was full of lies, but one job we know he had for sure was con man, because santos received payments from a company out there called harbor city capital that the s.e.c. accused of running a $17 million pyramid scheme. santos insists it was not a scam and that he is, in fact, a pyramid. [laughter] santos -- >> louis: just kee

months to go gather these stolen classified documents when i got caught appointed special counsel robert hur who seems to be in no hurry to do anything. the fbi went in for the fifth time and they found another set of stolen classified documents, did biden's attorneys represent to the justice department that they did a diligent search and turned over all the documents? how did the fbi find these document? how is that not obstruction of justice for real espionage? vice president didn't have writes to these records he wasn't a president. >> jesse: you know federal prosecutors here. you have been in this zone before. there has to be prosecutors that can't celine at night because of this. this is really disgusting. >> jesse: going to bret on that, mike? >> the old adage, jesse is the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? in this instance the indictment is in the eye of the prosecutor what we have is as a prosecutor that the facilitated the conclusion he already reached. imagine it's this easy, jesse. this is how you would do it. you would interview several people that were surrounding the

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except that they conveniently omit that a special prosecutor, robert hur, it is currently leading antigation into that matter. but if republicans really are concerned about the weaponization of the federal government than they need to look a little closer to home. a few days after he was indicted, for a second time,, trump took to truth social and pose to the knock apps message saying quote, i will appoint a real prosecutor. and quotes. to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the usa. joe biden, the entire biden crime family and all others involved with the destruction of our elections, borders and country itself, and quote, all capital letters. donald trump is yelling the quiet part out loud. it is not all set a surprising the trump's attach the presumption of guilt into the biden prime family. and vows to prosecute them for unspecified charges if he gets the chance. it is perfectly consistent with the character of a man who spends an entire election cycle during the country and leading chance about locking up hillary clinton. trump and his allies have no good defen

we don't know what robert hur is going to find.erences, namely obstruction. >> that's the essence of this indictment. it's willful retention, right? the government said, hey, you've got these documents and then they seem to have kept been moving around willfully in a private club, notwithstanding speaker mccarthy's argument that bathroom doors lock. look, that's the fundamental difference. that's why pence who had documents, there's no charging involved. the biden case is still ongoing, but the attempt to draw parallels to say there's unequal judgment doesn't fit the facts o'thi of this case. >> i'm not going to make a judgment on whether speaker mccarthy's defense was well thought out or applicable in court, but i do want to play some sound from another trump ally that our good colleague, great colleague, manu raju got and get your response to it. listen. >> i wouldn't -- i wouldn't be pulling out the drapes and the curtains for a new fbi building right now. >> it's this weird dynamic of like the law enforcement, back the blue par

he docile robert hur.resident trump last night talked about his case and why he didn't just hand over the documents and just got out of this mess before it start wanted. listen. >> these boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things. golf shirts, clothing, pants, shoes, there were many things. i would say. >> bret: iran war plan? >> not that i know of. not that i know of. but everything was declassified. and biden didn't have the right to do that because he wasn't president. nor did mike pence, by the way, have the right to do that because he wasn't president. >> brian: golf shirts he didn't have a chance to go through them. he also had a chance -- didn't know if anybody else put something in there make him look bad. >> that's one of the best interviews that i ever seen of a president or former president. bret baier did an amazing job. the level of detail really was quite shocking on a legal standpoint. i don't know if they had decided on their legal defense but they have now. i mean, the position of th

and he said the special counsel robert hur, who is investigating the documents. found at biden's house and office. he's a very nice person. mine's not such a nice person. mine is a deranged lunatic. then he also paused to take a sip of water. someone yelled out happy birthday because he turns 77 today. he said nice birthday, isn't it? >> steve: yeah, no kidding. mentioning jack smith, who is the guy we saw on live tv last week talk about the 37 counts against the former president, jack smith was actually in the courtroom yesterday and he and donald trump came face to face. they were 20 feet apart. and this was just after on social media donald trump had attacked smith as a thug and lunatic. here's the thing. while they did not speak, jack smith is still investigating whether or not donald trump had anything to do with, you know, the 2020 election and the january 6th riot. so, you know, just the fact that they were in the room together, it was really something. and so, jack smith sat in the back, didn't talk to anybody. he watched three department of justice attor

how many leaks have come out from robert hur's office about joe biden's documents, do you know?> gillian: i do know? i would have to look into that and get back to you, brian. >> ainsley: i don't think any of them have. >> gillian: i don't think so either. >> brian: amazing tight ship. >> steve: thank you very much. regarding the leaking of this particular tape trump posted on truth social jack smith working in conjunction with the doj and fbi illegally leaked and spun a tape and transcript of me, which is actually exoneration. so, do you know what? if trump thinks it's an exoneration of him, prance somebody on his side actually did the leaking to cnn and maggie haberman. >> brian: makes sense. >> steve: it does, actually. >> ainsley: going to say in court trump says on tape sees a president i could have declassified it. now, i can't, you know, but this is still a secret. is he saying on that tape. >> steve: yeah. is he admitting he has got classified documents. >> brian: sounds like the same tape. it's the same issue and what it was was there is a story that milley, after the p

and that special counsel, robert hur, is a former trump appointee. so, actually trump and biden being given the exact same process. they both had special counsels appointed. one has come back and we're waiting on the other. >> he makes this 80-day point, which is a talking point you hear from a lot of republicans. >> the 80 days that how long biden was given before doj went in? the point is doj waited 80 days before going in to get documents from biden. if you look at this indictment, the amount of patience and latitude that they gave donald trump, starting with the archives, donald trump in this indictment strings out the archives for nearly a year. they're negotiating. they're begging. they're pleading. then doj takes over. same thing, negotiating, can we work this out. serve a subpoena, the nice way. they get a very impartial -- or non-complete response. and then only after they had no other options did they execute the search warrant. so, i think the facts are the opposite. >> and i think that jack smith in his presentation today and certainly th

the attorney general merrick garland decided to actually appoint robert hur, who is running the investigationnning the investigation into what's going on with trump. the one as it relates to pence, though, that never had a special counsel. that was only run within the department and fbi. that one was treated a ril differently. it's interesting to note it is obviously now the one that is closed whereas the other two we're still waiting to find out what's going on there. >> and the special counsel investigations are still ongoing involving president trump and president biden. thank you, laura jarrett, please stand by for me. i want to bring back our legal eagle here, that is dave aronberg. what's your reaction to the news? >> this shows that prosecutors are not as interested in the possession of the documents as they are in the refusal to give them back, and that's where donald trump and his supporters get it wrong. they're not in the same category as mike pence and joe biden. they're in a different category because for trump it's about the obstruction. it's about the refusal to give them back.

and that special counsel, robert hur, is a former trump appointee. so, actually trump and biden being given the exact same process. they both had special counsels appointed. one has come back and we're waiting on the other. >> he makes this 80-day point, which is a talking point you hear from a lot of republicans. >> the 80 days that how long biden was given before doj went in? the point is doj waited 80 days before going in to get documents from biden. if you look at this indictment, the amount of patience and latitude that they gave donald trump, starting with the archives, donald trump in this indictment strings out the archives for nearly a year. they're negotiating. they're begging. they're pleading. then doj takes over. same thing, negotiating, can we work this out. serve a subpoena, the nice way. they get a very impartial -- or non-complete response. and then only after they had no other options did they execute the search warrant. so, i think the facts are the opposite. >> and i think that jack smith in his presentation today and certainly th