the rudy giuliani you are about to see is truly shocking now. but it is the way rudy giuliani often handled press questions when he was a federal prosecutor in manhattan in the 1980s. today, with rudy giuliani clinging to the wreckage of his legal career with his law license suspended, pending possible permanent disbarment, rudy giuliani found his lawyerly voice once again. >> [inaudible] >> we'll not talk about this, until the grand jury, and the grand jury's [inaudible] secret. >> do you believe president trump is the ultimate target of this investigation? >> i'm not going to comment on the grand jury investigation. [inaudible] no more about it. >> -- >> they asked the questions [inaudible] >> will you be cooperative? you are attorney says he cannot promise how responsive you will be. >> arriving at the courthouse at 8:30 am, before the doors were even unlocked, rudy giuliani showed no evidence of the health issues that his lawyer had told the judge made him physically incapable of doing what he did today, walking into that courtroom and testi

rudy giuliani.was in the middle of peddling these conspiracy theories about the election, in the aftermath of the legislation, some people in his orbit were certainly distancing. they from giuliani. and a lot of republican allies would not take his phone calls because they didn't want to be involved in the efforts that rudy giuliani was involved in. while you are being named a target, it doesn't may not that you are going to be indicted definitely. it just means prosecutors think they go get to an indictment. i think it raises concerns for trump as well. so the questions people have when it come to rudy giuliani, what will be the line drawn of what trump was urging him to do and what he was actually doing in georgia. we know we saw him coming out saying he believed ballots were smuggled in teenagers, underage voters, none of which was there. that raises concern. but giuliani and his attorneys say they won't talk about his conversations between and he trump on wednesday because of attorney-client pri

it's rudy, it's rudy. just ask rudy., i shouldn't be surprised, but to watch everyone make all these excuses for what happened, and even the former president, because these excuses are starting to muddy each other now. like, wait a minute, did you just say it was something else, and you're saying it's something else and someone is going up on television, one of your people saying, it's now this? isn't the fact of the matter is -- you did something wrong. you just don't pack 33 boxes of classified information by accident. that just doesn't happen. >> no, not only does that not happen, he already returned more than a dozen boxes and they signed a document stating that there were no more boxes of information at mar-a-lago, which is of course another lie. but for so numb to the lies that donald has told us that no one is even thinking about, yeah, he just made another mistake. this is classified information. and he does not have the right to take it, and at the same time, he doesn't really have the right -- he didn't have th

the problem is rudy as he is today is miles away from rudy as he was when he was a u.s.hen he was third in the justice department, as a very young man, let alone as mayor. >> you mean in terms of his judgment? >> i think his judgment and his filter. and that's how he's gotten himself in this mess. you saw those clips that were played, those were abbreviated and relatively dignified, but he did not tell the truth when he spoke to the georgia state legislators. he may have believed he was telling the truth. but as we've already known, he said he didn't bother to check up on the facts, it didn't seem too terribly important. so lied about an election publicly, including in very serious and pivotal moments. that's why he's now apparently the target. >> one of the things district attorney fani willis is looking into is whether he made false statements. he said it on tape. these were taped before the georgia -- he was in front of subcommittees of georgia lawmakers. >> giuliani has been a liability to donald trump since going back to the ukraine matter. he was a huge liability.

it's rudy. it's rudy. i have nothing to do with it. it's rudy.ust ask rudy. >> it's surprising, but i shouldn't be surprised, but watch everyone make all these excuses for what happened, even the former president, because some of these excuses are starting to muddy each other. wait a minute. did you not just say it was something else and now you're saying it's something else. and someone is going on television, one of your people saying it's now this? isn't the fact of the matter is that you did something wrong? you just don't pack 33 boxes of classified information by accident. that just does not happen. >> no, but not only does that not happen, he already returned more than a dozen boxes, and they signed a document stating there are no more boxes of information at mar-a-lago, which of course is yet another lie. we are so numb to the lies that donald has told us, that no one is even thinking about it, yeah, yeah he just made another mistake. no. this is classified information documents and he does not have the right to take it, and at the same t

and rudy is one brick below.o they're obviously squeezing him for anything that would incriminate the president. >> if it's a rico case, obviously, the irony would be particularly rich. >> explain that. >> well, because rudy and his team, the district attorney's office pioneered years of rico statute to break the back of the mob very effectively. one of the many things he did in his career which deserves a great deal of appreciation and respect. i hope he's not solely dwienled by defined by the last chapter. it's not going away. but i will also say it's a mistake to judge rudy as the man he was against who he is now. i think there's a significant departure in terms of his judgment and his character. >> we have one life, though, not two, right? >> right. >> friends, thank you all for being with us this morning. >>> we are going to speak with former trump national security adviser, john bolton, his contractor to the justice department opposing the release of the mar-a-lago search affidavit. >>> so, it's primary day

and rudy giuliani knows this well. so, yes, if you're talking classic attorney/client privilege and you're trying to get me to talk about what my client and i are talking about, yeah, of course, that's not it. but he's the subject of the investigation. he's not being brought in, brianna, because they want him to tell them what trump may have done or not. we're talking about rudy giuliani's actions and that's the difference. >> but sophia, he's talking about this is fascism that he's facing? >> come on, every day is fascism, certainly networks say that. and when they say that what did trump do, they raided my house. yes, they're going to say fascism. i actually think it wokworks fo him a little bit. >> thank you for sharing your reporting as well. >>> all right. primary day in wyoming. and also alaska. high-profile elections on the ballot today in alaska, sarah palin, the former republican governor and vice presidential candidate is looking to make a comeback. she is live for alaska's lone seat in congress. here now, cn

rudy giuliani is way off there. certain communications that rudy giuliani had individually with his client donald trump may be protected by the attorney/client privilege but not if they represent to an ongoing crime. but the public statements that he made as part of his representation of donald trump, that they are privileged, that is nonsense. that is absolutely not the case. now, could prosecutors try to force rudy giuliani to testify? as complicated because if rudy says i claim attorney/client privilege, you can't physically force him to talk. as a prosecutor you then have to go to a judge and initiate litigation which takes time. so prosecutors will have to figure out is it worth it to fight for that testimony. >> you disagree with how fulton county prosecutors have gone about this, you think that this was perhaps an underwear to bring giuliani in. explain. >> i do. it is not a rule or law, but seen as good prosecutorial practice that once you have designated somebody as a target, you don't then subpoena that pe

"oh, rudy, you've done it again!r ] after he pulled out, rudy went on steve bannon's podcast to explain his decision and did not do himself any favors. >> are you saying your concern is they would doctor the tape and hold it back [ laughter ] >> you want -- >> come on would they - >> this is not your first rodeo? it's not your first rodeo? >> you got a bunch of people on that committee that tried to frame a sitting president of the united states. and i'm gonna trust them do i look like a fool? >> seth: do you look like a fool [ laughter ] well - ♪ ♪ [ laughter ] ♪ we've used that last photo so often, i've started keeping one on my wallet now for emergencies. [ laughter ] it's fun when i say, "you want to see a picture of my son?" [ laughter ] "aah!" anyway, the important point is, now that rudy is refusing to testify, the committee is threatening to hold him in contempt >> giuliani's decision to stonewall the committee now puts him on the very same path as other trump allies, like mark meadows, dan scavino, and steve

oh, rudy, you done it again!ter ] and again i should clarify, you know, all jokes aside here, when he married his second cousin, which is a real thing he did, her maiden name wasn't giuliani. i mean, this man was the mayor of new york city how dare i treat him like some sort of clown? oh, well, all right. [ laughter ] well, i guess it's fair now. you know who probably panicked when rudy giuliani appeared as a jack-in-the-box? this guy, yeah i'm going to lay low for a while. [ light laughter ] and yet somehow that was not the only incredibly stupid thing to happen in republican politics yesterday, because one of trump's longtime friends and allies, piers morgan, released an overly dramatic trailer for a new interview with trump where he claimed trump angrily stormed out of the interview when pressed about his election lies. >> okay, piers, i'm ready. >> a former president in denial. >> i'll be completely straight with you to your face. >> i think i'm a very honest man. much more honest than you, actually >> really

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rudy rudy giuliani's counsel has asked the special gradually six or seven times, and is he a target? an answer until today when they did. rudy giuliani is now a target, that is a specialized term that prosecutors used to say basically you are likely to be indicted. as that specialize meaning. and prosecutors tell someone they are a target because basically number one, they want to get that person the opportunity to cooperate or flip, and to, because they want to give that person an opportunity to find out why they want to where they might be charged. we know that the grand jury is looking into allegations, have been 11,780 votes, we know they're looking into allegations that rudy and others were trying to tell a story about election fraud which had no basis in fact, and has been repudiated. we also know that there have been allegations that the voting machines may been seized, tampered with, some of the software, all of those things are swirling around. we don't know exactly what the grand jury is looking at but we do know at this point that rudy giuliani is facing a criminal, a crim

rudy giuliani speaking out after learning prosecutors have named him as a target in their special grand jury investigation in georgia. details on that development in just a moment. there are lots of them. let's begin with katelyn polantz in washington. so, first, walk us through the doj's position on what would be a rare step of making public an affidavit for a search warrant at this stage. >> reporter: right. well, it would be rare to make a search warrant affidavit public, but we are at a point where there is a push for transparency, not just on capitol hill, but the media, including cnn. in court the justice department made a set of arguments and really a couple little details about this investigation that they're saying should keep this affidavit secret, confidential, only for their eyes and for the judge's eyes. in their filing yesterday, they wrote if disclosed, the affidavit would serve as a road map to the government's ongoing investigation, providing specific details about its direction and likely course in a manner that is highly likely to compromise future investigative steps

then, rudy giuliani now the target of a criminal investigation into the big lie in georgia. how much trouble is he in and what could it mean for the former president? plus, the texas governor it's political ploy to try to punish blue states over immigration policies. the problem is, this isn't politics for the thousands of desperate migrants. the human cost of political gains. as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. >> good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. we begin tonight with the dramatic spike in violent threats against fbi agents. threats so concerning that president biden is now being briefed on the danger. the bureau has been under attack from former president trump himself and his allies ever since that search on his home in mar-a-lago just one week ago. the fbi and the department of homeland security had issued a joint intelligence bulletin risethreats to law enforcement officials. presumably carried out by supporters of the former president. and just today, a pennsylvania man was arrested for threatening to kill fbi agents, threats he posted on

rudy giuliani, officially named a target of a criminal investigation.hat change for giuliani and for donald trump? >> lawrence, rudy giuliani's resume really took a worse for the turn for the worst today. on the one hand, he's a former new york city mayor, is a former new york states attorney, is the former personal attorney for the president of the united states, but now he has to include on his resume that he is the target of a criminal investigation into election fraud. there is a technical definition of target and i actually pulled out my old u.s. attorneys manual. that sort of the procedural bible the by which we federal prosecutors do business. it's the definition of target that is pretty much universally accepted even in the state systems. i want to read it verbatim. a target is a person as to whom the prosecutor or the grand jury has substantial evidence linking him or her to the commission of a crime and who in the judgment of a prosecutor is a punitive putative defendant. a target is the guy we are looking to indict. >> not necessarily the onl

let's start if rudy giuliani were your client today.knows he's a target of the investigation, how does that change his posture in that room? knowing he's not there as a normal witness. they're not asking him what happened this day or that. they're asking him questions with the stated goal he might be indicted. >> he has a lot of legal exposure and they informed him ahead of time he was a target. i expect him to be circumspect. perhaps take the fifth amendment, perhaps try not to answer certain questions, but i don't think that he is going to be in a position where it's going to be in his interests to speak freely and share everything that he knows. he has lot of legal exposure here now he's been informed a target. >> help us understand where he is donald trump's lawyer and where he is not. as in where he can say i can't talk to you about that. it's a privileged conversation. i want to go back to the election in 2020. most people think as a lawyer you represent your client in court or some other legal proceedings. he was in public all th

he likes rudy giuliani.be charged recently and he has already been suspended from the new york bar. he likes -- he used to like michael cohen. michael cohen is a convicted felon. he likes sidney powell. well, sidney powell is facing many civil lawsuits because of her conduct with the former president. so the kinds of pressures that you're put under, if you're representing somebody like donald trump, are ones that if you're at the top of your field, you really can think to yourself, i don't need this. >> all right. ken dilanian, thanks. andrew wiseman, our thanks to you. but you'll stay with us. >>> this morning, rudy giuliani is appearing before the georgia grand jury on interference in the 2020 election. we'll have the latest from outside the court. >>> and tomorrow, longtype trump executive allen weisselberg is expected to plead guilty in a tax case tied to the trump organization's business dealings. what it means for the larger investigation, next. what it means for the larger investigation, next. some pe

well, it appears that rudy giuliani l it appears that rudy giuliani is inconsiderable legal jeopardy,ing legal jeopardy in georgia but also facing legaljeopardy in other cases in new york, so there are multiple factors going in to rudy giuliani's potential illegal exposure here but in georgia specifically this idea that attorney—client privilege applies to his testimony is a weak argument. attorney—client privilege only applies to advice and discussion with your client about legal advice, but there is also exceptions to that — if it is involved in an ongoing crime, it does not apply. and rudy giuliani made plenty of statements publicly that were not attorney—client privilege, not covered under that. public statements are not covered. so, he can try and use the attorney—client privilege argument. he may try and litigate that before another judge, but it is not going to hold legal water. he judge, but it is not going to hold legal water.— judge, but it is not going to hold legal water. he spent six hours today — hold legal water. he spent six hours today giving _ hold legal water. he sp

why only rudy giuliani? >> alisyn, the reason that i think donald trump not is a current target but is at risk of being named as a target, the reason is because he was so intertwined with rudy giuliani on the facts of this assault on the law in georgia, because the two of them were, in essence, joined at the hip. i don't see a world in which giuliani gets a target letter, and that's what a target designation is. it's a letter from the government telling you that there's substantial evidence of possible crime and that you may be charged. i don't see a world in which the d.a. down there, fani willis, doesn't also get, eventually, she hasn't made the decision yet, but eventually get to saying the same about trump. so, trump is also at great risk, even if it's not named yet. >> elie, you heard there from rudy giuliani that he says that he won't answer any questions that are covered according to him by attorney-client privilege. how's that correspond with the law? >> not at all. there's all sorts of wrong in the

and because rudy giuliani was central to those pieces, he's a key witness. i can't underscore enough how his lawyer was notified, your client is now a target. when costello asks prosecutors in georgia is my client a target and the answer is yes, that is very serious. and it doesn't bode well for rudy giuliani in the federal element of the investigation either. >> and, cynthia, give me the legal word on this, if you can. >> well, it means that the grand jury believes that there's substantial evidence linking him to the crime and that he's likely to be a defendant. this is a very important distinction about the state court that doesn't really have the federal target system and the federal system. the judge in the state court has already caused willis about not using the target language. i think it's interesting that she's gone ahead and done it anyway and the state court judge is a former federal prosecutor and he's aware of what this target language means. i find it shocking that he would show up. anybody who gets a target letter and shows up on the grand jur

ken, back to rudy. one last thing. he has said publicly everything he said and did was at the behest of his client, donald trump. to your ear, do you think that's the beginning of him sort of throwing donald trump under the bus saying, don't look at me, i was doing this for my client? >> i think so. i think that's why you invote attorney-client privilege. listen, rudy knew what he was getting into when he took on donald trump as a client. trump new the strike price for rudy's soul. access, relevance, fame and money i. he was seduced, but now he's paying the price for that. >> ken freetd man, phil mudd, elliot williams, thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> congresswoman liz cheney lost her gop primary but vows she's not going anywhere. details on her next mission to block donald trump's return to office. >>> former alaska governor sarah palin is one step closer to making a political comeback we'll talk the state of the gop we'll talk the state of the gop next. ♪nenever touch ground, never enough♪ ♪got me feeling goodd

what's the significance of the lawyer being informed your client, rudy giuliani, is a target? big deal. it is the difference between you being a witness and you being the actual defendant in terms of the potential for what this entails. what we know is that fawny willis has been building a case to deal with the election interference that occurred in 2020. she's been talking to lindsey graham, she's been talking to everyone who was around this situation and before now, rudy giuliani had been subpoenaed as a witness, in terms of trying to deal with the investigation and gather facts. but now at this point, what this says is that there's been enough information to understand that rudy giuliani is a target. meaning that he is a potential defendant. so his attorney, his strategy around what he does when he shows up in fulton county is entirely different. now there are different things that he anecdote in terms of invoking the fifth, in terms of not necessarily testifying in front of the grand jury, because he has that right not to do so, but understanding that when that grand jury

and rudy's council has asked the georgia prosecutor six or seven times in the past, hey, is rudy a target? and they never got an answer until today. and they said yes. he is a target. and target is a special term prosecutors use to indicate someone is likely to be indicted so you're absolutely right in the way you portrayed the news today. it has a specialized meeting. one, give them a chance to cooperate or two, give them a chance to explain why they shouldn't be charged. at this point, he's going into the grand jury on wednesday. i suspect you know, the first time they'll say someone should follow trump's advice, but like trump last week took the fifth amendment 440 times. i suspect that would be a wise thing at this point for giuliani to do as connection to the fake elector's plot. the voting machines, all these false, bogus allegations and the graph put it nicely. not in november. not right when the election happened, but continuing after everyone knew this was totally bogus. >> yeah, you mentioned that. i think we can put that back up exactly there. the lawsuits, even the beginning o

that was a very different approach than what rudy giuliani took.e he literally walks up courthouse steps and past a throng of cameras and into the courthouse. he was questioned a number of different ways and said i'm going to wait for the grand jury to finish up before i say anything. he really didn't say enough. but this has been a rather lengthy time he has been inside of this courthouse. he walked in about six hours ago. so while these are secret proceedings and we have no way of knowing what's happening inside, we can do whatever tea leaf reading we want to do and it lets us now there probably is some sort of back and forth going on between rudy giuliani and those questioning him. we do know his attorney already laid the foundation essentially saying he's likely going to shy away from addressing any sort of conversations that he had with the former president, saying that he was likely going to claim attorney/client privilege, but as for the meat of what he's going to be questioned on back in 2020 pedaling conspiracy theories, the very interest

. >> in your book, you refer to former new york city mayor rudy giuliani as a swamp creature. and i don't think you meant that as a term of endearment. and fiona hill testified of rudy giuliani, you said that he is a hand grenade that is going to blow everything up. that was in relation to the situation with the call to ukraine. ambassador, how surprised are you to see the former new york city mayor now as a target of an investigation in georgia? >> well, i have to say, i'm very saddened by that this. i'm saddened that this has happened to rudy giuliani and i think it is going to happen to other people, but it tells me that president trump may be right behind him in terms of liability. if rudy is in trouble as the target of an investigation, i think trump almost certainly is as well. >> i do want to ask you about iran, if i can, for a second here. on friday, author salman rushdie stabbed, he's recovering, thankfully, this morning, but with life changing injuries. iran has denied any responsibility for the stabbing attack on friday, but in some ways has celebrated it. you were

so there are a whole host of crimes that might apply to rudy.t the grand jury for six hours. i have a feeling he probably through every privilege into the mix if you could think of. executive privilege. attorney client privilege. certainly, his fifth amendment privilege against self incrimination. maybe even threw in a doctorate patient privilege for good measure. but the way granted ari testimony works, generally, is the prosecutor must ask every single question that she wants to ask. and to see what privileges the witness offers in response to which question. the reason we have to do all of that, and we don't just let the witness go in and, say we plead the fifth to everything, is because we then have to go to court and litigate what privileges might apply, and what privileges were just thrown up as a roadblock to keep from incriminating another. in this case, to keep rudy giuliani from incriminating donald trump. there really is a method to the madness of keeping somebody in the grand jury for six hours, even if they are not answering questio

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this could be leading to not just rudy giuliani but others. so there's a lot going on here that's beyond just what happens this week with his testimony. and what happens to rudy giuliani's criminal liability potentially in the state of georgia. >> hold that thought for just one second. greg, i know you have confirmed the giuliani news here and there is another trump ally, senator lindsey graham. there's been some back and forth here. he was subpoenaed. he said he's going to challenge the subpoena. a judge said no, you can't do that. now graham's team says he's going to appeal. he's scheduled to testify a week from tuesday. can he avoid the subpoena? >> a federal judge said he can't, that because he was a federal lawmaker, that he had some privilege were thrown out the window. we know that rudy giuliani is just part of a widening investigation. we already know that georgia's 16 fake gop electors received similar target notifications that they were being potentially investigated for criminal charges, as well. so this is the most significant deve

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rudy then winked at him.s in on the joke, only it's not funny, not to the rest of us. >> this was when? >> recently, a couple weeks. >> within the last month or two, i mean during this georgia probe? >> yes. >> it's interesting, you're saying according to this person, you're both quite close to him historically that he aconvinced knowledge, a lie they put forward to the government to overturn an election. >> that's what a wink implies to me. >> yes. please. >> i say that he's in on the joke, he said his goal was to disrupt the world, he and trump and create chaos. trump thinks that people don't hold onto thoughts for more than three days. he may be right. if he keeps stirring it up, it confuses people and they forget to what's important and what's not, but now he's got to face the piper. >> exactly. we've seen and reported this in a number of strands tonight, whether or not donald trump gets away with that chaos ultimately as trump or attempted coup with the intelligence documents at his florida home remains

donald trump's former lawyer rudy giuliani has appeared before a special grandjury in georgia.tors have told him he's a target of their inquiry, meaning that he could be subject to charges. lawyers for the former new york city mayor had said he'd refuse to answer any questions that violated attorney—client privilege. tara setmayer is a senior adviser at the lincoln project, and she told me rudy giuliani's legal difficulties appear to be mounting. well, it appears that rudy giuliani is inconsiderable legal jeopardy, not only in this case in georgia but he is also facing legaljeopardy in other cases in new york, so there are multiple factors going in to rudy giuliani's potential illegal exposure here, but in georgia specifically this idea that attorney—client privilege applies to his testimony is a weak argument. attorney—client privilege only applies to advice and discussion with your client about legal advice, but there is also exceptions to that — if it is involved in an ongoing crime, it does not apply. and rudy giuliani made plenty of statements publicly that were not attorn

so there are multiple factors going into rudy giuliani's potential legal exposure here.ney—client privilege applies to his testimony is a weak argument. attorney—client privilege only applies to advice and discussion with your client about legal advice, discussion with your client about legaladvice, but discussion with your client about legal advice, but there is also exceptions to that. if it is involved in an ongoing crime, it doesn't apply. and rudy giuliani made plenty of statements publicly that were not attorney—client privilege, not attorney—client privilege, not covered under that. public statements are not covered. so he can try to use the attorney—client privilege argument. he may even try to litigate that before another judge but it is not going to hold legal water. he judge but it is not going to hold legal water.— judge but it is not going to hold legal water. he spent six hours today — hold legal water. he spent six hours today giving _ hold legal water. he spent six hours today giving testimonyl hold legal water. he spent six i hours today giving testimony

he and rudy giuliani have been bffs so far, but rudy giuliani seems to keep a card in his back pocket listen. >> i mean, i've seen things written like, he's going to throw me under the bus. when i sigh that, he say he isn't, but i have insurance. >> he has insurance. what insurance might he have, do you think? can that comment come back? i know this isn't an episode of "law & order" that gets wrapped up in an hour, you mentioned you had insurance on him. expound, please inches i don't think somebody would say that in front of a grand jury, but a prosecutor may say that to his lawyer. look, he said he had insurance. this would be the time to come in. we're this far from indicting him t so if he doesn't want to be indicted, this is the time to talk. i would read that as a signal not only to the trump organization, but also the prosecutors, if this thing reaches to the water's edge, he does have evidence he's willing to provide. >> just hearing you talk about that, frederick, it feels like this is language used to describe a crime syndicate, "the sopranos" not a political sim or organiza

so it is very clear that rudy giuliani is a target, not a material witness.amps up the possibility of a fifth amendment because if you are a target, you could be looking at criminal charges and the fifth amendment attaches. and it also, you know, giuliani will say -- you just know it, he will say attorney client privilege, anything that was -- any kind of communications between him and the president. there are just a few exceptions like ongoing crime which might apply here. but here is the thing. they want him in front the grand jury so they can nail him down. if you want to plead the fifth now, we want to know that because if his story changes between now and the imminent trial, they would have that grand jury testimony which they can read in open court to the jurors. that is the key that they are going after right now. >> all right. thank you so much. nice to see you. >>> president biden takes action on some student loan debt. and a moon rocket rolls out to the launch pad before last joef. last joef. blastoff. blastoff. ♪ ♪ this is the moment. for a treatme

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rudy giuliani knows with the sticks. so anything that would incriminate him, he would've assorted his fifth amendment privilege on the ground that the truth would answer potentially incriminated. with respect to donald trump, i bet that the reason this took so long was because every time they asked him about a conversation with donald trump, he wound up asserting attorney-client privilege. as opposed to the fifth amendment. and i think it took so long because the prosecutor wanted to detail all of these conversations having assert the client attorney privilege with respect to all of these conversations with donald trump. and then go back to the judge and have the judge ordered him to reveal those conversations on the ground that these are conversations in further of criminal activity. and they are not covered by the attorney client privilege. >> there are a lot of big players involved in this georgia case nick. giuliani, lindsey graham, john eastman and of course trump. i mean, let's remind our viewers what he said to se

john eastman, jenna ellis standing there, rudy giuliani. they have been ordered to testify, with all of the attention going on at mar-a-lago, how big of a threat does this fake elector investigation remain to the former president? >> i think the fake elector scheme is one of the most serious that we've seen in the course of the january 6th committee investigation. -- >> this is concrete fraudulent attempt. -- >> absolutely. this is a intricate, fully executed, but nevertheless scheme tip completely undermined the results of the election. and it happened, not just in one place, but with teams of people in multiple states. there's a lot of evidence to go around. >> they sent it into the national archives, they sent these fake slates, it wasn't just, let's talk about it over cup of coffee. it happened. that's illegal. >> will someone be held responsible for this? >> i think there's a good chance, but as with all of these january 6th crimes, the folks most likely to get in trouble first are probably the furthest away from the top level drivers.

. ♪ ♪ >>> happening now six hours after entering the courthouse, rudy giuliani wraps up his appearanceore a grand jury in georgia. we'll have the latest on his testimony in the probe of former president trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential results. also tonight, former vice president mike pence is urging fellow republicans to stop attacking the fbi after its search of mar-a-lago. this comes as the federal judge is preparing to decide if secret information about the search is made public. and liz cheney is vowing to prevent trump from returning to power after her landslide gop primary defeat that will oust her from congress. she says she's considering a 2024 run for the white house in a potential showdown with the former president. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." ♪ ♪ >>> we begin this hour with rudy giuliani facing the georgia grand jury knowing he's the target of a criminal investigation. the former trump lawyer questioned under oath about the ex-president's potentially illegal attemp

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>> a ginger meant. >> it wasn't just rudy giuliani. we heard president trump make these false allegations repeatedly during his call with secretary raffensperger. let's listen to a portion of what he had to say about you and your mother. >> we had at least 18,000 that is on tape. we had them counted. 18,000 voters having to do with the -- she is a vote scammer. a professional vote scammer and hustler. >> donald trump attacked you and your mother using her name, 18 times on that call. 18 times. miss moss, can you describe what you experience listening to president trump attacking you and your mother with a call with the secretary of state of georgia? >> i felt horrible. i felt like it was all my fault. like, if i would have neither decided to be an elections worker i they could've done anything else, but that is what i decided to do, and now people are lying and spreading rumors and lies and attacking my mom. i'm her only child. they're going to my grandmother's house. i am her only grandchild. and mike is -- my kid is just -- i just fe

guests >> i want to now introduce our witnesses today and swear them in our first witness is - >> rudyani [ laughter ] >> seth: i'm guessing you can trick rudy giuliani into going anywhere if you put him in a jack-in-a-box costume like that. [ laughter ] one day we're going to see federal agents carrying him out of his apartment building in that costume you guys promise we're going to 'america's got talent,' right? in that case, i'm going to crawl back in my box and go over the lyrics to 'fireworks,' so i don't embarrass myself i'm guessing that didn't happen, although we don't know for sure, since as of this taping, we haven't seen the hearing which gives us something in common with viewers of fox news, which announced in advance that it wouldn't be airing the hearing live >> fox news making a programing decision and sticking with its primetime lineup on thursday tucker carlson and sean hannity. this is instead of showing the january 6th select committee hearing concerning the capitol hill riot. >> seth: of course, fox isn't airing it, they're a key suspect in it. they would be -- tha

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first, you will see evidence that trump's legal team, led by rudy giuliani, news that they lacked actual evidence of widespread fraud sufficient to prove that the election was actually stolen, they knew it, but, they went ahead with january 6th anyway, and, second, consider how millions of americans were persuaded to believe what donald trump's closest advisers and his administration did not, these americans did not have access to the truth like donald trump did, they put their faith and their trust in donald trump, they wanted to believe in him. they wanted to fight for their country. and, he to save them. for millions of americans that may be painful to accept but it is true. thank you mister chairman, i yield back. >> without objection the chair recognizes miss murphy and the gentleman from maryland, mr. raskin, for opening statements. >> thank you, mister chairman, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that then president donald trump lost in a free and fair election, and, yet, president trump insisted that his loss was due to fraud in the election process, rather than to the democratic

let's start with rudy guilani — and him being made a target of a criminal investigation?gnificance of that? i think this is significant because we have someone who is very close to donald trump and his inner circle, his personal lawyer. now apparently being targeted himself as part of this criminal investigation and so, this is a first but not only this investigation is under way to investigate donald trump's role in trying to essentially flip the result of the 2020 election in the state of georgia which we now know was won byjoe biden, but we know that rudy giuliani himself is the focus of the investigation. we know he's due to give evidence for this be spoken to by a grand jury later this week. but we don't know is whether you'll actually answer questions or if you plead the fifth or so he doesn't incriminate himself to some of the donald trump did in a separate case but we also understand from the his spokesperson that rudy giuliani won't be answering any questions that essentially require him to divulge what he and donald trump said between themselves that the special