interests to drive russia closer to china in asia. just military, the two countries have their combined military power much more efficient than one by one. i would say russia has been very careful. it has been strong for a very long time. now this antagonism we have in the russia and u.s. relations makes russia think that everything the u.s. has been doing in the indo pacific is against russia which is driving russia even more toward china. in these twolt blocks which i do not think would be beneficial for the u.s. or for russia. again, i'm not sure anything is possible unless the relations normalized. logic, iting to this would be better to have more normal working level dialogues. pullingthink that is russia from china or china from russia. russia and china are not anti-russian or anti-china actions like balancing. however, some might be more calibrated so there might be some reforms that will not be supporting china either that some be supporting order.tric since russia is one of the powers, it could be something that might also con

interests to drive russia closer to china in asia. just military, the two countries combined military power much more efficient than one by one. i would say russia has been very careful. it has been strong for a very long time. antagonism we have in the russia and u.s. relations think thata everything the u.s. has been doing -- >> we're going to break away from the csis event briefly to go live to the house of representatives. we expect this to be a short session. we will come back to this when it is done. the speerroempo: the hou will be in ode the chairlaysore thuse a coucaon from the speaker. the er: e spear's ros, washington, c. may4, 2019. i herebypin the honorable james p. mcgovern t actas speaker pro temre on is day. signed, nancy losispeer of the house of presentatives. the speakepr tre: the prayer will be offered by o chaplain, fther croy. aain cooy: let us pry. gracious god, we give yo thks for givings anothe day. heembers of is peoe' house havleft for the memoal darece. they eet the wth their

and basically russia -- whatever china does with the states. russia -- well, what china is doing -- there are no real resources to put up here in this region. and -- what actions [indiscernible] russia is trying to do what it can. this should be part of the picture. russia is interested in how to save russia and euro economic relations. and the economic partnership it has with many countries in the european union. could -- the neal arms treaty? as i understand, russia has chinased the topic with the-- how have we not seen -- until the chinese part? talks with china -- step with chinese partners. on.crisis is going russia is going forward to. [indiscernible] i do not see that. russia would criticize china in not joining the treaty although russia would like to update new arms control and regime -- as far as i am concerts. our military experts also to be part of the foreman. so i guess this is the picture that we have now and russia , russiave -- well thinks that it would be better for everyone if we negotiates but ate arms control this stage ther

like russia, china is working to fill half nuclear precision strike systems. while china's overall arsenal is much smaller in russia's, that does not make this trend any less concerning. based on the united states experience with developing nuclear weapons, the efforts required for china's substantive and rapid expansion of their nuclear weapon program and capabilities. u.s. government information indicates that china is preparing to operate its test site year-round, a development that speaks directly to china's growing goals as a nuclear force. china continues to use explosive containment chambers at its new clear test site. china leaders previously joined brescia in watering down the language of the statement that would have affirmed the uniform understanding of zero yield testing. the combination of these facts and china's lack of transparency on new good testing activities raise questions as to whether china could achieve such progress without activities inconsistent with the nuclear test ban treaty. it is important to note that in addition to monetizing it

browse money from iran and then uses that borrow money to make war on russia and china so they're saying wait a minute why don't we just cut that. dollar gimmick and just say let's go to hard money best hard money ever invented big going and as representative sherman has said in open testimony it is the vulnerability of the u.s. empire that's now public knowledge if any country doesn't act on this now it's because you want to be a frickin slave to the dollar so tell your people your slaves tell them is beyond country because i i think we're beyond nation states i don't think i think that was like you know in our 45. 2000 year modern human history like that that was just a 300 year period and i think the individual you don't need the permission of whatever your government has who cares like what government where you don't need to wait for your government to do something you can just take action yourself that's exactly right that's what's happening the nation state itself is disintegrating then that individuals are clear their own sovereignty hat and us permission laws nobod

as i've always said long before the witch hunt started getting along with russia, china and everyone is a good thing, not a bad thing. we discussed trade, venezuela,

and china deployed space weapons? russiall kamikaze satellites intended to ram civilian and u.s. satellites. china has one with a grappling arm that can lift satellites out of orbit if china decides to cripple us that way. no country in the world is more advanced in this technology than the u.s., but also more dependent upon it and they know it. you have cyber, outer space, this competition under the waves. china and russia deploying more advanced submarines that are harder for us to attack. they can show up on america's coastline with nuclear missiles, the possibility of an attack without warning. this is something that the u.s. watched but wasn't quite connecting the dots on until recently. one of the troubles is this is the way submarine commanders talk about it. it's the way aircraft carrier commanders are talking about it. the way folks in the nsa are talking about it and not the way the president is talking about it, particularly when it comes to russia >> the fact that now people say they have eyes wide open about wha

stands defeated in syria and the nations that helped defeat britain russia china turkey and iran and now all in the news russia stands accused of killing a british subject on sturgis in a chemical attack even though a source inside the u.k. police just admitted that some of the details don't add up as for china the u.s. and google are arguably trying to take down while away turkey is being threatened with u.s. sanctions in iran joining me now from princeton new jersey is ambassador said her samer savia who negotiated the jays e.p.o. a nuke. the deal violated by president of trump ambassador welcome back to going underground well i have to begin with what you thought of the trump warning to iran not to threaten the united states on pain of annihilation of the islamic republic what are you see during president trump i have never seen such a conflict in confusing a strategy. from the u.s. side in regard to iran it is very clear from one side president trump. is not in the same page with his key advisers and key decision makers presumably rouhani yourself as an iranian nuclear negotiator

but they have failures in compliance in practical terms i believe russia and china they have been really more scenes and transparent on implementing the deal in practical steps however still we have failures from russia and china for full compliance the details and conditions of the nuclear deal however it is good no international community to ward public opinion they can really understand. and for the 1st time between iran and the u.s. and the war powers there was an awful leg remained on one of the more disputed issues iran nuclear program and it agreed iran fully complied fully believe and the us europeans specifically and in general all 5 powers they have failed to deliver their commitments therefore for international community now it is clear iran which accepted transparency measures more than every any other country is not after nuclear bomb however if president trump is going to kill the nuclear deal in order to reach an order the order in order to capital it iran or to bring regime change in iran or to to to have a broader package of the negotiation and deal with iran i do

europe does so i think iran has within its power the interest to develop closer relations with russia with china to. look elsewhere outside of this western multilateral framework for economic and financial relief could russia and china really pick up the slack to the degree that tehran is clearly hoping no i mean if we look at the economic bite of these sanctions just over the last year international estimates said that the iranian economy was already going to shrink by 6 percent over this year and i really do think that there is this deepening economic bite within iran in which it needs europe to comply by the terms of the deal in order to get out of this economic catastrophe rick know if the europeans took a pretty extraordinary step this winter they created a new payment system to try to create essentially a space for european countries to trade with iran without having to go through u.s. based payment systems in itself a pretty extraordinary step these of an hour i think u.s. but apparently it hasn't worked very well is there any chance that this could be expanded and made really substantive

you know, china and russia pursuing a very similar strategy. e know interfering in an election, stealing state secrets by china. but do they know that russia and china have deployed offensive weapons to space that could destroy or steal u.s. satellites out of orbit? this is happening today. they're floating above our heads right now. certainly in cyberspace, there's a war underway. there is land acquisition, russia invading ukraine, china manufacturing territory in the south china sea, but there's also a new battle under the waves. russia and china both deploying far more advanced, quieter submarines, which allow them to come right up to the u.s. coastline, with their nuclear weapons. it's on multiple fronts and the u.s. is only just coming around to recognizing this battle. >> all right. jim sciutto, thank you so much. everyone, check out his new book. it's called "the shadow war: inside russia's and china's secret operations to defeat america," it's out now. >>> right now, the battle over strict state abortion laws happening in the courtroom c

also mention china saying that russia and china were maintaining their commitment to the nuclear deals and to the nuclear deal and both ministers called out european leaders for really not doing the same in the time since united states has been hammering all the new. deal and since united states pulled out of the deal so both countries sort of calling out their european counterparts and saying to european leaders that we have two months that within the framework of the deal with iran's actions are legitimate you know let's come to the table and try to find out a solution and commit to your part of the bargain commit to your part of the deal and stick to the tenets of the agreement now for european powers this is going to be a tricky one since they have succumbed to u.s. pressure over the course of the last year when it comes to sanctions ok is thank you so let's remind everyone about the key details off the iran nuclear agreement which is formally known as the joint comprehensive plan of action or as zain was saying the way the landmark nuclear deal was signed in twenty fifteen by iran

dollar so this means a lot of different things unpacked this but obviously for countries like russia china and others if you want to usurp the u.s. dollar by going as we've been saying now for years put that into your strategic reserve as much as you possibly can and you would diminish the role of the dollar in international influence and as he points out it's key to the oil industry it's key to the war industry and everything flows through the new york fed and gets approval from the new york fed if you want somebody other than the new york fed approving your transactions every single transaction in the world goes to dollars goes to new york fed doesn't matter where you live you are what country you are what president of what anything you ever do it goes through the new york fed if you don't want that influence if you want independence you want to have your own sovereign say then buy as much as you possibly can for the reasons that sherman has articulated it is if you remember star wars luke skywalker to attack the death star he had to hit the missile projectile directly into the heart of

in places like ukraine and the south china sea we see this happening in real-time. to enable the geopolitical aspirations russia and china are rapidly modernizing their militaries. investments in next-generation capabilities, attempting to counter many of our long-term advantages since the end of the cold war. the was mister his maintained an unparalleled over match on the battlefield. the gap has narrowed. our big-time systems that have dominated the battlefield for decades that develops when i first joined the army in the 1980s. against the iraqi army in 1991 they were unstoppable. against the russians and chinese in 2030, our potential adversaries developed a new coat of conflict. in the past we have been able to build up combat power with impunity and launched the attack at a time and place of our choosing but today russia and china are aggressively developing capabilities and weapons systems that deny a long-held advantage. continued investment technology such as artificial intelligence, directive energy and hypersonic looks to enable the relative new systems that surpass our aging legacy capabilities. the

russia or china? ( laughter ) who would be more aggressive in the shadow war? >> they're both aggressive. generally, folks will talk about russia being the greater more dangerous short-term threat and china being the more formidable long-term threat. china, bigger economy, bigger population, more capabilities, and that's the one americans think about long-term. military commanders, intelligence officials, et cetera. but russia is nor aggressive today. russia is sort of like your drunk friend at the party, right. you know they're dangerous -- >> stephen: literally your drunk friend ( laughter ) >> you know they're dangerous when they walk in the room because china is more like the quiet one in the background but

relations with china and russia since the nixon administration. [applause] >> thank you so much for being here. i must say that i am very nervous and i don't usually get nervous. inn i called dr. kissinger the fall and ask if you would be here in april, i was near my hero. your booking nine months out last september. everybody wants to know, what is your secret? >> for what? for survival? [laughter] i chose my parents well. [laughter] starkeyt to thank hearing technology for being the sponsor of this really awesome opportunity to hear from one of the great statesman that this country has seen. , if youlike to start don't mind, with your personal story. that seems to shape so much about how we view the world. you were born in 1923, you arrived in the u.s. in 1938 at age 15. you went into the army in 1942 and served until 1946. given that experience, especially serving in the war, where you were an intelligence officer, how to that experience shape your worldview as he went into your professional career? >> what you have to understand -- i came to t

but in the kind of conflict with both china and russia. that of course then weakens-- we cannot use that relationship as the same degree but decisions for american diplomacy. we should avoid if we can being in conflict with two major powers that have access to each other. >> do you see that the united states and china given their competing interests and the rise of china, do you see coexistence being established peacefully or do you worry about the rising power and declining power usually ending up in a military conflict? >> historically. it is-- conflict because it's the essence of a rising power on the-- of the established power by virtue-- but we are in a historic position which is that technology has developed in such a manner that not only with the district the myths of weapons but with artificial intelligence that is evolving among inanimate objects, to unleash the full capabilities of either side or the other would have an impact in my opinion, equal or greater than what we saw in europe 100 years ago. so, i believe it will be a tas

europe does so i think iran has within its power the interest to develop closer relations with russia with china to. look elsewhere outside of this western multilateral framework for economic and financial relief could russia and china really pick up the slack to the degree that tehran is clearly hoping no i mean if we look at the economic bite of these sanctions just over the last year international estimates said that the iranian economy was already going to shrink by 6 percent over this year and i really do think that there is this deepening economic bite within iran in which it needs europe to comply by the terms of the deal in order to get out of this economic catastrophe rick know it the europeans took a pretty extraordinary step this winter they created a new payment system to try to create essentially a space for european countries to trade with iran without having to go through u.s. based payment systems in itself a pretty extraordinary step visa vi an outlaw i think u.s. but apparently it hasn't worked very well is there any chance that this could be expanded and made really substantiv

markets and the problem our poor russia and china is not as severe as it is for europeans because in both countries many of the companies are controlled by the state so they might be able to help iran little bit more than the europeans can but ultimately if this sanctions regime is sustained it's iran would have eventually north choice but to make drastic decisions about its nuclear program so personal homies suggests holding a referendum on staying in the nuclear deal what is the purpose of a referendum like that i mean how is it on in popular opinion or relevant to the global diplomatic game around its nuclear program i mean it's not like president rouhani or the supreme leader ever really ask people what they want to. yes just this idea but he has not answered the questions that you have asked his thinking is that there is a division within the leadership of these it is not so much that decisions in the wrong decisions in a lot of other countries are not based on democratic principles the reason why he's focusing on their birth for and he believes the only way the division of the.

decision well you mentioned russia and china we just mentioned earlier that russia has condemned the move saying it would be unlawful to sanction countries that continue to abide by the nuclear deal how much of a global dispute could this cause especially if the european countries are affected you just mentioned the european union being. effected less but they are affected by this as well. well. russia can justly say that this is against international law because there is an agreement and after all the european union russia and china are still involved in this agreement so. but the united states is creating i think they really want to go to the council's barely in other words they want the excuse to be able to buy one or two of the various facilities nuclear research facilities in iran they're looking for a fight. particularly as i think the election season is coming up and these kind of international interventions always seem to rally or unite the country in the united states so also that this is. the nuclear deal in iran that that's part of the wider issue in the middle east. that

to develop closer relations with russia with china to look elsewhere outside of this western multilateral framework for economic and financial relief could russia and china really pick up the slack to the degree that tehran is clearly hoping. no i mean if we look at the economic bite of the sanctions just over the last year -- international estimates said that the iranian economy was already going to shrink by 6% over this year and i really do think that there is this. deepening economic bite within iran in which it needs your up to comply by the terms of the deal in order to get out of this economic. catastrophe rick no work the europeans took a pretty extraordinary step this winter they created a new payment system to try to create essentially a space for european countries to trade with iran without having to go through us based payment systems in itself a pretty extraordinary step. vis a vis an ally of the u. s. - lee it hasn't worked very well is there any chance that this could be expanded and made really -- substantive in the next sixty days well that's a really good question on th

as -- and in fact deter russia and china as they continue to invest in their nuclear capabilities? is file as youn see russia modernizing and china , now is not the time to disarm. >> i couldn't agree more. that is the effort the department has underway right now to make sure we have a safe , reliable, and a credible deterrent into the future. >> and that means the nuclear triad? important element is the command and control capability as well. >> do you feel we are undertaking that modernization plan adequately to detour major adversaries like china and russia that are making big investments in their capabilities. >> our initiatives are completely informed in the review that us is what it would the use of nuclear weapons by an adversary and obviously russia and china as you highlighted are the significant adversaries we face, but not the only. >> i fully agree with that. the nuclear triad has proven effective over seven decades. this is about modernization more than it is about delivering the new capabilities are changing -- or changing our doctrine. >> so the reality is we become

transatlantic bond so the question is how can the european countries now work together with russia and china to ensure that trade with iran does continue because essentially that is the only incentive that will keep iran in this agreement now and now the european allies had taken steps in that direction but they're limited so far the question is can they expand or expedite for example their system of trying to ensure a back channels for payments that would not involve transactions flowing through the u.s. and thereby becoming susceptible either to the u.s. . sanctions or to some form of the u.s. . taking. the money that flows through the u.s. system that is very complicated and very difficult but that's where the european countries need to be going now together with china and russia yet at the same time we have the arabian president today very critical of europe accusing it of not doing enough to save this deal accusing it of not cleaning up the mess that the u.s. has created is that they fear assessment. not entirely the fact that france germany and the u.k. actually took measures in februa

russia or china? ( laughter ) who would be more aggressive in the shadow war? folks will talk about russia being the greater more dangerous short-term threat and china being the more formidable long-term threat. china, bigger economy, bigger population, more capabilities, and that's the one americans think about long-term. military commanders, intelligence officials, et cetera. but russia is nor aggressive today. russia is sort of like your drunk friend at the party, right. you know they're dangerous -- >> stephen: literally your drunk friend ( laughter ) >> you know they're dangerous when they walk in the room because china is more like the quiet one in the background but is more dangerous because they're sort of subtly evil but equally vicious. i talked to former head of entill and he says no one is more vicious than china. they will kill you and your families. seriously, it's like the mob. >> stephen: well, thanks for all the cheery raise. rays. the book is "the shadow war." jim sciutto, everybody. ( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) helioplex® powered,

pack assume to do during the meetings of the ministers of foreign affairs of the europeans troika russia china wish to place in july and september last year. while there is. a concrete obligations russia. wants to implement them. call express told european colleagues which. they would be so that they put obligations i think it was a very fruitful meeting so this is why discuss the other serious nature what is because the questions the situation is a difficult complex one and even if so it's necessary to consult each other more often and. to rely upon attentional law including the un security council resolution which approved the comprehensive action plan. just. got. good afternoon. to all friends from media once again i would like to express my condolences to all the russian. kasian of the incident. of. pain and now also congrats congratulate the night of major new life. i would like to express my gratitude to my. friend a lover of. very good relations that we have to transition iran. we have not the. kind of close relationship with russia and iran in the past. now this is our policy to have v

he was talking about russia and china. i think we can agree that there is confusion in the trump administration missile defense policy. his view was missile defense expands and enhances extended deterrence. inherent in that argument is that we will be protected. so that we can go and defeat the adversary over there. i understand that desire, it is right in the context when you have strategic stability with russia and when there is a sense of mutual vulnerability. if that'll roads, i think that is more problematic than we are giving attention to and one that we have to spend more time working on. >> john what i would argue is it kind of goes back to elaine quenching this point earlier. if you look at the missile defense review it clearly does states we will rely on nuclear deterrence to deal with russia and china. if you look at the president's statement at the pentagon on the missile defense review, he said we will develop a system that will shoot down any missile, anyplace, anytime. so we've got a bit of a disconnect. >>

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equipment in the world but if they don't buy it from us they're going to buy it from russia or they're going to buy it from china or they're going to buy it from other countries so the saudi contracts should stay the way they are safe and sound. nato member turkey one's got too carried away trading with russia or so says the american government and thought it was a good idea to buy russian missile defense systems you will regret that came the message from d.c. we've. clearly warns turkey. that its potential acquisition. of the 100 will result in a reassessment of turkey's participation in the f. $35.00 program. and risk other. potential future arms transfers to turkey as well as lead to potential sanctions that someone say fair competition you know if you want to be rich thinking about fair is really something you can ditch. there's a united nations treaty that aims to make sure the global bad guys don't get their hands on conventional weapons and hardware even if they can't afford it it's called a.t.t. barack obama signed it a few years ago donald trump though did it his way and said this in april my administra

most trustworthy of the colombian armed forces what they do with their war fighting ability. >> russia and china are expanding their presence with the influence to systematically engage with other regimes russia and cuba are increasing military intelligence activities in venezuela what type of capabilities are you concerned about? . >> i will defer for the specific technical concerns but with the influence at large we are very focused with her own productive activities of those capacities as discussed in the opening it's not the defense strategy as a global threat therefore we are consistently and continuously to build relationships with regard to their specific activity in venezuela with secretary pompeo statement that the overall influence they could have of their decision-making and that's why we as an international community call on russia and china in particular. >> nasa is improving the capital region currently with personnel in the region to support this mission so what is your timeline to expand the reach to protect the rest of the country and are you working with canada? . >> thank you

mead: some people who are close to the current president would argue that by driving russia and china together into a tighter alliance, we end up with a bigger problem for ourselves. do you think there is a realistic prospect of the u.s. being able to peel russia away from china, or is there not a lot we can do and we need to brace for that kind of confrontation? we. cheney: i don't think are driving russia and china into alliance by any means. we have to make sure we are dealing with each of those countries in a way that reflects our interests. , forld not want to see us example, say we are going to somehow lighten up on the threat china poses. we are going to stop focusing on things like what four-way could do to our 5g -- while way could do to our 5g. to treat russia in a way that they are not an adversary. andobligation responsibility is to deal with the world the way it is an to look at each of those relationships and respect what our interests are and be clear-sighted about what those adversaries want. mr. mead: what is your opinion on the president's maximum pressure campaign o

when it comes to the middle east russia and china play a active part in the middle east so part of thedialogue we are trying to eject in this is not just geographic but resources in a geographic region and that might not be the most effective way to push back against the influence of russia and china when you're building bases in africa and middle east. but specifically toward iran i know you want me to focus on that but the world we look at the comes from iran primarily is just in five years. first one is the concern that we would get a nuclear weapon. obviously, we have to prevent that from happening in fully clear it is intent not to let that happen but the second part is that maritime security which folks that aren't familiar with the region you have [inaudible] and a substantial portion of our energy trade in commercial goods. go to those traits. the iranians are constantly but he knows and we have plans to make sure that doesn't happen and we keep those trade routes open. third threat and secretary matus used to hold up his hand when he did this, five of them. is there support to

in countries like russia china churchy people are told it's that simple and if you are a journalist there and you try to get beyond it you are facing scare tactics intimidation and i wonder is that where we're headed as well. my responsibility as a journalist is to get beyond the smoke and mirrors it's not just about the fear and balance or being neutral it's about being truthful. trying to use more golf and i work in the you know. this is news africa coming up in the next fifteen minutes millions have been displays of home and uproar to do that you don't go in civil war now south sudan's government and u.n. agencies are trying to help them return home but is it too soon. also coming out of fed day of heavy rain compounds that mr reagan was on peak aid seems money to make the fast aerial beliefs so he had tales of survival on sulfation.

in addition to china and russia, north korea and iran are mentioned.which would you say is more of a threat and why? between north korea and iran? >> an easy question. the national defense strategy makes it clear. our priority if you will is the reemergence of the great powers russia and china and that's what we would call our pacing threat. that's the most capable enemy that we can face but that does not reduce the threat from rogue states north korea or even the terrorist capabilities if you think about what can be done. some of the weapons that are proliferated to terrorist organizations are something that we've got to worry about across the board. our priority based on the national defense strategy is the reemergence of the great power competition of russia and china. >> l for partners. we have about 15 battalions if i am correct. it seems that there's a fair amount of upside pressure and i'm curious, how do you think about building more capacity into that existing structure? >> i want to make sure i understand the question. are you asking if we ar