judge roy moore, the republican who lost the alabama senate race, recently f shannon: judge roy moorehe alabama senate race after being dogged by allegations of sexual misconduct recently featured on sasha baron cohen's who is america. during the appearance the comedian pretended to be an israeli antiterrorism expert who demonstrated what he called a pedophile detector. >> i am not a pedophile okay? >> but the machine -- >> maybe israeli technology hasn't developed properly. >> it is 99% accurate. is not saying you are a pedophile. >> i'm not having this conversation right now. i support israel but i don't support this kind of stuff. shannon: they are suing cbs for $95 million for defamation, intentional emotional distress and fraud saying more was lured into the interview on false pretenses. legal eagle criminal defense attorney and ceo brian otella, is that the right pronunciation? >> perfect. >> i want to read what we got from the complaint they filed and they said they were lured in believing this was an israeli tv show and roy moore was going to get an award for supporting israel

this is essentially what he heard about roy moore, a big defender of roy moore.ne of the things we've seen from republican voters is they don't really have a penalty that they exact on people who are accused. >> for example? >> for example, donald trump. >> donald trump. >> who got a lot of republican voters, lost ultimately, roy moore. if you're a republican senator you're looking at that history of how republican voters have viewed -- >> i guess. i don't know that you can use the election of donald trump as evidence that republicans don't care about this. i think times have changed, even since then, even in these 20 months, whatever it's been. times have changed in the me too movement. it may be that he's such a novelist candidate that we can't applaud those same -- >> i keep bringing up roy moore. he lost. the majority of republican voters voted for roy moore. >> i want to make one thing clear. why did she wait until now to move forward? >> right. >> victims of sexual assault and sexual abuse often don't come forward for years. >> and really don't want to come

i see the point about the roy moore accusers. many of them were trump voters. one of them had her house burned down. the investigation was not concluded. no one knows. those women are still out there. we could go back and talk to them again and see what there life is like now. did would seemy like a difficult decision was just a political ploy i think is not fully understanding. courts -- with we wrote smarter, faster business news. work andour readers live in more than one place. it is very digital. mike, a little bit about your website. we talk about what is happening inside that building across the street, looking at the capital. and the white house. we have some policy stuff, political stuff, which i to do it all. pedro: let us we've and a couple of other topics. trade, china. howher: we talked about tariffs are good. we're expecting him to roll out tariffs on $200 billion. is going to cover stuff that ,mericans by --buy televisions. this is another part of the truck double down approach -- trump double down. theysaid they are not -- may wait until november

he went down and campaigned for roy moore three days before the special election. >> i didn't like roy moore either. i know the president was for roy moore. i was one of the first republicans to come out against roy moore. i heard what he said today and i understand the way he treated it. this is a completely different issue. are we going to listen to dr. ford or not? he said we're going to listen to hear and see what she has to say and let her answer the questions we have for her. that's a perfectly legitimate point of view. >> governor. >> yeah. >> give me one good reason why in order to clear this up, if he's calling these women and their accusations a con job, why we can't have an objective investigation by the federal bureau of investigation? what is the problem with getting to the bottom of it? if there were a senator who was interviewing a low level staffer in their office who had three public accusations of sexual abuse and worse they would never be hired. >> do you think at this point we can acknowledge because they want to move it along? >> that's not an acceptable answer. >>

the president asks me all the time, why did roy moore lose? that's easy. because he was a terrible candidate. so julia, how are you reading into this on the part of the president? >> on the part of the president, i think this says what the president thought by him intervening in that race, he would be able to get the republican candidate across that finish line to victory. i think the president feels that when he gets involved in special elections, midterm elections, he's really able to make a difference. he does in many cases. so i think the president thought in roy moore's case that he would be able to, i guess, clean up that mess, if you will and help him get to victory. but obviously, he didn't. obviously, those -- the allegations and the stories about roy moore definitely very negatively affected him. i think the president really likes to get involved in these races. i think he probably took that personally as maybe a potential loss on his part. >> shawn, you heard vice president pence engaging in talks about the 25th amendment. where do things stand

way, as well. >> roy moore. do they really want to go down in history that way? it's hard. i have -- i admire both of those women. it's hard for me to believe that they would. >> jeff, democrats who want the fbi to get involved, there certainly doesn't seem to be any chance of that happening. right? >> none at all. none at all. it's so incredible when you read particularly the latest allegation that michael avenatti's client brought forward, i mean, it is richly detailed with a number of specifics acknowledged. the fbi exists to do investigations of what happened in controversial circumstances. that is an allegation that cries out for a genuine investigation. how can you seriously investigate miss ford's claim that this assault took place when you don't even interview the person she says was in the room? you know, mark judge. i mean, this is not an investigation. this is an exercise to try to get brett kavanaugh confirmed. and if you look at the staff of this investigation, it's the judiciary committee's republi

is offering advice. >> when roy moore is defending you, it's almost proof that you're guilty. i don't want to say that about kavanaugh but i don't think he's helping the judge. there are two very different cases. you had multiple allegations against judge moore. those allegations were credible. this is one that you're talking about with judge kavanaugh, one case in which there are potentially -- or rather three witnesses. roy moore would do himself and the world a favor for remaining quiet, a quiet private individual for the rest of his life. >> brett stevens, always enjoy your writing. do come back. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> defending kavanaugh. i'll talk to a woman from a conservative group pushing kavanaugh's nomination. she has a unique perspective. she used to be a clerk for justice clarence thomas who was confirmed after facing sexual harassment allegations himself. we are keeping a close eye right now on capitol hill. this is a live look at capitol hill. two democratic senators just received a letter from graduates of kavanaugh's accuser's high school. w

roy moore -- we had multiple examples of abhorrent behavior from him.s story that he adamantly denies and the other person -- >> do you believe her -- >> in the room at time also denies it. >> but do you believe her? >> i -- i believe that something traumatic happened to her. i believe that that -- that i don't think that she's lying. i don't think that she is intentionally trying to mislead anybody. but i haven't heard her speak. we've seen written -- written letter from her. >> but she'll say whataz in the letter. do you believe something traumatic happened to her at the hands of brett kavanaugh. >> i -- i want to hear from her. there is something to be said for being able to hear someone speak in their own words. >> let's say she said exactly what is in the letter. will you believe -- if she repeated exactly what is in her letter? >> until i see her and until i see her speak, being willing to speak under oath in front of the senate judiciary committee -- a i think there is a reason we set our court system up this way -- >> it is not a court. >> it is

so i don't -- and, yes, and many of them stood by roy moore.t there is -- it's not so much, i think, that anyone thinks they're going to misbehave. i think there's just a problem a tone deafness and i think that -- and i think that that's probably going to come through. maybe that won't happen. maybe, suddenly, they'll be able to talk about this issue in a way that's not contemptuous of the person who brought this allegation. which i have said, look, this happened a long time ago. i think it's very, i'd say, dare say, almost impossible to fairly litigate this. and that's a real problem. because you have somebody -- you know, our memories are very unreliable, as much as we'd like to think we remember everything perfectly, there's plenty of studies that show that that's not the case. you know, it could be mistaken identity. we don't really know what happens. i'm inclined to believe her, right? we all can kind of look at it and decide what we want to decide. i know plenty of people who say i'm not inclined to believe it. i don't think he would do

>> first of all, i wasn't happy with roy moore. let's get that straight. but roy moore. reporter: you stood by him. >> he was a republican candidate, and rather have had a republican candidate win. i was very happy with luther strange. he was a terrific man from alabama, but luther strange had a lot of things going against him. as far as women, whether it's a man or a woman, it can happen the other way, allegations can get on other way also, you understand that. and whether it was a man or a woman, 30 years ago, 36 years ago, in fact, they don't even know how many years ago because nobody knows what the time is. that's a long time. and i could pick, as an example, hopefully i won't have to do it as a replacement because hopefully this is going to go very well on thursday, monday, saturday or sunday or whenever they vote, but i could pick a woman, and she could have charges made from many years ago also. and i would look at the character -- >> reporter: reluctant to come forward, you raised doubts of the accusers. >> i don't think people are reluctant to come forward. the

and four, not are necessary, bu they were in the roy moore case. in this case we have a named accuser at this point. the next step would be to hear more from her. if you get more of those things, fine. this is a tough situation for the gop and designed to be one partly by the timing. >> there is no question the timing is unfortunate and complicates everything. the attorney is an esteemed attorney for the woman who is defending feinstein. even her democratic colleagues were not happy about it. she is defending her saying ms. ford was having a hard time about whether to public publbec or not. a reason to have a hearing. everyone can ask every question. the attorney for the accuser describing in more detail the party where ms. ford alleges brett kavanaugh assaulted her. >> was your client also drinking? >> my client had a beer. she was not stumbling drunk. the men were stumbling drunk. one only needs to look at the writings of mark judge who was the only person present. he and other members were repeatedly, routinely, this was part of their culture. >

and you know, if you look at the case of roy moore. if you look at the case of one of your staffers, you seem to time and again side with the accused and not the accuser. is that because of the many allegations that you've had made against you over the years >> well first of all i wasn't happy with roy moore let's get that straight. but roy moore was a. >> you stood by. >> a republican candidate and i would have rather had a republican candidate win i was very happy with luther strange, a traffic man from alabama. but luther strange had a lot of things going against him as far as women, whether it's a man or a woman, these are -- you know it can happen the other way, allegations can go the other bay also you understand that and whether it was a man or a woman, 30 years ago, 36 years ago, in fact they don't even know how many years ago because nobody knows the time. it's a long time and i could pick as an example, hopefully i won't have to do it as a replacement because hopefully this is going to go very well on thursday. going to go we

but roy moore was a -- republican candidate. and i would have rather had a republican candidate win. i was very happy with luther strange. he was a terrific man from alabama. but luther strange had a lot of things going against him. as far as women, whether it's a man or a woman, these are -- you know, it can happen the other way. allegations can go the other way also. you understand that. and whether it was a man or a woman, 30 years ago, 36 years ago -- in fact, they don't even know how many years ago, because nobody knows what the time is. that's a long time. and i could pick, as an example, hopefully i won't have to do it as a replacement, because hopefully this is going to go very well on thursday. it's going to go very well on monday or saturday or sunday or whenever they vote. but i could pick a woman. and she could have charges made from many years ago also. >> but don't you understand, sir -- >> and i would look at the character. no, what i have to do -- >> are reluctant to come forward. you raised doubts about these ac

but roy moore was -- >> you stood by -- >> -- a republican candidate. i would have rather had a republican candidate win. i was very happy with luther strange, who was a terrific man from alabama, but luther strange had a lot of things going against him. as far as women, whether it's a man or a woman, these are -- you know, it can happen the other way. allegations can go the other way also, oounyou understand that. whether it was a man or a woman, 30 years ago, 36 years ago, in fact they don't even know how many years ago because nobody knows what the time is. that's a long time. and i could pick, as an example, hopefully i won't have to do it as a replacement, because hopefully this is going to go very well on thursday, it's going to go very well on monday or saturday or sunday or whenever they vote. but i could pick a woman and she could have charges made from many years ago also. >> but don't you understand, sir -- >> i would look at the character. no. >> they are reluctant to come forward. you've raised doubts about these accusers. >> i don't think

and he said i wasn't happy with roy moore, let's get that straight.o he was trying to pretend, what, that he didn't endorse roy moore who was accused of child molestation? >> yeah, i think his answer was like, well, had to be a republican so i went with the child molesting republican. it was a very strange moment. he also deflected a question about rob porter, his former staffer who he defended right to the bitter end. so i think definitely the thru line here is he really does overwhelmingly take the side of the accused over the accuser, and it enerringly is something that trips him up letter. >> he was very much in favor of sending brett kavanaugh and his wife to fox news. that inert view has turned tout to be a disaster and brett kavanaugh has made the mistake of telling the judiciary committee that he incorporates, that he accepts their incorporation in effect of the fox news interview into his prehearing testimony. which now risks the possibility of the fox news interview, in effect, being considered under oath, where we know -- we know he did not

. >>> former alabama senate candidate roy moore suing sacha b baron cohen. he is seeking $95 million for defamation and emotional distress and fraud. during the interview, cohen brought out a device claiming it could detect pedophiles. moore has been accused by several women of sexual mu misconduct. >>> colin kaepernick will make an appearance of the nfl opener in philadelphia. not on the field in the new nike ad. >> believe in something. even if it means sacrificing everything. >> the commercial narrated by kaepernick features lebron james and serena williams and several others. kaepernick campaign against social injustice started in 2016. now a carl's sports store getting rid of the nike merchandise. his father-in-law was a prisoner of war and claims kaepernick doesn't know sacrifice. always a reminder it was a former green beret who suggested to colin kaepernick he take a knee. that is the one who gave him the idea for the form of protest. nate boyer. >>> ahead, president trump warning the syrian regime against an assault on the last rebel stronghold. we

does seem, though, that the president has already reached a judgment about their stories and when roy moore and bill o'reilly and roger ailes are accused, rob porter accused and now when brett kavanaugh is accused, the president consistently every single time takes the side of the man. >> you know, it's interesting that you say that. it's a lot of democrats that like to ignore keith ellison and corey booker and love to fight and champion women until they disagree with them. >> al franken lost his job in the senate. >> and a number of other democrats should have the same type of scrutiny. >> what's the answer to my question? every single time the president has taken the side of the man against women accusers. >> that's not true. and in this case, the president knows brett kavanaugh. he has heard his story. there hasn't been a shred of evidence to corroborate the other individual stories, and there has been a lot of individuals that have come forward and talked about the brett kavanaugh that they know and they're confident these things didn't happen. >> final question, what does the president

>> well, first of all, i was not ppy with roy moore. let's get that straight. roy mooreub was a rcan candidate,ou and i have rather had a republican candidate win. i was very happy with luthere, stra terrific man from alabama, but luther had a lot of things going against him. as far as women, whether it's a man orn, a wo you know, it can happen the other way, allegations can go the other way also. younderstand that. and whether it was a man or a woman, 30 years ago, 36 years ago, in fact, they don't even rsow how many y ago because nobody knows what the time is, could a long time, and i pick, as an example, hopefully i won't have to do it as a replacement because hopefully this is going to go very wl on thursday, saturday, or sunday, whenever they have it, but i coul pick a woman, and she could have charges made from many years ago also. >> don't you understand, though, that -- >> i would look at the character -- no, what i have to do -- >> reduck lant to come forward, raising doubts about the a-- >> i don't think people are luck tonight to come forward. they h

and i think that that ad -- do i think it's fair at this stage to compare brett kavanaugh to roy mooretegorically no. i do want to say that i think part of the deep and profound insult of this nomination is that you have this president who has boasted of sexual assault nominating this frat boy who has been accused with some credibility of attempted rape. and that that is going to be the thing that ends roe v. wade, that strips american women of reproductive rights. in some ways it makes very plain the brute patriarchy, the cruel power, the cruel imposition of male power over women's choices that this whole process represents. >> michelle goldberg, we always learn a lot from you, you've written a lot about these issues. thank you for coming on "the beat" tonight. >>> we turn to another big story. rudy giuliani talking to paul manafort's team after a plea deal and why that could backfire on his boss, donald trump. >>> plus how mueller may have made a pardon-proof deal. special guests next. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate helps you. with drivewise. fe

made against you over the years well first of all i wasn't happy with roy moore let's get that straight but roy moore was a republican candidate and i would have rather had a republican candidate when i was very happy with luther strange it was a terrific man from alabama but luther strange had a lot of things going against him as far as women whether it's a man or a woman these are you know it can happen the other way allegations can go the other way also you understand that and whether it was a man or a woman. thirty years ago thirty six years ago in fact they don't even know how many years ago because nobody knows what the time is that's a long time and i could pick as an example hopefully i won't have to do it as a replacement because hopefully this is going to go very well on thursday it's going to go very well on monday or saturday or sunday or whenever they have out. but i could pick a woman and she could have charges made from many years ago also reduction and i would have a look at the character now and what i have to do are reluctant to come forward you raise doubts about thes

i want to bring up the example of roy moore.d not win his seat. i said this. you know who else said this, mitch mcconnell said this. roy moore was running for senate and you said i'm being a partisan. i'm not being a partisan. roy moore dated young girls. he said it himself. this is a very big difference. >> carrie, you keep equating brett kavanaugh to people running for political office, that's kind of making the point. >> no, joy, i'm equating data and evidence and witnesses. >> let me go to -- i haven't had david brock. >> a predator at shopping malls. >> roy moore used to be on the supreme court of alabama. that's the only question. >> david brock has not had a chance to speak. mitch mcconnell said roy moore should not either. a very important point to make. >> what reward shall we give to mitch mcconnell for the statement. >> showing he's been intellectually honest. the facts do not support this assertion at this time. >> you don't have any facts to refute it. you weren't there. >> mark judge was there, and he is proactivel

if you look at the case of roy moore. if you look at the case of one of your staffers, you seem to, time and again, side with the accused are not the accuser. is that because of the many allegations that you have had made against you? >> president trump: first of all, i wasn't happy with roy moore. let's get that straight. roy moore was a republican candidate, and i would have rather had a republican candidate. i was very happy with luther strange, who is a terrific man from alabama. luther strange had a lot of things going against him. as far as women, whether it's a man or a woman, these are, you know, it can happen the other way. allegations can happen the other way also. you understand that. whether it was a man or woman, 30 years ago, 36 years ago, in fact they don't even know how many years ago because nobody knows what the time is. that's a long time. i could pick as an example, hopefully i won't have to do it as a replacement because hopefully this is going to go very well on thursday and it's going to go very wel

let's get that straight but roy moore was a good publican can today and i would've rather had a republican candidate win i was very happy with luther strange it was a terrific man from alabama but luther strange had a lot of things going against him as far as women.

and it is somewhat reminiscent of the roy moore case where you had republicans rallying around roy moore and the alleged pedophilia cases that he was involved in. this -- this whole relationship with women is a problematic one with the republican party and female voters. how this translates is important. and does it turn out a base? we don't know. does it keep a base at home? we don't know. but what we do know is that female voters are taking all of this in. and they're contextualizing it, nicolle, on terms of where the party stands on an issue that a lot of women have raised their voices about in the last two years and have been very, very clear about in the last couple of years. and so now the test is where do you stand? you know, i've heard some people, you know, question, well, you know, the judge has gone through a process to get to this level where the fbi and other investigators should have been able to uncover this. where was this story when he was before the, you know, the senate for the appointment to the d.c. circuit? where was he in his prior -- where were they in the prior a

women deserve better than a president who stands by his endorsement of an accused child molester of roy moore this guy reminds you of your abusive ex-husband. he's a bully, he lies. he makes your life miserable. you feel the contempt from him. he makes you feel like a nonperson that's what american women see when they look at this man and when he stands by as you said roy moore, when he goes after multiple now women complainants who have come forward to lodge complaints against judge kavanaugh, and pursues either a mistaken identity thing or a nutty and slutty theme as they did with anita hill, the american recoil and i think men as well. you have already seen the women running for office like never before. we saw a little bit in my home state in virginia in 2017. suburban women turned out in droves. >> ron, let me fete you on the politics and get you on the one woman who seems to break the mold, stormy daniels, she's out with a new book and she's outtrumping trump by being more crude than him, talking about the body parts. this is a body part day and getting under his skin by going at him wh

just like roy moore, he was with roy moore until he lost and then he distanced himself from him. he said today, i didn't like roy moore but he stuck with him because he's republican. he's with brett kavanaugh because he thinks he can get the votes. if brett kavanaugh it seems is not getting the votes, i guarantee president trump will be ready to drop him and say, how was i supposed to know about the list. he will go down the list and pick anyone else to take the seat on the supreme court. >> and he likely will blame democrats at well. at some point he tried to give some distance between himself and gop senators saying, at first we delayed the process. then he said, no, no me, it was the gop senators who delayed the process. he is angling for the adoration and closeness of his base, and he is able to do that in many ways by distance from these gop senators. listen, if it is murkowski and collins, i think he will go around and bad mouth them in the way he bad mouthed mccain. >> can i make a suggestion? maybe the base is much of the united states. maybe this country is a lot more ra

i've got roy moore. not a good defendant. we all know his lawyer.u're representing, that's tough. i get a tough card there. second, as bob said, i'm dealing with defamation. you've got to find out that mr. cohen acted with actual malice or intent. i'm actually going to go where bob didn't want to go, which is the contract. and it's interesting because cohen's had to deal with this before. he's been sued. and in the "bruno" movie, what they sued over was the standard location agreement that these folks signed. and it's very likely that mr. moore had signed a document saying basically, "i'm waiving all of my rights to whatever this is." i do think that's fraud. my view, shannon, is you sign up to go on the teacups. you think it's going to be the teacups. it better not turn into space mountain. >> they said it does seem that prospective prank victims signed releases. if i were a lawyer for a potential plaintiff that said this had happened, my first question would be, did you sign a piece of paper? bob, is that enough to shield them in this case? >> lis

including roy moore. >> you're talking about he said 40 years ago this didn't happen. >> less than two months before the midterm elections where women voters and candidates play a critical role. lt white house is treading lightly. for now at least. saying both should be heard. >> judge kavanaugh spent nearly nine hours at the white house today. working behind the scenes with his confirmation team. one described his as shaken but focussed on defending his integrity. he and his accuser will be in a separate public hearing on monday by the judiciary committee. certainly raising the stakes on this battle. something we haven't seen in washington like this for decades. >> joining me now from london. professor of international politics. good to have you with us. >> good morning. >> after much debate, kavanaugh and his accuser will both testify monday. in this public hearing. it will be a case of his word against hers. without a thorough investigation, and any evidence to corroborate the accuser story. how much closer can senators ever hope to get to the truth? of what happened at that high sc

let's get that straight but roy moore was a good public in can today and i would've rather had a republican candidate when i was very happy with luther strange it was a terrific man from alabama but luther strange had a lot of things going against him. as far as women whether it's a man or a woman these are you know it can happen the other way allegations can go the other way also you understand that and whether it was a man or a woman. thirty years ago thirty six years ago in fact they don't even know how many years ago because nobody knows what the time is it's a long time and i could pick as an example hopefully i won't have to do it as a replacement because hopefully this is going to go very well on thursday it's going to go very well on monday or saturday or sunday or whenever they have out. but i could pick a woman. and she could have charges made from many years ago also redemption and i would look at the character now in the what i have to do are reluctant to come forward to raise doubts about these accusers many of them i don't think people are reluctant to go before they're going

>> an admitted sexual abuser sits in the white house who supported -- >> so get out and vote for roy moore. >> then he nominated this man to the u.s. supreme court. >> accusing kavanaugh of sexual assault when she tried to scream, she said he put his hand over her mouth. >> we can't let brett kavanaugh decide on our rights for a generation. enough is enough. >> kavanaugh, who unequivocally denies the allegations, spent his third straight day at the white house today. nbc news reports tonight that on tuesday he spent two hours prepping for the possibility of testifying again with the supreme court nominee being grilled by senior white house staff for roughly two hours about his past, his dating life, and dr. ford's allegation. among those questioning kavanaugh in preparation was none other than bill shine who was drummed out of fox news after allegedly helping enable roger ailes' sexual harassment there, shine denies this. a letter was sent to the judicially committee thanking them for the invitation to appear monday. kavanaugh says "i will be there." let me start with you, cheryl. what is

>> the benefit of the doubt the you gave to people like bill o'reilly and roy moore. they are all men. why is that? has there ever been an instance where you have given the benefit of the doubt will woman -- two a woman? president trump: it is not the benefit of the doubt. i have known them for a long time. a lot of these people. some i have been disappointed with. i have been disappointed with some. others, there are charges that are weak. but i saw these people for a long time and i never saw them do anything wrong. there are some that i probably agree, i can tell you some i have been watching for a long time, and in a couple of cases they were not republicans, but i have been watching for a long time. i knew for a long time these were not good people and they were never brought up. ok. go ahead. >> when the allegations first surfaced, you initially said how important it was for dr. ford to testify, and that you wanted to hear from her. but you also said that if what she said were as bad as she claims, surely her or her parents would have reported it. and just today

we saw this with judge roy moore. it was real big going up to the election.s soon as the election is over, you don't hear anything about it. these people have had ample time to come out in the last 30, 40 years and there's not been any talk of this. if they are true, they should have come out earlier. the investigation, you know, if they don't go to the second one, that's fine. >> harris: chairman, how complicated has it become with the #me too movement for leaders on the hill to look at these situations? everybody has an opinion about whether they believe so and so or not. the evidence is what it is. >> the me too movement, if there's wrong done to anybody, you know, we need to go after that. it's so sterile up there. i couldn't compliment you on your hair or you outfit you have on now or somebody would say, that was a pretty presumptuous and -- it's gotten sterile up there. you know, people are afraid to do their regular job during the course of a day. >> harris: and that hurts the real victims that come out and want to be heard. how important is it do you

i don't think you should've gone to campaign for roy moore after he was outed as a predator, a serious predator, of young, teenage girls. these actions do not suggest respect for women and that makes your opposition to the e.r.a. pretty easy to understand. >> let's talk about women, close to home. right in the body that you serve in, senator. united states senate. 268 allegations of sexual harassment against you and other members of the united states senate and the house of representatives. why hasn't that come to light? >> it has. >> know it has not. >> you know the numbers, you had to get it somewhere. >> every other member of the senate and the house is trying to squeeze this under the rug. meanwhile you're trying to talk to us about sexual harassment that happened 36 years ago, potentially. meanwhile you're not willing to clean your own house and expose the identities of members of the senate and house who have sexually harassed and are potentially predators in the congress. >> it should all be disclosed. when the senate ethics committee was refusing to disclose the material that t

i mean roy moore denies it. and by the way, he gives a total denial. >> roger ails, is he helping you, advising you? >> he's been a friend of mine for a very long time. he's just a very, very good person. >> republicans need women voters if they want to hold on to the senate in november. so how the senate handles the allegation against kavanagh is those senators who believe the tent is big enough for them too. and a democratic strategist a democratic impact strategist and the "meet the press" team found what is a very striking quote from bob woodward's book, let me read it, it's on page 175, donald trump gave some private advice to a friend that had acknowledged bad behavior toward women. real power is fear. it's all about strength. never show weakness. it you've always got to be strong. don't be bullied. there is no choice, you've got to deny, deny, deny and push back on these women. if you admit to anything, to any culpability, then you're dead. i mean that's also the way he's behaved against all of the women

as we pointed out, roy moore.ut that attitude also is something that really sticks out in the context of the me too movement. >> right. so i think you have to separate what's going to happen with the judge a little from the politics and take each one separately. i think kavanaugh could still get confirmed. but on the politics, it is -- a lot of people have been referencing back to anita hill and clarence thomas' hearing. in 1992 after he was confirmed it was the first year of the woman and all the women went out to the polls motivated by the treatment of anita hill. fast forward. it's this me too moment. this unprecedented number of female candidates running already and you have to wonder how this shakes out for them politically. that statement sounds a little -- more than a little tone deaf given the dynamics of these midterm elections which are not looking that great for republicans. and the idea that any man could be accused of -- i don't even know where to start with that one. i may throw that one to you. you

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>> first of all, i wasn't happy with roy moore, let's get that straight. but roy moore was a republican candidate, and i would have rather had a republican candidate win. i was very happy with luther strange. he was a terrific man from alabama. but luther strange had a lot of things going against him. as far as women, whether it's a man or a woman, it can happen the other way. allegations can go other way also. you understand that. and whether it was a man or a woman 30 years ago, 36 years ago -- in fact, they don't even know how many years ago because no one knows what the time is. that's a long time. and i could pick as an example, hopefully i won't have to do it as replacement because this is going to go very well on thursday, saturday or sunday, whenever they vote. but i could pick a woman and she could have charges made from many years ago also -- what i have to do -- >> you've raised doubts about the accusers. >> i don't think people are reluctant to come forward. they're going to have a chance to speak -- excuse me, excuse me. they have a major chan

but he weighed in with roy moore at the end of last year. so i think it is almost certain the president will weigh in. what i have been trying to figure out in my reporting and i have not received any response yet, is what the trump women might say. i mean we have ivanka trump who is in the white house who is there solely to be an advocate for women and children and for families. and i have reached out for a comment to multiple people in the white house to see if she would say something. he did say something in the roy moore election and i have not heard back in. sometimes the first lady is the only person in the white house who will come out with her own independent statement or opinion in a time like this that will go against her husband. and so i'm curious if either of them will have something to say. >> interesting thing to watch. and i'm watching jonathan swan as well. if you look back to the anita hill example, there was a lot of pressure, joe biden was among them, a critical player there. in this case you have jeff flake, but when we

then wrestling with issues like roy moore and brett kavanaugh. that's working for republicans right now. they are in a freefall. that's what we're seeing in the numbers. >> and congresswoman, about those ten points, let's convert it to a large urban area, one in your home state, baltimore city, maryland. how do the democrats convert that 12 points and get those people to the polls to see that 12 points reflected in the generic ballot? >> i think as we've seen throughout the primary season, democratic enthusiasm is up and it has remained up, and i think that that's going to show in the polls. we're talking about, you know, suburban areas, for example, around philadelphia where we have very contested president -- congressional seats at play, and this is going to happen all across the country. and i think that what republicans are discovering is that while there is enthusiasm among their base in terms of turnout, they are losing independents, they are losing college-educated women. and these hearings that we're going to see on thursday and the alleg

roy moore was credibly accused of sexually assaulting a woman when she was 14 and using his position as a local prosecutor to date and attempt to date teenagers. a man who brought into the white house bill shine who was drumd out of fox news after reportedly enabling and covering up roger ailes' sexual harassment there. shine denies doing so. while donald trump still occupies the white house there has been a seismic cultural shift that has meant allegations of sexual misconduct by powerful men are now taken more seriously than they were in 1991 when anita hill's credible accusations against clarence thomas were greeted by skepticism and scorned by members of the all male members of the senate judicialery committee. some things haven't changed. christine ford was ee luck tant to come forward for fear of being dragged through the mud and like anita hill she will see plenty of men if and when she testifies. there is not a single woman among the 11 republicans on the senate judiciary committee. with mow for more on this, sharon eiffel and nan aaron. both of you lived through and watched

with, having run against roy moore down in alabama. why is it that the president seems to always side with somebody who's been accused of something like this? did that comment from the president jump out at you earlier today? >> of course it did, jim. i mean, it was the same thing. as long as someone that the president supports denies it, that's good enough for him. that's unfortunate. that is not the -- that's not my duty or role as a senator. i don't think it's any of the other senator's roles. we shouldn't take the president's word with a denial. we need to know the facts. i was not surprised the hear the president say that. i think it is unfortunate that he says something when we're in a process of trying to find the facts fie you reach the conclusion that the accusation is true and disqualifying, how will you make that determination? and what do you need to see in order to make up your mind that this accuser christine blasey ford is telling the truth? >> you know. that's i think every senator is going to have a different set of pa

. >> roy moore. >> exactly, roy moore, rob porter and so on. there's a pattern. >> yeah.i want to get you to weigh in on this. let me just say this before i get you to weigh in because i'm going to talk about the person -- the people who are going to be, you know, questioning these two people. the senate judiciary committee hired a female outside counsel to question ford and kavanaugh. this is senate majority leader mitch mcconnell describing her and why they need her. watch this. >> we have hired a female assistant to go on staff and to ask these questions in a respectful and professional way. we want this hearing to be handled very professionally, not a political sideshow like you saw put on by the democrats when they were questioning judge kavanaugh. >> there's a lot there. i mean there's no women on that committee, right? a female assistant, so they can ask questions in a respectful and professional way. are they not capable of doing that themselves? >> well, not only that, don, but they've just announced tonight the identity of the attorney who will be apparently que