as secretary defense rumsfeld appointed a commander jeffrey miller whose job it was to extract information and geoffrey miller made up a cd or staffed it and it flew to iraq and under the. with the permission of the commander there general sanchez the then comprende training sessions for the interrogators and the stuff at abu ghraib prison where he transmitted the guantanamo and techniques to the abu ghraib stuff basically the restraints were removed and they were told to get results the thing that became so clear is that what the united states was doing was not a secret it was hidden in plain sight it wasn't really until the photographs from abu ghraib were released which were just you know the tip of the iceberg of what was actually happening that people in this country began actually talking about it. but we didn't know where it was exactly the right thing to do and if i had it to my command all over again and i think he said then i'd see course of action. that we did exactly the right. service in the most. not all of them i can look into whether one does 1600 of them we've only seen up

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this among other people i fall president obama essentially he gave everybody dick cheney donald rumsfeld he gave them all a free pass. to push w. bush they're all going to be rehabilitated they're all going to be treated as great statesmen one day i mean they gave president obama a nobel prize for not being george w. bush. the question of course the world cup betting around. you know boarding is doesn't work as torture works doesn't work people that have information that are part of an underground up or run a terrorist organization a revolution urbanisation a con the certain ization whatever organized form of collective i want to ip they won't. know. and the people that you pick up that are innocence yes you'll. turn them to pieces you'll store them you'll ruin them. i think that a few of the people that passed passed through my hands and interrogator didn't have intelligence but most of the vast majority of the people that i dealt with were just being picked up because they were males of military age and they were just get swept up and in these raids i don't i don't think torture is alw

this among other people i fault president obama essentially he gave everybody dick cheney donald rumsfeld he gave them all a free pass. to it's w. bush they're all going to be rehabilitated they're all going to be treated as great statesmen one day i mean they gave president obama a nobel prize for not being george w. bush. the question of course the world cup dancing around. you know are avoiding is does it work as torture work doesn't work people that have information that are part of an underground up or run a terrorist organization a revolution urbanisation a commerce organization whatever organized form of collective elements it might be they won't. know. and the people that you pick up that are innocence yes you'll. turn them to pieces you store them you'll ruin them. i think that a few of the people that passed through my hands and interrogated did have intelligence but the vast majority of the people that i dealt with were just being picked up because they were males of military age and they were just get swept up and in these raids i don't think torture is always being used as a

and deemed to be consistent with it you know absolutely and it's us secretary of defense donald rumsfeld was convinced that mohammed he recruited 3 of the 911 hijackers. he personally authorized a 90 day special projects status from hama to with her endless consequence and 7 the order to abuse prisoners was only going to build up to that almost water they need justification and so what they did was they sent a colonel. to guantanamo to look and try to justify what was going on. and he said quote tunnel base is america's battle land. and the moment i heard that it evoked memories of nuremberg it evoked memories of what the nazis were doing experiments. to see if they started with the sleep deprivation regime. and then a massive guide disease. it was very dog except close to all bloods. and then he said. and then he stopped playing these music and did the bodies on the floor all day long. you know. i cannot explain to you once someone is put doing. the floor and. 2 women and a guy. and force them onto. a no war has a moral imperative. america after $911.00 was in shock. and i think we had

secretary of defense donald rumsfeld was convinced that mohammed he recruited 3 of the $911.00 hijackers he personally authorized a 90 day special project status from hamas with her endless consequence and 7 the order to abuse prisoners was only going to build up to that almost all order they need justification and so what they did was they sent a colonel. to guantanamo to look and try to justify what was going on. and he said quote tunnel bay is america's battle land. and the moment i heard that it evoked memories of norman kirk can evoke memories of what the nazis were doing experiments. to see if they started with the sleep deprivation regime. and then a massive guy disease. it was very dog except close to blights. and then he started playing these music the bodies in the floor all day long. you know. i cannot explain to one someone is but doing. the floor and. 2 women. and force them on to. me know that war has a moral imperative. america after $911.00 was in shock. and i think we had been deeply frightened and i think that fear how was it exploited certainly in the years after that

this among other people i fault president obama essentially he gave everybody dick cheney donald rumsfeld he gave them all a free pass. to it's w. bush they're all going to be rehabilitated they're all going to be treated as great statesman one day i mean they gave president obama a nobel prize for not being george w. bush. the question of course the world that benson around. you know boarding is doesn't work as torture work doesn't work people that have information that are a part of an underground apparatus a terrorist organization a revolution urbanisation accomplish certain ization whatever organized florent of selective elements you might be they won't. know. and the people that you pick up that are innocence yes you'll. the tear them to pieces you store them you'll ruin them. i think that a few of the people that passed passed through my hands and interrogated did have intelligence but most of the vast majority of the people that i dealt with were just being picked up because they were males of military age and they were just get swept up and in these raids i don't think torture is

butn incidentally the two people running for don rumsfeld and dick cheney. we were in the process. he said i think it's a mistake. also they are very rewarding and you have a chance to deal with major things and often you can make a difference, so you can't love the job too much that is you have to be true to yourself and i felt in my state under the circumstances i wouldn't be being true to myself. >> did you have a good relationship or what kind of relationship did you have? >> i had a very good relationship with him. one of the first things i did as the secretary of labor there were no blacks at all except that were skilled. art fletcher who was working for me in this area we decided we should break this up so we devised something that became called the philadelphia plan and told them you've got to have some hiring let's have a timetable and get going so we are trying to manage this process. it was very controversial and i'm called to testify in the senate and someone says you are trying to impose a system. i said i'm trying to get rid of one. the quota is zero and it's been eff

secretary defense rumsfeld appointed a commander jeffrey miller whose job it was to extract information and geoffrey miller made up a cd or staffed it. and in flew to iraq and under the. with the permission of the commander there general sanchez the then camp and training sessions for the interrogators and the stuff at abu ghraib prison or he transmitted the guantanamo and techniques to the abu ghraib stuff basically the restraints were removed and they were told to get results the thing that became so clear is that what the united states was doing was not a secret it was hidden in plain sight it wasn't really until the photographs from abu ghraib were released which were just you know the tip of the iceberg of what was actually happening that people in this country began actually talking about it. but we didn't know what it was exactly the right thing to do and if i had to recommend all of them i think exactly the right sequence of actions. that we didn't satisfy them.

secretary defense rumsfeld appointed a commander jeffrey miller whose job it was to extract information and geoffrey miller made up a cd or staffed it. and in flew to iraq and under the. with the permission of the commander there general sanchez the then comprende training sessions for the interrogators and the stuff at abu ghraib prison where he transmitted the guantanamo and techniques to the abu ghraib stuff basically the restraints were removed and they were told to get results the thing that became so clear is that what the united states was doing was not a secret it was hidden in plain sight it wasn't really until the photographs from abu ghraib were released which were just you know the tip of the iceberg of what was actually happening that people in this country began actually talking about it. but we didn't know what it was exactly the right thing to do and if i had to recommend all of the i think exactly the right signals that. we didn't satisfy them.

i remember the president asking donald rumsfeld, what do we do if he gets a lucky shot and brings down a pilot? we were in a state of suspended hostilities with iraq, not in a state of peace with iraq. in 1998, president clinton had actually launched cruise missiles against iraq and the inspectors who are supposed to be keeping his weapons of mass distraction programs under control left the country. so he was different for his having dragged the region into war several times, the fact he was continuing, we believe, to build weapons of mass destruction and according to the intelligence agencies, had reconstituted his chemical weapons, his biological weapons, and was on his way to reconstituting his nuclear program. he tried to assassinate president george h w bush, he was shooting at our aircraft, he put 400,000 people in mass graves. he was considered the biggest threat in the middle east. as bad as north korea was, as bad as iran was, they were not as bad as iraq where there were 16 security council resolutions that said he was a threat to international peace and security. sec. shalal

vigorous advocates of the nuclear program in the early 1970s where people like henry kissinger, donald rumsfeld, and dick cheney in the fourth administration. if you look at some of the documents, you will see how vigorously they push this. they felt it was critical for iran. why? i will be brief on this. you often hear the talking points from opponents of iran. why does iran need nuclear power? no one can take seriously the idea that they would need nuclear power. well, the u.s. actually felt that iran needed nuclear power. and the basic reason for this, i don't know too many details about this but if you are a developing country that has a lot of oil, it does not make a lot of sense for you to build very expensive refineries to then use that oil for domestic power purposes. it is kind of a waste of time and money. if you have huge amounts of oil you're better off selling on the international market, and using that money to develop a much more sustainable energy program that will last too many years after the oil has run out. that's what all the studies, u.s. government funding studies in the