tonight, rudy guiliani seems to be muddying the waters about what meetings may have taken place before the now controversial june 2016 sit down between donald trump jr. and the russians. guiliani brought up for the first time another meeting without the president three days before the russians met at trump tower. guiliani claims reporters have been asking questions about its occurrence, and guiliani is trying to make clear it did not happen. >> there wasn't another meeting, that has been leaked, but hasn't been public yet. that was a meeting, alleged meeting three days before. he says there was a meeting with donald jr., with jared kushner, with paul manafort, with gates, and possibly two others in which they out of the presence of the president discussed the meeting with the russians. we checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, four of the six. that meeting never, ever took place. it didn't happen. it is a figment of his imagination or a lie. >> reporter: this as guiliani ramps up attacks on michael cohen, going after him personally. >> the guy is unethical, he is a s

or is michael cohen more in trouble for what rudy guiliani is talking about? >> hallie, i can't make sense of what rudy is saying. and rudy likes to freelance a bit. >> a bit? >> and it's difficult to tell times whether he's actually intending to make news or whether he's actually intending to make a disclosure or whether he just didn't phrase it the right way. i agree, if it turns out there was a premeeting before this meeting at trump tower, that is very significant. it does seem a little peculiar that rudy, if that is what happened, would disclose it in this way. >> although he seemed to be saying that cohen was lying about this meeting anyway, so he was bringing it up just to bat it back down. >> but why even go down there. what's that's puzzling about this. >> there is also this piece, broadly seen under the umbrella of president trump and his legal team, rudy guiliani, escalating now. in the last 48 hours, attacks against the special counsel and attacks against the investigation, and attacks against michael cohen. i think i've actually been on the set and

let me start with what we heard from rudy guiliani about the ground rules we have seen rudy guiliani laying down first in the "new york times" piece yesterday. he added some color to them this morning on the sunday shows. you're a former prosecutor, how reasonable are the demands we're beginning to see from rudy guiliani? >> they're absolutely unreasonable. i mean, there's just no investigation in the world, including one that involves the president, where the person who, you know, has evidence to offer, testimony to give, gets to say,

let me start with what we heard from rudy guiliani about the ground rules we have seen rudy guiliani laying down first in the "new york times" piece yesterday. he added some color to them this morning on the sunday shows. you're a former prosecutor, how reasonable are the demands we're beginning to see from rudy guiliani? >> they're absolutely unreasonable. i mean, there's just no investigation in the world, including one that involves the president, where the person who, you know, has evidence to offer, testimony to give, gets to say, show me -- show me some evidence first, and then i'll come in. and also, you know, i think we really have to take with a grain of salt everything that rudy guiliani says. as geoff said in his piece moments ago, guiliani has admitted everything he's doing right now is to sway public opinion. this isn't about getting to the truth. this isn't about getting to the bottom of this investigation of how russia, you know, influenced our election. this is about now trying to prevent the president from getting impeached. and so when he says mueller says this, mue

why would rudy guiliani opt to waive attorney/client privilege from your perspective, what might be athat? >> i feel like there's some information that we're missing in this story because it was guiliani and cohen who originally asked that the tape be designated privileged. that decision was made as jeff noted by a special master in southern district of new york in that court, and they actually were to believe what we heard from guiliani so far ruled in trump's favor, that this was privileged. so why would they go ahead and voluntarily say we didn't mean it, you can use the tape and evidence anyhow. i don't know if there was some inadvertent disclosure, perhaps if guiliani talked about the tape yesterday and was a little out over his skis, in doing that waived it unintentionally or if they see a strategic advantage in this tape that really no one else in the legal world sees so far, but there is i think a little more to the story that we haven't learned yet. >> work our way backwards. this is the latest story in a very busy week. jay newton small, so much of it from the fallout in hel

his new attorney, rudy guiliani, says the fbi now has the tape along with other recordings cohen madent. guiliani said he recorded a discussion about a payment to former playboy model karen macdougal that said she had this affair with trump. michael avenatti who claims had this to say about the tapes. >> the problem for the president is he has multiple problems relating to his relationship with cohen, but a very big problem is that michael cohen will go down as one of the world's great evidence hoarders. this is a guy never threw away an old cell phone, did not delete text messages and e-mails, kept recordings and documents. and that's a very bad thing for this president. >> kaitlin collins at the white house this afternoon. what is the white house saying. we know trump is surprised to learn this even exists. what is the white house response. >> reporter: so far the white house hasn't said anything about this, and president trump walked on the south lawn of the produces. you can hear the helicopter marine one behind me. president trump walked past reporters who shouted questions at hi

did rudy guiliani really say on sunday shows that michael cohen should cooperate with prosecutors andl the truth seriously? is that trump and guiliani definition of truth? trump, guiliani next to the word truth equals oxymoron. stay tuned. what does that tell you? >> giving the trump team a taste of their own medicine. even the stay tuned, a twist on trump's we'll see that he's fonld of. if you go back, look at where cohen has been the last few months, think about that time when michael avenatti was on anderson cooper show, holding that cardboard picture of him like a mugshot on a milk carton. probably feels like he has been a patsy or punching bag, probably wants to fight back now. has guy patrillo, now lanny davis, a democrat, someone that can go toe to toe with mayor guiliani. >> someone close to hillary and bill clinton. >> i am sure that goes over well with donald trump. one source says this is michael cohen's july 4th moment, in other words, declaration of independence from the president. >> quickly, gloria, what are you looking for at the big unveiling? >> everybody is looking

rudy guiliani on behalf of the president says, there's nothing illegal here. you can talk about whether or not you agree that the conversation should have happened in a personal way but professionally as far as the president running for the highest office, there's nothing potentially criminal about what went on. then my question is, why are we looking a in the so deeply? is this point attorneys can pressure michael cohen. this was a referral from another conversation. >> i think that you hit on an interesting point right before the trump-putin summit. you had report a michael cohen was switching attorneys and start cooperating with the prosecution. that put heat on president trump at the time. it's interesting now that things have -- we had four days of trump and putin summit. thank you very much for your time. >> another fox news alert now. could we see trump-putin round two? this time in the white house. president trump is inviting vladimir putin to washington this fall. russia says it is open to the idea. the president warning in a new interview if their re

what's interesting to me -- this is a points rudy guiliani brought up to me on friday. the fact that they had these kinds of conversation shows that kneifel cohen was allowed to do these kinds of theransactions alone. michael cohen had said in the past that he acted on his own in the stormy daniels payments. this recordling now shows that michael cohen did have the time to run these by his boss and that now-president trump did know about the ins and you outs of what was going on. even though he was in the midst of this tush lentz, very busy presidential campaign, he was very well aware of what michael cohen was doing and when. >> robert costa, you're off the phone close to the principals in this. >> my phone's dead. >> we should be able to get you a complimentary charge. >> we're in a legal war here. just got off the phone with lanny davis. he said they felt prompted to release the tape. until lanny's words he doesn't want michael cohen to be a punching back. mayor guiliani almost started debating me about whether the president knew about the macdougal deal. he said it'

what we're seeing also is rudy guiliani is basically michael cohening michael cohen.hael cohen was donald trump's lawyer but he didn't do a lot of lawyering. what he did was a lot of trying to kill stories and threaten to kill people who had stories on donald trump. classic example during the campaign ivanka trump's own words had been leaked she felt violated by donald trump and he threatened the lawyer and tried to kill the story and when he couldn't said it is not a crime to rape your wife and a different yes-man with the same sort of strategy. >> one other contrast is we know trump and cohen were having a lot of conversations. one difference with rudy is they literally seem to speak through the television. this is something i think leads people to underestimate them, this idea, rudy is making it up and is so sloppy. no, i think there's a method to it. the method is, if there's no professional or personal pride in the words you say and work you do, you can do a rough draft on live tv, and he did a few hours later calling in to another interview. it's all just conten

rudy guiliani told nbc it was already out there so there seems no point in objecting except on principal. a source tells nbc news that on the tape they discuss whether to reimburse "national enquirer." the white house denies any affair took place. this morning president trump tweeted that it is inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a client totally unheard of and perhaps illegal. the good fuse is that your favorite president did nothing wrong. reverend al sharpton hosts politics nation and sat down with cohen yesterday. here is what he has to say about the meeting. >> he said, i want you to know, rev, i am not going to be the sacrificial lamb here. i'm going to do what is right for my family and i'm go doing do what is right for my country. he seemed to feel like i was out by my himself. that the president had not stood by him. he would say things like i have been loyal. but loyalty has not been given to me. and i think the fact that he reached out to me, someone very known to be a trump critic, sent a message both to trump and to the investigators that i'm not one you can depend on the

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you saw objectivity being the key word in what rudy guiliani said. he is trying to demonstrate they are not being active. the mueller team is out to get them, donald trump is right when he says witch hunt every time. so this is something they will continue to press and say in the weeks and months to come. >> let's turn to this reporting on manafort and this unnamed banker, who had advisory roles, the company was not involved with the administration, helped them get the $16 million in loans. what is the significance for a white house that says anything that manafort is charged with happened years before he was involved with the campaign, has nothing to do with trump or any of trump's associated? >> i think it sets them back a little bit. obviously, they want to continue to say, no, this is all foreign interest. this has nothing to do with us. but, once again, here we are. there are ties to the trump campaign. so they can no longer say, you know, there is nothing to see here, this is a witch hunt. because they can, there are ties now and mueller is try

the only one that talked about the contents of it is rudy guiliani. may have waived privilege inadvertently. >> then your idea, michael, on the fact that the president has said and inferred that if there were some recordings between you and his attorney, that might be illegal. what is the case on that, if there were recordings and whether it was interaction with trump or other clients, how legal or illegal is that? >> two things. first, michael cohen recording with his clients, legal clients without their permission may be a violation of ethics rules which may jeopardize his practice, license to practice law. in new york whether or not one person recording without consent of the other violates new york statutes really is pretty fact dependent, so it may be that the recording violates new york law, it may be that it puts michael cohen's law license in jeopardy, and it may be something that's of interest to the federal prosecutors, the contents of which will fit into the examination of whether or not these payments or alleged payments violent federal el

he's lied all his life. >> back in may of 2018, rudy guiliani was defending michael cohen. saying that the fbi was heavy handed. they shouldn't gone in and taken all these documents. he's had a change of heart. i can understand why the white house would want him to have no credibility now, meaning cohen. two months ago they were defending him. >> it is kind of a comical hypocrisy there. cohen will have so much baggage. to have an attorney to defend to the death his client. who deprayed with not only recordings and leak of the recordings. he's following facing disbarment. that stacks up. >> if he was thinking -- if their idea is maybe this would make the prosecutors southern district of new york go easy on michael cohen for these other matters this taxi cab issue, doesn't this behavior to get really mad about these things? i don't see how it's helping his case. >> he is putting himself in an increasingly unattractive position to southern district of new york or the mueller team. >> what could happen, though, for don jr. who testified in front of congress couple of times. you

rudy guiliani says he doesn't think trump will pardon cohen. cohen says he can't count on that. agree with scott. the other alternative, hey, look at me now, to the special prosecutor, robert mueller. the wants some attention from him, he has a story to tell. >> paul, as you often do, you raised a profound legal question as we depart, is a pardon or computation viable if it is issued through the dms but as we're told it goes down in the dms. thank you both. >>> a lot ahead including the story we told you last week, the trump baby blimp. first, the fight brewing over the supreme court pick. a democratic senator joins me in the middle of this showdown. ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ you might be missing something.y healthy. your eyes. that's why there's ocuvite. ocuvite helps replenish nutrients your eyes can lose as you age. it has lutein, zeaxanthin and omega-3. ocuvite. be good to your eyes. (wienermobile horn) to put a better

you begin with lanny davis saying that rudy guiliani waived some weeks ago. remember, after the fbi raided michael cohen's properties, a system was set up so someone known as a special master would give the trump team and the cohen team a chance to sift through all of the evidence to determine what was privileged. before that tape was released, the trump side waived privilege, attorney-client privilege, on that tape. that's one of the ways we now -- the public has been able to hear it. so that's what lanny davis is alluded to in his statement. and, of course, he's also speaking to the fact that rudy guiliani, apparently, as is the case so often on these sunday talk shows, is saying a lot about his client. in fact, in many ways, as davis would say, waiving the privilege that guiliani would have with president trump. here again, you can see the way the president's team is really undergoing this massive character association -- character assassination, rather, aimed at michael cohen to really neutralize the sting of his latest assertion, which, of course, is tha

and this for me we've had so much evidence of rudy guiliani's poor judgment. this is more of the same. >> financial attorneys, by the way, routinely withdraw from these arrangements. is guiliani his attorney, his policy guy, his pam, his spokesman, the deputy president? he seems to kind of want it all and he's stumbled half-clownish and half thuggish making mistake after mistake. i do think here in addition to everything else, it turns out to be false he hasn't done lobbying. >> not registered. >> he's not registered. but the big thing is his defense appears to be, he's not getting paid by the president. it's 100% clear, that's a meritless dvgs as far as the ethics rules go. >> great to see you both. more ahead, stay with us. we'll be right back. shoes, & he's got wide feet. & with edge-to-edge intelligence you've got near real time inventory updates. & he'll find the same shoes in your store that he found online he'll be one happy, very forgetful wide footed customer. at&t provides edge to edge intelligence. it can do so much for your business, the list goes o

rudy guiliani denies cohen's claims and accused him of lying in an interview with chris cuomo. >> he has been lying for years. >> reporter: that is not how he clarkized cohen weeks ago on cnn's state of the union. >> i do not expect michael cohen is going to lie, i think he will tell the truth. if he does that we are home free. >> it effectively brings the issue of collusion or conspiracy right no the president's feet. >> this claim wrapping up a week that saw a stunning fallout between the president and one of his closest confidants. >> thank you so much. >> the president does not have public events, he is staying at his golf resort in med minister, new jersey. good morning to you, sarah. >> reporter: good morning, martin. that's right, president trump is spending the week at new jersey amid the stwirl of unanswered questions surrounding that now infamous meeting at trump tower and his son and a russian lawyer, leaving the twhous yesterday, president trump refused to take questions of his former attorney michael cohen that cohen had advanced knowledge. trump and his legal team denie

the president's personal attorney rudy guiliani said that payment was never made.rence jones is a radio host and conservative commentator. lawrence what do you make? >> it's interesting. i don't know any attorney goes around recording their client's conversation without their permission. it's going to be interesting. i'm interested to see how -- i saw lot of democrats on twitter talking about this and using this as a way to attack the president. i don't think american voters care about this issue. they knew what they were getting when they got donald trump. from a legal standpoint, michael is going to have problems with the president. >> when your fixer turn on your and starts recording your conversation, that's probably a problem. donald trump is probably nervous today. because it's embarrassing. there maybe no legal problem here, although they are looking into whether there were campaign contribution violations in either this payment or the payment to stormy daniels. there maybe legal issues. this is embarrassing. lawrence maybe right, i'm in columbus, ohio, vote

now the president's attorney, rudy guiliani, is calling cohenna liar, a cohen a liar. going on. how much does this reveal about how nervous donald trump is or people around him might be. >> so that seems to be the strategy from mayor guiliani and others to discredit cohen. we don't know what he said or reportedly said is true. just like cohen's credibility will be investigated, so will the credibility ultimately of the president and some of his spokespeople be challenged or called into question. mayor guiliani, you played a clip of him saying months ago he thought cohen was an honest, trustworthy individual. now shifting to cohen has been lying for days, years, you played that clip with sean hannity and trump jr. where he said no quickly and didn't emphasize the denial, but said there was nothing to tell from this meeting, focusing on that, rather than the fact of whether or not president trump or then candidate donald trump knew about the meeting. so credibility will be an issue. of course, cohen may have other information that can corroborate this, ultimately it will

we do know this was a secret tape, according to rudy guiliani. in that donald trump claims he didn't know at the time he was being recorded. michael cohen did this without donald trump's knowledge. and we also know that this was a recording that was taken in by the fbi as part of its gigantic raid of michael cohen's home and office some months ago. we also know based on dana and gloria's reporting that there are other recordings of michael cohen speaking to donald trump. that of course is very significant, again, that there are other recordings involving the president. and we also know that of the recordings that were taken, also include recordings of cohen talking to other significant people. now, back to the woman at the center of all this, karen mcdo you goal, former playboy model that alleges she had a ten month long affair with donald trump years ago. i want to play a sound bite of her interview with anderson cooper, the only sit down she's done on camera. she doesn't mention recordings, conversations between michael cohen and donald trump,

>> i know rudy guiliani and he's a fine man. a good lawyer. knew him when he was doing mob cases in new york when i was an fbi agent in chicago. i think he's having a bad week here. it appears to me there is no coordination between what the white house communication shop is doing or at least his lawyer shop is doing, i should say, the president and what this guiliani shop is doing, they have this go out and fix this thing. guiliani isn't really doing the legal work it appears to me, doing the pr work. i thought in the last couple of days he wasn't at his best. >> he said, just since he's been representing the president, he said some things not necessarily consistent as well. the last couple of days, you're right, not at his best. >> there's a japanese proverb that says only lawyers and painters can make white into black. think about it. history he's been on both sides of this issue. michael cohen a terrible -- great guy, and now an awful and terrible guy. i think you will see more of that as the pressure of this case mounts. the one that got m

. >> rudy guiliani, he said the investigation should end, and why should they end it now? they continue to turn over evidence and see where this leads? >> anderson, that has been going on for a year now. the fact of the matter is even with this today there's nothing that ties in or connects or says the campaign did anything wrong. at a certain point here, i mean, where is this fishing expedition end? >> we don't want to get any more russians? why wouldn't you be concerned about the investigation going on? as you say, it has not indicated anybody in the trump campaign, but it has netted -- it has named, you know, more than a dozen russians so far. isn't that a good thing and shouldn't that continue so we get to the bottom of what happened in the attack on this country? how else will we get to the bottom of the attack on our country? >> here's, anderson, where i will have to agree more with rudy guiliani and disagree with where you are trying to go, and some on the political left want this to keep going until they hopefully find something that may be gets at president trump

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. >>> rudy guiliani says he doesn't know if collusion with russia would be a crime despite the muellerning, sir, nice to have you on. i hear you're like the energizer bunny today, up since 3:00 this morning. >> i flew out, did an interview and no woe is me, i'm fine. >> now, i was going to give it to wolf and now all you. >> i have been having trouble saying words, i haven't been drinking but with words coming slowly. >> we have been talking about rudy guiliani moving the goalpost in this investigation and went from there wasn't a meeting to collusion -- >> i know rudy guiliani and he's a fine man. a good lawyer. i knew him when he was doing mob cases in new york when i was an fbi agent in chicago. i think he's having a bad week here. it appears to me there is no coordination between what the white house communication shop is doing or at least his lawyer shop is doing, i should say, the president and what this guiliani shop is doing, they have this go out and fix this thing. guiliani isn't really doing the legal work it appears to me, doing the pr work. i thought in the last couple of

. >> the president's attorney rudy guiliani says that the president is incident. it's time for mule tore ends this pursuit and say so. the logic here, because there were no americans and the president, himself, was not mpgsed in his latest diernlths america must not be involved. what's your take? >> well, it is mind biologying to me. here we have specific evidence, how, where and why an attack on the american people. on the core of our democracy and the republican party is saying something which is not true. which shows there was no cluchlgs where acollusion. where are the statements of condemnation on that attack. rudy guiliani and my republican colleagues are completely uninterested in the nature of the attack perpetrated on our democracy. all they are interested in is defending the president. as a technical matter the indictments yesterday are silent on the question of whether there was collusion. >> that does not mean mueller is not pursuing leads, evidence, other things he quite likely is following up on the question of collusion and obstruction, clooeter of

one of his lawyers, rudy guiliani says, it won't. has he explained that? >> well, one thing we know for sure is that the president lied to us. the story broke in 2016 the "wall street journal" broke the story trump knew about the negotiated deal between karen mcdougall and ami, the parent company for national enquirer. when asked about that deal, donald trump denied any knowledge of this tape of donald trump talking to michael cohen about purchasing or trying to acquire that non-disclosure agreement entered into between ami and karen mcdougall, clearly, clearly reveals the president knew that karen mcdougall was telling her story or potentially telling her story about an affair she says she had with the president. so nothing else, it proves that trump and his administration have not been honest with the american people. >> that's one factor. the other big question is does the tape reveal in the payments made to miss mcdougall, did the payment violate campaign finance laws? >> that's a big question. of course, rudy guiliani says the tape exonerates the pres

you know that rudy guiliani in his capacity as the president's attorney said this would ex-kbet the presidentoint out that "the washington post" today said you really hear michael cohen's voice and not much from the president. time will tell. what else do we have. social media reaction to today's program. put it on the screen. maybe trump struck that line because it had grammatical errors just like he was saying no to answering more questions. hey, bosscat, so much has been said about helsinki and appropriately so. the president on tuesday tried to get a mulligan by speaking to the media and launched the whole semantic would versus wouldn't. seven words he would not say are i think a trial lawyer's dream and great fodder for mueller if he ever questions the president. the president refused to say that he onwants to see brought justice anybody involved in the russian meddling, and he needs to explain why. why didn't he say it. he cross the out the entense because he's afraid of an indictment against himself. i guess ellen what you're saying is he didn't want to say he wants them brought to jus

purpose and pushing back and criticizing and essentially to undermine the president's attorney, rudy guiliani. the reason this is happening now because last week guiliani said that michael cohen wanted to make this payment to america media incorporated for the mcdougal story in cash. but trump insisted on using a check to make the payment. guiliani said trump wanted everything to be above board. to go the way you expect things to go, typically, when these kind of payments are made. almost immediately people in cohen's catch started pushing back saying, no, no, no, that's not what the tape says, now we have the tape. based on my listening to it, it seems to line one cohen's version of events rather than guiliani's version of events, though guiliani disputes that. essentially, we have a battle between michael cohen's lawyers and the president's lawyers. very significant. >> looming over all of this is robert mueller and his investigation. how could something like this play into the mueller investigation. does it say anything or signal anything about michael cohen's willingness to work with the

we had rudy guiliani on abc may 6th talking about mr.aying the man is an honest, honorable lawyer. this past week on cnn he said i expected something like this from cohen, he has been lying all week or has been lying for years. who has more credence, guiliani or cohen? >> look, cohen, it may be very possible that cohen has been lying, yes. we know the president has been lying. what their fear has to be is not just credibility versus credibility but what does cohen have that is evidentiary, what e-mail does he have, what contract did he execute, what meeting can he corroborate with another witness. and these are years and years of transactions. and everyone believes that mr. cohen was the dirty deed player for the president. and who knows what he has that can be corroborated. it is not just going tobac b be cohen's credibility versus the president's, it is what evidence can cohen produce or corroborate, and i think it is a very, very bad sign for the white house. >> all right. governor andrew cuomo, appreciate you taking time to talk with

. >> trump has long insisted there was no collusion but his attorney rudy guiliani is declaring thereth collusion. this stems from a meeting in 2016. >> i have been sitting here in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. it is not, collusion is not a crime. >> legal experts say technically guiliani is correct. point out, there are specific laws on the books that may campaign if the campaign is found to have collaborated with the russians. >>> president trump's former campaign chairman is going on trial today facing a series of federal fraud charges that could land him in prison the rest of his life. >> the trial is expected to focus on his lavish spending and off shore bank account. russia is looming large. >> reporter: this is the first trial out of the investigation by mueller of possible collusion between russia and trump's 2016 campaign. >> paul manafort has done an amazing job. he's here some place. where's paul? >> reporter: the trial is expected to the to make mention of collusion or russia but will give a wind into the nearly year-long investigation the white col

. >> they're saying he can use social media, rudy guiliani is making the case jeffrey is talking about to obstruct justice, why would he do it in plain view. you can look at some of these tweets and say this is kind of witness tampering. i went back and looked at the 40 plus questions that teemu ler gave to trump's attorneys months ago saying, these are some of the things we'd be interested in. one of them was, for example, what was the purpose of your may 12th, 2017 tweet? that was the tweet in which he said to comey, you better hope there are no tapes. so they're already interested in tapes. then he said, what was the purpose of your september and october statements including tweets, regarding james comey? what was the purpose of your july 17 tweet regarding mr. sessions? it's very clear that if they're going to make an obstruction argument and we don't know that they will, they have to piece together, it's tough, you guys are the lawyers, it's tough, they'd have to piece together some kind of mosaic that went to trump's intent, which is what they want to ask him about if they ever g

plus the president's attorney rudy guiliani weighs in on the new allegations against mr. trump from his long time fixer, michael cohen. also hear from republican who is not happy with the impact of those tariffs on his home state, ron johnson, a new hampshire democrat. we have new polling from our battleground tracker about america's views on president trump's trade policies and its impact on the mid term elections. plus analysis onnall." thes good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we begin todayÑi with president trump's attorney rudy guiliani who is in our new york broadcast studio this morning, mr. mayor, thank you for joining us. the president told cbs news earlier this month he still wants to speak to special council robert mueller. so, when, where, what format? >> welk youÑi know, we have been distracted on all kinds of things starting with peter and the horowitz report now michael cohen surprising all of us. >> brennan: is that is what is holding up your negotiations? >> keeps us away from it. specid of tied up, although quietly getting ready for the manafor

rudy guiliani and the rest of the president's team have been very effective in the absence of -- there was a big lag in the indictments and the first one was kind of hard to understand. and so the public opinion has been waning when it comes to this investigation. and so it hasn't been just the base. it is expanded and that is why you've actually seen -- and i've heard from republicans who have said that they actually think that this russia investigation is a political plus because people think, oh, it is just the media and the deep state going after this president. >> well tell that to paul manafort and michael cohen. i have to go because we're over but i enjoyed the conversation and i appreciate you joining us on a friday night. have a great weekend. >>> when we come back, rod rosenstein said he briefed the president earlier this week on the robert mueller indictment of 12 russian intelligence officers so why did president trump say this about vladimir putin? >> he's not my enemy. and hopefully some day maybe he'll be a friend. it could happen. ♪ this is a story about mail and packag

important point dana made about rudy guiliani as well. when these lawyers are speaking, they have a client. when we're listening to what rudy guiliani says, it is because he is representing donald trump, so his public statements are in donald trump's interest. when michael avenatti is speaking, he is the lawyer for stormy daniels who has these different lawsuits and is arguing against the president and trying to get out of an agreement that she made. when michael avenatti is speaking publicly, i think it is important to point out that he has a client. his calls for michael cohen to release these tapes are not in michael cohen's interest necessarily, those interests are going to be determined by michael cohen's lawyers, and michael avenatti has a client he is giving a public presentation for. >> great analysis, guys. thank you very, very much. appreciate it. >>> there's more news coming up. a tragic scene unfolding in missouri after a duck boat capsizes leaving 17 people dead. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for m

gru rudy guiliani is trying to set new limits on the special counsel. is he making an offer robert mueller is certain to refuse? >>> chance sessions. the conservative crowd yells lock her up. the attorney general acts amused and repeats the mantra of trump supporters. is this how the nation's top law enforcement should act? >>> out of fashion, ivanka trump is shutting her clothing company. are sagging sales and ethics problems the real reason she's calling it quits? we want to welcome viewers in the united states and around the world. i am wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we're following breaking news on all the zigging and zagging and distracting by the president a week after his disastrous summit with vladimir putin. tonight, mr. trump is putting a brazing new spin on attacks on the news media and critics, telling supporters what they're seeing and hearing is not what's really happening, and he is making a dubious and misleading claim about russian interference saying moscow is looking to help democrats win the midterm election. this

rudy guiliani and the rest of the president's team have been very effective in the absence of -- there was a big lag in the indictments and the first one was kind of hard to understand. and so the public opinion has been waning when it comes to this investigation. and so it hasn't been just the base. it is expanded and that is why you've actually seen -- and i've heard from republicans who have said that they actually think that this russia investigation is a political plus because people think, oh, it is just the media and the deep state going after this president. >> well tell that to paul manafort and michael cohen. i have to go because we're over but i enjoyed the conversation and i appreciate you joining us on a friday night. have a great weekend. >>> when we come back, rod rosenstein said he briefed the president earlier this week on the robert mueller indictment of 12 russian intelligence officers so why did president trump say this about vladimir putin? >> he's not my enemy. and hopefully some day maybe he'll be a friend. it could happen. (♪) i'm a four-year-old ring bearer wit

like "wow, everything coming up melania." ( laughter ) and, honestly, honestly, i agree with rudy guiliani here. and not with his decision to surgically replace his teeth with horse teeth, no. ( laughter ) i agree-- i agree that none of the stuff on this tape is impeachable. it's embarrassing and scandalous, but it's not criminal. but all legal questions aside, there's one part of the tape that does come through crystal clear: >> donald trump apparently completely unaware he's being taped asking for refreshments. ( laughter ) >> trevor: now, that's shocking. i never thought i'd hear donald trump say the word "please." and to be honest, i feel a little bit bad for coke, because this is not the product placement they were hoping for. right? ( applause ) but, you know, what i thought of. if people are going to secretly record trump and then play his tapes to the world, he may as well benefit because trump is always looking for new ways to make money. he should just start slipping endorsement into all of his private conversations. and you know what? it would work a lot better than you think. (

of the investigation, it may help give information directly to the president's defense team as rudy guiliani has already suggested, but the point is the investigation, they're trying to use this to discredit the investigation, to poison the jury pool, the american people, against whatever the investigation comes up with. the point of the investigation is although the president is calling it a witch hunt and republicans are doing everything to discredit it, no one is defending it, because all we know about the investigation is there have been no leaks from it which is proper. they haven't been saying we're doing a good job because, or the court filings, there have been 20 indictments, mostly of people close to the president or his campaign. we know there have been five guilty pleas by people close to the president or his campaign and various court filings and that's all we know and all we should know. but the president through his tweets and republicans through trying to throw mud against mr. page who is really a minor actor in this are trying to discredit, detract from what we know about the

. >> tara, i want to address what rudy guiliani said on "meet the press" earlier today. let's watch that, and then we'll talk. >> we would not recommend an interview for the president, unless they can satisfy us that there is some basis for this investigation. it's our firm belief, and we think nothing contradicts this, that the president did nothing wrong. and all the leaking that's gone on, there has been no leak of any fact that says the president conspired with anybody in russian. >> so all the leaking going on -- the majority of leaking going on is coming from the white house or the president's lawyer, at that point. and then you talk about the don junior meeting at trump tower. you talk about pop lthe obstruc of justice, in which guiliani in that interview does not address. >> exactly. because guiliani, in addition to being the pr attack dog, which is his primary role, is also working with the legal team behind the scenes to stall. because he also said in addition to the fact that he's put this ultimatum down, he says he does not anticipate or expect the special co

so this, of course, comes as trump's current lawyer, rudy guiliani, is confirming to nbc news that the formally waived attorney client privilege over that tape we were referencing earlier. danny, you say this could be a, quote, all-trial strategy by trump's legal team. could the president be making his case for the public, not necessarily for the courts? walk us through your thinking here. >> okay. if trump's team already views these tapes as going over old ground, maybe they're using an old trial strategy, which is, get out the damaging information about yourself, put it out there on direct. put it out there in your own case in chief so that later on, you don't get lambasted with it on cross-examination or by the defense when they put up their case. but whatever the decision is, we can reasonably assume that rudy guiliani and trump's defense team balanced out the risk and reward here. and they concluded that whatever risk of releasing this information, the fact -- which evidences that trump had extra marital affairs and may or may not have paid people off. they must view that as not a

rudy guiliani was on "face the nation" i believe earlier today talking about this and fox news. let's take a listen to that. >> cohen said that he was present at two different meetings. present at a meeting with donald jr., jared, a group of other people, in which they talked about the meeting two days later with the russians. then he says he was president of the meeting the day of the meeting in the president's office, in which either donald jr., jared or a few people came in and told the president. every other participant in both those meetings say it is not true. there was no such meeting in advance. there was no such interruption. if he taped everything else, why the heck didn't he tape this? not on tape. >> so, danielle, there is a point to be made here in that if he were taping a conversation with don trump jr. about the payment that was made to karen mcdougal, which we all heard this week, why would he have not taped a conversation in which donald trump -- excuse me, donald trump and karen mcdougal, about the payoff to karen mcdowell involving donald trump our president,

my guest this morning, president trump's lawyer, rudy guiliani. danielle letca of the american enterprise institute. nbc news, senior political editor, mark murray, and susan page, washington bureau chief of "usa today." welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >>> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. boy, do we have a lot to get to. the troubled nuclear talks with north korea, president trump's upcoming summit meetings, both with nato and vladimir putin, a one-on-one from there. i have my interview with mr. guiliani and a lot of russia developments. and the biggest of all of president trump's announcement in the next week, of course, is his pick for the supreme court, which we will find out tomorrow evening. but we're going to begin with a story that the entire world is watching right now. and that is the rescue attempts to get those 12 boys and a soccer coach out of caves in thailand. let me go to bill neely right now in chang rai, thailand

yesterday nbc news caught up with rudy guiliani and trump's legal team waived the right to attorney clientvilege in light of the fact that tape's existence has been made public in the "new york times." help us understand why that would have happened. >> first of all, i'm skeptical that's accurate. >> i don't. >> i don't see any good reason to do it. even if you think the tape may be exculpatory, they don't know the evidence now. they don't know how it may fit in. it makes absolutely no sense. and i think rudy guiliani has proved that he's not that well-versed on the law, and he also has repeatedly made misrepresentations. but if that is the case, i still think it's a terrible decision, because just the fact that donald trump was discussing the ami payment to karen mcdougal is very damning evidence against donald trump. he knew that there were payments made to hush people that he allegedly had an affair with. that is a further step than what we knew before about his involvement in a potential conspiracy to commit campaign finance fraud by paying off these people, which is an in-kind contrib

as for white house reaction, nothing from this building but rudy guiliani called cohen a pathologicalr. >> there is no way you're going to bring down the united states on the testimony uncorroborated of a proven liar. >> reporter: president trump's lawyer rudy guiliani slammed michael cohen saying he lacks credibility. >> he has nothing to give. so all of a sudden at the 11th hour, i don't think anybody believes that. >> he will testify before robert mueller that the president knew about the 2016 trump tower meeting involve donald trump jr., son-in-law jared kushner, and then campaign chairman paul manafort along with a russian lawyer. cohen reportedly did not say that trump had advanced knowledge of the meeting in private testimonies last year to two congressional committees investigating russian interference in the 2016 election. >> i didn't know anything about -- >> mr. trump has denied any knowledge of that trump tower meeting. when asked about the meeting last july, the president told reporters, i only heard about two or three days ago. >> it was such a nothing. there was nothing

question has the right to do soch i think what trump is doing now, especially since the employment of rudy guiliani to the legal team, he is going on the offensive. i think he is playing a game of public penalties mobilization, plant my flag. so i.c.e. on one side, on this question, he is planting another flag him this is the deep state out to get me, the leader of the faith the champion of the people there to reassert america first abroad and put while male americans right in charge and they're out to get me. they never wanted me in the first place, i'm going to rally the people around the flag to defend my presidency as in the rights of the ordinary people. that's what he will do. i doubt anybody can accept that. >> it is a binary argue. it speaks to a divide mesh. we have to see how this plays out. we'll stay in touch with you. now to the u.s. secretary of state, mike pompeo, due to tokyo soon to brief japanese and south korean officials on his third trip to pyongyang. he met with officials, is there more clarity? also the issue of returning the remains of u.s. troops killed in the korean war, o

. >> i need to ask you about today's "time's" story, which suggests via rudy guiliani there is a posture which says if mueller wants to interview him, he first has to make a showing there has been criminal conduct on the part of the president. that keep of a demand of an investigate i'd say would be unprecedented. react to that story, if you would. >> well, it's a smart tactic i think by the trump team to put this into a legal challenge context. nobody who is a suspect or a target, he's not a target or a subject of any kind in a criminal case should sit down, prosecutors don't want to meet with to you have you commit perjury. any criminal defense lawyer walled say don't sit down with a prosecutor, byou have to strikea deal. both sides are playing hardball. >> hasn't the goal post been moved? >> yes. yes, i think he has. he has made it 45rer for the sit downs to take place. i think we can expect there will probably be a legal confrontation. trump will win some aspects of it. >> the final question. >> sure. >> important final question. let's circle back now. will the person who is announce