rosen. mr. rosen: of course. rep. connolly: there is also a formal process for executive privilege which you have not invoked. let me say, madame chairwoman, i disavow comments made about the nature of the insurrection. rewriting history serves no purpose other than to cover up the violence and brutality we experienced on generate six. a shame for america and this congress. revisionist history serves no purpose but to cover that up and protect that brutality and violence. i yield back. rep. maloney: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from ohio, mr. jordan, is recognized for five minutes. rep. jordan: by january 6, 2017 17, was it appropriate for democrats to object to the 2016 presidential election results? mr. rosen: congressman, i think the things that are appropriate or inappropriate for congress to do --all members and all the rest of us have to adhere to the constitution and so i'm going to say that is an issue for you as members of congress. rep. jordan: we appreciate your service. i am asking you -- they

aid to rosen might have seen these phone calls. generally seeing speaking, you don't take notes of things that are meaningful. the notes that are there, does that say something about the attorney general's state of mind? >> i do think there was a great deal of caution and concern at the justice department at this time. and i think the notes reflect a really tricky tight rope that senior justice department officials were trying to walk at that time which was, in their minds, they have to take the call, they have to talk to the president. but they also don't want to be pushed or shoved, or even wrongly told that they have to go take trump side in these fights. a lot of what was described to us, a lot of these conversations involve the president saying things that he's concerned about, things he's upset about, and the acting attorney general jeff rosen said, okay, i hear you mister president, don't worry, we will investigate any serious allegations. and trying to change the subject at times and, frankly, not succeeding at that. >> so

rosen. but let me tell you why this is important.trump about the results of the election has been bought into by so many americans who are desperate to believe they never should have left the white house. and if we're going to put any truth to dispel the rumors, we've got to come out with a complete record. nancy pelosi is doing it on january 6th. we need to do the same about president trump's antics in the weeks preceding the departure from the white house. >> let's switch gears for a moment if i can. two weeks ago a federal judge in texas ruled that the daca program for undocumented migrants brought to the u.s. as children was illegal and it had to stop accepting applications. you're a leading proponent of the dream act to protect the folks. here's what you had to say in march about efforts to get that passed. watch. >> the vast majority of americans have all political faiths support it. and, yet, i brought it to the floor five times and stopped by the filibuster five times from passing it. i had a majority. i didn't have 60 votes.

we suspect jeffery rosen will ask for testimony from.m, woill see if they assert executive privilege. keep in mind, the former president can still try to go to court and try to block some of the testimony and try to claim executive privilege. at this point, the justice department is not standing in the way. there are a few more steps before we get to that day. >> may i jump in? >> hang on. joining us now. >> i need to ask a question. the attorney general for president biden is known and respected by some, although not by progressives, as being conservative when it comes to such things. being an institutionalist. declining to -- the personal lawsuit. against donald trump in which the biden administration sided with trump on the precedent and principle. do you think they would have done this to biden without jeffery rosen's approval? >> i think you are on to something there. i suspect you have witnesses who are willing to testify and that's a big deal during the trump years you had witnesses if they wanted, could have answered questions. t

that very important, you can see, in rosen's public and praft statements. >> yes. devlin barrett, thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> donald trump's request for the justice department to sigh the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me sounds a lot like his request the ukrainian president said in his first impeachment who said, quote, i would like you to do us a favor, though. he was more desperate to misstate his q. because these were his people. daniel goldman served in the first impeachment trial of president trump, prior to that, the southern district of new york and he joins me now. i am struck by the similarities here, particularly that line that is so damming. just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me. what's your reaction to that? >> yeah, you are exactly right, chris. it's the more desperate, more extreme and more untethered donald trump trying to cheat or in this case overturn the election. the ukraine impeachment was all about donald trump trying to cheat in the 2020 election. he had won the 2016 election using russian interference. he wa

rosen.it is. >> part of-- prior to january 6 were you instructed by president trump to advance election fraud claims or to seek to overturn any part of the 2020 election results? >> well, congressman, as i just eluded to in your prior question, i can tell you what the actions of the department were -- >> no, sir, no, sir. mr. rosen -- >> i cannot tell you -- >> mr. rosen -- >> about private conversations with the president one way or the other. >> it is pretty incredible the way he answered it. i can tell you the actions of the department. he wanted to highlight i didn't do what he asked me to do but i won't tell you what the ask was, i'll make it clear i never said anything about, you know, the election was corrupt, you know, and leave the rest to me. but it is -- what could the repercussions be? sorry, go ahead, congressman. >> it's important to note he never did invoke privilege. he was perfectly free in may to answer my question in a fort wright manner and he had an obligation to do so.

rosen and donahue had to know that this was going to be front and center for trump after barr left.since september, october, plus after the election. this is what trump was singularly focused on, finding a way to use this lie to overturn the election, and now we have these notes. >> that's absolutely right. and i know exactly how those gentlemen felt. i know what it's like to have your boss leave or get fired in my case and then know that the pressure of the presidency is about to come down upon you, as it did to them and as it certainly did to me. >> you're referring to when the president fired james comey. >> that's exactly right. but i think this time line raises questions for barr knowing that the department was under assault from the white house, being pushed to support this conspiracy to overturn the election might not have been a good idea to stick around and help them withstand that attack. >> the key quote here, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman later in those notes references a number of these republican congressmen b

in rosen's testimony before congress, back in may. he made a point of spelling out all the things he did not do, in that time period. and i think, in hindsight, now that we know about these phone calls, i think in hindsight that testimony stands out more clearly as rosen sort of trying to draw a line for people, even though he didn't feel he could say it publicly. of look, whatever was said to me, whatever, you know, was brought my way, i did not go down the road that some of these folks wanted us to go down. >> great reporting. important reporting that this -- that may be before us in a matter of days, as congress investigates january 6th and the accusations about election fraud. "washington post" reporter out with this breaking news tonight. thanks for being here, devin. >>> all right. here is a question for you. do you remember how january 6th started? i mean, do you remember the first thing that happened that day? we all know where the day ended up, with a violent insurrection at the u.s. capitol. and we know that, right before th

we know he called on rosen. it's possible in a matter of days those notes may be produced.r generally speaking you don't take notes that you don't think are going to be meaningful. was the attorney general receiving notes almost daily from the then defeated president of the united states still in office? >> right.ed i think there was some concern. the notes reflect a tricky tightrope that senior justice officials were trying to walk at that time. they had to take, in their minds, the call. they have to talk to the president. but they, also, don't want to be sort of pushed or shoved or -- o or even wrongly, you know, told that they have to go, you know, take trump's side in these fights. and so, a lot -- what -- what ft was described to us is a lot of these conversations involved the president saying the things he's concerned about. the things he is upset about. and the acting-attorney generale jeff rosen, saying, uh-huh, uh-huh, okay. i hear you, mr. president. don't worry. we will -- we will investigate any, se

there are notes of some of the calls that were written by a top aide to rosen, richard donohue. the note could be turned over to congress in a matter of days. the phone calls came in late 2020 and early 2021 which trump and his aides were furiously pressing for officials at all levels of government to intervene in the election results. phil, you cover those final weeks in your book. what was going on in the administration and do you expect these notes might end up in the hands of the january 6 commission? >> chris, i think it's really telling that these notes exist and that they could end up in congress in the coming days. i think that's important. and we should keep an eye on that. but in terms of the broader context here, ever since the november 3 election, trump was pressuring bill barr, the attorney general, to do just what you described with rosen, calling him every day and pestering him about whatever conspiracies he heard from rudy giuliani or from sidney powell, the lawyer, are or from mike lindell, the pillow guy, or on fox news. anything he heard that he thought could

according to these notes, rosen told him, look, that's not the way this works.ers and change the outcome here. this is a really extraordinary example of how the former president was applying pressure to an agency that was supposed to be independent of the white house as part of his wide ranging campaign to delegitimize the election results. these will be under investigation at the hill. >> i suspect they will be called to testify before the select committee. on another legal matter, the justice department today said that trump's tax returns, which democrats in congress have been fighting to get for, what, two years or so, they can be made available. >> that's right. this has been a long-simmering legal dispute. but today the justice department ordered the treasury department to turn over trump's tax returns to congress. the house ways and means committee requested these documents over two years ago. and the trump justice department tried to cast doubt on whether they had a legitimate reason for requesting these documents. it is not clear whether he will go to co

barr ended up resigning from office in mid december, and jeffrey rosen succeeded him as acting attorney general. and a new information that my colleagues are reporting tonight is that trump continued that pressure campaign almost immediately with rosen and it was a daily series of pressured tactics. phone calls, and other outreach from trump and other people at the white house up until joe biden got in not rated as president. to try to find the evidence to support these conspiratorial and baseless claims of election fraud. of, course the evidence did not exist. >> stay tuned allowed to come on that. phil rocker, not just bestselling author, but new number one new york times tonight, as of tonight. congratulations, we are not worthy, but we appreciate you being with us. lisa lerer and kavita patel thank you for being here. and coming up, it's going bad to worse in the western state again. we'll talk to a doctor who says the infection rate is so high, contraction covid there is inevitable if you haven't been vaccinated. and later, republicans finally urging vaccinations but is anybody lis

rosen cannot invoke it. even if trump tries to go to court, and nobody can stop him from doing that, the judges should say, hey, there's no executive privilege here. moreover, you don't have standing to be here. this is a matter between the current department of justice and rosen. they've told him to start talking. they've told him he can't invoke it, and we have the reporting that you've just mentioned that it was a daily harangue, every conversation improper between trump and rosen. that would be exactly the kind of information we haven't had to date and it would be a wealth of, i think, damning testimony about what trump was doing between the election and january 6th. >> donna edwards, let me read you a little bit more about what could -- if harry's analysis sort of holds and rules the day, strengthen congress's hand. the justice department letter noted even former officials are obligated to protect nonpublic information. they learned in the course of their work and that they generally do not allow former

trump also hinted at firing rosen and replacing him with an official supportive of his big lie.le tell me jeff clark is great. i should put him in. people want me to replace d.o.j. leadership." how egregious is what we're learning about what is in these notes? >> the american people deserve to know and they ought to be angry, infuriated that the president of the united states tried to overthrow an election by using the department of justice, the very agency that is responsible for enforcing the law. >> reporter: according to the notes, the acting a.g. pushed back, saying, "the d.o.j. can't and won't snap its fingers and change the outcome of the election." the revelations about mr. trump's pressure campaign come as the house committee investigating the january 6 attack is preparing to call new witnesses, possibly some from the trump administration. will there be dozens of subpoenas? >> there will be quite a few. >> reporter: and tonight, democrats here in the capitol may be one step closer to getting their hands on former president trump's tax returns. that's because the departm

let's say he had called rosen at the department of justice. and rosen had done his bidding. um, or someone had done his bidding or -- or trump put his guy in place and did their -- what -- what would the effect of that be? end of december, 2020. department of justice comes out and says what trump wants 'em to say. the elections were corrupt. what do you think happens in -- in an instance like that? >> that would have been disastrous, ali. you know, basically, what it would have done is thrown the whole election aftermath into even more chaos. and it would have been the prelude for, basically, going to each of the state capitols which they, already, were doing, the trump folks. and basically, asking them to basically undo the decertification or decertify their elections. and, of course, it would have provided more grist for what they were doing on january 6th. to me, this call -- you know, it's almost like donald trump -- you know, if this were a bank heist, you know, donald trump was basically telling people, okay. justice department, you drive this car. crash it through the

rosen was targeted along with his synagogue in austria. made from the bricks of the synagogue destroyed in 1938 defaced. >> after this attack, those warnings of my grandparents kind of flashed back and this made me very, very sorry and brought tears into my heart and my face. >> reporter: a few days later just outside the synagogue, rosen was chased by a man wielding a baseball bat but managed to get back into his car just in time. >> i've been physically attack ed it is different than being verbally attacked which i'm used to because anti-semitism has risen in the last year. >> reporter: in to 20 anti-semitic incidents in austria reached their highest level since the country began keeping records 90 years ago. incidents rose as much as 30% according to a german watchdog. protesters demonstrating against restrictions held signs depicting forced vaccinations by jews and two men were shouted at. whenever there has a pandemic they have come to the fore again. >> reporter: anti-semitic attacks have been rising for years. from a deadly standoff

ellie rosen knows what hate can breed.ust, they always warned him to keep his head down because more would come. last august, they were right. rosen was targeted, its walls made from the bricks of the synagogue in 1938 defaced. >> after this attack, those warnings of my grandparents have kind of flashed back. and this made me very, very sorry. and brought tears into my heart and on my face. >> reporter: a few days later, just outside the synagogue, rosen was chased by a man wielding a baseball bat that managed to get back in his car just in time. >> certainly, i was scared. going through the attack, it's a dimension that's different than being verbal attacked. which i'm used to because anti-semitism has risen within the last year. >> reporter: in 2020, anti-semitic incidents in austria reached their highest level since the country began with the record 30 years ago. and it's risen 30% according to the wastchdog. it's blamed on covid-19 lockdown restrictions. he held signs of forced vaccinations by jews and people who blame

, other things we maybe thought was going on but these notes actually show that trump is badgering rosenue, leave the rest to me and the gop congressman. i mean, how was this man supposed to unfold, you think? >> well, that's a great question, laura. i mean, it obviously the contemporaneous notes are an artifact, a piece of evidence of unassa unasalable quality. they have a habit of taking notes. here he is in a meeting with his boss, the attorney general and important phone call with the president of the quunited state. things are preserved and ultimately revealed to us. they really give us an insight what he was thinking, what president trump said, what they responded to those comments by the president and, you know, you have to imagine that this was -- i'm sorry, you doesn't have to imagine, it's perfectly clear this was an effort by the president to just get the department of justice to start this conspiracy to go public with this pbaseless claim the election was corrupt and he was confident that the republicans in congress would then take the ball from there and really move this thi

and the conversation was december 27th, i believe, it was with acting attorney general rosen. was he acting attorney general? because bill barr had quit or been fired ten days before. because he was not a shrieking violet in pushing the edge of of the envelope, knew he couldn't stay because of what he was about to be asked to do. rosen gets fired and gets replaced by a lower-level assistant attorney general who trump thought would do his bidding. mark esper, the defense secretary had been fired after the week of the election. think of this in a foreign country. the defense secretary fired a bunch of cronies. it's lucky that even though esper was gone, mark milley held the line are defense, it's lucky that deputy -- acting attorney general rosen seems to have held the line at justice, but the degree to which this was a genuine attempt by a sitting president. and he is still the leader of the republican party and is going about purging the people at the state level who also checked his usurpation. >> the guardrails held this time. >> right. and that's what's terrifying to me. if

senator rosen. senator rosen: perfect.nk you very much, senator klobuchar, and thank you everyone for being here today and springing this hearing is much needed, and i think it's the first of many. but i'd like to start off by expressing that my thoughts are with the brave capitol police officers. they put their lives on the line to protect us on january 6th and their heroic actions like the ones of eugene goodman, they redirected those violent rioters away from us. they're going to forever be embedded in our minds. and know that so many of these courageous men and women, they're really hurting in the aftermath of the insurrection. and i've been particularly heartbroken to hear about the death of capitol police officer howard levengood. he was protecting the senate since 2005. he was stationed by the door of my office. my prayers are with him and his family and his loved ones. when the insurrectionists, when they came to storm our capitol on january 6th, they came armed not only with weapons, but also with hate. mere weeks

. >> reporter: elie rosen knows all about where hate can lead.ived the holocaust and always warned him to keep his head down because there might be more to come. last august they were proved right. rosen was targeted along with his synagogue in the austrian city of grantz, its walls destroyed in 1938 defaced. >> after this attack, those warnings of my grandparents flashed back and made me very, very sorry and brought tears into my heart. >> reporter: a few days later outside the synagogue, rosen was chased by a man wielding a baseball bat but managed to get back in his car just in time. >> certainly i was scared, being physically attacked, it is a dimension that is different than being verbal attack, which i'm used to, because anti semitism has risen within the last year. >> reporter: in 2020, anti semitic incidents in austria reached their highest levels since the country began keeping records 19 years ago and in germany, incidents rose as muches a30% according to a german watch dog. of the rise is blamed on harsh covid-19 lockdown restrictions.

but these notes, actually, show that trump is badgering rosen and donoghue.s plan supposed to unfold, you think? >> well, that's a great question, laura. i mean, it's, obviously, the contemporaneous notes are a -- an artifact, a piece of evidence of unassailable quality. right? these are -- especially, any, good attorney who has a habit of taking notes during important phone calls and meetings. here he is in a meeting with his boss, the attorney general, and on an important phone call with the president of the united states. he takes notes. that is a normal course of business. and those things are, of course, then preserved and, ultimately, revealed to us. so they really give us an insight into what he was thinking, what president trump said. what they responded to those comments by the president. and, you know, you have to imagine that this was -- i'm sorry, you don't have to imagine -- it's perfectly clear. this was an effort, by the president, to just get the department of justice to start this conspiracy. to go public with this baseless claim that the --

rosen was targeted, along with his synagogue in the austrian city.the bricks of the synagogue destroyed in 1938, defaced. >> after this attack, those warnings of my grandparents have this made me very, very sorry and brought tears into my heart and to my face. >> reporter: a few days later just outside the synagogue rosen was chased by a man wielding a baseball bat but managed to get back into his car just in time. >> certainly i was scared of being physically attacked. it is a dimension different than being verbal attacked, which i'm used to because anti-semitism has risen within the last year. >> reporter: in 2020 anti-semitic incidents in austria reached their highest level since the country began keeping records 19 years ago. and in germany incidents rose as much as 30% according to a german watchdog. much of the rise in both countries is being blamed on harsh covid-19 lockdown restrictions. protesters demonstrating against the restrictions held signs depicting forced vacfor the pandemic. >> i think that anti-semitic conspiracies have been there

play this out for me, that say that he called rosen at the department of justice, and rosen had done bidding, or someone had done his bidding. or trump put his guy in place. well with the effect of that be? end of december, 2020, department of justice comes out and says why trump wants them to say, the elections were corrupt. what do you think happens in an instance like that? >> that would've been disastrous, ali. basically, what it would've done is thrown the whole election aftermath into even more chaos. and it would've been the prelude for basically going to each of the state capitals, which they already were doing, the trump folks, and basically asking them to undo the decertification -- or decertify the elections. and of course it would've provided more risks for what they were doing on january six. for me, this call -- it's almost like donald trump, if this were a bank heist, trump trump was telling people, justice department, you drive this car, crashed through the windows of the bank window, and evolved, and i'll take it from here. so much damage would've happened had the ju

rosen with us was targeted, along with his synagogue in the austrian city. of the synagogue destroyed in 1938 defaced. >> after this attack, those warnings of my grand parents have kind of flash back. and just made me very, very sorry, and brought tears to my heart and -- or to my face. >> reporter: two days later just outside the synagogue, rosen was chased by a man wielding a baseball bat. that managed to get back into his car, just in time. >> certainly, i was scared being physically attacked. is a dimension that is different than being verbal attacked, which i am used to because anti-semitism has risen within the last year. >> reporter: in 2020, anti-semitic incidents in austria reached their highest level since the country began keeping records 19 years ago. and in germany, incidents rose as much as 30%, according to a german watchdog. much of the rise in both countries is being blamed on harsh covid-19 lockdown restrictions. protestors demonstrating against the restrictions held signs depicting forced vaccination by jews and two people in berlin were s

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and all indications are that rosen wants to testify.t be surprised if secretary esper, the defense secretary at the time gets called into this. i think there are people who are not kool-aid drinking trump people who are absolutely critical to this. >> the washington post reports today that trump was calling jeffrey rosen when he was acting attorney general, like every day from the 14th to the 6th, trying to stir up the big election lie here. >> if rosen wants to talk that would be a big deal. a huge deal. >> john king, great to see you. >> good morning. >> go red sox. >> inside the park home run. >> we'll see you at noon, "inside politics." >> inside the park home run yesterday, that's all brianna wants to talk about. >> like in the commercial break i didn't exist. they were so into talking about this. bobble head. >>> up next, inside the park, and the partisan deal just reached on infrastructure. what's in it and what's the plan to pay for it. we're going to speak to a senator involved in the talks. >>> and simone biles thanking suppor

he called rosen apparently time after time after time. rosen, the acting attorney general.he's threatening them with the loss of their jobs, also. so this is a very serious conversation. and he's telling them to lie, to congress and to the american people, and to defraud the american people, so that he can grasp control of the presidency, which he lost in a fair and free election. >> you brought up a very interesting point there. he did suggest that he could put his on people in and replace them, to which they responded. you can do that. you're not going to get the outcome you need. that is an important consideration. thanks both of you. barbara mcquade, thank you. former four-term congressman elizabeth holtzman, great to see you again. thank you for watching. you can catch me back here tomorrow morning from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. eastern on "velshi." a very special edition of "the saturday show" with jonathan capehart starts right now. >>> good morning. i'm jonathan capehart. tiffany cross is off this morning. we begin this saturday with lawmakers in a push to propose a revise

jeffrey rosen. rosen who was put in place of william barr who stepped down tried repeatedly to change the subject. on monday, the justice department ordered rosen to turn over any information he may have had regarding the turnover of the 2020 election. they're filing a motion to block the records from becoming public. >>> a new executive order looks to combat the rising number of cyber attacks targeting america's infrastructure. president biden signed the order yesterday. it requires companies to meet a set of security standard like encrypting data and requiring two-factor authentication, but the white house is limited in what action it can take. with so much of america's infrastructure run by private companies. >> still ahead, new mask-wearing guidance by the cdc has many americans and elected officials struggling to find common ground. we'll bring in a health expert. >>> before we go to break, we want to know, why, just why, are you awake? email your reasons to way too early at meb meb or tweet me

. >> reporter: restaurant owner sally rosen still on edge after a magnitude 6 earthquake rolled througher in eastern california. she and her 2-year-old taking cover with aftershocks still happening. >> even last night it was pretty stressful. neither my partner or i got much sleep because of how just the aftershocks continued and poerfrom aggressive . shaking in arnold to swaying in san francisco, the usgs reports the magnitude 6 antelope valley earthquake was wide reaching with nearly 15,000 reporting they felt it. even behind the wheel near the california/nevada border a spectacle, a large amount of dust launched into the air during the rattle. the people in this car processing the scene. >> it was an earthquake. >> how do you know? >> because the tires went a little funny. >> reporter: the quake is understanding giant boulders onto i-95 near coleville. seismologists say quakes in eastern california are not unique, but could it mean a precursor to something bigger? >> yes. it's more likely there will be smaller earthquakes that follow this aftershock sequence. >> reporter: the shaking

near donahue nor rosen did any such thing. justice department has told them both to cooperate with congressional investigations into trump's actions. >>> and in a big setback for the former president, he democrats have been trying to get them for two years, citing a federal law that says trea over individual the former president can now try to block the handover in court, >> pete williams, thank you. >>> now to disturbing interview, two whistle-blowers speak out to nbc's julia ainsley. >> reporter: tonight, nbc news obtaining these recent images of crowded conditions inside a facility for migrant children at fort bliss. >> there were these tents just crowded with kids. >> reporter: arthur perlstein worked there until just last month. he told us covid spread among hundreds of children. >> covid spread very, very rapidly amongst the kids and ultimately amongst many of the staff as well. >> reporter: another employee, lauren staff were told to hide what was happening. >> we were told to not be on social media, to limit our conver

, and rosen's deputy. say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. cnn's senior legal analyst and former u.s. attorney from the southern district of new york, elie honig joining us to answer your legal questions and also the author of the book "hatchet m man: how bill barr the justice department." yet another bizarre claim saying the notes prove he was trying to expose fraud. a viewer wants to know. w consequences if trump tried to interfere with the 2020 election and my own bit, isn't there already solid proof trump tried to interfere with the note and phone call and elsewhere? >> this is a common question from our viewers. how much is enough for somebody to do something here? so let's break down what theoretically or possibly could happen. first of all, you've got congress. congress has an important role to play here. congress does have the impeachment power. we know that. you can impeach a former official. although, it hasn't worked thus far with donald trum

. >> reporter: restaurant owner sally rosen still on edge after a magnitude 6 earthquake rolled through hometown of walker in eastern california. she and her 2-year-old taking cover with aftershocks still happening. >> even last night it was pretty stressful. neither my partner or i got much sleep because of how just the aftershocks continued and you never know when they're going to hit. >> reporter: from aggressive shaking in arnold to swaying in san francisco, the usgs reports the magnitude 6 antelope valley earthquake was wide reaching with nearly 15,000 reporting they felt it. even behind the wheel near the california/nevada border a spectacle, a large amount of dust launched into the air during the rattle. the people in this car processing the scene. >> it was an earthquake. >> how do you know? >> because the tires went a little funny. >> reporter: the quake is understanding giant boulders onto i-95 near coleville. seismologists say quakes in eastern california are not unique, but could it mean a precursor to something bigger? >> yes. it's more likely there will be smaller earthqua

rosen who replaced mr. barr had not heeded his request to declare the result corrupt.ent's role in that period between the election and the insurrection? >> yeah, trump's modus operandi was to see the agencies like the department of justice with towedies and sycophants who would do his bidding. mr. rosen was apparently trying to resist that, but subsequently, of course, protect the president from the revelation that, in fact, that's what he was about. he was also clearly being threatened with the implied idea that he could be replaced at any time by somebody who would cooperate with donald trump's attempt to challenge the legality of a free and fair election. >> congressman, mr. don ohogue's notes name one senator and known allies of the ex-president. there's a narrow denial from one of the individuals. mr. jordan's office says mr. jordan was never involved in a pressure campaign at doj, but no denial of the broader effort to overturn the election. i wonder if you share liz cheney's assessment that he is a crucial witness in the select committee's investigation or othe

. >> okay, let's talk now about this phone call between former president trump and jeffrey rosen andrichard donahue. okay, so these doj officials, in which, i mean, i've read through it. there's just notes and notes of these handwritten notes that donahue took and it reads like science fiction. i mean, it's just, again, president trump throwing whatever spaghetti he can at the wall to see what they'll bite on, to see what will stick, making stuff up out of whole cloth about, you know, his imaginations of election fraud. and so, what's going to happen with the contents of this phone call? what's the doj going to do? >> that's the big question, alisyn. yeah, lawyers do like to take notes, as you would think president trump would have learned, but if you run through sort of what are the various avenues for accountability here, well, depending on timing, you can always impeach because of this. that's not going to happen. we're not going to shave a thir impeachment this far out but if it happened while the president was in office, you could have impeachment. congress needs to do serious f

asks for rosen and other people's testimony because those will be illuminating as to what was goingbetween the white house and some of the people who were involved in this. >> commissioner barksdale, i want to get back to the police work and what these guys were up against. we had heard this before, but to hear it from their mouths was chilling. the litany of weapons that they had to defend themselves against. there were rebar, flag poles, trump flag poles, there was the stolen shields from other police officers, bear spray, insecticide like wasp spray that they kept getting face full of. frankly, one of them talked about the possibility of gunfire. i can't believe there wasn't more gunfire that day because what happened was one of them said that they -- he could hear the crowd saying, let's take his gun, let's take his gun, and one of them also threatened him and said if you use your gun on us we all have guns and we're going to fire back. it is astounding that there wasn't more gun violence actually that day. >> they were professional throughout this incident, well, this terrorist

rosenfelsen -- krz n -- kr rosen told few people about the phone calls.richard donahue who was present and those notes could be turned over to congress in couple days. now from california, chair of the house administration committee which held a hearing today on election sub version. congresswoman, your reaction to this "washington post" reporting tonight. >> well, it's in keeping with many of the other reports we've had about the president's efforts to try and subvert the election, frankly, and we will surely in the select committee want to know more about that. >> you're on the january 6th committee that held a hearing yesterday. you're investigating what led up to the attack on the capitol as well as everything that happened that day. >> exactly. >> but the question of what led up to it is rather broad, it is not exactly clear where that boundary is. were these phone calls to the attorney general part of what led up to what happened on january 6th? >> well, we'll find out. we're going to follow the fact where's they lead us. you know, it's one of the o

in the washington post today, interesting reporting about rosen. he was attorney general. president trump called his acting attorney general nearly every day at the end of last year to alert him to claims of voter fraud. and alleged improper vote counts in the 2020 election. we know that mr. rosen, smartly ignored the president. because he knew there was no serious fraud. but in your view, who should be in the chair first before the committee and why? >> well, i hope you'll forgive me for not saying who should be first. but we will be issuing a series of subpoenas. we will, i'm sure, first be interviewing the potential witnesses in a deposition typesetting before we have a public hearing. our goal is to find all of the facts. what led up to january 6th. who was involved? obviously there was preplanning. you don't show up to a rally in a bullet proof vest with weapons. so who funded it? who coordinated it? >> you just raised the yes, you don't show up at a rally with a bullet proof vest. i'm assuming you're talking about moe brooks. i was warned on

they are, for the most part, rosen tries to avoid the topic with trump.rustrated. one of his top aides was taking notes on some of these calls. and the notes can be passed over to congress as congress investigates january 6th and what happened at the capital that day. >> such a fascinating story. great reporting. people should read it. josh, thank you for being on. thank you for watching this hour, i'm chris jansing. more news with my friend, jose diaz bilart. >>> good thursday morning. i'm in for craig melvin. we have big movement in the voting rights fight. right now texas state democrats are on the hill talking about people like stacey abrams and the clintons. but they're dealing with a separate challenge. that bipartisan infrastructure deal just cleared a key test vote. there is new push back for another bill that democrats want to pass that is from within their own ranks. >>> and cubans calling for treatment and bob me nen dez just deliver

13 years in which she has been represented by a court appointed attorney, and that lawyer, matthew rosentely, a motion seeking to have britney spears' father jamie stripped of his control over her life. he called mr rosen guard in court forjamie spears to stand down immediately in the interests of his daughter, and said you have claimed that you love your daughter, so you should step down now from this position, but the lawyer representing jamie spears flatly refused to do so. she called some of the accusations levelled against jamie spears by his daughter unsubstantiated. if jamie spears by his daughter unsubstantiated.— jamie spears by his daughter unsubstantiated. if we take a step back _ unsubstantiated. if we take a step back as _ unsubstantiated. if we take a step back as well _ unsubstantiated. if we take a step back as well and - unsubstantiated. if we take a step back as well and remind j step back as well and remind people and those coming to this perhaps without so much background knowledge why there was this agreement in place, under which britney spears had so little control

the january 6th riot that happened between president donald trump and then acting attorney general rosen donahue, like you mentioned. donahue memorialized everything in these handwritten notes that have now become public. what was said -- donald trump was told by the justice department that they cannot change the election outcome. i'll read you, he replied. i don't expect you to do that, just say the election was corrupt. he then added we have an obligation to tell people that this was an illegal and corrupt election, the two men on the phone told the president that he was getting false information, that they had conducted hundreds or dozens of interviews, rather, and that this was just blatantly false. >> a lot of people are saying that the justice department got woke this week. the justice department turning over those notes over the house oversight committee, instead of protecting them. why is that? >> reporter: that's right, i think this signifies a new tide in leadership. i covered current president joe biden on the campaign trail, and he tried to distinguish himself in many ways du

to go together with the guilty act and one question that i would ask is why did people like jeffrey rosenover this up. why didn't they come forward with it? because their cover-up of this allowed january 6th to happen. these are some of the questions that i think we'll have to get answers to moving forward. >> glenn, in another part of the exchange, trump falsely claims that the elections in georgia, nevada, arizona and michigan were all corrupted. he accused the doj of failing to respond to legitimate complaints and reports of crimes and truly unbelievably to back all of that up, he tells them that, quote, you guys may not be following the internet the way i do. the internet. glenn, what would happen if the doj made decisions based on international rumors rather than evidence? >> well, they wouldn't win a lot of cases. because what we see on the internet rarely translates to admissible evidence in a court of law. and this shows, this is the deflection by donald trump. because when he's confronted with the evidence, out of the mouths of his own department of justice officials, people who

to notes taken by acting deputy director richard donahue, the ex-president directed him and jeffrey rosen to, quote, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and to congressional allies. and the doj now says the treasury department must turn over six years' worth of trump's tax returns to the house ways and means committee. the congressman who serves on the committee telling msnbc how they could be used. >> the reason we sought the returns in the first place was because the ways and means committee needed this information to determine whether or not we need to legislatively require the president's returns to be audited on a regular basis. >> and breaking on capitol hill, the senate has convened for a rare saturday session as it hammers out the final details of that bipartisan infrastructure plan. let's go right to nbc's ali vitali. how optimistic are the lawmakers feeling right now? >> reporter: you can really feel the energy here on capitol hill. the desire to get things moving on this bipartisan infrastructure package. we actually just heard from senate majority l

jeffrey rosen who was acting attorney general after william barr stepped down is among the officialsports that donald trump and then chief of staff mark meadows pressured him to investigate false claims of voter fraud. another is jeffrey clark, then acting assistant attorney general of the civil division, who is accused of plotting to oust rosen with donald trump's help to make it easier to challenge the results of the election, the justice department said while it typically resists such congressional inquiries, this time, it is making an exception writing quote, the extraordinary events in this matter constitute exceptional circumstances warranting an accommodation to congress in this case. congress has articulated compelling legislative interest in the matters being investigated, namely the question whether former president donald trump sought to cause the department to use its law enforcement and litigation authorities to advance his personal political interests. the justice department adds that the white house agrees. president biden has decided that it would not be appropriate t

should the january 6th committee subpoena rosen?an has said that he's going to subpoena relevant witnesses so i'll leave it to the chairman. they don't have the time pressure we had as impeachment managers in the senate trial so they can get the ground truth what was donald trump doing as the capitol was under siege or what was he not doing which is just as important and also, erin, i hope the department of justice as they look at evidence like this, they consider whether donald trump, you know, should be held to account for criminal charges for obstruction of justice. don't treat him any better or worse than any other american but again, this is somebody who so despises the rule of law he would weaponize the justice department against his enemies or for his benefit and if that's the case, i hope investigate that. >> thank you. >>> the mayor of minnesapolis a the center of a debate whether that city should completely replace the police department. he's my guest. >>> breaking news, no baseball in philadelphia after a covid outbreak h

michael rosen's words have captured generations of children and adults. former children's laureate and author of more than 140 books is known for his dedication to social causes. 12 years later, his own life was in their hands as he battled covid-19, and experience that involved weeks in an induced coma. he revisits that time in a new book, "many different kinds of love," and he joins us now to tell us more. thanks for joining us today. you are looking better than this time last year, but i believe you're still suffering the nt of covid. how did your find the time and energy to put together this extremely moving book? >> as your body starts to fail or is coming out of a period of failure, luckily my mind was mostly intact, so a great refuge, if you like. to sit and think and right -- to sit and think and write. julia: the book is made up of fragments of prose. some of the text comes from notes by the health care workers who look after you while you were in an induced coma. sophie, lizzie, daniel, eloise, natosha, daniel, and many others wrote to you recor

i used to be important, the chairman of the board of this place, and jeffrey rosen allowed me to do that, but thank you all for being here, i truly appreciate it. governor, mr. mayor, i thought you are a great mayor, still think you are with your judgment is even stronger, but all of you , my good friend. al sharpton, how are you, pal? it is great to see you. [applause] i am going to get in trouble here because i will recognize my congresswoman from the state of delaware. [applause] and, her sister who used to run my office, stand up. folks, good afternoon. this is a serious subject that i would like to talk about today. i am hill -- here at philadelphia in the national constitution center where this story of we the people began. it is a story that is neither simple nor straightforward. that is because the story is the sum of our parts, and all of them are fundamentally human and being human is being imperfect, driven by appetite and ambition as much as by goodness and grace. some things in america should be simple and straightforward. perhaps the most important of those things, the most