the american people will be the last say and that's coming in november. >> i want to bring ron klain nto this discussion as a veteran staffer in the united states senate. ron, one of the things that shocked me about the revelation about cipollone today clearly he was standing there in the senate floor lying to these republican senators and democratic senators for days on end. and there was a time not that long ago when you and i were work in the senate where 100% of the senate would have been outraged by that. >> lawrence, it's kind of the point i was making before. which you see these senators, they've abandoned the senate as an institution and in the end for most republicans all but two at least, i think the calculus lamar alexander said today as he was leaving the senate, we don't care he did it, we don't care he's guilty, we just don't care. and i think if that's your mind-set that the end justifies the means which is really all that's saying the fact the president's lawyer, the white house counsel as chuck emphasized, i emphasized a public official stood in the well of the senate

are not doing the double-time work we should be doing to be getting ready for the inevitable. >> ron klain, head of the u.s. response to the ebola crisis during the obama administration. again, ron, i'm going to get you here, and i'm going to grill you for a long time. >> i look forward to it. >>> a lot more to get to tonight. stay with us. and my lack of impulse control, is about to become your problem. ahh no, come on. i saw you eating poop earlier. my focus is on the road, and that's saving me cash with drivewise. >>> one of the members of the jury was sick. one was traveling out of the country. but pretty much all of the rest of them showed up. they didn't have to. it was totally voluntary, but the person that they, the jury, had voted to convict, the president's longtime adviser roger stone, as well as the president himself, they were making wild public allegations against the jury, specifically against the forewoman of the jury from the roger stone trial, saying she was biased and bad and that's the only reason roger stone was convicted, and he should therefore have his conviction th

joining us now is ron klain. chief of staff to vice president al gore and vice president joe biden. mr. klain, it's great to have you here. at some point i'm going to get you here at the desk with me in new york and we are going to have a long talk about how this is all supposed to go. but tonight let me just ask you point blank if you are worried about how the trump administration is handling this crisis thus far. >> of course i am. i mean, i think anything that could be done wrong probably has been done wrong. that starts with the president himself continuing to make inaccurate statements, inaccurate statements about the consequences of the policies adopted, inaccurate statements about the pace of vaccine development, about the likely spread of the disease in the united states. and you couple that with the announcement today, the implementation of a decision to silence our senior public health officials. people like tony fauci who won the presidential medal of freedom, the world's leading person on infectious d

and ron klain will be here, who served as president obama's ebola czar. let's start with the coronavirus and wall street. we have a lot of developments this morning. first of all, a northern california woman is on a ventilator. she didn't travel to china, she had no known exposure to anybody with the virus in the first place. you have got the world health organization saying that the coronavirus has spread to 50 countries with nigeria and new zealand the latest. we're following new reporting on a complaint from a whistle-blower who claims some federal workers didn't have proper protective gear. dominic chu from cnbc is with us. hans nichols at the white house and jo lin kent. after the wild ride 24 hours ago it seems like we're in it for and so are the markets again this morning. what's going on? >> i thought it would abate just a bit. it was this time yesterday that you and i were talking about the massive move lower in stocks only to see a rebound in the midday and sell off aggressively into the closing bell. down almost 1,200 points. that by the way ha

joe biden is chief of sf the basically ran the ebola situation for us here in the united states, ron klain, and he did a phenomenal job. that's one example of joe biden understands what it means to govern. he understands the district like mine where we're trying to rebuild the manufacturing base, try to get good paying jobs. i think he's going to be the guy. i think you have a nice win in south carolina and then i think we will be off and running. i'm really excited about it because i just think, i watch these videos of him interacting and i seen him do this but watch and interacting with maybe kids who stutter are some who lost someone to cancer, and just, i mean, his heart is just like right at for everybody to see. i think that's with the country needs right now, right we need heart. we have enough knowledge, , enoh data. we need a president that show some heart and i think he's going to be able to cut through a lot of the noise with his and his life story and understand, like jim clyburn said, we know joe, but joe knows us. i just think that's going to be the secret sauce. >> host: i k

. >> lawrence, in reading that story i was reminded of something i learned from ron klain, the formerebola czar who i worked during the ebola epidemic in 2015 and 2016. he said the first casualties of any epidemic is rational thinking. we learned there was an antidote to that irrational thinking. it was information, it was facts, it was truth. and that is why far from muzzled people like tony fauci and his fellow experts we used to joke we needed to clone them. we wanted them out there every day, all day speaking the facts, offering context, offering perspective because their knowledge gleaned over the course of decades of epi-demeoloyg. course of decades of study was in fact helpful to the public to understand this. now, of course, here's the proof of that. in september 2014 the cdc actually put out a report that really spoke to the cdc's own data. it said that within a year there would be up to 1.4 million cases of ebola in west africa. now, obviously this caused a bit of consternation. the cdc felt it needed to step out and in doing so it provided an opportunity to speak to how the

. >> i saw ron klain, the ebola czar, and i think you were advising him during all of that. look, all the measures taken so far are to buy time. >> yeah. >> it's sort of gotten out of china. we're using the time to do what. what should we be doing? >> one, make sure we have an effective test that can be distributed worldwide. a couple of weeks ago our own cdc distributed defective tests. they had to bring them all back. there is no timeline when they're going to send out appropriate kits. that's number one. >> we don't have a comprehensive test that is available? >> we have it in tiny quantities, but the states don't have it, cdc has it. >> gotcha. >> we need the vaccine to prevent this disease. we're nine to 12 months from getting that done, which is obviously a real problem. the third thing is, people are working on this, we don't have a specific anti-viral medication. we talked about tamiflu for the bird flu. all of the treatment for severely ill people is quote, unquote, supportive. you go in a hospital bed, may get a mechanical ventilator. >> and get ivs. >> things like

medicine and bellevue hospital and she's the host of this new podcast epidemic with former ebola czar ron klainmely as ever, we'll be tuning in. in the meantime, let me run through some of these viewer questions. a viewer wants to know what supplies should i buy? >> so i would definitely have some alcohol-based hand sanitizer above 60% alcohol content. you want to have it in your purse, in your back pacs all over the place. the first thing you do when you come home from work is do that. i've been doing that for years but i work at a hospital. another key thing we were asking during the break about medications, so things like ibuprofen, tylenol, a lot of medications actually either the ingredients that are used to make medications or the medications themselves are from china, so one thing i would do is call your doctor if you are on prescription medications, ask them for like a 90-day instead of a 30-day supply. make sure you have refills. have that stuff on hand. there may be some disruptions in supply as well as getting into your doctor's office. >> that is such a solid piece of advice. >> sec

ron klain is a well-known political official. i've talked to him many times. he is not someone who had health care experience going into that role. you need someone who can get things done and coordinate across the government and make tough decisions. mike pence may be able to do that, he may not be able to do that. i guess we have to wait and see. >> i guess we will. dan, thanks so much for talking with us. appreciate it. >> thank you, rosemary. >>> well, the virus has now spread from china to every continent except antarctica and on wednesday for the first time since the outbreak began, there were more new cases reported outside mainland china than inside. in south korea the number of infections has jumped to almost 1600. now the u.s. and south korea are postponing joint military exercises until further notice so let's go live to soul with cnn's paula hancock. paula, as a sign of just how seriously south korea is taking this outbreak it is now canceling these joint drills with the u.s. what more are you learning about that? >> reporter: well, rosemary it app

she also happens to cohost a new podcast about the coronavirus along with ron klain who importantly ran the u.s. response during the ebola outbreak. susan page, washington bureau chief for "usa today," best-selling author. hard at work on a buy iography house speaker nancy pelosi. and john heilemann, national cohost of "the circus" on show time. thanks for being here, everybody. i would like to begin with you. walk me through the danger of the president of the united states saying there's 15 patients, calling this a hoax, and his chief of staff saying this is not ebola. >> let's break that down. in terms of the number of cases, we are massively undertesting in this country. we've performed less than 500 tests for coronavirus in the u.s. south korea, for example, which is a much smaller nation has performed 65,000 tests. so they have a much better sense for what is circulating in the community. calling this a hoax, that's exactly the language that was used by west african leaders and people in the community back during ebola, and that was really an effort to politicize the problem and no

and just for some precedent here, ron klain of course who was the ebola czar under obama said he was the white house response coordinator in 2014, '15. we never told the nih what they could say, never censored their medical statements, if the white house is doing that now, that is a danger to public health. do you agree with that? >> well, this is exactly right. there's no problem in having a coordinated message so long as the coordinated message is coming from the scientists and from the health care experts. instead what you have is the health care experts and scientists having to filter their information through the political lens of mike pence and the white house. and we saw this problem earlier in the week where whenever the scientists told us one thing, they warned us about the growing threat to communities of the virus, you would have kudlow and the folks in the white house saying, no, they pretty much have it contained. you had the political folks saying we have a vaccine that's just around the corner. then you have people like fauci saying, well, no, really it takes about a y

we have heard from epidemiologists and ron klain who headed up the u.s.'tion and handling of the ebola virus and yesterday we had another hearing with the director of the cdc dr. redfield and leadership of the state department, and a so we have had a broad group of witnesses coming before the committee about what we are seeing and how we should be reacting, and it is a priority that we have a singular point person who is driving u.s. engagement on this issue. it is a global public health crisis. other countries are engaged. it is a issue of diplomacy and issue of public health, a we need someone who is leading the charge on this. i do find it difficult that we in the president's decision to put the vice president in charge of this. the vice president is engaged as the vice president, and this is a 24/7 job. i would have preferred that there be someone appointed to this position to focus on coordinating our engagement and our outreach and our response and frankly communication to the american people. what we have heard in my office and i represent central v

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president obama when he was dealing with ebola put ron klain in charge, and he had the authority to make it happen and he did not go on fund-raising trips to florida, and if you are looking back, there was not a political conference popping off how the media is xraj rexaggera this. and mick mulvaney has no idea where this is going, and he should be saying that we are -- >> like declaring a national health emergency which was done five weeks ago. >> and who did he put in charge five weeks ago? >> alex azar, the head of the national health and human services. >> and what happened? >> and rammed it up like you guys wanted -- >> and what do you mean, you guys? what do you mean. you think that mick mulvaney is -- >> i will tell you what i mean. >> you know it is exasperated. >> you said that we can't trust this president, and we can't trust him, and so we come from a place of not trusting, and i can't trust democrats in the time of the crisis when we need bipartisan people come together and have faith in what they are working oand work in good faith, you people saying how can we possibly trus

. >> it led to ron klain saying anybody who knows how many cases they have is not telling the truth because they're not testing enough to know. and what happens is now the states are starting to push back and say, we can test. these are sophisticated states, california, new york. many states across the country have the capability to do this. they're being told no. that's the next piece of the puzzle. thank you for burning calories today, making phone calls. it's the fear of the unknown that will create panic that we do not need. appreciate it, brother. so california, 8,400 cases monitored. they have to meet these weird federal criteria for being able to test when they could do it themselves. why? so we check here in new york state, right? not 8,400 cases or anything, but they're getting reports of people who are getting the symptoms, they don't meet the criteria. so we get the commissioner from new york to come in, tell us what's happening here, what makes sense and what doesn't just in terms of understanding the problem. next. 5g will change business in america. t-mobile has the first and

so there is no czar, and the former ebola czar, ron klain put it this way, and i thought it was an apt way to describe it. he said running this response is not like driving an uber. you don't do it for a couple of hours a day. >> i'm listening to you, and i'm just -- okay. there's also been kaitlan, criticism that the fact that the president put mike pence at the head of this outbreak response. gloria and i were talking about this yesterday. we know that mike pence is down in florida fund-raising for the gop. is his eye on the ball? >> yeah, he had several of these fundraisers already on the schedule, and what will be interesting going forward is he is often someone who goes out to diners in states like pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, kind of doing this, you know, campaigning that the president typically doesn't do where they take bus tours and go across the states. so it will be interesting to see if that remains on the vice president's schedule as he is now in charge of this. they kept these fundraisers today. you notice they also added a briefing on coronavirus with the governor of fl

joining me now ron klain. this is the man -- you've seen him many times on this show but not for this reason. he was put in charge of the federal government's response to the ebola virus by president obama in 2014. also joining us someone we're all getting to know fairly well, laurie garrett, pulitzer prize-winning reporter covering global pandemics. ron, i wish i knew where to start on this thing, but i think the most important thing is that americans, everybody in the world really wants their government to give them guidance on this thing because half of this is science and half of this is psychology and behavior and whether you can trust that your government is in charge of stuff. we have two problems on that front. one is we have lots of reasons not to trust donald trump. think sharpie ggate or the 15 other thousand lies that he's told. and we have real reasons to wonder whether mike pence is the guy who should be in charge of this given that he has spoken and written about needle exchanges not preventing

whether vice president pence is actually going to devote his full time to this, you know, when ron klain was doing this during ebola and the obama administration, you know, it was 24/7 for him and his staff. >> yeah. >> and so i don't know how committed the vice president's going to be to really taking this on. >> dr. peter hotez, that was extremely informative. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> ahead, new data suggesting the bloomberg campaign may be stalling. what the trajectory of his campaign tells us about the state of the democratic party, next. yes. the first word to any adventure. but when allergies and congestion strike, take allegra-d... a non-drowsy antihistamine plus a powerful decongestant. so you can always say "yes" to putting your true colors on display. say "yes" to allegra-d. about the colonial penn program. here to tell you to putting your true colors on display. if you're age 50 to 85 and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three p's. what are the three p's? the three p's of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a

ron klain was competent in dealing with the ebola virus of we know that a vaccine is a year out. that's just the facts. we know there's not an anti-viral, so what can we do? we can get everyone tested and we can make sure if they need to be cured, that it's free. we ought to be be putting $15 million on getting that done. >> that's the number? >> that's the number. why aren't we calling the experts in and the technology leaders in? i would say appoint someone who knows what they're doing to get this done, that's your best shot at re-election, actually, and you don't want him to get elected. >> that's exactly the point though. right, in that way it's like -- [ applause ] right. the incentive should be aligned for him. don't worry about the market or the fed or the tax cuts. if you handle this well, that will help you politically. >> in many ways, this is the first real world crisis this administration is facing, and this is the first test of donald trump's leadership skills where it really matters because lives are on the line on a world stage. what we're seeing from him is him co

in this case, ron klain, who was putting together for the president. and so the only problem i have here is that it doesn't seem as though, and i didn't catch the whole news conference, but what i saw was, there was a slight difference between dr. fauci, who is a really first-rate guy, and the president's assertion, don't worry, it's all done. as a matter of fact, while this was going on, there was a virus that occurred in the united states that was spread in the united states, not from someone coming from outside the united states. and so it is a concern and i think it's important that we understand that you have to have a president in charge -- the last point i'll make, and i know we're going to get a lot of questions, is that what we did, what i would do if i were president now, i would not be taking china's word for it. i would insist that china allow our scientists in to make a hard determination of how it started, where it's from, how far along it is. because that is not happening now. and that should be -- we should be allowed to do that and the

copy the worst traits of china from the early stages of this crisis. >> you know, steve mentioned ron klainghly competent high who worked in the obama administration and the ebola crisis which was handled nearly perfectly when it arose. it's not a very much to think that the way this is going, we just showed the clip of one member of the trump administration with no answers, it's not a stretch to think that this election could turn on the issue of competence in the trump administration so far has been incompetent on so many different levels, but when you're incompetent when it's a threat to people's health, when you're wondering about could your four-year-old child get the coronavirus, what would the affects be, what would the percentages be for his or her survival, when people start wore yeg about competence when dealing with a health issue nationwide this could turn something. >> you have john kennedy a guy who has blindly followed donald trump over the past several months understanding, wait a second, this could actually -- >> this could be bad. >> -- kill a lot of people in the state of

in 2014, president obama made the smart decision to appoint ron klain tootled an interagency subpoenas to the outbreak. president trump, in contrast, has hallowed out so many agencies that one of the key figures responding to coronavirus is ken kook necessarilyly, an immigrant hard liberian with no experience in public health. unbelievable. totally unprepared for coronavirus, an i had log, a right-wing nasty i had log who's spent his career kicking around immigrants is now in charge of our fight with coronavirus. this is after the president cut c.d.c., eliminated the global held security units and homeland security and at the n.s.c., and we are in trouble. president trump has not only failed to marshal a capable domestic response to the coronavirus, he's been slow to take action to confront the virus abroad. we all know that the best thing to do is to stop it from spreading abroad before it spreads to these united states. and, of course, the president, ego above anything else, has been afraid to criticize president xi or the communist party of china for silencing dissent and obscuring

of course ron klain, who is on vice president's campaign, was running the task force. >> yeah. >> soust saw he purchased three minutes of air time on major networks to sort of give his own presidential address, if you will, to address the coronavirus. i mean people are capitalizing on this because they are seeing trump not handle it well. >> yeah. >> and they're looking at his numbers start to decline among -- maybe not his base, but among independents who are very concerned about president trump sitting in that white house while this epidemic, you know, happens. >> absolutely. we should not forget there are other candidates in the race. we'll see what happens with pete buttigieg tonight, elizabeth warren tonight, amy klobuchar, and tom steyer. we will keep an eye on all of it. thank you. adrienne is going to come back with me in a little bit. we're going to try to warm up over the break. we're just over an hour away from the polls closing in the palmetto state. coming up, we will make some bold predictions about tonight's primary in the palmetto state. stick around. over here? oven