shock waves on team trump over the fbi raid, radiating on rudy giuliani. one trump's adviser telling cnn quote, "this is a show of force that's showing that trump's allies is coming down the pipeline." the new york times reporting one search warrant stated it was seeking evidence related to the firing of marie yanacovich. we have a lot more on this. rudy giuliani is defending himself, the attorneys, plural, hated him and trump. >> i can't believe these people would think that i would do something like this. the u.s. attorney hates me and they hate trump which is why the whole thing, to believe i am some kind of russian agent? >> okay. as promised. let's all think about this, right? really think about this. i know you have some ideas as well. i would like to hear it. >> what happened to the republican party? what happened to the republican party? the party of rudy giuliani under investigation by the sdny, the office he once headed. the party of matt gaetz. the congressman under investigation by the fbi for allegations including sex trafficking. now he's tea

way to strike while the iron is ice cold of course, knowing rudy, there's a good chance rudy's outsidehouse with a film crew right now. "and this is where hamilton learned to rap or as hamilton himself famously put it, 'this is the room where it took place, the room where it took place.' [ laughter ] now, let's see if we can get inside 'mr. hamilton, it's the fbi! we have a warrant. this is perfectly legal. somebody just did it to me last week." rudy sounds like some upper-eastside scam artist who does walking tours for out of towners, but doesn't actually know what he's talking about "okay, today we're going all the places where alexander really stayed, really went, really lived. over here, for example, is a famous ray's pizza, which is famous for the time hamilton went in and said, 'you know, i don't think i can eat a whole pizza. would you guys maybe sell me a slice? and that's how that whole industry got started." in fact, during his little press conference about his hamilton documentary, rudy claimed hamilton would agree with him on at least one thing >> we're going to remind the

rudy is a newcomer. rudy only became loyal to donald when donald became president and rudy could financially benefit from it and donald was able to financially benefit from rudy in two factors. one is that he had somebody who wasn't charging him and i had somebody who was defending him from the various different, you know, allegations that were being brought against him. so there is not this long relationship. they didn't go to school together. they didn't like each other. rudy certainly didn't care about donald when he was mayor and he had power, and donald was just a real estate guy. do i think rudy will flip on him? look, rudy has looked like he has lost his mind several times. i don't think he has gone that far that he is going to stay loyal to somebody who is going to throw him under the bus, the same way he did to me. rudy should take me as the example. if donald was willing to throw me under the bus, somebody who watched his back for more than a decade, rudy is a newcomer. he is there for a year o

i have seen tougher people than rudy giuliani, more determined people than rudy giuliani, who do flipwhen push comes to shove but a lot remains to be seen there. >> well, it was interesting, doug, we were talking about rudy giuliani doing the talking. and i just remember, i thought it was 2016, all over again. when -- or 2016 through, maybe, about 2018. when the magic words were, but her e-mails. and now, rudy giuliani -- the magic words now for republicans are hunter biden. like, that is the get out of jail free card, they believe. it's like everything -- now, his -- the raiding of his property and computers and whatever they took. or were looking at. it's all about hunter biden now? how -- how in the world -- what does that have to do with anything? >> it's just rope and dope. it is just trying to be a distraction to put -- you know, put the focus on somewhere, where they don't want it to be. and remember, this was not the only-trump lawyer. it was not the only lawyer, at least associated with former-president trump, whose home was raided or their office was raided. there was a wash

but you know, when you get mad that rudy hired morons, just remember, you hired rudy, so you may recalling with two guys named lev parnas and igor fruman, a.k.a, the cute one and the shy one, who were later arrested i'm not sure, but i'm guessing that's who trump was referring to and can you blame him? i'm not saying these two are goons, but they do look like the guys who hang out with mugsy in loony tunes. they met with trump and were photographed with him multiple times, including at the white house. and after that white house meeting, parnas said the big guy as he sometimes referred to the president in conversation, talked about tasking him and fruman with what parnas described as a secret mission to pressure the ukrainian government to investigate joe biden and his son hunter in the days immediately following the meeting, parnas insinuated to the two people that he confided in that he believed he was given a special assignment by the president, like some sort of james bond mission, according to one of the people now, if you think they don't look like super spies, and trump should ha

is this good or bad news for rudy giuliani? >>. >> this is good news for rudy giuliani.l about it but realistically this is the most fairway that could be done. rudy giuliani suggested to the court, why don't you let me do the review, i will go through my document and i will decide what's privilege. instead what the judges done is agreeing with prosecutors, they'll appoint independent person who'll review each piece of evidence. if it is privileged, property accusers would not get it. rudy giuliani will have a chance to weigh in on. he can't complain about his rights being violated. >> this the special master's job is to silo out, what does this step mean for trump? >> yeah, so there is two different types of communications here. if there are normal, attorney/client communications between rudy giuliani and donald trump giving him legitimate advise. that'll be privileged and prosecutors will not get it. if they are furthering a crime or disgiscussing an ongoing sch related to the 2020 election and ukraine, that'll go to prosecutors. that's the concern as donald trump woul

it was sort of an interview with rudy giuliani. who then, took that information from yuriy lutsenko, and provided it to the state department. tried to deliver it to mike pompeo, actually. that, in and of -- in an effort, by the way, to get yovanovitch removed, because much of what yuriy lutsenko was telling giuliani was about yovanovitch. that, in and of itself, could trigger -- you don't even necessarily need to lobby for something on behalf of a foreign official. you could merely be relaying information, from that foreign official, to u.s.-government officials. and it -- it would seem that, that was something that rudy giuliani did in a case of passing information, from yuriy lutsenko, to the state department. >> and what's giuliani's latest response? >> well, it's interesting. there -- there's sort of pushback on this idea that he may have violated this foreign agents registration act and pushback saying he didn't take any money from this yuriy lutsenko guy. despite the fact that he did, in fact, discuss the possibility of worki

we start with breaking news related to the investigation of rudy giuliani who is trying to defend himself after federal agents raided his apartment and office in new york seizing personal electronic devices in an investigation that according to the "new york times" is tied to his involvement with removal of former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, a focal point of the first impeachment you may remember. we'll have that story with a reporter who broke it in a moment. first, hours after giuliani told listeners to his radio show today this investigation is about hatred of him and the former president he once represented, sources close to the former president are now talking to cnn about giuliani. gabby is here with breaking details. what is the reaction to the giuliani raid within the former president's inner circle? >> well, anderson, the raid on giuliani's manhattan apartment and office left quite a few trump associates and aids feeling uneasy about what this could mean for the former president and those in his orbit. they said this changed their per zepgss how willing the justice department may

and rudy always said -- rudy giuliani, i was there to get them to do things, to find out what they hadber that. now the only reason that the fbi gets permission to search giuliani's apartment is to see who he was working with in ukraine. my next guest is uniquely situated to help answer those questions, because he was on the phone when giuliani tried to push his conspiracies to and on the ukrainians. igor novikov is now former adviser to ukraine president zelensky and joins us now. igor, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me, chris. hi. >> so, is it accurate that rudy giuliani was initiating the requests and feeding ukraine's president and others in authority in ukraine what he wanted to be true about then former vp biden and his son? >> well, first of all, the transcript is out there. so, i mean, we can actually assess rudy jegiuliani's intentions in his own words. that's issue number one. issue number two, yeah, we obviously got the sense that he was pressing hard to get not only those investigations started, but to make a public statement. i kind of -- to me it felt m

i did watch the tucker carlson interview of rudy giuliani.example, he told the viewers that the only way prosecutors can get a search warrant is if there's evidence that the target is going to destroy or in his words run away with the evidence. and i don't know why he is misleading the fox viewers, but there actually is only one thing that has to be proved in order to get a search warrant. you have to show that there's probable cause that a crime was committed and that there's evidence of that crime in the place to be searched. a federal judge concluded there is evidence of crime presently in rudy giuliani's home, in his office and in his electronic devices. so, you know, rudy giuliani's attempt to explain it all away in his words as an illegal search warrant really falls flat. >> so there's another bombastic lawyer and confidant of donald trump's who had a search warranted executed on his work and home, michael cohen. he was on with nicolle wallace tonight with a little advice for rudy giuliani. let's listen to what he has to say. >> this is

little advice for rudy giuliani. let's see what he has to say. >> this is my speech to rudy.'s looking to protect himself so that he doesn't end up spending the rest of his life in prison he may want to actually start to cooperate. it's something i did not do that i probably should have done. hindsight being 2020. >> what do you make of that advice? >> yes, that is the voice of experience talking because let's look at what happened last time federal search warrants were executed on an attorney's home, a presidential attorney, and an attorney's office. that was michael cohen. he ended up going to prison. so past this prologue, i think what he should do, rudy giuliani, is hunkered down with his lawyers and start to discuss, ok, who are the bigger fish i can give up. if it were me as the prosecutor i would be debriefing rudy giuliani about what he knows about bill barr about donald trump about don jr.. if anybody knows the value of cooperating with the criminal probe it is a former u.s. attorney like rudy giuliani. >> and there is more to it than the bombast, the things having t

do i think rudy will flip on him? rudy's looked like he's lost his mind several times. i don't think he's gone that far that he's going to stay loyal to somebody who is going to throw him under the bus. >> michael knows what happens here with trump when you're friends with him and then you turn against him. but nonetheless, is giuliani the big fish here, or could trump easily be the big fish and giuliani could turn on him? >> yeah, well, we have seen now, if past is prologue, another president of the united states who had his home and office searched and ended up with several felony convictions and a prison term, obviously, that's michael cohen. so, michael cohen knows whereof he speaks. rudy giuliani is not the big fish here. i mean, rudy giuliani was intimately involved with folks like bill barr and mike pompeo, don junior and others, and most importantly, donald trump. so, if i were, you know, advising rudy giuliani, which is not somewhere i would ever find myself, i would start hunkering down and saying, okay, what kind of information can you bring to the table? bec

rudy drinks too much. rudy behaves in such an erratic manner that who knows what's on those telephones or what's on his computers. >> from what you know, could there be a concern with how confidential, even possibly incriminating, this information could be, and i guess potentially mishandled by rudy giuliani? >> look, i think the issue isn't so much giuliani's use of technology but his judgment. and rudy giuliani's questionable in this case, for a national security official to tell him he's about to go meet with a russian spy and then to go ahead and do it anyway and to use the information on behalf of trump, i mean, it's a puzzling decision. so what he has -- the conversations he's been having both internationally and nationally have been kind of over the top. so i'm sure there's a lot of interesting stuff on his laptop. >> getting back to this relationship between giuliani and donald trump, do you think this could be the moment where that relationship comes to an end? or is this ride or die with these tw

what is going to happen with rudy?other individual in the criminal justice system around make decisions based on evidence, or is it going to be, is it the rudy rule? the same thing with hunter biden. is this going to be the president's son, we all know what he wants to have happen or look on it dispassionately to decide on the evidence. next six months we'll have a real good gauge whether this attorney general is politically malleable or a stand-up guy to do the right thing despite pressure. he will feel pressure. elizabeth: hunter biden. we hear you, the hunter biden laptop reportedly showed that hunter biden was getting paid by the chairman of the cefc with a diamond that is the allegation we heard from fbi sources and former fbi officials, you see payments in diamonds, that is a red flag, could involve money laundering we don't know what is happening here. the other story angle too, jim, we want to talk to, but giuliani, this is a separate story, saying to nbc, "the washington post," "new york times," reveal your an

rudy knows that. he saw what donald did to me and i actually had a relationship with trump for well in excess of a decade. there's no personal relationship between donald and rudy. they were using each other for various purposes. donald in order for someone to defend him for free and rudy so he can go out and grift and go to foreign countries in order to pick up business. it was a quid pro quo. now you have the southern district of new york with a treasure trove. look, maria yovanovitch is the cake. they already know what they have with her. everything else they're going to be able to find on those communication devices is just icing on the cake. rest assured that rudy is no genius. actually, as rudy has gotten older, rudy has become stupider and we've seen that on television. a lot probably has to do with his drinking and -- drinking and making errors are certainly part and parcel. maria yovanovitch is just the base and everything else will be icing. >> michael, let me get your response to giuliani t

do i think rudy will flip on him? rudy lost his mind several times, i don't think he's gone that far that he'll stay loyal to someone that will throw him under the bus. >> joining me now is politzer prize winning reporter with the washington post carol, the author of "a very stable genius, donald trump's testing on america" and the former president's final year in office but none of this is history yet, carol. it is still very much an active part of what is going on. rudy giuliani, the latest chapter in what was president trump's continuing time in office and the part after he left office. what's your take on what's going on and how the trump people are feeling about it? >> you know what i'm struck by, is how both of your topics this morning and the things driving the news are so directly linked to things that the former president trump considered, you know, so important in his life. number one, he's not a loser, that the arizona recount is necessary because he didn't lose the election. even though he's out of office,

giuliani home and office, basically rudy giuliani is saying he's being framed,am rudy giuliani claimsmily is involved in money laundering, that is a big heavy duty charge, what do you think of that. >> you and i have talked about hunter biden and all the different financialin integument the look pretty bad, you can't be immediately dismissive of what he says but it's not exclusive, there could be something that b is getting hunr biden or joe biden, the main thing, the pharaoh statute, the forney agent registration act, something enacted in 1938 to stop not the propaganda was used two dozen times in world war ii and went back on the shelf and collected dust for the next 70 years or more than that, a recently in a couple of high-profile situations attorney greg craig,s paul manafort now possibly rudy, that is it a suspicious start to dust off the old statute to use in select cases as troublesome and the fact that the southern district of newor york operating without main justice where they have the unit and the people who are responsible for. there is a lot to look at their. liz: the fo

did rudy giuliani hurt anybody? no. joining us now, guy benson, host of daily show and podcast for fox news radio and liz claman, host of "the claman countdown" on fox business weekdays at three eastern. guy, "the washington post" was the first to retract this allegation that the fbi had warned rudy giuliani that he was the target of a russian disinformation campaign against joe biden. this came after he denied it. what's the impact on all three news organizations for correcting such a major accusation? >> well, it's a credibility hit again. and, look, if rudy did something wrong or illegal, let's let this process play out, but this is another example of one of the associates of donald trump in the headlines, in the news about some apparent or alleged malfeasance involving russia or ukraine, and you would think based on huge mistakes that have been made in the past on this front, news organizations would be especially sensitive and careful on these questions and on these matters. and yet this is a huge, glaring mistake

so what did to dopey rudy do? around the world, selling the service of america to foreign organizations and countries. that's how he was going to make his money. he was using donald and donald was using him. so donald never had -- he never had the thought in his mind that he was over going to pay rudy. and listening to andrew, who may be dumber than eric trump, talk about this nonsense, it's funny to me. it's funny. the last time i said on another show, the last time i saw andrew, he was giving a golf lesson on trump's golf course. that's where he should be right now, instead of out there talking for his father. his father should say nothing. andrew should be saying nothing. they should be sitting down right now with prosecutors. because rudy knows exactly how the game is going to go. he created the rules. he created the rules to go after organized crime. and they're going to use the same playbook that he created against him. and it works, because they squeeze you, and they know that rudy right now is financially

rudy giuliani is right. obviously this does present some issues.ng with this. they name a so-called clean team, a taint team separate from the investigation of fbi agents and lawyers who go through all the material from rudy giuliani's electronic devices that were seized to make sure that none of it is subject to attorney/client privilege and to remove anything that is and make sure that's not part of the criminal investigation. rudy giuliani's lawyers will get a chance to argue about that in court, as michael cohen's lawyers did. but lawyers don't get a free pass from committing crimes just because they have attorney/client privilege. the government here was able to convince a judge that there was probable cause to believe a crime had been committed and that evidence about that crime was present in those electronic devices at rudy giuliani's home and office. >> craig melvin asked president biden about all of this during his interview with the president. let's listen. >> were you aware of that raid before it happened? >> i give you my word i was no

and learn more about the raid on trump lawyer rudy giuliani's apartment and talk to former trump lawyer motor vehicle who's lived this moment for himself. on sunday joiped by the former -- current white house economic adviser heather boushey. "the 11th hour with brian williams" begins now. ♪♪ >>> good evening once again. day 101 of the biden administration. while the president is pushing ahead with his agenda close allies of the last president are now coming under increasing scrutiny. there's new reporting about the fbi raid this week on trump's former personal lawyer rudy giuliani, his manhattan home and office. tonight "the wall street journal" has joined the reporting which nbc news indeed confirms that investigators are focusing in on rudy giuliani's role in getting former u.s. ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch. and the reporting that the feds want the know about rudy giuliani's efforts to get ukraine officials to open investigations into the bidens ahead of the 2020 election. also, nbc news congress firming "the washington post" reporting that fbi agents paid giuliani a visit

about it in my new hopefully very long-running segment, "rudy, rudy, fresh and scrooty." >> no, no,merica's mayor. ( farting ) >> stephen: this raid is a big deal. the f.b.i. doesn't just pop in to your apartment to borrow a cup of justice. it means there's probable cause that giuliani committed a federal crime. oh, tough break for rudy, the only lawyer dumb enough to defend him just got raided by the feds. which of rudy's, cousin-kissing idiot caper is this for? it goes back to the latest or last presidential election and rudy's attempt to dig up dirt on hunter biden in ukraine with lev parnas and igor fruman, the new cover models for ogar goon monthly. they were arrested in 2019 and that investigation led to questions about whether rudy helped them illegally lobby the last administration on behalf of ukrainian officials and oligarchs. we don't know if those two guys tipped off the feds. it could have been anyone. rudy is constantly dealing with leaks. prosecutors are about to learn more about rudy's involvement in ukraine, because during today's raid, they seized his electronic de

>> yeah, it's a great question, chris, and it comes down to what did rudy know, because if rudy knewe trying to funnel false information to influence our election, he is part of the crime. if he did not know, then he's a dupe. there's good news and bad news. the good news is he's reportedly not a subject of the eastern districts of new york's investigation. meaning they don't believe he's somebody likely to have criminal liability. however, i have seen that change. i have seen people go from non-subject to subject and sometimes target. it's all going to depend on how their investigation proceeds. >> i'm looking at the transcript of what the guy told me. the guy was one of the assistants. put elie up, please, split the screen with me. rudy was working with durkosh, while i was talking to him, he was one of the assistants to the president. he says rudy was working with derkach. he was giving him information. had he was pressuring them to kind of make good on these suggestions from derkach, and suggesting what the man called quid pro quo. where did the government interests lie in this k

instead, they are focusing on rudy giuliani.oolhardy and vindictive and folly to go after a lawyer not representing ukrainian interests and getting paid for it, but representing the president of the united states. he is duty-bound to engage in what he did. gathering of evidence for collection of information and passing it along to his client in addition to the department of justice. he was doing so at the direction and at the behest of the president of the united states. that means he doesn't fall under fara as a foreign lobbyist. no more than a member of congress would be if he or she traveled to turkey and spoke with president and came back and began advocating a pro-turkish position. that is not foreign lobbying. that is their job. it is silly and reckless to accuse a lawyer of doing this. two years ago he was charged with a fara-related. they realized immediately he was acting as a lawyer, not as a lobbyist. so, this is against rudy giuliani a political persecution masquerading as a potential criminal prosecution. it's dumb.

what does it seem to you they are looking for from rudy? >> federal agents appears are looking at two things. the national security threat posed by foreign governments who would interfere in the u.s. elections by spreading disinformation and rudy giuliani was clearly a conduit of that disinformation largely emanating from russia through agents in the ukraine. the second thing they're looking at is whether or not criminal laws were potentially violated when rudy giuliani lobby the trump administration effectively on the behalf of ukrainian officials and wanted trump to fire the u.s. ambassador in kyiv because she was being very rough on corruption in ukraine and i think the theory of federal agents according to these media reports it is that if rudy giuliani was being paid either in cash or in dirt on biden or, others than effectively, rudy giuliani was illegally lobbying the united states government on behalf of a foreign government without registering. that someone has gotten people in hot water and even landed them in prison so rudy giuli

rudy giuliani has to know better than that.ict of new york, the office i worked at years later, which is now investigating him. to put out there just completely out of nowhere that this is happening because the prosecutors hate him. where is he getting this? it's this fantasy. rudy giuliani was once a respected figure in that office. his picture is on the wall. he was a former u.s. attorney. if anything that carries with it sort of this extra notion of respect. and the idea that he is being picked on, i mean all of this is rudy giuliani's own doing. let's just be completely clear. the reason they're going in and getting a search warrant is because they have probable cause that he was involved in a crime and that got signed off by a judge. that's the reason they did the search warrant. and to attribute negative emotions, negative motivation attention is something rudy know better than to do. >> what why would would former president trump want to get involved in this investigation? >> i don't know why former president trump would

. >>> plus, there's been a major escalation in the investigation of rudy giuliani. we have new information on what exactly the feds were looking for when they raided his home. >>> and, we've talked about president biden's first 100 days in office. but he still has more than 1,300 to go. so where do things like race, immigration and covid stand on his ambitious agenda? we'll bring you craig melvin's exclusive interview with the president. >>> from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to the week. ♪♪ >>> and you thought election night was just in november. it's election night tonight and the polls are officially closed for the special election in texas's sixth congressional district. the district includes ellis and navarro couny of the dallas metro row plex. there are nearly two dozen people on the ballot tonight. we're tracking 12 of them as determined by the nbc news decision desk. take a look right now at the results as you might expect, they are a bit too early to call. they're still coming in. so far we're tracking the candidates t

we start with breaking news related to the investigation of rudy giuliani.apartment and office, as well, i

. >>> we begin with rudy giuliani. our cameras have caught him outside his apartment that was raided. he's back on television doing what he did that gave so many clues to investigators. talking about it all on tv. talking about himself. this is, to be very clear, the opposite of what any prudent lawyer and someone like rudy giuliani, a former prosecutor, would advise most people in his situation. he's also making up stuff. he's saying he was framed. he's saying a raid he called quite professional, is now, quote, out of control. >> when something like this happens and it goes to fruition, if they can do what they just did to me, to you -- they can do it to you. you don't see this for what it is? a political act. >> it's not a political act as a matter of law. indeed it's an independent judge who signed off on at least reasonable suspicion that there's evidence of a crime in giuliani's residence, his apartment or office. reuters reports warrants for giuliani's computers were seized. there was also a report by other news

should anyone besides rudy giuliani be concerned about this investigation?rudy giuliani's home, office, and electronic devices being searched by fbi agents pursuant to a federal judge issuing a search warrant because there was probable cause to believe a crime had been committed and there was evidence of crime in rudy giuliani's home, office, and electronic devices. so now the next question becomes what information might those search warrants yield. we've already heard rudy giuliani on the talking circuit say this is an illegal search warrant. well, a federal judge who issued it would beg to differ. we've heard rudy giuliani complaining that there are all kinds of privileged communications between attorney and client and that may very well be so, but what we haven't heard much about, alex, is that if an attorney and a client are engaged in criminal activity together, guess what, prosecutors can pierce the attorney/client privilege and can actually use those communications as evidence of a crime. >> so to your point, there's another former federal prosecutor

in this case, the undisclosed foreign agent was rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. what's at the heart of this particular investigation is whether he essentially successfully orchestrated the removal of a very distinguished ambassador, marie yovanovitch, in return for potentially money as well as dirt on the bidens from corrupt ukrainian officials. >> rudy giuliani likes to claim he was noodling around on his own and when pressed he said he was there at the behest of donald trump. the question you asked in october of 2020, you said why does rudy giuliani have access to the highest levels of government to peddle this information repeatedly. he got disinformation, he spread it around, ron johnson spread it around, and apparently they were warned by the fbi they are being targeted by this. >> that's right. i think there are two reasons why this is important. first of all, the fbi warned rudy giuliani that the information that he was peddling from very suspect individuals such as a russian agent and others, was to get him to stop and then to observe how he behaved after

the federal raid on rudy giuliani's home and office sending shock waves through the former president's inner circle. a trump adviser telling cnn it's a show of force that sent a strong message. and now there are concerns more investigations could be coming. a defiant rudy giuliani condemning federal prosecutors, accusing them of being politically motivated and corrupt. >>> also tonight a new poll shows a clear majority of republicans do not believe joe biden's victory is legitimate. joining me now, cnn white house correspondent john harwood and "washington post" columnist max boot. here we go, gentlemen. post-truth society. post-reality society. good to see both of you. thanks for joining. john, you first. i've got to get your take on this new reporting that people in trump world are worried about the fbi raid of rudy giuliani's office and apartment, that it sends a strong message that others could be next. you covered the trump administration extensively, john. how bad could this get for trump? >> look, there's good reason for them to be concerned because the events that have gotten r

rudy refuses to do that. and not only that, but, you know, the hunter biden line, you know, it plays well, i'm sure on fox news and some other channels and some websites. but it doesn't play well, i don't think, with the southern district of new york, and that's what he has to worry about. he has to worry about the prosecutors. he himself is in legal jeopardy. i don't see how, you know, with talking and talking and talking about extraneous things in this manner helps his cause one bit. >> yeah. i think that's fair. i mean, he has the right to criticize the process or the prosecutors. i'll defend his right to do that. this is a free society. if you want to go at the government, you can play it that way. but i think gene is making a sound point legally and politically, which is really this is a sideshow to who controls this fate. we mentioned michael cohen. you mentioned the president there. we just spoke with him in a somewhat newsworthy interview given that he's got more insight in this than a lot of folks in

we begin with rudy giuliani and my exclusive interview with a long time ukraine adviser. he was listening in by speaker phone for a stunning request to investigate joe biden and the claim that ukraine, not russia was responsible for the camp. >> what did you hear rudy giuliani saying to the president's top adviser? >> he wanted two things. basically it was all about a smear campaign on candidate biden, joe biden. basically, first request was multiple investigations. he wanted investigation. he wanted the situation with the ex-prosecutor general investigated. and he was especially interested in getting ukraine make a public statement and possibly back it up, this crazy allegation that it was ukraine, not russia that meddled in 2016. which is ridiculous, but that's what he wanted. >> he wanted the president to blame ukraine for the hacking investigation on the democratic party in 2016. >> exactly. >> this call to the president's adviser comes just before the phone call with the president. he was setting the stage. >> three days before. the reason for that phone call was we

first, it says a lot about rudy and rudy's trajectory. i mean this is a guy who's gone from being the top prosecutor in new york to being treated as a common criminal and investigated by the very office he used to run. his defense is i'm not a crook, quoting nixon? that's not particularly good. the fbi has seized ten of his devices pursuant to a warrant, pursuant to a federal judge's order. the judge had to certify that probable cause existed to believe a crime had been committed. so that's number one. and look, based on the fact that giuliani blurted out on national tv that trump was paying off stormy daniels, i'm pretty sure prosecutors would be happy with any one of the ten devices, let alone all ten. that's number one, what does it say about rudy. but the second and more interesting question is what does it say about the trump investigation, because there's a lot of people out there who are wondering, like trump looks like he might get away with the stormy daniels stuff, with other financial improprieimproprietie january 6th, with wha

that's where rudy is entering -- that phase is the one that rudy is entering now.e to look at all my records in the office and now they want to know about things i talked about with donald trump. and i have a lot of legal bills for all of this. interestingly, the same pattern is happening here. rudy giuliani is now sending through surgats messages that, i'm in a lot of trouble and i have very high legal bills, and i think the next sentence is, and prosecutors want to know what i talked about with donald trump. so we'll see what happens. if rudy giuliani goes the way of paul manafort, or if he goes the way of michael cohen, but right now he's squarely in a michael cohen trajectory. >> only michael cohen knows that based on the public-facing comments we have seen. thank you both so much. someday i will make both of you staying for the entire hour. it's so enlightning. >>> we'll look in on the state that's able to fully vaccinate half of its population, and as promised, finding new routes to reach your customers, and new ways for them to reach you... is what business

is it possible rudy has a pocket vito?how could rudy giuliani not have a pocket, pardon, a secret pardon. it's important to understand. there is no legal requirement that for a pardon to be valid, the president must announce it to the world. that's not in the constitution. that's not in the law. and it may be part of the d.o.j. process and procedure, but we know that donald trump largely ignored many of the d.o.j. processes and procedures. >> all right. thank you so much for your time this morning. >>> the funeral for andrew brown joournz, the north carolina man killed in a police-involved shooting, will be held monday. as competing versions of events emerge and questions are mounting over the officer's use of force. >> a local sheriff identifying the officers involved in last week's shooting. keeping three on administrative leave and allowing four to return to duty. nbc news correspondent tim brock joins us from north carolina with the latest on this development. sam, good morning to you. what are we hearing? >> reporter:

now, rudy giuliani says that he was not briefed on that. he was not warned about that.as working with rudy giuliani, who also was subsequently sanctioned, another ukrainian named andre says he did warn rudy giuliani and said, hey, this guy is bad new he's pro-russian. giuliani, nonetheless, met with him and subsequently even after the sanctions defended the meeting, defended working with him, saying he had no reason to believe that he was a russian agent and then added in a very rudy giuliani way, how the hell would i know? so indeed, how the hell would he know? >> here we are again, andrew weissmann. i mean, rudy giuliani is sort of the axis around which another now criminal investigation turns and i pulled out that old dni report that said this. we assess president putin and other senior russian officials were aware of and probably directed russia's influence operations against the 2020 u.s. presidential election. for example, we assess that putin had purview over the activities of andre derkach, a ukrainian legislator. derkach has ties to russian officials as well as

i doesn't understand what rudy giuliani was doing in ukraine. i didn't understand the conspiracy theories that he and president trump were following and that worried me. it wasn't that i had a specific information about it. it was precisely the opposite that they were operating this out of government investigation if that's what it was with no contact to the actual government itself. and i think the effort to get rid of ambassador yovanovitch who just heard rudy giuliani call corrupt was probably the most fantastic thing that i did have direct knowledge of. she was a career professional foreign service officer. i didn't see anything that she did, didn't get any reports from anybody other than giuliani that she was doing anything improper at all so it was part of the mystery of what trump and giuliani were actually up to. >> was there a specific detail that you did learn at the time that prompted you to reach out to the chairman at that time? >> i just thought that as i explain in the book the house democrats in their impeachment effort went on a

. ♪♪ >>> first up on msnbc, new reporting targeting trump's former attorney rudy giuliani.eral investigators now scrutinizing his officials with ukraine officials. the firing of the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine now at the center of the probe. >>> giuliani on the defense of violating attorney/client privilege. >> the documents they seized easily half of them involve my representation of the president of the united states as a lawyer. and when i was a prosecutor when we used to obey the constitution, you would never do this. >>> and embattled republican congressman matt gaetz and long-time trump confident roger stone responding to a bomb shell daily beast report that if true could serve as a major breakthrough to a doj investigation. they deny any wrong doing. >>> exclusive one on one interview with president biden, touching on everything from immigration to the economy. and the latest edition to the biden family as we do say good morning, everybody, on this saturday. it is that day that proves that in synch long ago were great prognosticators it is going to be may. >> i

they could hire or pay rudy and company, including other american lawyers and rudy associates who all fit into the clown car with him, they could pay, they could hire or direct money toward, bring on as a consultant, rudy and his associates. and these ukrainian guys who wanted the u.s. ambassador ousted could also in effect pay by delivering to mr. giuliani anti-joe-biden political ammunition from ukraine to benefit the trump reelection campaign. in the case of one particular oligarch, the story told by lev parnas, one of giuliani's associates who worked with him on screen, now under indictment in the southern district of new york, in the case of this one oligarch, the deal is a little different. this was an oligarch named dmitry firtash who himself is under u.s. indictment on multiple felony charges. the u.s. justice department has for years been trying to extradite him to the u.s. in lev parnas' telling was that in exchange for helping generate anti-joe-biden information, his reward would be help with william barr and the justice department under donald trump to help keep him from b

rudy giuliani was the u.s.d he came down on that person like a ton of bricks. it's a piece of lore out of the southern district of new york. there are not many folks, search nobody who ran the office, who had been investigated in this way like rudy giuliani has been. so he knows better than almost anyone in the country what all this means for him. >> yeah. rudy giuliani, the former mayor of new york during 9/11. he was america's mayor. time magazine noted he was the man of the year. and look what has happened now. he's 76 years old. look what he's going through. preet bharara, thanks so much for joining us. >>> just ahead, almost 4,000 deaths in more than 400,000 new cases in just 24 hours. we're going live to india where the coronavirus pandemic is setting chilling, awful new records. ybody how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? i mean it... uh-oh, sorry... oh... what? i'm an emu! no, buddy! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪ step up

we've said it before, rudy gonna rudy. >> may 1st is when i started representing donald trump. they wanted nothing on me before that. so you can't say that the main entrance wasn't donald trump. just about the day that i begin representing him is the day they go invade my icloud. so try telling somebody it wasn't to get the material on donald trump. >> that might sound somewhat reasonable depending on how suspicious you are of the government. but who are "they"? he's talking about this starting back during the trump administration. "they" are trump appointees, including bill barr who had to sign off on aspects of the investigation who may have slow walked parts of it. but at the end of the day, "they," rudy, is you, trump people, trump lawyers. this is a shift for giuliani. his legal team first called the raids and the feds operating it as professional the first day that this news broke. then he went on to say the raid was, quote, out of control and even claimed it was investigators committing crimes making the high profile allegation that they're somehow framing me. he said th

they could hire or pay rudy and company, including other american lawyers, rudy associates who fit into clown car with him, they could pay, they could hire direct money toward, bring on as a consultant. rudy and his associates. and these ukrainians got the u.s. ambassador ousted, he could also, in effect, pay by delivering to mr. giuliani anti joe biden political ammunition from ukraine. to benefit the trump reelection campaign. now in the case of one particular oligarch, the story told by lev pardis. one of mr. giuliani's associates who worked with him on the scheme, now under indictment for the seventh district of new york, in the case of one particular ukrainian all the guard customer service and a lot of this recent reports this week since giuliani's home in office were raided, in the case of this when all the arctic feels a little different. this was dimitri firtash, who himself is under u.s. indictment under felony charges. they've been trying for years to extradite him to the u.s. to face trial on these multiple felonies. and they're saying that the deal offered to him was that i

let me start with rudy giuliani and what we're seeing here. we're seeing the man who used to run the southern district of new york now have second thoughts about how this works. he is going from the hunter to the hunted and he doesn't seem to realize it. let's play a little bit of how he sounds. take a look. >> they come into my apartment on this one stupid thing, and we've got proof staring right in there in the fbi that hunter biden did it on 11 occasions, he didn't file. and nobody cares. nobody's broken into his house. >> nobody cares. nobody's broken into his house. let me do a quick fact check. fact check number one, nobody broke into rudy giuliani's home. as he knows better than most being the lawyer that he is, his home was peacefully searched under a lawful warrant authorized by a judge. that's the opposite of a break-in. as to mr. biden, well, hunter biden is under an investigation and everyone will see where that goes. but number three, and this is most important tonight, rudy giuliani doesn't call the shots anymore. he's not the pr

. >>> tonight on "all in," big news on the rudy front. a bombshell letter that appears to implicate matt gaetz. >>> and a republican party in disarray takes another step to suppress the vote. >>> tonight what we're learning about the giuliani investigation and where it could be headed. >> that is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what they're looking for when it comes to rudy giuliani, donald trump. >>> then the "daily beast" reporter who broke the latest matt gaetz bombshell joins me live. >>> plus outrage over a new bill to help keep republicans in power. >>> and as there are huge virus outbreaks in india and vaccinations persist, there is discussion. >>> good evening. it's been several months since president trump left the white house for the first time and joe biden was sworn in as the new president. and still everything is about donald trump. we should have seen it coming when the republican party did not even bother to write a new party platform. instead they just stated their support of donald trump and recycled the one from