us to share their reporting and their insights in the hour ahead, cnn's nia-malika henderson, ron fournier, peter baker of "the new york times" and jackie kucinich of "the daily beast." it is rare, we look at both races and we speak the three least-spoken words in washington, i don't know. so you look at this as a classic case in both races. and let's start with the republicans. passion versus organization. that's a cliche that's often used, but i think it's very true in this case. if you're in iowa on the ground, there's no question trump gets the big crowds. trump is intriguing people. democrats are at his rallies, independents, people never voted in a caucus. ted cruz has the traditional iowa evangelicals, the home-schoolers, a huge and sophisticated organization. who's going to win? >> you know, when you talk to trump supporters, they'll even tell you if they don't know if people are going to show up. there are people volunteering for phone banking or volunteering to take lists and they're not getting any lists. you're absolutely right. it is nontraditional, and trump may be relying on

henderson, ron fournier, ron baker and jackie kucinich. let's start there. bernie sanders needs the high turnout. even the president said, peter, in his interview with politico, bernie sanders is not barack obama. then he had to have a meeting with bernie sanders. >> just to confirm that he wasn't barack obama. >> they put his thumb on the scale, and he is not. >> but he kind of put his thumb on the scale for hillary clinton, and then he pulled it off and had a meeting with bernie sanders. to sanders' point, if you look at any data -- some people don't trust polling. this is in every single poll. if you have a younger crowd, if he turns out younger people like obama did, if he turns out independents like obama did, if he gets an influx of a lot of new voters who have never caucused before like obama did, that's the recipe. >> well, and how unlikely that this accept tseptogenarian from would suddenly be obama who was this rock star young guy and came out of nowhere. it's a very different profile and he's targeting the same constituencies. every democratic --

ron fournier of the "national journal" and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. >> i think the world may be a hypochondriac in this case. international trade is about 23% of the u.s. gdp. of that 23%, only 16% is trade with china. as an interesting echo in the american presidential contest. because the leader for the republican nomination has for six months been telling the american people they should live in fear and trepidation about the strength of china. now the weakness of china seems to be preoccupying us. and mr. trump with his unerring sense of how to make matters worse has said today what we need is a 45% tariff on imports from china. which would not only raise the cost of living for americans, but would certainly deepen the slowdown in china this is all very reminiscent of the late 1980s when we were told japan was at the wheel of the world, we were just going to be passengers in japan's world from now on. since then japan has had decades of stagnation. it's not clear that the china phobia that we've been urged to have looks quite so scary as it used to. >> yeah, china has

it can't just be about scoring political points. >> ron fournier, thank you so much for being with us this afternoon. >> thank you, kate. take care. >>> after the break, former u.s. marine amir hekmati speaks publicly for the first time since being released from an iranian prison. >> i hope to get home soon. i really want to see my family and be back on the land of the free. nutes or across the globe in under an hour. whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites provide earth with unlimited clean power. in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space planes, across the universe and beyond. and if you thought that was amazing, you just wait. ♪ i have a massive heart attack oright in my driveway.d the doctor put me on a bayer aspirin regimen. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. go talk to your doctor. you're not indestructible anymore. ♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs be

senior political reporter, perry bacon jr., ron fournier, kasie hunt, joining me from the democratic debate in chicago. perry -- sorry, in south carolina. i have no idea why chicago was on the mind. i know we're monitoring situations there. perry, what do you make of the clinton campaign wanting to make such a big deal about this ad? >> it is so bizarre, like with the interview as well, campaigns are about differences. they're about negatives. chelsea clinton, a few days ago, used to be off the table in a lot of ways, was attacking sanders on health care. i get what joel's saying, maybe bernie slightly violated his campaign pledge. who expected a candidate or president to never criticize the candidate? hillary clinton criticizing every day. this is a bizarre -- i don't think voters are going to change their minds based on the idea that a candidate attacked a candidate. they expect that. >> i think we know what they are trying to done he's got credit over her. they'd like to erode that. anything they can do they think makes him sound like he's another politician. i get what they're tr

. >> ron fournier. >> ron has written -- most of what i have learned about the story i've learned fromthey banged the drums loud enough and got the attention of a lot of policy makers. >> the epa itself stopping, suppressing information. >> right. >> the question for the epa is, when you got these complaints from the people of flint, when they said over a year ago that our water smells funny and looks funny -- >> tastes bad. >> -- why didn't you address the problem then and there. >> all the focus -- i'm not circling the wagons here around the republican governor of michigan, sam stein, but -- >> good job taking responsibility. >> good job taking responsibility, but obviously there are so many bad actors. it is like katrina. you've got to start with the county commissioners, the mayor. you have to go all the way up, all the local officials, all the state officials and, yes, the epa really should keep their head down because it's the federal officials too. this is a failure on all levels. everybody should resign if one should resign. >> yeah. there is no doubt about it. there is a syste

. >> ron fournier, thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> coming up next, one of the freed american prisoners, "washington post" reporter jason rezaian, speaking out for the very first time. what he says is the first thing he wants to do with his new found freedom. >>> plus, american troops getting legal authority to attack isis in a location that is not syria nor iraq. details and why this is a bad sign against the war against the terrorists. >>> free for the very first time in more than 500 days, veteran "washington post" reporter jason rezaian walked out of a hospital in germany, giving the world its first glimpse of his freedom after languishing in an iranian prison on vague charges of espionage. here he is with his family. there he is waving to some of the cameras saying a few words. here you go. >> how are you feeling, jason? good to be out? [ indiscernable ] glad to have you. >> welcome back! [ indiscernable ] >> can't wait to be home, he says. in a statement, he revealed a little bit bhor about what he has been missing while he was cut off behind prison walls. one of his must-dos, wat

is ron fournier of "national journal" a totally whacko when he says that the clintons demean anyone whon't think so. stuart: but you're total whacko, not, so you're not. what is your response to all of this, other than are these people whacko? obviously not. what's your response? it was very specific. you're writing a book which is very negative about hillary clinton. they called you a total whacko. your response to that? >> my response to that all books about contrary politics, including bob woodward, the game change authors, use only anonymous sources which is exactly what i do. i've been doing this now for 20 years since 1996, i've been writing about hillary clinton. 20 years. i have more than 1000 interviews in my filing cabinets. i think, you know without being falsely modest i'm probably the world's greatest expert on hillary. stuart: is she corrupt? >> oh, completely. think about it. while she was secretary of state, bill clinton was taking for the clinton foundation hundreds of millions of dollars in donations from foreign governments and foreign businesses, the same governments