mark: i know you did like rumsfeld, but is there anyone who has ever served, that you set that is theind of person and, judgment, policy positions i like? >> the forecastle around in world war ii did a good job. mark: how about treasury? >> bob rubin would be the last person. he was one of the architects of the deregulation of wall street that is what wall street is about. not lloyd bentsen either. not a verya very nice man, but not my secretary. i think we will get people who represent the working families. mark: we flew in together, and i took a picture of you loading your own back in the gate check. >> waiting for you to help me. [applause] live on bbg television and streaming on your phone, tablet, and at bloomberg.com, now on apple tv and amazon fire tv. -- [laughter] mark: do you have time to do all that stuff and run for president? >> i tried to live a normal life. i tried to get home whenever i can, to see my kids and my grand children and my wife. it is a pretty crazy world, but i try to make it normal. mark: you could make some campaign money and say go figure my dry cleanin

is 76 rumsfeld asked mr. marshall who put together some thoughts that document has ben declassified says the assessments that still remained fairly high but classified but he basically judged the of balance to be adequate in the sense that the question of what is the forces of strategic policies are they adequate to launch the all-out nuclear attack on the interstates? there were some disturbing trends but i don't think even into the middle '80s a viewer changes might about the adequacy. i don't think that was exaggerated the matter what the others thought at that point in time. >> the other questions relate to to how the soviets were incurring in the military a competition. this is a hit in the story of fundamental issues of how you viewed our chances to prevail in the "twilight" struggle and the genesis was the soviets were spending 6% of gdp on defense then you have a situation where marshall all at the time. . . the hope that anybody could have predicted the downfall the soviet union the timing was beyond

i knew you would not like rumsfeld.there anyone who has ever served, that you set that is the kind of person, values and judgment? senator sanders: the folks around in world war ii did a good job. mark: how about treasury? senator sanders: bob rubin would be the last person. he was one of the architects of the deregulation of wall street. that is what wall street is about. not lloyd bentsen either. a very nice man, but not my secretary of the treasury. these guys come from the moneyed interests. i think we will get people who represent the working families. mark: we flew in together, and i took a picture of you loading your own bag in the gate check. senator sanders: i was waiting for you to help me. mark: you are doing the normal stuff people do. do you have time to do that and run for president? senator sanders: i tried to live a normal life. try to get home. it is a crazy world running for president, but i do try. mark: you could take some campaign money and say to a young person, pick up my dry cleaning. senator san

he came to look at the afghan training efforts secretary rumsfeld asked that we trained the iraqi army. i ade had great experience in that area training the afghan initial army february february 2000 to early in the afghan war. sova was used to dealing with tribes and vetting but it is hard and i had an adaptation to broke down into a biting that became very successful very quickly but we had no infiltration because i did it to the tribal chieftains and said you are complaining about not having jobs and also with the success stories. but mr. wolfowitz came to our area and looked at the training that we called the james bond island it was a resort island that i owned as part of my area it was remote with one access point so it was perfect for training. he came out and was impressed with our work. >> and early on monday said read hundreds of thousands of troops but he was right to them later then the argument was how much do we send? rumsfeld wanted to go clean i did not agree with that in afghanistan and certainly not in iraq because early on you have to establish not only a military do

donald rumsfeld went to baghdad and asked how we could help in terms of the fighting. saddam was then touted as a socialist secular bulwark against the spread of islamic fundamentalism. >> absolutely. >> what did you think in those days? >> my first trip was in 1976 or 1977 when saddam was there but had not quite -- it was consolidating power. and as much and as much as i was suspicious of islamic militants, i really did not like saddam because every writer was under pressure or in jail. any dissident, any artist. i mean, even people who had galleries were terrified of omaha brought. it would come in contact with a wanted. it was a nightmare from the beginning. and each time i went back command i went about 20 times because i have the misfortune of covering the iran-iraq war while was in egypt. it just got worse and worse. and then functions went on. people, children begin to starve. it was an absolute mess. one of the first series -- another series of articles i worked on with the inimitable bill broad was a great science reporter for the new york times is co-author o

rumsfeld without the bio, and i said, here's the secretary. it didn't work out so well. so, i actually have the bio here. it's really important. like introducing secretary rumsfeld, just walking through congressman mccaul's bio is important. because what he's done and the expertise he brings to this issue and homeland security is very admirable. he is the -- serving in his sixth term as a representative in the tenth district in the u.s. congress. in 2013, he began the beginning of the 113 congress, he became the chairman of the homeland security committee, which has oversight of the department of homeland security and all the core missions of protecting the american people from terrorist attacks. he is also the chairman of the u.s./mexico interparliamentary group. this is a group that discusses issues and events involves the two nations. he serves on the committee of foreign affairs, working to assure national security is strong. he recently discussed a whole range of issues including the key issue of countering violent extremism. he has a --

. >> in the early '80s, i believe, donald rumsfeld went to baghdad and asked how we could help in terms of the fighting against iran and saddam was then touted as a socialist secular bulwark against the spread of islamic fundamentalism. >> absolutely. >> women were going to universities in baghdad. >> right. >> what did you think in those days about that relationship. >> my first trip to iraq was in 1977 when saddam was there. he was consolidating power. and as much as i was suspicious of islamic militants i really didn't like saddam because every writer was under pressure or in jail. any dissident any artist, even people with galleries were tear spied of the momarat they would come in and take what they wanted. is it was a nightmare from the beginning. each time i went back and i went 20 times to iraq because i had fortune of covering iran-iraq war when i was in egypt, it got worse and worse. sanctions went on. children began to starve. it was an absolute mess. i, was one of the first series, another series of articles i worked on with the inimitable bill broad who was a great science

rumsfeld without the bio, and i said, here's the secretary. so, i actually have the bio here. it's really important. like introducing secretary rumsfeld, just walking through congressman mccall's bio is important. because what he's done and the expertise he brings to this issue and homeland security is very admirable. he is the -- serving in his sixth time as a representative in the tenth district in the u.s. congress. in 2013 he began the beginning of the 113 congress he became the chairman of the homeland security committee, which has oversight of the department of homeland security and all the core missions of protecting the american people from terrorist attacks. he is also the chairman of the u.s./mexico interparliament tear group. this is a group that discusses issues involving the two nations. he serves on the committee of foreign affairs working to assure national security is strong. he recently discussed a whole range of issues including the key issue of countering violent extremism. he has a -- he was also the cofounder and cochair o

we took some of the best and the brightest people inside of the pentagon come and rumsfeld from timee a meeting and thank these people for the work that they were doing to solve some of the technology problems. we need to do more of that. we need to be less paranoid and use more common sense what comes to solving these big problems because bureaucrats, god bless them, you can trip over one another and not get the job done. secondly, when it comes to people like isis, it's either going to pay me now or pay me a heck of a lot played. i've been saying for months that we should have the coalition of people that will go to begin to destroy the organization called isis, okay? i think we need to do it. [applause] so people say people say well you know the polls are not good for putting boots on the ground, okay? winter leaders have to be doing this? because you know when leaders to do this, they don't have any followers. i mean, this is something that has to be dealt with. let's just do it okay? we can rally to support other public. we need good intelligence. we need human intelligence. we

we took some of the best and the brightest inside the pentagon and rumsfeld from time to time would convene a meeting and thank these people for the work they were doing to solve some of the technology problems. we need to do more of that. we need to be less paranoid and use more common sense when it comes to solving these big problems. bureaucrats, god bless them, they can trip over one another and not get the job done. when it comes to people like isis, it is either pay me now or pay me a heck of a lot later. i have been saying for months that we should have a coalition of people that will go there and begin to destroy that organization called isis. ok? i think we need to do it. [applause] so people say well, the polls are good for putting boots on the ground. ok? when do leaders have to be doing this? when leaders do this, they don't have any followers. this is something that has to be dealt with. let's do it. we can rally the support of the public for this. we need good intelligence. we need human intelligence, we have degraded our intelligence. and snowden ought to be locked up for a t

one time i was introducing rumsfeld and i actually forgot the bio. i just said well, here is the secretary. that did not work out so well. i actually have the bio here. lake introducing secretary rumsfeld, walking through representative mccaul bio is important, because what he has done on these issues is very admirable. he is serving in his sixth term as a preventative of the 10th district of the u.s. congress. in 2013 he became the hundred and 13th congress in. he became chairman of the homeland security committee, which has oversight of the department of homeland security. and all the core missions that protect the american people from terrorist attacks. he is also the chairman of the us-mexico inter-parliamentarian group that meets every year. it discusses issues and events involving the two nations. working to ensure national security. he recently discussed a whole range of issues, including the key issue of countering bio extremism. he was also the cofounder and cochair of the congressional high-tech conference. and he cochaired the commission o

senator dole he made suits for senator dole, and also secretary rumsfeld don rumsfeld, and many others. but i want to beyond all his accolades and star power and mr. hollywood and entertainment here, i want to share with you a little bit about what it was for me to get to be a part of this. and it was the most humbling thing. as was graciously stated i've done many, many books, but getting to be a part of martin's story was one of the most challenging and humbling things i've ever experienced. to have to endure the emotions and the feelings that went into what he endured. just to quickly introduce his background, he grew up in the car faith january mountains in czechoslovakia in an idyllic beautiful winter village wonderland type of home, upper middle class family. his father was an engineer. and then history came crashing in, and his family was rounded up, they were taken and sent to auschwitz. the second day was the last time he ever saw his father and/or any of his other family members. and from that point forward as a 15-year-old boy, he had to survive a hell unlike any of us can e

it's to get a day plan on an aircraft carrier or an interview with donald rumsfeld were secretary gatesr something like that. it's to have a seat at the press conference. i'm not getting a seat at the press conference. i'm not getting invited in the to the bathroom to see the technical plans and be treated like half a body. so that is the failure of reporting i think. >> being that they took the fall for this and put guilty and are doing time for this i'm curious what happened to the funds the money they receive from the contract after the fact? >> the united states government received 70 million rounds of ak-47 from china. they accepted and issued it all then when the story rand refused to pay for it so he just got out of prison and is suing for like 20 million bucks. you can't take something, use it and then say it works and then say poor me. it's kind of a good way of sampling the insanity of all of this but in terms of what happened to the dudes as i say come he just got out of prison. the others didn't get prison time in the end. one of them as david packouz has gone on and i noted

we first met downstairs at the nixon library at an event where secretary of state rumsfeld was the guest of honor. i was was downstairs and i have to remember, i married the daughter of a marine core kernel. my brother-in-law is a retired marine corps colonel. you would think i would've figured out i was talking to a marine for about 20 minutes when he was active duty at the time he has since retired. i didn't and it was a little tense. so i finally said, wait a minute, they had been laying on the ocean comments and i kinda figured it out. i set are you a marine? and he said yeah. are you active duty? because if he was, given his age, that meant there would be a couple stars on his shoulder and he said yeah. and yeah. and i said are you a general? and he said yes i am is very right facing as military leaders are. i said i'm sorry i was rambling on and talking to him and my father-in-law, if he were alive would be so deeply ashamed of me. military spouses serve a long alongside their soldiers. filomena would you stand up and let everyone say hello? i would like to thank the library for ha

we took some of the best and the brightest people inside of the pentagon, and rumsfeld from time to time would convene a meeting and think these people are the work that they are doing to solve some of the technology problems. we need to do more of that. we need to be less paranoid and use more common sense when it comes to solving these big problems, because bureaucrats, god bless them, they can trip over one another and not get the job done. secondly, when it comes to people like isis, you are either going to pay me now or you are going to pay me a heck of a lot later. i have been saying for months that we should have a coalition of people that will go there and begin to destroy that organization called isis. we need to do it. [applause] so people say well, you know, the polls are not good for putting boots on the ground. when do leaders have to be doing this? when leaders do this, they don't have any followers. this is something that has to be dealt with. let's just do it. ok? we can rally the support of the public for this. we need good intelligence. we need human intelligence. we de

donald rumsfeld kicked over a chair in his anger and rage.it does show you we got a problem waging war with lawyers. >> -- >> any hesitation will cause you will cause to do is a high-value target. think about the time lost, lives lost because of the lawyer of the report is true. we are not going to win these types of wars until we get out of the way and clearly started as early as september and october 2001. stuart: shocking. always a pleasure to have you on the program. up next new york city socialist mayor bill but lazio blames wall street for the tanking economy. if the federated government responsibility to bail them out. [dad]i wear a dozen different hats doing small gigs,side gigs...gig gigs. quickbooks self-employed helps me get ready for tax time. to separate expenses,i just swipe. it's one hat i don't mind wearing. [passenger] i work for me. and so does quickbooks. it estimates my taxes,so i know how much stays in my pocket. and that's how i own it. [announcer]stay in the flow with quickbooks self-employed. start your free,thirty-day

like a picture of like rumsfeld and saddam hussein, when you're like "i'm a politician, i should be happyke "why were you so happy in that photo with saddam hussein?" >> why do you love hitler? >> seth: right, why do you love him? this is something -- this book has been in the works forever. you started interviewing comedians when you were 15 years old. >> that's true. >> seth: you worked for your school's radio station? >> we had a radio station, "the signal" in syosset on long island. thank you. it barely got out of parking lot. my friend used to go interview people like r.e.m. and i thought maybe i can get comedians to talk to me for our radio station. so, i would call up their publicist and say "i'm with wkwz radio", and i wouldn't say it's a high school radio station, i just pretended it was a real radio station, and i interviewed steve allen and jerry seinfeld and leno all in like 1984. >> seth: this is some really exciting photographs. this is you, a very young you, and jerry seinfeld. look at that. >> and look at how -- this is how hard he works. [ applause ] that's his shelves. t

. >> remember i told you the story that i lost secretary rumsfeld's bio, so i couldn't introduce him? i just lost all their bios. maybe it's a pattern, i don't know. but fortunately, i know all these guys and they are pretty awesome. this is really -- this is a terrific panel, because what you have here is just a mix of expertise and knowledge, which is really kind of unusual to bring together, so, ken has -- minor, right? >> and, so, you have this minor job in the white house, right? when you were in the white house, working in the homeland security council staff as the adviser, so, you have -- you see this from the perspective, somebody advising and working at the department every day and somebody that really worked at this on the inside at the highest level. general meese was not just the attorney general of the united states, but for many, many years, one of our most distinguished scholars here at the heritage foundation and i told him beforehand that he works harder now than he's retired than when he did when he was on active duty here. among the things general meese has done, in

rumsfeld from time to time with convene a meeting and take these people for the work they were doingsolve the technology problems. we need to do more of that the less paranoid and use more common sense when it comes to solving problems because bureaucrats can trip over one another and not get the job done. when it comes to people like isis it is either pay me now or pay me a heck of a lot later. i have been saying we should have a coalition of people that we will go they're and begin to destroy that organization. i think we need to do it. [applause] people say well the polls are good for putting boots on the ground. when do leaders have to do this? when they do this they don't have any followers. this is something that has to be dealt with. we can rallywe can rally the support of the public. we need good intelligence, human intelligence. snowdon not to be locked up for a thousand years. even in my state i get intelligence briefings. i give credit to rand paul for saying we should have a balance. we have to have the security but we don't want the government looking and everything i do

rumsfeld held on for three and a half years before he increased the size of the army.raq and afghanistan serving 15 straight months in combat. soldiers going back four five six, seven times. and what happens when you overuse an army that's too small for the mission? we see things like suicides. we see substance abuse, ptsd. when you overuse an organization in war, soldiers and their families suffer. and i'm afraid we're about to do it again, leland. >> is there aside from just not doing the cuts is there anything that you're seeing being done in the army to make up for it if you will? are we getting smarter? are we getting better? are the soldiers we have better equipped? or is this just an across the board cut that's going to be detrimental? >> the army is a manpower intensive force. lyndon once said quality has a quantity all of its own. you can make soldiers better you can make better equipment. but at the end of the day when the enemy is essentially a ground force and he's facing down america, you have to put, to use the term boots on the ground and when you don't

the problem, gen a you have what donald rumsfeld referred to although he was panned by the speech. known and unknown. we don't know about lone wolf. that's what has the government so worried. >> the response was incredible i believe they are responding and ready to g. look at all of the aemgss responding to one report of one potential shooter with no real evidence. how dow see the it was orchesterated. >> if there was one positive to be generated from this this kind of became a training exercise. and although there are always going to be i hiccups. it was on the response. remember, outside of new york la and washington d.c. there is a couple of police. local police department and sheriff. in washington d.c. you have police enitties within police. secret service we have uniformed and the agent side. the fact that it fls seamlessly coordinated and the response was immediate and overwhelming force in a situation like this. we thought it was an active shooter. it warms my heart a bit that we have ironed out the hiccups from the prior incidents in the dc area. >> that gives us comfort a

[applause] >> do you remember i told you the story that i lost secretary renfield -- rumsfeld's bio? i just lost all their bios, but fortunately i know all these guys. this is a terrific panel because what you have here is just a net of expertise and knowledge which is really kind of unusual to bring together. so you had this minor job in the white house? >> working on the homeland security council staff as an advisor. somebody that really worked at this on the inside at the highest level. general meese was not just the attorney general of the united states but for many years, one of our most distinguished scholars. among the things he has done in addition to dealing with these issues is he recently served on a very important commission that reviewed the counterterrorism functions of the fbi. here is somebody with years and years of knowledge and experience who has had the opportunity to do an in-depth investigation. our third panelist is a test with homeland security. all the federal agencies state local, and international partners. you have three amazing perspectives. and i will as

we took some of the best and brightest people inside the pentagon, and rumsfeld would from time to time, come being these people to thank them for the work they are doing to solve technology problems. we need to do more of that. we need to be less paranoid and use more common sense when it comes to solving these big problems. bureaucrats, god bless them, they can trip over one another and not get the job done. secondly, when it comes to people like isis -- it is either you are going to pay me now or you are going to pay me a heck of a lot more later. i have been saying that we need to go there and destroy that organization called isis. i think we need to do it. [applause] governor kasich: people say well, the polls are not good for putting boots on the ground. when do leaders have to do this -- when leaders do this, they do not have any followers. this is something that has to be done with. let's just do it. we can rally the support of the public for this. we need good intelligence. we need human intelligence. we degraded our intelligence. snowden ought to be locked up for a thousand ye

secretary rumsfeld had asked joy we trained the iraqi army. and training the afghan national army in february of 2002, very early on in the afghan war. and so i was used to dealing with tribes, dealing with vetting when it is hard to that people and all those things so i had an adaptation of a national plan put down in a microcosm for our area of operations ended became successful quickly. we never had infiltration, and you complain we don't have jobs, what ultimately end ed up happening is the were clamoring to look for success stories for this iraqi training effort as part of national policy. we were it. one of the early success sto on that so paul2 early on you have to establish not only military dominance but moral dominance. the most humane thing you can do in war is get it done and you can't do that tying your hands behind your back and playing nice over time thinking that is somehow going to get a solution. we needed troops early on to gain control. i was not only the military commander in charge of the city of tikrit but i was everythi

prestige, things to do is to get a dateline on an aircraft carrier or to get an interview with donald rumsfeld or secretary gates or something like that. the prestige thing is to have a seat at a press conference. i am not getting a seat at the press conference. i am not inviting joy the back room to seek technical plans and treated like half a buddy. that is a failure of reporting. >> being they took the fall for this, after effect. >> the united states government we get the numbers wrong but 70 million rounds of ak-47 from china, that specific piece. they accepted it all he shoots it all it was used in war and they refuse to pay for it. efraim diveroli got out of prison is suing last i heard. $20 million. you can't take something, use it and then say it works, i don't know how else it will turn out but it is a good way of sampling the insanity of all this, but in terms of what happens to the dudes, efraim diveroli got out of prison. i didn't get prison time in this end. david packhouse has gone on from be guitar pedals machine basically you play the guitar and drums at the same time with sol

it that the admin and we first met downstairs at an event here where former secretary of defense rumsfeld was a guest of honor and i was downstairs and you have to remember i married the daughter of a marine corps colonel three my brother-in-law is retired marine corps colonel so you would think i would have figured out i was talking to a marine or about 20 minutes downstairs when he was active duty at the time and he has since retired and i didn't because i was a little dense and i finally said, wait a minute are you a marine because they had been laying on the ocean side comments and i got married at camp pendleton so i said are you marine and he said, yeah. are you active duty because if he was given his age that meant there would be a couple of stars on his shoulder and he said yeah. i said are you a general and he said yes as very self-effacing as general legals are and isa general, i'm sorry i have been rambling on and on thinking to myself my father-in-law were he alive would be so deeply ashamed of me. i have grown to know and love and respect the service that both of them have gi

bush and donald rumsfeld and john bolton negotiated with the north koreans in 2005 for denuclearization with no provisions at all was five pages long. the treaty of mosque ow between bush and putin was three pages long. had no verification provisions and got 71 votes in the senate, all right. this is over 100 pages long. it is like no other nonproliferation agreement ever negotiated and signed. it pails only in compare an to the most detailed arms agreements with the soviet union and russia. and jim said we've done our homework. if we have done something -- doesn't quite capture it we are open to understanding what that is and the constructive criticism but i think we're going to be giving a full-throated defense of what we believe is a very effective verification provision which makes sure not that iran won't try to cheat and we are not assuming they are going to comply, we are assuming they will try to cheat and we will catch them and that is what will keep them from trying to cheat. >> and richard savoy there in the middle. >> richard sofoy with the national trade council and a membe

. >> remember i told you the story that i lost secretary rumsfeld's bio, so i couldn't introduce him? i just lost all their bios. maybe it's a pattern, i don't know. but fortunately, i know all these guys and they are pretty awesome. this is really -- this is a terrific panel, because what you have here is just a mix of expertise and knowledge, which is really kind of unusual to bring together so, ken has -- minor, right? >> and, so you have this minor job in the white house, right? when you were in the white house, working in the homeland security council staff as the adviser, so, you have -- you see this from the perspective somebody advising and working at the department every day and somebody that really worked at this on the inside at the highest level. general meese was not just the attorney general of the united states, but for many many years, one of our most distinguished scholars here at the heritage foundation and i told him beforehand that he works harder now than he's retired than when he did when he was on active duty here. among the things general meese has done, in add

they will say we find no evidence of military activity and i will remind everybody one of donald rumsfeld'sof evidence is not evidence of absence. stuart: that is very good. we appreciate you being with us and shedding light on this. we one to know the details of these agreements. >> edison being a language. stuart: thank you very much check the dow jones industrial average. we are in the red for the calendar year, not by much. 17,800. look at the price of oil, $49 a barrel, slipping to 48 a few minutes ago. an important indicator for the future price of gas. that is my opinion. the current price of gas is national average of $2.74 i think it comes down from there. most expenses in america the regular gas in california, $3.85. how about that? we are keeping a close eye. a $15 per hour minimum wage is spreading, at a special panel in new york state recommending that the state go to a $15 minimum wage per hour for fast-food workers. i want to know more about this because this is new york state. ashley: phase in intermediate years in new york city and 16 years and was to the state but we need

john rumsfeld. >> thank you very much dewayne. this week has just been a phenomenal week. monday we released the first image from the epic imaging camera on the discovery mission committed deep space blue marble. this is our first true blue marble of the earth since 1972 when the apollo 17 astronaut to the famous and manage of the earth and it pains an incredible picture of his home planet and how lucky and precious planet earth is especially when you compare it to the amazing views we have recently gotten from the spacecraft, which is a somewhat series hostile world. .. a scientific theory that science never sleeps. and if you look at the panel here they actually look pretty cheery for a corporate scientists that have corvette scientists that have not been sleeping for the last few weeks. but they are here to tell us about the most recent amazing results from the pluto new risings mission and i am pleased to hear those results. >> so we have before i introduced the panelists for this afternoon at nasa council with this mission and the resulting images follow the accounts