president trump's personal lawyer rudy giuliani subpoenaed.ocrats seeking documents related to ukraine. the basis of this fast-moving impeachment inquiry. and all of this comes as the new cnn polling just released unveils that 47% of americans say president trump should be impeached and removed from office. cnn's evan perez joining us live. so what more are you learn being this subpoena? >> reporter: well, this is something that certainly people close to the president were anticipating. they expected that this moment was going to come. and so they've been kind of preparing as to what to answer the question of what is the privilege, the president's personal attorney and will they declare some kind of privilege and so you could expect that is where this conversation is going to go next. but i should point out that there is a couple of complications. rudy giuliani last week in an appearance on fox news shared some information, some text messages he said that were -- with kurt volker who was at the time the envoy to ukraine for the administration

rudy giuliani's cellphone number as well.o feels like a next too a bit. >> i think that it is something to probe. i think -- i get the sense that the attorney general is a lot more careful than giuliani. and so i would expect that there may have been conversations,but given what a loose cannon giuliani has been, somebody with a career like the attorney general's he i think would be very, very careful about what he shared with giuliani. >> and, you know, we may come to the point where he claims that there may be a point where barr might be forced to have to name a special counsel. i imagine mr. barr is looking for every way to avoid that outcome. but i don't -- you know, it is amazing how low he is trying to fly. >> the way that i see it, there is no difference between bill w barr, rudy giuliani and michael cohen. bill barr decided a long time ago before he even jumped into the position that he was going to be a fixer for donald trump. that he is donald trump's personal lawyer. >> you know, i understand that that is the way so

you mentioned rudy giuliani. "post" reports that democrats are already examining whether trump and rudy giuliani sought to manipulate ukrainian government into helping trump's re-election campaign. giuliani just told chris that he did ask ukraine to investigate joe biden after first denying that. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is, what is rudy's role? he says he does something and then tells the president. as an attorney for ten years i absolutely never did that. is he acting in his official capacity or unofficial capacity? obviously he isn't in any official position where he had to be approved by the senate. what acts are he carrying out? how much of it is for his personal gain? how much of it is to broke the president of the united states? carry out methods that can only be described as byzantine and bizarre. >> congressman, the acting dni, joseph mcguire, will appear before your committee next week. how do you get him to change his mind and release this complaint to you? >> i don't know that we will. i t

so we've heard this, some of these public statements from rudy. it was kind of interesting to see him sort of try to navigate that tonight. but he ended up exactly where he has before. >> so -- >> no, i know. honestly, it reminds me of the -- it's weird but it does, this phony phone call on the howard stern show where the person will say to the radio person, whoever they're calling, you know your show is terrible but i love it, i get a lot out of it. you know you're a liar but you're telling the truth. the person goes along with it. it's just -- it's unbelievable. rudy giuliani will say one thing in one sentence, in one breath, and then completely contradict what he says in the very next sentence, in the very next breath. i want you to take a listen to rudy giuliani's answer with chris when he asked if the president spoke with ukraine's president about joe biden and paul manafort, watch this. >> will you finally answer my question now that we're 12 minutes in? >> do we really believe he didn't know his son was under investigation. >> why won't you

rudy giuliani is rudy giuliani. i think my takeaway from today was another letter that the ig for the odni sent to congress. in that letter it becomes clear this is not some trump trying to get policy change in the letter that was disclosed today the ig again says this is an issue of grave concern. we should interpret to not being a policy issue. it is not just someone who heard something passing in the hallway, but then adds this piece which it is something that most significant and important of the odni duty. in other words it relates to american democracy. and the ability if it is the ukraine the ability of the election to be free and pristine from foreign influence. that letter along with the "washington post" reporting tieing it to the ukraine. suggests this cuts to the core of the democratic process and not going away for the white house. no matter how much they release election security funding or anything that they're going to do in the next couple days to get ahead of this story. >> asha, a lot of people as

president, on rudy giuliani. wipe was it appropriate for nor personal attorney to get involved in government business? >> ask rudy. i will tell you this. that rudy's looking to also find out where the phony witch-hunt started, how it started. a russian witch hurnt turned ou to be two and a half years of phony nonsense. rudy giuliani is a great lawyer, he was a great mayor, he's highly respected. i've watched the passion he'd had on television over the last few days. incredible what he's done. what he has done, he wants to find out where did this russian witch-hunt you people helped perpetrate, where did it start? how come it started? all nonsense. it was a hoax. a total hoax. it was a media hoax and a democrat hoax. where did it start? and rudy's got every right to go and find out where that started and other people are looking at that, too. where did it start? the enablers? where did it all come from? can out of thin air and he has every right to do it. he's a good lawyer, knows exactly what he's doing and it's

rudy going to rudy, we've said it before.newly released white house call notes, which means whatever you think of him and his television persona, the president is inserting rudy giuliani into this plot. and that rudy says, well, he's going to go do it. he appears to be acting on this evidence, which is direction from trump. and that, that could undermine the television persona i mentioned. the type of defense we usually hear from rudy giuliani. >> insiders saying you mucked this up. your response? >> man, i really did. and you know who i did it at the request of? the standpoint. laura, i'm a pretty good lawyer. just a country lawyer, but it's all here. right here. the first call from the state department. the debriefing -- >> so why are they -- >> maya, rudy giuliani is a former u.s. attorney. he tracked and prosecuted mob cases, political corruption. he just held up his phone. is he begging for a subpoena? >> oh, yeah. he just flat-out asked for one. and frankly, he should have been getting one even if he hadn't held his pho

is the president actually retaining rudy giuliani as his counsel in some kind of matter or is rudy giuliani basically acting as an unpaid political volunteer on the president's behalf? so a lot of questions about that and about that kind of privilege that he's trying to assert here. democrats would be smart to push back against that, but also i mean, the universe of people they need to hear from is fairly large. >> what are you hearing about how the white house is preparing for this impeachment process, which is moving very rapidly? >> there's been a lot of talk in the last couple of days about whether they would try to, as the clinton administration did, set up some kind of war room. this was also bandied about concerning the mueller investigation and they didn't do it. jay sekulow, one of the president's personal lawyers, did say they are not setting up a formal war room. they're batting down that idea. one of the people they had floated for leading that was corey lewandowski, and now they're saying they're just not going to go with that strategy. >> it's very interesting, because the hou

>> rudy: that's the way you characterize it. >> john: that's the way to paris to want to burden >> rudydoesn't. >> john: whatever one thing and found out something else and that's we've been digging -- >> rudy: this began with someone coming to me saying this information can clear your client about the corruption in ukraine between the ukraine, the democratic party, the ambassador and the fbi agent who investigated -- >> john: but then it morphs into biden. >> rudy: inextricably combined because biden had the guy fired. by the way, his statement is on record. lazy press could go read it. it don't have to listen to me. ecord available on here that nobody has covered for five months because this town protects joe biden. his family has been taking money from his public office for year years. $1.5 billion from china when our vice president is supposed to be impartially and independently negotiating for us and the kid, he takes him on air force to china. >> john: that was in 2013. >> rudy: indicate unfortunately as a drug addict. china didn't give 1.5 billion to his kid -- biden 'skit, a rec

rudy giuliani now on monster.com or wherever one like rudy giuliani goes when he needs a good lawyer. he's going to need one. joyce, what does it mean, that he's now in the center of not just donald trump's conservative media shenanigans, not just in the center of donald trump's defense and spin efforts for the mule are probe, now smack-dab in the middle of impeachment investigation that have now risen to 55%, public opinion swinging more than ten points in days. it has to at least have something to do with the mayhem and chaos that rudy giuliani brings to all presidential conduct, vis-a-vis donald trump and foreign policy. >> you know, rudy giuliani would have been my first choice for a witness to subpoena right now, too. the reason for that is there's a compelling timeline of conduct involving giuliani and ukraine. i think when it's all put on sort of one level timeline by the intelligence, by the oversight committee staffer for giuliani's testimony, we'll all by surprised by how much of that conduct has been happening in plain sight, and how it all adding up to paint a really compe

i think the president can't really quit rudy guiliani. >> how is rudy perceived by white house officials i would think he causes them headaches. >> yes. and he has caused a lot of headaches. the problem is that he has trump's blessing for so many of the things he does, but it is other people that have to deal with fallout from what he says. mike pompeo is the perfect example of this. that's going to be a point of scrutiny and focus several weeks going through the process, what exactly their communications were between the two of them or other state department officials, how much of that mike pompeo gave blessing to. the problem with rudy is he is not someone that works at the white house, the president can't justifier him. he is the president's personal attorney. he drives people in the white house crazy. >> more on breaking news coming up. still ahead, ranking member of the senate foreign relations committee, mike menendez live with us. stay with us. ers. more towers. more coverage! it's a network that gives you ♪freedom from big cities, to small towns, we're with you. because life can

but did anyone know what rudy was doing? was donald trump directing rudy? guess trump could pardon him. but he doesn't have of the protections. just because he was playing a presidential envoy doesn't make him one. >> and that's why it's extremely important that the democrats who ask these questions do it very quickly and very pointedly. i think it's very smart that adam schiff will be at the forefront. presumely to some kind of outside counsel who gets to this. but the democrats haven't exactly been great about getting answers in these settings either. >> i've talked to former senior national security officials who say that the extraordinary turn of fortune for mike pompeo may end up being the most stunning sort of carnage. trump gave his inaugural address about human carnage. this might sweep up mike pompeo. >> rudy showing these texts whether they're legitimate or not, the fact of the matter is that he was getting access in ukraine that you wouldn't get if you were just some yahoo pretending to be speaking on behalf of the president. we had our own inter

>> damn it, rudy. >> hey, mr. president. >> rudy, you're not on cnn still, are you?. >> good. >> i'm on the joe rogan podcast. >> it begs the question, is rudy doing a lot of help or harm for the president out there? >> i don't know. i love the chris cuomo signage there. >> nice plug there. >> thanks for joining us. last day of september. i'm christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs. "new day" starts right now. see you in october. >>> the president believes it is his god-given right to shake down foreign leaders who are helping his re-election. >>> democrats want to impeach because rudy giuliani talked to ukrainians. good luck with that. >> could not ignore what the president did. he gave us no choice. >> this whistleblower allegation is so serious, it gets to the very heart of our nation's democracy. >> if you read the seven-page little nancy drew novel that the whistleblower put together, it drips with condescension, righteous indignation and contempt for the president. >> president trump has been caught red-handed with his hand in the taxpayer cookie jar. >>> we want

rudy, we covered that. i'm trying to tell you the premise of the question. >> you don't think there's a deep state? of course there is. >> i think there's a little deep state going on in this conversation right now. >> i'm a deep state? i go on television and answer question. >> after adam schiff -- not so great tonight, i've got to be honest. you've been very insulting, very circumspect. >> i'm very insulting directly to your face, not mind your back. i don't do anonymous sources or let me skulk around. >> that's also not very fair to what you're saying. but let me get back to what matters. i understand. >> i think your network is corrupt. >> i understand. here i am giving 20 plus minutes to the president's lawyer to make the case on national television. >> right. >> boy do i hide the ball. >> don't cover biden's bribery in ukraine. go cover the $1.5 billion out of china and then i'll respect you. >> let me ask this question because i want your lawyer's mind. >> not just you, your network. >> no, no, you k

>> you can ask rudy giuliani. but keep in mind rudy giuliani -- >> what about congress? >> that conversation happened -- chuck, if you'd let me answer, that conversation with president zelensky happened right after the mueller report came out after two years of an investigation. rudy giuliani was the president's personal attorney in that case. so, again, you can ask rudy what he was doing. i know that what president trump talked about was continuing to find out what happened with russian interference in the 2016 election because he has been standing up to russia and there's a strong record, by the way, of how president trump has stood up to russia when barack obama wouldn't and joe biden was vice president and they wouldn't stand up to russia. >> do you think it was appropriate for the president to ask a foreign leader for help investigating his chief political rival for 2020? >> again, go look at what he talked about in that conversation. he was talking about the 2016 interference that happened in our election. look, there have been media reports for years, joe biden hi

just the role of rudy giuliani in this, i just want your perspective. >> well, rudy giuliani just won't go away because the president doesn't want him to go away. i remember during the russia investigation there were the real lawyers and then there was the tv lawyer who was rudy giuliani. and the real lawyers used giuliani as a way to talk to trump. he became the trump whisperer because they knew that trump would listen to him. so after the russia investigation goes away, he and trump continue their relationship and there are still some things that they're upset about. maybe it's the hillary clinton e-mails, maybe it's joe biden, they're trying to get trump elected in 2020. you know, it reminds me that rudy was there during stormy daniels, he was there for the whole michael cohen investigation when there was questions about should we pardon michael cohen or not pardon michael cohen. and he's just risen again. and people in the state department and the national security agency are probably -- and kylie would know about this -- are probably pulling their hair out about this because they d

that's rudy giuliani. important piece of context here, the july 25th phone call is the second time that president trump and president zelensky had spoken. the first time was back in april of this year and as we understand it or at least has been reported, it was also in that april phone call where president trump encouraged for the first time president zelensky to have his people meet with rudy giuliani. this was not about one phone call. this was a converted effort over the period of months involving communications between these two presidents and presumably and i think perhaps just as worrisome, efforts on the part of others within our government to subvert american foreign policy and to put rudy giuliani, a private citizen, in charge of matters that have profound importance to our national security. >> ned and joshings thank you very much. up next, what the president said about the whistleblower today behind closed doors. eli has the tape. and he joins me next. ns mnee xt! hey. this is amazing. with mod

i learned that rudy giuliani, anderson, was not a part of that conversation. according a source familiar with these discussions going on inside the president's impeachment team, rudy giuliani is still the counselor to the president is how he's described, the outside counselor to the president. but as it relates to this impeachment inquiry and whether or not rudy giuliani will be part of the discussions among the president's lawyers, that remains to be determined. and so it looks like at this point because rudy giuliani is in some potential hot water right now, he may not be a part of the legal strategy that goes on inside the president's team because they know at this point he may be testifying in all of this. so it may be wise counsel for them to keep him outside of the circle when it comes to some of these discussions. but a source that i talked to about all of this this evening, anderson, insists the president is in good spirits. he's not panicking at this point. but certainly, anderson, when you talk to people in the president's circle of advisers -- i tal

last night rudi referenced that mr. pompeo may have issues with what he's doing, and given hi personal, rudy may be the best source of information, because he doesn't know what he shouldn't say, but i do think the attorney general is part of that list as well. >> you would call the attorney general to testify before the committee? >> i would. i think, first, let's remember, he applied for this job by arguing against the special counsel's work. he's acted not as an independent attorney general, but as a special counsel for the president of the united states, during the mueller investigation and certainly now. he -- the justice department wrote an extraordinary opinion balanced against the weight of law of blocking this complaint before coming before the house in the first place. >> if the white house expresses executive privilege and attempts to prevent testimony from, say, the attorney general or the president's personal lawyer, will the committee exercise its powers, declare those witnesses in contempt, even enforce a

it went from ukraine. >> lauraasked the two lawyers, e of guilty knowledge. >> laura: rudy, rudy, i want to move the conversation forward because we've hit this and had you on months talking about this. >> nobody pays attention to it until now. >> laura: no, we paid attention to it in may or april. >> the krupp media paid attention to it. >> laura: everybody has their own agenda. >> the democrats come i think what they are doing is covering up for what will turn out to be massive corruption in the obama administration. he got $1.5 billion from china. >> laura: the phone transcript that's going to be released, officially telling folks from the white house tonight that there are a few words in the transcript that will raise eyebrows but nowhere as inflammatory as the democrats have suggested. >> is no where near what biden or chris who should be impeached. he went to see the president of the ukraine and told the president of ukraine if you he cooperates with the president, they will cut off aid. that is a quid pro quo. that is threatening. nancy pelosi we would be outraged. they should hav

>> you can ask rudy giuliani. that and the chairman himself said he's not even sure if he would bring brudy. keep in mind, the chairman said a lot of things, made a lot of baseless accusations. chairman schiff was the one for two years saying he had more than circumstantial evidence that president trump colluded with russia on the mueller investigation. and that turned out not to be true. and so instead of saying okay, we were wrong, let's move on, they continue to go down this road of impeachment regardless of the facts. they have said that there were high crimes and misdemeanors. the actual author of the articles of impeachment just recently a few days ago said that if they don't impeach president trump he might get re-elected. he will get re-elected, is what he said. the framers did not put the power of impeachment in the constitution so that you could stop somebody from getting elected who was dually elected in 2016. it's a high crime and misdemeanor standards and they should take that with the respect it dese

>> well, this is why rudy giuliani and trump make such a great pair.plementary pair in many ways. i can discern no media strategy whatsoever. a as the "washington post" reported earlier this evening, rudy giuliani was to speak at a security conference next week that was linked to the kremlin. putin would be in attendance. immediately after the report he told me he was no longer attending that conference, that he would no longer be speaking at it. when i asked why, he told me he had been informed by the reporters that putin had been there, despite the fact that it's listed on the website of the conference. he said he didn't want to give the swamp press, those were his words, any more distractions. so it's the sort of thing that to me is emblematic of the fact that not only does rudy giuliani not have a strategy, the white house doesn't seem to have a strategy. you know, over the course of my reporting this last week, it's become pretty clear to me that with the myriad media appearances that giuliani has done on behalf of this president, from the time th

and when rudy said that, even the fox anchor was taken aback by the fact that rudy was making news >>ht mr. mayor, please keep us in touch with what's going on but for now, we'll let the world know you're not headed to ukraine. >> i will. right now, i'm not going >> all right >> so they can call me before a committee. >> we're out of time >> and maybe i'll take executive privilege or something or other. >> oh, boy >> i don't know. we'll see. >> oh boy. you're making another headline tonight. >> well let's see what can happen >> mr. mayor, thank you for dropping in. >> but they are really pathetic. >> we've got to go >> and scared. and they're on defense >> all right, we've got to go. thank you for dropping in. great to see you >> seth: only, only, only on fox news do they follow, "oh boy, you're making headlines" with "well, we've got to go. [ laughter and applause it was like the director was in the booth screaming -- [ applause ] "go to commercial! go to commercial before journalism happens!" [ laughter ] so just to recap, that's where things stood before last week. the president sa

what did rudy guliani do or say, but more personally what did donald trump ask rudy guliani to do, thereome element to don't shoot the messenger, the question is, about what did 57 whperson who sent the messenger ask rudy guliani to do on his behalbehalf. jon: you talked about him testifying before congress, in his role as president's lawyer, wouldn't anything that he and president have discussed be you know certainly attorney/client privilege. >> potentially, you can expect democrats will try to and we've been through this many times before with other types of oversight hearings and congress, as it pertained to president or trump administration, and these hearings where people again you had witnesses who have refused to answer. have you had subpoenas put forward by congress that have been unanswered as well, that dynamic, we're just at the beginning right now, we have really no clue what the trump administration or rudy guliani specifically will do when pressed. you can't expect they will be press -- you can expect they will be pressed. jon: all fireworks on capitol hill circumstance an

rudy giuliani needs to be subpoenaed tomorrow. he's tried to suggest it was the state department ordering him forward. i don't think that's going to hold up. if he, of course, is acting as trump's personal attorney, nothing is going to be privileged. everything he had to say with zelensky is going to come out. and then, of course, as you say, the transcript, if you read it, is maybe 50% of the call. there are el lip sis in the transcript. there's much more color and nuance that make it a lot worse. as matt says, boy, if they thought this was the way to staunch the blood, what underlies it and what will come out next. >> do we know, harry, why there seems to be this narrow focus on campaign finance reform violation? >> yeah. well, that was just what the referral was. intelligence officials happened to see this. the conversation is the 25th. around mid august intelligence officials see this and refer it -- you refer it for a specific violation. that's what they refer. as you know from the stormy daniels affair, you need to be tradin

i don't know who pays rudy giuliani, i don't know what his job is. he talks about being the president's lawyer. i don't see him doing lawyer work. i don't know if he was someone who was told to have these meetings by the state department. i don't know what his arguments are, what his relationship with the president is and how confidential those communications should be. i do think there should be a lot of questions asked of mr. giuliani, and by the way, his own boasts, gallivanting around the world conducting foreign policy and doing dirty work for the president. >> preet bharara, thanks so much for joining us. very quickly, the president is going after the whistle-blower and those officials at the white house who helped him. but joseph maguire, the acting director of national intelligence, in his three-hour testimony today, he was praising the whistle-blower for doing exactly the right thing. >> yes. so whether, you know, he doesn't want to call him a hero, or the president's admirers want to follow the president's lead and take him down, it's impor

he is essentially saying talk to rudy guilliani, talk to bill barr, talk to rudy guilliani, talk to bill barr, interlinking the two of them. >> and let's be clear about what this conversation is about. this has nothing to do with american interests in ukraine. this only has to do with the political interests of the president of the united states. the only reason that biden comes up here at all, the only conceivable reason is that the president wants dirt on biden. what went on here with biden and his son is almost a decade ago. it has no relevance to contemporary relations between ukraine and the united states except as a source of campaign fodder for the president. >> hold that thought. let me get dana bash in here. dana, there is so much here and yet the white house chose to put it out. what does it mean for the president? >> there's something else in the following sentence from what katelyn was just reading from which i think is the key when it comes to what the house democrats did yesterday, the question of impeachment. that is the president didn't just say, please talk to the attorn

i tricked you, rudy. [ light laughter ] but it's not just rudy giuliani's involvement that's detailede whistle-blower complaint there are also explosive details in the report about the lengths to which the white house went to cover up their scheme. now, remember, they keep saying there's nothing wrong in the phone call and everything trump did was appropriate. and yet today, we found out that the trump team actually went out of their way to take the notes of the call and hide them by moving them from the place they're normally kept to a high security location where very few people would see them. >> here is where the alleged cover-up comes in. quote, "in the days following the call, i learned from multiple u.s. officials that senior white house officials had intervened to lock down all records of the phone call, especially the official word for word transcript of the call that was produced, as is customary, by the white house situation room." >> the whistle-blower reports that "the white house officials told me that they were directed by the white house lawyers to remove the electroni

and now rudy giuliani is playing that job. we have to take a step back and realize there's a broader context here. no limit, no boundaries. that's how donald trump has lived his life personally, as a businessman, and conducted himself as president. those are the facts. and whether the minority leader in the house kevin mccarthy who i thought was a republican who stood for national security and i'm sure he's got statements in the past with the invasion of crimea in the ukraine now all of a sudden doesn't want to go near this topic because he thinks democrats are coming after the president given what the president has said he already did. so the fact that giuliani is freelancing here is really at the behest of the president. the fact that mike pompeo is going on television saying the bidens should be investigated for something that is completely unfounded. when he's secretary of state, he's supposed to be running foreign policy. not trying to get a foreign leader to provide political dirt to help the president of the united stat

do you know if rudy guiliani has security clearances? >> i'm unaware of any security clearance he has or any official role or unofficial role at the state department. in all of my intercessions with the secretary of state and with the state department, no one has ever told me that rudy guiliani plays any role at any level in any way with the state department. >> members of the house intelligence committee, senator, want to hear testimony from rudy guiliani and from the attorney general, bill barr. what happens if these key witnesses refuse to cooperate? >> well, this is where the house can play a much different role than we can in the minority in the senate. the house has the power to subpoena these individuals. if they fail to comply with the subpoena not just for documents, which i understand the house committees did today, can subpoena the secretary of state to come before their committee, if in fact he refuses to do so voluntarily. i would hope he does so voluntarily, i hope he would do so before the senate foreign relations committe

i had blown it off as just, oh, they've given rudy -- >> crazy rudy. >> some whacky mission in ukrainebut actually probably giuliani was the only person who took donald trump seriously at all. so you've got -- it's like the pizza gate of foreign policy. it's not even to the watergate level. that's what a republican operative i was texting with today said this isn't watergate, it's pizza gate because it's so stupid and conspiratorial. you get that the two men, they are just so delusional about what actually would defeat joe biden in 2020. >> i mean, the conduct is watergate-like. and i think someone said to me today remember what the russians look for. they don't need you to pick up the phone and call them. we don't know that trump didn't. but they are looking for signaling. what trump has signaled by releasing this call is to the russian bots and troll farms. and i think robert mueller indicted a slough of them to spread this information about hunter biden. >> they don't actually have to find anything for it to be successful. they just want to raise questions. they just want to get the

that said, the way that rudy is inserting himself into it is both not helpful i think to rudy and torump because it kind of jumbles it. he's getting the facts wrong, and he is making it appear as if this is just a partisan hit job, whereas if he would just kind of leave the reporters to do the work on it, i think that, you know, potentially this story might be taken more seriously. the other point about -- >> let me bite on the chum you just threw in the water. if you're covering it anyway, why is donald trump urging the ukrainian government to open an investigation if it's already under investigation? >> right. i mean, i think not to try to get into their head too much, but i think they probably think that having the ukrainians investigate it will sort of force the media to cover it more. i mean, we took a very serious thoughtful approach that took quite some time to do an investigation on this -- on the involvement of hunter biden with this gas company and the oligarch who owned it. we found some interesting things. we laid them out. and then we kind of said, okay, we are not going

in fact, i don't know what's happened to rudy.used to speak in full sentences and logically. it's hard to find those now. in fact, the fact that he represents himself as the president's attorney earlier today i did a search in all of the southern district to see if he was the attorney on any case. he is not. he is named as a defendant in 40 cases, but he's not representing anybody in court. >> at one point giuliani told a reporter i'm not acting as a lawyer. i'm acting as someone who has devoted most of his life of straightening up government. tonight he pointed out that he is an attorney. he is all over the place. >> he is. one of the things that happened to nixon in water gate, i asked the water gate prosecutors, did nixon ever have an attorney who you thought was competent? and all of the prosecutors said never. he never really did come up to the level of being well-represented in their eyes anyway. i think that's what we're seeing with rudy giuliani. trump has good civil lawyers. i don't think he has good criminal representati

>> damn it, rudy!rudy may have been able to bluff with the incumbent president and robert mueller, and the trump people prevailed. he never testified so he could say oh, there is nothing. giuliani is a civilian. he is not donald trump in the white house, and the house impeachment process is not robert mueller who was predestined not to indict because of the doj rule. and also, the trump people said oh, you can't indict us. junior said i didn't really understand campaign finance law. well, giuliani does, and already two republican prosecutors at the doj with giuliani, bruce fine and jeff harris, who was his chief of staff have said he's vulnerable to prosecution because he clearly tried to get something of value, whether it's an exchange or not doesn't really much matter, because they saw something of value from a foreign national. >> right. >> which is per se illegal. >> and that goes to the smarter lawyers, which include now attorney general bill barr as we've been reporting tonight, seem to be lookin

will they get rudy giuliani in the chair? but if you're building a case, or what impeachment is is a political trial, sometimes it's the impeachment we don't know much about publicly who will give you the clues, if you will, the crumbs, if you will. the ambassador and kurt volcker, democrats believe, can take us beyond the president's call. they believe this was going on weeks and months in advance and that the former ambassador and the former special envoy know all the critical pieces, a, about what rudy giuliani was doing, and b, how much government resources went into this. >> absolutely. they played a role into hearing from the state department, hearing from rudy giuliani who wants to come over and meet with these people, helping set the meetings up, and they know where the pressure points were, especially relating to the $400 million in aid in military and state department aid that was held up that is also a piece of this. so that's sort of the first stumbling blocks they have to get through. and eventually, you know, th

: let >> rudy: let me tha couple of facts.o background in private equity. >> rudy: a seriously disturbed person. >> sean: no background in ukraine or energy. >> rudy: you know the three partners in the firm? he got thrown out of the military for being a drug addict. his stepson. why what is he doing involved in this? this stinks to high heaven. it's a disgrace. it will be one of the great american scandals when it's eventually uncovered. it's not just ukraine. it's ukraine and china. and they cash in. you can't escape a pattern. and sean, i told you this was going to happen. >> sean: you did. >> rudy: it's going to get much worse. i guarantee it. >> sean: i guarantee it. stick to it there's documents. there's tapes. there is a come fleet money lawn of transaction. the money went from ukraine to latvia to cyprus to the u.s. i will add to what my friend john solomon said. another reason why the prosecutor got in trouble was. money laundering. that's what drug dealers did dominic do. they use cyprus a lot. why does this kid get p

rudy just admitted something outrageous., any other president would be impeached that afternoon. >> rudy added in a tweet after that television appearance last night that the biden family made, quote, billions off of china. so that's another point, just throw something else out there. >> another lie. >> what did donald trump and people like rudy guilliani know that their hard-core supporters believe what they hear from the president's mouth and certainly not from the media because the president of the united states has trained them that this is all fake news. so rudy guilliani can get away with the supporters with saying these things, but let's be clear again about what is happening here. >> right. >> personal attorney for the president of the united states is fishing around ukraine for dirt on the opponent that the president fears most in the 2020 election. that's what is going on. >> and "the washington post" has editorialized that the president of the united states is saying or has said to ukraine before this past week, i

the process as rudy giuliani has alleged. the state department has not replied to our requests for comment. last week secretary pompeo did claim that to his knowledge, everyone at the state department had acted entirely appropriately. we are waiting for an update from them. >> waiting for that response. >> michael, when it comes to this possible subpoena, you are learning more about whether rudy giuliani would cooperate and there are questions of attorney/client privilege and how it comes into play. what are you finding? >> it could be a little confusing of that clip of what rudy giuliani is willing to do. he does not commit to not or appearing to if he's subpoenaed. what he's trying to do here is muddy the water to get out this information that he believes that adam schiff, the dell je intelligence committee. what you press him relying on the idea that i have to talk to my client. rudy giuliani's client is the president of the united states. he's putting the ball in president trump's court here whether or not he'll testify a

so if the president tries to throw rudy giuliani -- rudy under the bus going forward as he sometimess with others he's not going to be able to separate himself from the actions rudy giuliani has taken on the president's behalf, on donald trump's behalf as his personal lawyer. >> all right. senator van hollen, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >>> just a short time from now the president is holding a news conference and the big moment is this. he and ukraine's president are set to meet. stand by. >>> the white house transcript of the call between president trump and ukrainian president zelensky brings us answer what was discussed and questions as well. how exactly do these calls work? who transcribes that? what are missing in the key ellipses in the transcript and shedding light on this process a former situation room officer who managed calls like this under president obama. larry pfeiffer is with us. we have a lot of questions. you've looked at the transcript. i mention there are ellipses in key spots. we know voice recognition software is used and also recollection used by pe

the president's counselor, former mayor rudy giuliani. good to have you on the show. >> i'm glad i'm on tonight because what you just said is totally erroneous. every single thing you just said is completely spun in the same direction you've been doing for two years with these, oh, tonight papadopoulos is going to prove russian collusion. let me tell you what happened, okay? >> yes. >> what happened is that i was investigating, going back to last year, complaints that the ukrainian people, several people in ukraine knew about a tremendous amount of collusion between ukrainian officials and hillary clinton and the democratic national committee, including a completely fraudulent document that was produced in order to begin the investigation of manafort. they were trying to get to us but they were being blocked by the ambassador, who was an obama appointee in ukraine, who was holding back this information. in the course of investigating that, i found out this incredible story about joe biden, that he bribed the president of the ukraine in or

in fact, i don't know what's happened to rudy.when he used to speak in full sentences and logically. it's hard to find those now. in fact, the fact that he represents himself as the president's attorney earlier today i did a search in all of the southern district to see if he was the attorney on any case. he is not. he is named as a defendant in 40 cases, but he's not representing anybody in court. >> at one point giuliani told a reporter i'm not acting as a lawyer. i'm acting as someone who has devoted most of his life of straightening up government. tonight he pointed out that he is an attorney. he is all over the place. >> he is. one of the things that happened to nixon in water gate, i asked the water gate prosecutors, did nixon ever have an attorney who you thought was competent? and all of the prosecutors said never. he never really did come up to the level of being well-represented in their eyes anyway. i think that's what we're seeing with rudy giuliani. trump has good civil lawyers. i don't think he has good criminal repr

so you know rudy giuliani a long time. want to play more of what he said early this week he was on fox news. proclaiming as we heard that he is the whistle-blower here. he's the one uncovering corruption. what do you make of his role in all this? >> you're right, rudy giuliani from the time that he was mayor, you know, he divided this city like no other mayor. in my lifetime. he was an individual that only met with certain folks and had game plan that you know, it was you always have a thin line almost with him between someone who was a prosecutor, became mayor, to someone who was a mob guy you know because he ran his office and things of that nature. that's what rudy giuliani looks like he's doing right now. he's the president's enforcer. he's the president's guy that he sends out to try to be the bull dog. >> he's named in those notes the memo from the whistle-blower complaint there over two dozen times and i know he played it before. but i want to play a little bit of his exchange with senate minority leader chuck schum

someone who has knowledge of what happened with rudy giuliani and rudy giuliani's efforts to try to push ukraine to investigate the bidens. that's not the only thing the committee plans to be doing. a closed door meeting with michael atkinson said the whistleblower's complaint was urgent and credible. he came quickly before they seen the whistleblower's complaint. schiff warned last night that he plan to issue a subpoena to rudy giuliani to get documents and that could happen early this week. we can expect a big push to get information. poppy, ultimately the question for democrats they don't get compliance, what do they do? i am told from a number of democrats they're not going to engage in a prolong back and forth with the administration of a legal fight as we seen. >> one thing to ask for, we have seen how the white house refused over and over and time and time gef again. manu, thank you very much. let's talk about this. our analyst, alex burns is here. our national political analyst and ron browstein, good morning. >> mulvaney was on shaky ground because where was the white house's st

rudy giuliani versus the state department?nd the instructions that he said that he received, the authorization he received from the state department, rudy giuliani has read to many of us in the press corps text messages he received from the former envoy to ukraine, mr. volker, that his actions were in fact, authorized and approved. we joked around about rudy's bombast on tv and calling reporters idiots and so on. one thing that has happened is rudy giuliani, by repeating this message, has raised questions, justified by the evidence or not, about joe biden and his son hunter and their activities in ukraine. and he has raised that to the top of the agenda in a way that is effective, at least to the extent that you can see all of us are talking about it. >> doing it again this morning on abc and cbs. he's a guy who likes texts. he's a source who texts. a rare thing. i appreciate it. up next on "up", he has been pushing for impeachment long before this week. 2020 contender tom steyer's reaction to the turn of events this week afte

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what do you make of all this, what you're hearing from rudy giuliani. >> i actually think rudy giuliani is digging himself a deeper hole, and i do believe that he is the political henchman for the president, not an attorney, not a person that is working for the state department. he hasn't been vetted, he hasn't been hired. he is not a federal employee. what's happened here is that you have him saying one thing to foreign leaders and you have the state department saying something else. and once again our national security is at risk. because this president is hell bent on accessing any information he can to use against his rival in the 2020 election. even if it's fabricated. even better if it's fabricated and then he can bring his attorney general into the discussion. >> this clearly has the votes in the house if this inquiry moove to a vote, which i think is a big expectation that it will happen. the senate, of course, is controlled by republicans. in order to move this all the way through congress, you would need significant republican support on your side. right now you don't have it.