her husband is robert kagan, one of the architects of the iraq war, famed neal con birds of a feather, i guess. but no one claims to be a democrat, her actions would suggest otherwise, but, you know, here we have her sitting in yet another high profile roll under another democratic products. first, it was under obama now. biden, are we to believe that her politics or her world view are somehow different than that of her husband's? a couple of things, you know, i could call myself a democrat. i could call myself a libertarian. i could call myself a cactus. it doesn't matter my, the ideology is what it is my believes in how the world order should be either changed or maintained or what they are. so in america, we have been good weight into believing that the republicans and the democrats are at odds that they're having a knife fight. when in turn they are having a pillow fight entered. in reality, they are not fighting over the, particularly, they're not fighting over the issues of foreign policy. as i said, there is a small strain, a small element of populist in the republican party. w

new and her husband is robert kagan, one of the architects of be a rock war, famed neal con birds of a feather. i guess, but no one claims to be a democrat, her actions would suggest otherwise, but here we have her sitting in yet another high profile roll under another democratic poetess. first, it was under obama now. biden, are we to believe that her politics or her world view are somehow different than that of her husband's? a couple of things, you know, i could call myself a democrat. i could call myself a libertarian. i could call myself a cactus, it doesn't matter my, the ideology is what it is. my belief in how the world order should be either changed or maintained or what they are. so in america, we have been put weight into believing that the republicans and the democrats are at odds that they are having a knife fight. when in turn they are having a pillow fight entered. in reality, they are not fighting over the, particularly, they're not fighting over the issues of foreign policy. as i said, there is a small strain, a small element of populist in the republican party. whil

there is a foreign policy scholar named robert kagan who wrote a book called the jungle grows back. point of that book is people don't take u.s. leadership for granted, but when the u.s. begins withdrawing, that's a green light putin and hamas. the u.s. has to be involved. it's not a role we have ever loved. if you are as dominant in economic and military power, it's a role that is thrust upon you. the president and the administration put together an aid package that includes aid to israel and ukraine. it's a mold site let's keep the world safe aid package. let's fight off barbarism aid package. and it's expensive. imagine the cost if ukraine fell. imagine how much our defense budget would have to go up if china took over taiwan or hamas pushed israel out of existence. this bill that the administration put together while costly is way less than the alternatives. >> i want to talk about the increased legal exposure facing donald trump. kenneth chesbro and sidney powell both accepted plea deals in that election subversion case. what do you think this means for donald trump? >> there i

. >> that's part of why chief justice john roberts has even come out in what i would say kind of veiled criticism against kagannd others in ruling against some of the cases. i want to stay on roberts. dick durbin has tried to have him have an enforceable code of conduct. where does chief justice roberts fall in this? >> i think he falls between a rock and a hard place. i think on the one hand, he is as attuned to and sensitive to the institutional problems the court is facing and the costs of an erosion of public trust in the court that he really wants to do what he can to push back against that. on the other hand, he is just one among nine. he can't force his other eight colleagues to do much of anything. his real power over his colleagues is simply the power of persuasion. i think the real question is, how can he get everyone from -- you mentioned justice kagan and jackson all the way to alito, on board with the idea that whatever the supreme court is deciding, it is important, it is essential that the court's decisions be per perceived as legi legitimate, not because we all agree, but the idea is we should