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but we're here to talk about china. >> ron klain. >> karine earlier used the word authoritarianism. it's a very serious thing to talk about but i think this is the key innisha of awe thor tarrismianism. what you saw on television with your eyes, he didn't speak it. and all of things are false, even if you saw it yourself. this is right out of 1984. we say it enough that it might seem cliche or trite but this is a turning point moment where the facts and donald trump are in a hopeless conflict and where people have to believe what are they going to believe? what they saw these intelligence leaders say on television or the president telling them they didn't actually see it at all. >> karine, i'm not going to hold my breath but i wish i could for some republican lawmakers to come out and take a side. this is now -- it's exactly as ron described it. this is now a battle over what the meaning of truth is and you're right to invoke the illusion and patterns of an authoritarian. but donald trump in his own words has taken to his rally stage and said, don't believe what you see. don't belie

i can see your face, ron klain. go ahead, last word. >> last word. the first law of holes is when you're in a hole, stop digging. what the first part of this offer that was so bad for trump is making the protection for dreamers work anything means you're willing to deport the dreamers. what trump did over the weekend is resuscitate the threat in the tweet you read he's willing to deport dreamers. that exacerbates the situation even more. he continues to dig a deeper and deeper hole instead of getting out of the hole he's in. >> better at digging than deal making. you heard it here first. >>> when we come back, the audacity of mike pence after the break. ♪ you should be mad they gave this guy a promotion. you should be mad at forced camaraderie. and you should be mad at tech that makes things worse. but you're not mad, because you have e*trade, who's tech makes life easier by automatically adding technical patterns on charts and helping you understand what they mean. don't get mad. get e*trade's simplified technical analysis. smile dad. i take medicat

. >> joining our discussion now, ron klain, a former senior adviser to joe biden and president obama and the former chief counsel of the senate judiciary committee. and claire mccaskill, former democratic senator from missouri who is now an msnbc political analyst. i won't ask you where your hideaway was in the senate. >> by the way, all senators have a mount. once they open the convention center. >> it used to just be the seniors. >> right. when they open the convention center, the new facility -- >> there's more space. >> they moved a lot of offices out of the capitol, which gave space for every senator to have a hideaway. >> let's just for a moment, it's not as bad as it sounds. >> no, it's not. >> a lot of productive work gets done by the senators in the hidea ways. it's where you can read, think, and occasionally take a nap in the middle of the night. >> most of the time it's use when we're voting late at night. >> because it's close to the floor. >> right. or if you need to do a quick meeting and you can't get all the way back over to your office and need to stay in the capitol

and ron klain, a former senior adviser to joe biden and president obama and a former chief counsel to the senate judiciary committee. ryan, ron, i want to start with you because i know you served on the senate staff when dan coats was there. your reaction to this direct insult from the president to dan coats, and then this move with chuck schumer tonight with a letter directly to dan coats telling him, as he put it, educate him. i mean, in effect asking dan coats to do the impossible, educate donald trump. >> yeah, look, i not only worked in the senate. i'm from indiana. i worked on campaigns against dan coats. in indiana politics, even his opponents wouldn't say something 1/10 of what his boss said about him today. that's outrageous. as for senator schumer's letter, i mean, look, i think it may be missing the point. this may not be an issue of donald trump being educated or donald trump just being a stubborn old real estate developer who still thinks that gold plating is the solution to all problems. donald trump, this may be the product of compromise, kompromat, corruption and collu

ron klain, former adviser to president obama. jon meacham, i want to start with you for the historical framing of this particular oval office address. i've already reported that it was used as a fund-raising event both before and after for the trump campaign. but also, this is the first time i've seen an address from the oval office requesting the preemption of entertainment programming on the broadcast networks for a president to simply announce his negotiationing position in a legislative struggle with congress in which there is a bipartisan support for the opposite position from the president's position. this is both a campaign event and simply an announcement of normal kind of legislative interaction that the president used this time for. >> how many times, lawrence, has something been the first time you've seen something in the past two years or so? there are a couple of thoughts here. one is, basically, it seems to me both the president and to some extent the democrats in responding by kind have violated a fundamental princ

joining us now ron klain, former senior advisor to vice president joe biden and president obama.lso national political reporter for "the washington post." matt, i want to start with you because you had reporting especially from michigan from areas -- you visited areas where donald trump has had pretty good support. and even in those places at crucial electoral college areas for donald trump, according to your reporting they're blaming the shutdown on donald trump. >> that's right. i spent a couple of days in michigan and suburban detroit. this is an area when we think of blue collar voters who swung the 2016 election to donald trump, these are the voters we're talking about. and many that i spoke to the concerns about president trump. republicans or democrats who swung and voted for president trump are concerned about him, and the shutdown is adding to that. they're worried about things it might do to an economy they so far felt pretty good about. and i think that is causing more anxiety, and they're saying it would take something miraculous for them to support president trump ag

ron klain, former adviser to president obama. meacham, i want to start with you for the historical framing of this particular oval office address. i've already reported that it was used as a fund-raising event both before and after for the trump campaign. but also, this is the first time i've seen an address from the oval office requesting the preemption of entertainment programming on the broadcast networks for a president to simply announce his negotiationing position in a legislative struggle with congress in which there is a bipartisan support for the opposite position from the president's position. this is both a campaign event and simply an announcement of normal kind of legislative interaction that the president used this time for. >> how many times, lawrence, has something been the first time you've seen something in the past two years or so? there are a couple of thoughts here. one is, basically, it seems to me both the president and to some extent the democrats in responding by kind have violated a fundamental principle

joining our discussion now ron klain and the former chief council for the senate judiciary committee,nd also david jolly from florida. and david jolly, i want to start with you because in the house tonight we had a total of seven republican defections. seven republicans voted for that package of spending bills, the six spending bills that had nothing to do with border security. five of them voted for that temporary funding of the department of homeland security while the border security issue gets argued about. what do you make of that total of seven defections from republicans in the house tonight? >> look, it's interesting on day one because nancy pelosi and house democrats did the right thing. and so there are fewer republican moderates in the house as a result of the losses on november 6th. but what we saw there are still republicans who know opening the government and reaching consensus on something that's already been agreed to is the right way forward. but spot on, they are triangulating mitch mcconnell. and the story this week and the next two years is going to be am mitch mcc

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pelosi's name is placed in nomination by hakeem jefferies her fellow house member, joining me is ron klain, a former white house aide under president obama and vice presidents gore and biden and we have to start here on the capitol hill here, and michael steele, former house speaker, and john carlson, commenter for the daily beast. and michael steele, you have witnessed this up close and personal, the handoff from nancy pelosi to john boehner, and bittersweet, but certainly collegial, and they had a pretty good relationship, didn't they? >> yes, they did. in the first day of any day, the time of congress is exciting time, and triumph of hope over experience, but it is an incredibly exciting day of the peaceful transfer of power from one party to another, and the the end of a era, and no longer will republicans control both ends of pennsylvania avenue and we have democratically elected democratic house of representatives and the president is not going to be challenged like he has in the past few years. >> and margaret, he is going to have difficulty? >> as he does with half h of the human r