susan: he brought rumsfeld to the house. he would write, no one was more influential in hate and he. how did he help him? richard: he was a child of congress. he thought like a congressman and his ideas of leadership are based on capitol hill. even his ideas of what a conservative and a liberal -- on capitol hill, persuasion entails two or three people behind closed doors, broken sentences. you don't have to be eloquent. it is an entirely different mindset. and set of job qualifications when you become an executive. rumsfeld understood that. he understood that instinctively even though he had been on capitol hill. i argue, whenever you think of rumsfeld, he was ford's teacher more than anyone else, the first few months, about the difference between congressional leadership and executive leadership. that said, rumsfeld was also to the right of ford. he thought nelson rockefeller was a wrong choice. he thought that ford should have cleaned house. bill simon, secretary of treasury, second day of ford's presidency says, you want

that said, rumsfeld was also to the right of ford.e thought nelson rockefeller was a wrong choice. he thought that ford should have cleaned house. bill simon, secretary of treasury, second day of ford's presidency says, you want to get rid of all of us. ford's response was, nobody leaves the plane without a parachute. ford being ford, he looked around and saw all of these white house people who had nothing to do with watergate. who were very capable and competent people. who should not be blamed. it raises a really interesting question that you don't hear very often about the american presidency. can a president be too nice? i think hartman, rumsfeld, dwight eisenhower, everyone thinks about the smile. and the smile was real. he also had sherman adams as his chief of staff to do the heavy lifting and be the bad guy. in effect, the role of -- that holderman performed for nixon. ford saw the best in everyone. there are people who wondered why he cap hartman on. hartman was a divisive figure, he drank. rinse saw the worst in people. hart

and then what did rumsfeld do? we can't stop until we can kill bin laden, which is, what, eight years later? so, yeah, there's so much. and the decision making about the both the iraq war and the afghan war that i am extremely critical of. but i'm again, reminded what john kennedy said is he's 100% right. you're in the arena making the decision. it's a lot harder than sitting on -- running the new school up in new york city. peter, we took bob's point. we lost our way. we really never understood why. we went into afghanistan either. iraq was a different, but we never had a real plan. and we stayed and stayed. and i remember asking questions of foreign relations committee of senior administration officials. is this nation building? oh, no, it's not nation. what is it? we'll be out of there in five, six months. give us more men, more money, and we'll be home by christmas. year after year was that same answer. and we just eventually went off the cliff and didn't realize any more. why worry there when we got in so deep

and cheney brought in rumsfeld and who was an enemy of his style, actually tried to mess with him all the and so i think then he listened to them. if he had had more confidence and had people, you know, own circle of people because cheney and rumsfeld, you know, superimposed a lot ideas they'd had for decades on w and, you know, just that whole presidency on make me sad. but one time w was visiting in kennebunkport for some family and i'm in the hotel and the phone rings and it's rove and he goes okay, i've been delegated this secret, don't say anything but, you know, bush senior wants to see you. so here are the two presidents, the father son were secret service agents in this little compound in maine. and bush senior wanted to sneak somewhere to have a cup of coffee without his knowing. it was something so crazy right out of a movie. and so i was for it. but the father could never figure out how to elude all the various secret service detail. so we didn't do it then. and you sort of an interesting relationship with obama to obama. so um, when obama started campaigning i was so excit

yes, i a couple of nonprofit boards, one of which is the rumsfeld foundation. i'm very proud of. i mean, what does it do? it is that it has two main purposes. it does fellowship tips for central asian fellows. so these are mid-level public private sector people from central asian countries who come over here for six, eight weeks, have tremendous experiences. and then the other half of it is us fellows who are graduate postgraduate students studying national security. and we give them money to help fund their educations. fabulous. and and then i do a little bit of consulting tends to be very project specific crisis management focus which i like. it's a beginning. there's an end i can stop and i have gone back to school just insane. i was a terrible student when i was a child. you don't get better at that. you don't come back 40 years later and go, oh, i'm a good student. it's very hard. but i am getting a master's in social work at catholic university, which is a ton of fun, because i would i'm hopeful my next chapter is going to be combining two things i care deeply about. one is

and when secretary rumsfeld was making his first trip into kabul early december 2001, he tried to call the pentagon press pool, and one of his categories was, women reporters who had children. and of course, they just revolted and everybody flew into kabul with them. but that mindset lasted until june 2000. right. thank you. one of the signature cultural elements of a war is the end of the war. when the veterans come home and i know we've talked about this a little bit today, jim, when you and i were chatting on the phone, you mentioned you've spoken to a lot of vets, tried to go back to vietnam and try to understand that that experience. can you share? it's a great story. there are now several companies you google the most. some of them run veterans who offer tours to vietnam for veterans specifically and, they go they'll make them as easy, as difficult as you want. but but this started quite early after. the end of the war that people, soldiers wanted to go back and and see vietnam, not see vietnam, but see where they fought. and the hanoi quite sort of suspicious about this sort of

the some policy makers like paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, suggested to president bush that he turned his attention to iraq. but i show in my book that initially president bush rejected those reject those notions. it was just days after 911 where this happened. and i believe president bush did tell them, listen, if you're going to talk to me about an iraq al qaida nexus relationship, whatever, you've got to find some evidence for it. wolfowitz then directed feith douglas feith to set up an office which was called the office of special plans inside the pentagon, not the kindest sounding name, kind of an nefarious sounding name. office of special plans to look for this evidence. and so there were people early on trying to find something on saddam. and i think that's why some people today, even at the time, thought the war was decided pretty early here. no. yes. i mean, there are many people who focus on the creation of the office of special plans, and that did happen inside the office of the secretary of defense. but the most important thing for you and for

so find somebody who says, president bush, donald rumsfeld, dick cheney were guilty of the crimes for which people were, i don't know, remember, and said what you have is celebration of george bush, the great criminal who is a to do rec, enough scanners to destroy the celebration of him as a lovely person to school, the goofy graham placement and his grandchildren paints pictures just a delightful person. well, that's the radical it's for, it's quite striking that anyone who dares to compare your rank or was the russian is ation of ukraine is viciously denounced. harvard university even had a debate in which the debate was whether the rank or can be considered a humanitarian intervention. a debate, suppose is moscow university. the debate whether the russian invasion can be called a humanitarian intervention. can you imagine the reaction in the west, the what's the reaction to the where stood up and it, or the close look at the open as an american society. they're even willing to question whether this military intervention was a humanitarian intervention. well, that's manufacturer of

there's young -- cheney, a young don rumsfeld and brant scowcroft, for which there's not a photo of him ever being young. and a number of people who served in the ford administration, like paul o'neill, who would go on to serve as secretary of treasury for for president bush 43, who would back time after time to be interviewed for oral histories, the reagan oral history, the bush one, oral history, and now this bush 43 oral history. we have conducted an extensive oral set of oral history interviews for every president since ford and russell riley has been there for, almost all of them russell riley is the co-director of our oral history, along with barbara perry. russell has logged. and it says here and it's it's hard to believe, russell, that you've done 1500 hours of confidential interviews. senior administration officials, white house staff, cabinet officers and leaders. barbara perry co-director, who is the jerry belial? black hills professor here at the miller center and the director of presidential studies co-leads the oral history program. over her time, she has conducted more th

current republican minority charlie how ike and beating him beating him with the help of donald rumsfeld congressman from illinois and bob dole. congressman from kansas. dole delivered the four votes that provided the margin of victory and. as i say, 11 years later, ford repaid the debt with compound interest when he put forward on the ticket in 1976. and ford really came to national prominence then with and jerry showed what was his relationship with everett dirksen? yeah, everett dirksen was a showman and as a young boy, he'd met william jennings bryan and they never got over it. i mean, he was william jennings bryan reincarnated, you know, he'd get up and give these great full throated speeches extolling the virtues of the barrick gold, you know, as the national flower. and bob but bob or carnival, who was a friend of ford's and excellent congressman from upstate new, said in an interview, i found that, you know, that dirksen would have walked over his grandmother for two federal judges and and lbj took his measure, seduced him, you know, long before ford appeared on the scene. the di

even donald rumsfeld said we need to wage peace. you can't just fight a disease. you have to cultivate health. you can't just prepare for war. you have to prepare for war where the war won't be anymore. john f. kennedy said if we don't get rid of war, war will get rid of us. >> thank you for joining us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you so much. thank you for having me. ♪ >> c-span's campaign 2020 full coverage is your front row seat to the presidential election. watch our coverage of the candidates on the campaign trail with announcements, meet and greets, speeches, and events to make up your own mind. campaign 2024 on the c-span network, he's been now, our free mobile video app, or anytime online at c-span.org. c-span, her unfiltered view of all the tics. --

air fleets themselves, dear helicopters -- the helicopters and i regret, going back to secretary rumsfeld, we haven't published as much data on readiness. i am not expecting numbers, as much as your defense of airframe capability. how are we doing in terms our readiness of the suites --f leets? gen. mcconville: they are very ready. the pilots are trained and the free --3 aircraft, -- i see them every single day and supporting troops and i think they do a great job of keeping the aircraft and the other thing is, the safety record, at least in the u.s. army aviation is at a historical high. given the type of message -- missions. melanie: two last notes. the first is there is a book out and it is an important read for all of us interested in national security and the industry of war. check that out and the other thing, i encourage you to take a look at the brookings institution defense page and they are hosting an event on monday. it is an important topic so take a look at both of those things and please join me in thinking general mcconville. thank you for joining us today to share the stat

even donald rumsfeld said we need to wage peace you can't just fight a diseased you have to cultivate health you can't just prepare for war you have to prepare for that which there will ultimately be no more war. john kennedy said if we don't get rid of war, the war will get rid of us. >> host: thank you for joining us this morning on the washington journal for talking to the viewers. we appreciate your time. >> thank you so much and thank you all for having me. >> former secretary of state hillary clinton speaks at an event focused on women's leadership during global challenges. hosted by vital voices live coverage of the conference begins 2 p.m. eastern on c-span2. you can also watch on the video mobile app c-span now or online on c-span.org.

i keep thinking about donald rumsfeld quote about unknown unknowns.re are likely regimes where by actors can use these tools. we are going to enter an area where nobody trusts anything. where everybody denies evidence presented in court and says that is made up 18 is not. we will have checkboxes that encourage people to commit suicide. we also have a potential for a lot of cybercrime. these new tools can be used to manipulate people on the scale we have not seen before. long-term, we do not know if machines get out of control and do things we do not want them to do. we are not prepared for any of this. >> arthur current examples of ai doing any of these things? >> new start released a study showing 40 or 50 different websites generating news automatically. generating news that turned out to be flawed. we have seen at least one case of a suicide vest seems to be associated with the chat bot. it gave bad advice and did not refer somebody to a professional. >> there is not a great track record when it comes to the government regulating effectively techno

don rumsfeld actually the lowest close of the dow jones industrial average between 1962 and the present. well, my hunch is, is somehow the markets with their great powers of perception figured out that something like the reagan revolution was in the offing and. i'm serious. he called the very historic bottom of the dow in watching louis that day after the markets closed down. he is mad at the american economy and one 5 minutes later, he drew his curve on when we had. that's a amazing. okay, judy, before we turn it over to the audience, i wanted to ask you a question of you talked about state tax rates and we have nine states, as you know, in the united that have no income tax at all. i see my good friend, lisa nelson. alec is here. we were the kind pied piper is to try to get more states, eliminate their income tax with alec does that matter. do you find these effects? it certainly appears to be. if you look at these latest migration numbers where people are going and where they're coming, you know, they're going to florida. they live in california. and i just saw a statistic that in th

. >> yeah, there are a lot of known and knowns to paraphrase donald rumsfeld. the thing we know tonight, which is fairly explosive and a big deal, even if you've been following this and be jaded about, there is an indictment coming, and you heard that from fani willis's team on that tape. that is what we know at this juncture. barb mcquade, thank you for your time. >> thanks, alex. >> there is so very much to talk about this evening, including the mystery at the witness of morrow legault, whose reported corporation caused donald trump to lash out today. plus, that steady drip of new reporting about the supreme court justice clarence thomas and is conservative activists wife ginni. that is racing all kinds of questions about the web of dark money that surrounds them, and that is coming up next. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ there is a better way to manage diabetes. the dexcom g7 continuous glucose monitoring system voltaren. the joy of movement. eliminates painful finger sticks, helps lower a1c, and it's covered by medicare. before using the dexcom g7

know, great great differences between the agencies, the principals break bread, solve problem on rumsfeld. they kept tradition continued. last question. who wants to have a go with the ambassadors here. look at that. well, we've blown style. yeah, sounds great. please join in thanking this distinguished group of investors as we remember, george shultz. >> c-span's american history tv continues. you can find the full schedule on your program guide or c-span.org/history. >> welcome to this vir

>> i mean, it's actually a long list and i keep thinking of donald rumsfeld quote about unknown unknowns. we don't really know the scope of it. but just to start with, we know that democracy is threatened because we're likely to enter a regime where bad actors can use these tools to make essentially infinite amounts of misinformation at zero cost. that is incredibly plausible. and so, we're going to enter an era where nobody trusts anything . that is not good. we're going to enter an era where everybody denies any evidence presented them in court and says, well, that's just made up even when it isn't. we're going to have chat bots that encourage people perhaps to commit suicide or do other terrible things, giving bad medical advicemedical and psychiatric advice. we also have the potential for a lot of cybercrime. so these new tools can be used to manipulate people to do so again at a scale we haven't seen before. and in the long term, we don't really know what would happen if machines got out of control and did things we don't want them to do. we are not really prepared for any of this.

that's what rumsfeld, we don't know, nobody tried it in 2016. we know that the other path, the one that cruz tried, the one that marco tried of avoiding trump up until the very last second when it's too late, we know that doesn't work. >> yeah, so michael, how important are these first few weeks after you announce? so he announces next week. how does desantis avoid those traps? >> he can't. he can't. can we stop pretending like this is actually going to be a race until it's a real race? i mean, donald trump controls this landscape, period, end of it. i mean, and unless -- >> even if you control the landscape, does that mean you win? >> who beats him? who beats him? when donald trump got subpoenaed -- >> can he beat himself? maybe he beats himself? >> what did ron desantis do when donald trump got subpoenaed? nothing. he kept quiet. so for all this i'm not running, i am running, i'm in or out, at some point you got to show you're ready to take this guy on. you got to show you're prepared to defeat him, not just, well, i'm not donald trump and i'm

even donald rumsfeld said we need to wage peace. you can't just fight a disease. you have to cultivate health. you can't just prepare for war. you have to prepare for war where the war won't be anymore. john f. kennedy said if we don't get rid of war, war will get rid of us. >> thank you for joining us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you so much. thank you for having me. ♪ >> c-span's campaign 2020 full coverage is your front row seat to the presidential election. watch our coverage of the candidates on the campaign trail with announcements, meet and greets, speeches, and events to make up your own mind. campaign 2024 on the c-span network, he's been now, our free mobile video app, or anytime online at c-span.org. c-span, her unfiltered view of all the tics. -- your unfiltered view of politics. >> the senate budget committee looked at a house republican approved proposal to raise the debt limit to federal spending cuts. moody's analytics chief economist and others testified. watch that tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, c-span now are free mobile video app

september 10, 2001, donald rumsfeld announced the pentagon misplaced $2.3 trillion.ight turn on the american people? why doesn't that flashlight turn on our government? this is our money. where is that tracking accountability? host: thank you for that, todd. this is from the wall street journal. the headline, emigrants share of labor his high. foreign-born workers share the u.s. labor force -- share of the u.s. labor force roast last year to the highest level in 27 years. wall street journal reports people born outside the u.s. made 18.1% of the overall labor force, up from 17.4% the prior year. the highest level in data back to 1996. the labor department said in its annual report on foreign-born workers the number of immigrants, those working or actively looking for jobs rose by 1.8 million, 46.3% to 29.8 million in 2022. it is open forum and we go to patricia calling from connecticut, democrats line. go ahead. sorry about that. jerry and fort smith, arkansas, you are next on the democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. please don't cut me off. the men