it will depend very much on what rwanda can do _ will depend very much on what rwanda can do.ere are regular boat arrivals have remained low. regular boat arrivals have remained low that _ regular boat arrivals have remained low that is — regular boat arrivals have remained low. that is probably because they do something which we are not yet able to— do something which we are not yet able to do— do something which we are not yet able to do and we do not do. they conducted — able to do and we do not do. they conducted physical interception of boats— conducted physical interception of boats at— conducted physical interception of boats at sea and they return them to their countries of departure with their countries of departure with the permission of those countries. kevin, _ the permission of those countries. kevin, the — the permission of those countries. kevin, the uk cannot do that. priti patel, when she was home secretary, there were reports of using jet skis or the royal navy to push boats back into french waters. it is or the royal navy to push boats back into french water

and rwanda scheme going ahead. that's essentially completely derailed the government's strategy . strategy. >> well, no , the government's >> well, no, the government's strategy is on track. as i said , it won in the court of appeal will remain to see what happens in the supreme court. and even if it if the decision was in favour of the government, those representing the claimants in this case would have to persuade the european court of human rights to take the case if it was to have any chance of flourishing there. so that's that.in flourishing there. so that's that. in terms of the point about public opinion, i'm not sure that's quite right. i checked the government website this morning and it's right that there is a petition they're advocating that the uk should withdraw from the european convention on human rights. it's only signed by about 20,000 people. and because it passed the 10,000 threshold, there is a government response. and that response confirms despite going on today, that it remains policy of the

and rwanda scheme going ahead. that's essentially completely derailed the government's strategy . strategy. >> well, no , the government's >> well, no, the government's strategy is on track. as i said , it won in the court of appeal will remain to see what happens in the supreme court. and even if it if the decision was in favour of the government, those representing the claimants in this case would have to persuade the european court of human rights to take the case if it was to have any chance of flourishing there. so that's that.in flourishing there. so that's that. in terms of the point about public opinion, i'm not sure that's quite right. i checked the government website this morning and it's right that there is a petition they're advocating that the uk should withdraw from the european convention on human rights. it's only signed by about 20,000 people. and because it passed the 10,000 threshold, there is a government response. and that response confirms despite going on today, that it remains policy of the

>> the rwanda? >> the rwanda? >> because rwanda won't work.selves at the moment single moment there isn't a single asylum seeker in rwanda asylum seeker either in rwanda or on the barge because because of the courts? no, partly because of the courts. incompetent? no because of this government's strasbourg. not because of the courts. in terms of the barge, because they this government couldn't organise the proverbial on the. >> but i'm talking about the rwanda. >> okay. and the point is the powers that the, the labour will give nca okay. will enable give the nca okay. will enable them to properly tackle the gangs. we've seen real action by some european countries. we've discussed this before about belgium, in belgium , a get tough belgium, in belgium, a get tough approach phones are approach means that phones are taken off the tracking back to where the gangs are. the nca doesn't do that. fact, what doesn't do that. in fact, what we in britain is we're going we do in britain is we're going to spend money to pick these boats up. if you don't do

deportation flight government's rwanda deportation fligi is government's rwanda deportation fliins fivees but is it five minutes to midnight membership midnight for the uk's membership of court? of the convention and court? well, minister has well, the prime minister has authorised braverman authorised suella braverman to threaten uk's threaten the court with the uk's departure. as we await the forthcoming rwanda forthcoming supreme court rwanda showdown month. showdown early next month. and speaking courts, who speaking of european courts, who could known would still could have known we would still suffer european suffer the woes of the european union? more than three and a half leaving it? the half years after leaving it? the european has european court of justice has had to the had the audacity to find the united kingdom million, united kingdom £32 million, even though britain though we've left it. as britain faces from faces an horrific story from south london, a young named south london, a young girl named euan south london, a young girl named elian way elian arade dam was on her w

>> the rwanda? >> the rwanda? >> because rwanda won't work.selves at the moment single moment there isn't a single asylum seeker in rwanda asylum seeker either in rwanda or on the barge because because of the courts? no, partly because of the courts. incompetent? no because of this government's strasbourg. not because of the courts. in terms of the barge, because they this government couldn't organise the proverbial on the. >> but i'm talking about the rwanda. >> okay. and the point is the powers that the, the labour will give nca okay. will enable give the nca okay. will enable them to properly tackle the gangs. we've seen real action by some european countries. we've discussed this before about belgium, in belgium , a get tough belgium, in belgium, a get tough approach phones are approach means that phones are taken off the tracking back to where the gangs are. the nca doesn't do that. fact, what doesn't do that. in fact, what we in britain is we're going we do in britain is we're going to spend money to pick these boats up. if you don't do

flight, stopped the rwanda flight, stopped the rwanda flight, stopped the uk dealing with the with the issue of illegal migration, which, you know, people think it's cruel to deal with it, not dealing with it is crueller. it's funding criminal gangs. and people are dying crossing, crossing the channel. so we need to we need to stop it. rwanda was an expensive bit, you know, workable plan to reduce it . and apparently reduce it. and apparently illegal immigration is becoming according to the tory mps they speak to here, it's becoming a bigger issue for voters . so this bigger issue for voters. so this is something that needs to be tackled. >> it's sort of part of the real rishi package that's coming out. the tough policies for the election. think, election. what do you think, josh? this isn't he's not josh? well, this isn't he's not he's it. he's not going to do it. >> it's call. it's an mp >> it's a call. it's an mp going. he should do it. but it's the european court of human rights for of us. and rights that's for all of us. and the point of that, they the whole point of that, they ba

in 2021 we signed our ground—breaking migration and economic development partnership with rwanda. this agreement one that will accept physical and legal response ability for illegal migrants, relocated from the uk. and look after all their needs while they —— claims are considered. we always knew that our partnership would be challenged in court. we remain confident that that the uk supreme court will uphold in the legality of the scheme later this year. enabling us to start putting it into operation. while our political opponents, ngos and others dismissed the partnership, as any moral gimmick when first announced, it is striking how many countries run by governments of varying political hues have now expressed in public and in private conversations support for this model. many are now pursuing variations of their own. the uk will continue to prioritise policies of deterrence and border hardening alongside the maintenance of safe and legal roots. at the same time we will look to build consensus for more fundamental reform of the asylum framework at the international level. the go

. >> e’- e about rwanda well. >> about rwanda though? >> so what about rwanda though? it sounds like his party is saying that rwanda to going what rwanda is not to going be what they're do. they're they're going to do. they're going with this interpol they're going to do. they're goingof with this interpol they're going to do. they're goingof connectiveiis interpol they're going to do. they're goingof connective borderrpol they're going to do. they're goingof connective border force type of connective border force type of connective border force type that stop the type thing that will stop the migrants. i've been reading migrants. but i've been reading a and people a lot about it and most people who involved in that who are involved in that particular element who are involved in that particularelement policy particular element of policy have that you need a rwanda have said that you need a rwanda style deterrent and even other european countries are looking at it, and rwanda is actually quite nice place be honest quite a nice place to be honest . so him outlawing it, h

elena rwanda moral and so elena rwanda is a moral and so i fully support the echr on this occasion onbert, we must leave the echr as as leave the echr as fast as possible. brexit was the people telling the world that we do not want be ruled the eu . no want to be ruled by the eu. no independent country would tolerate by a foreign tolerate meddling by a foreign court . well, talking of foreign court. well, talking of foreign courts, it's been three and a half years now since the glorious day of january 1st, 2020, when britain broke free from the yoke of the european union. i think it's 2021 inches the to be clear, the the end. and to be clear, the european union is constituted by the commission, the european commission, the european the european parliament, the european parliament, the european the european council and the european council and the european justice . well, european court of justice. well, the justice in the european court of justice in what can only seem to be a prank, handed the united what can only seem to be a prank, a handed the united what can only seem to be a pra

it is true you have no idea whether the rwanda scheme would put people off coming.ence that it would have a deterrent effect. we have the would have a deterrent effect. , have the evidence from australia, where a similar system did succeed. you can see in other things the government has done that deterrence works. the albania agreement we reached at the end of last year, that has seen a 92% reduction people coming to the uk.— coming to the uk. absolutely true. and a critical— coming to the uk. absolutely true. and a critical factor— coming to the uk. absolutely true. and a critical factor is _ coming to the uk. absolutely true. and a critical factor is that - coming to the uk. absolutely true. and a critical factor is that they - and a critical factor is that they know they are likely to be removed and returned home and are now being returned home within 48 was of arriving illegally in the uk. deterrence works. we've seen it in australia. ~ , , ., deterrence works. we've seen it in australia. ~ , australia. why did your boss right in a letter to _ australia. why did

now, i'm no rwanda can happen ortiany of to rwanda can happen on any of the kind of amount that wouldide a deterrent. if you going to deport 5% you say we're going to deport 5% of over the of people who cross over the channel that's not going to stop people people people because people are already to already risking their lives to come uk. i think what come to the uk. i think what keir is proposing is keir starmer is proposing is a system you could system whereby you could actually realistically remove everyone channel everyone who comes via channel boat european country and boat to a european country and that could be done fairly that could be done in a fairly efficient way. >> you think this >> annunziata do you think this is realistic or will actually, if this were be done, we'd if this were to be done, we'd simply the people from simply get the extra people from the and we'd be pretty the eu and we'd be pretty hopeless deporting ones hopeless at deporting the ones who boats. anyway, who came in by boats. anyway, i think a very, very flawed think it's a very, very flawed policy tha

now, i'm no rwanda can happen ortiany of to rwanda can happen on any of the kind of amount that wouldprovide a deterrent. if you going to deport 5% you say we're going to deport 5% of over the of people who cross over the channel that's not going to stop people people people because people are already to already risking their lives to come uk. i think what come to the uk. i think what keir is proposing is keir starmer is proposing is a system you could system whereby you could actually realistically remove everyone channel everyone who comes via channel boat european country and boat to a european country and that could be done fairly that could be done in a fairly efficient way. >> you think this >> annunziata do you think this is realistic or will actually, if this were be done, we'd if this were to be done, we'd simply the people from simply get the extra people from the and we'd be pretty the eu and we'd be pretty hopeless deporting ones hopeless at deporting the ones who boats. anyway, who came in by boats. anyway, i think a very, very flawed think it's a very, very flawed policy

could that country be rwanda? possibly, possibly in a very revealing court of appeal judgment in the uk a few months ago, the uk said, well, there's nothing in principle wrong with sending an asylum seeker to a third country, but in practice does rwanda deliver what is necessary and it concluded? no but ok, there's the the start of something that you can possibly work on here in rwanda, possibly in in other countries as it happens for the uk, there's a much better solution, a much easier solution to implement which would be return to france. very quick, very immediate return of people arriving to france. this requires a quid pro quo agreement with france, perhaps other eu countries probably not of people arriving to france. this requires a quid pro with the with the eu itself. um but the idea that and, and this comes back to, to, to john's concern about returns. you can't transfer individuals to countries that don't want to cooperate with that return in any number uh and this is why so few people are returned to t

we're going to stick them in rwanda. we'll stick them in rwanda.ck we're stick them over there. we're going back to you. going to stick them back to you. well excuse me if i'm missing the point massively, but why aren't on aren't anyone focussed on actually people from actually stopping people from reaching country reaching this country in the first i don't you first place? i don't know. you get touch. final word to you get in touch. final word to you at vaiews@gbnews.com i've at home. vaiews@gbnews.com i've got your way. 20 got a lot coming your way. 20 mile hour speed limits news radio. >> hello there, i'm michelle dewberry tall seven michael crick and martin daubney remain alongside me. i'm not kicked him off yet. it's his first go. he's managed to survive the first part. so let's move on, shall we? the london mayor sadiq khan, he is basically announced the biggest expansion of the 20 mile an hour zone to date . right. and an hour zone to date. right. and this my eyes and ears this pricked my eyes and ears because do not if you're sitting there

and again, we're seeing it with rwanda . my main seeing it with rwanda.enshrined whether it's in can be enshrined whether it's in our own bill of rights or enshrined in own enshrined in our own legislation, moves with legislation, which moves with common law. we don't necessarily need echr anymore . so we can need the echr anymore. so we can have reform and reform means leaving this one this time. >> all right, denis, if it's good japan, america, good enough for japan, america, canada new why should canada, new zealand, why should we be strapped into the echr ? it we be strapped into the echr? it doesn't mean we're going to turn into belarus. >> i hope not. it's not good enough for vladimir putin, which is why he's out of it. and if stephen and pretty really want britain to queue up with vladimir putin be my yeah but i've just. >> right. okay dennis dennis dennis i've literally just made the point we'd also be queuing up biden. justin up with joe biden. justin trudeau the japanese new trudeau, the japanese new zealand . so it's not as simple zealand. so i

growing up in rwanda?unity friendly. the family, the way you're living, the way you go to the school. i went to the school with the public school, which is very good. you met, you know , you met there's a met, you know, you met there's a friend there . you met you go to friend there. you met you go to you know, you do the work at home. it's like it's a bit different from here because you have to do you have to go to get some water from somewhere to do the work, from home. cleaning. yeah >> so, you know, so this is a beautiful country. what are the people think when they hear the sort of things ? because i'm sure sort of things? because i'm sure some of the messages are getting across to rwanda that you know, you can't send people to rwanda as though and to me , the as though it's and to me, the impression is, given that it's a bad , i know it's not a bad bad place, i know it's not a bad place. i've travelled across africa, but know, are africa, but, you know, what are the people of rwanda think when they b

she spent over. £200 million on the rwanda rwanda refugees project , £18 rwanda refugees project, £18 , billions of pounds in hotels, people. and she's not processing those people so we can see who take out of the country and who to keep in the country. talking like this doesn't do anything. she talks about culture. this government has stopped the esol funding for people coming in who can integrate it and learn engush can integrate it and learn english so they're not able to do that because the funding for that, those english classes has stopped. she doesn't want to get people involved in employment and to do things. people involved in employment and to do things . she will not and to do things. she will not provide routes . so she's provide safe routes. so she's talking she tell us, talking about will she tell us, will she tell when she says will she tell us when she says that we all have a responsibility to take proper refugees, i agree with. refugees, which i agree with. what's going to be her statistics what's going statistics? what's going to be her many people is her numbers? ho

it's why we can't send prisoners to rwanda . i mean, rwanda's asylum rwanda.asylum seekers to rwanda. rwanda is perfect , acceptable as an perfect, acceptable as an offshore processing centre . and offshore processing centre. and it's why , as you rightly say , it's why, as you rightly say, we're limited in what we can do with criminals. now, the answer is to come out of echr. it's not to abandon all human rights. god forbid, but it's to have our own bill of rights, which is proportionate and sensible and limited and ditch echr not so easy because of various treaty obligations, but could be done if only we had a government that was determined to do it. >> is this a bit like brexit? round two, this whole question of a court that is completely outlived the usefulness of its original intention, rather like the trade deal that we were sold back in the common market days had become a political union. do you think the british public are ready for this? >> i think they're ready for us to come out of echr because i think gradually , just through think gradually, just

so about is the rwanda policy.g and the we've done some polling and the uk public are supportive of deporting rwanda, but deporting people to rwanda, but only their asylum claim has only when their asylum claim has been kind of, been heard. so it's a kind of, you due process. yes, you know, due process. yes, because don't want to put because people don't want to put everybody same category, everybody in the same category, basically hear them send rejected rwanda. rejected people to rwanda. >> yes. >> ea- ea— 5 would then because , >> and that would then because, like i said, there's 8000 people in 2018 who got rejected. claims only 1000 were removed. if we had this agreement with rwanda, let's send the failed asylum seekers to that safe country. >> and we do have an agreement. and the problem is at the heart of what you're saying is of much of what you're saying is a deal with the french, isn't it? >> yeah, i think there needs to be. the french need to be. you know, the french need to be. you know, the french need

it's why we can't send prisoners to rwanda . i mean, rwanda's asylum rwanda.s asylum seekers to rwanda. rwanda is perfect , acceptable as an perfect, acceptable as an offshore processing centre . and offshore processing centre. and it's why , as you rightly say , it's why, as you rightly say, we're limited in what we can do with criminals. now, the answer is to come out of echr. it's not to abandon all human rights. god forbid, but it's to have our own bill of rights, which is proportionate and sensible and limited and ditch echr not so easy because of various treaty obligations, but could be done if only we had a government that was determined to do it. >> is this a bit like brexit? round two, this whole question of a court that is completely outlived the usefulness of its original intention, rather like the trade deal that we were sold back in the common market days had become a political union. do you think the british public are ready for this? >> i think they're ready for us to come out of echr because i think gradually , just through think gradually, jus

so about is the rwanda policy.ing and the we've done some polling and the uk public are supportive of deporting rwanda, but deporting people to rwanda, but only their asylum claim has only when their asylum claim has been kind of, been heard. so it's a kind of, you due process. yes, you know, due process. yes, because don't want to put because people don't want to put everybody same category, everybody in the same category, basically hear them send rejected rwanda. rejected people to rwanda. >> yes. >> ea- ea— 5 would then because , >> and that would then because, like i said, there's 8000 people in 2018 who got rejected. claims only 1000 were removed. if we had this agreement with rwanda, let's send the failed asylum seekers to that safe country. >> and we do have an agreement. and the problem is at the heart of what you're saying is of much of what you're saying is a deal with the french, isn't it? >> yeah, i think there needs to be. the french need to be. you know, the french need to be. you know, the french nee

in rwanda , labour applications in rwanda, labour has other ideas . sir keir has other ideas. sir keir starmer travelled to europol in the hague to announce that if he were in office, britain would pay were in office, britain would pay money to europe and consent to share some of the european union's immigration burden. in return for an agreement that some illegal immigrants could be sent back across the channel. does the policy of either political party convince the public? i'll ask my panel. following the tragic moroccan earthquake and the libyan floods earlier this week, i'll be discussing with dr. sharon dix whether god has a part to play. when we're faced with a natural disaster. pension ers feel threatened, as millions could receive a smaller than expected increase in their state pensions after next year, as both rishi sunak and sir keir starmer refused to guarantee the level of annual increases known as the triple lock. i'll speak to the former chief economist for the department of work and pensions, jonathan portis . turning to jonathan portis. turning to culture, sir

roland. now when football spectators watch the british championship they see advertisements visit rwandavive panda i.e. now it is an attractive tourist tourist country that survived in the 90s i.e. so long ago a huge genocide itself genocide i.e. one tribe that lives on this territory cut off other tribes that also live on this territory and this moment he is very very eloquent er-e obviously it is important on the one hand to definitely pursue these people who are her collaborators and just criminals but it is also obvious that we need to find that measure, and because if we take even fascist germany , not everyone was persecuted there , the main ones were persecuted, members of the ss were persecuted. galicia and they have never been persecuted, there is no solution to the norwegian process, nothing touches the so-called waffensists, that is, the field , that is, the ss divisions, not those that stood in concentration camps, but in babine or in babine ravines. and those who fought on the battlefield went to attack, they were killed and so on and so on that's why they didn't get to some

and the blocking rwanda plan?e idea sunak could get idea is that sunak could get around this legally. this attempt to ground the deportation flights using the new illegal migration act, which always sounds to me like they're saying the act itself is illegal, they've just got illegal, like they've just got it but it's the it through somehow. but it's the illegal act suella illegal migration act and suella braverman block any braverman could also block any future injunctions. the idea future injunctions. is the idea . and again, i see this as a perfectly positive why perfectly positive thing. why should european body get to should this european body get to ground our flights? and you know , do they really have a higher standard of rights and freedoms than it, since we than us? i doubt it, since we invented most of this stuff. so that's my thought on that. i don't if you want to say don't know if you want to say more about or go the more about it or go on to the shap story anything on that shap story or anything on t

as for this idea of a rwanda style deal this idea of a rwanda style deal, well , i this idea of a rwandawell, we sent two secretaries of state rwanda. i think >> well, we sent two secretaries of sante rwanda. i think >> well, we sent two secretaries of fa sum nanda. i think >> well, we sent two secretaries of fa sum total|. i think >> well, we sent two secretaries of fa sum total|. i it. nk >> well, we sent two secretaries of fa sum total|. i it. and that's a sum total of it. and zero illegal. >> so we go. think >> so there we go. i think we have empty hopes that this have so empty hopes that this end anyway, end of the table. anyway, you're watching . listen news watching. listen to gb news sunday me, martin daubney sunday with me, martin daubney loads to come today's loads more to come on today's show, including a climate scientist , has admitted the scientist, has admitted the carbon sin of exaggerating the impact of global warming. to get a paper published , what do you a paper published, what do you think? the climate change is a real concern or not? first, it's the news with the wo

both rwanda. essentially, yes.ies are united and what needs to be done , you need what needs to be done, you need to destroy the people traffickers. business model and the labour party want some sort of exchange program with the eu , which is very counterproductive . both the counterproductive. both the conservative and labour party want to attack the supply chains , but ultimately you need to make it economically irrational for people to enter this country and you need to attack the demand side . and as we saw with demand side. and as we saw with australia and the similar scheme that they had with papua new guinea and nauru , you need to guinea and nauru, you need to detain, you need to deport people who come here through irregular means. >> i don't think either party really have. i mean even if rwanda was to be proved legal, where are we talking about a few hundred people, aren't we? >> well, it does depend on a number. you need to deport a critical mass of people for the scheme to actually work because it needs

both rwanda. essentially, yes.d and what needs to be done , you need what needs to be done, you need to destroy the people traffickers. business model and the labour party want some sort of exchange program with the eu , which is very counterproductive . both the counterproductive. both the conservative and labour party want to attack the supply chains , but ultimately you need to make it economically irrational for people to enter this country and you need to attack the demand side . and as we saw with demand side. and as we saw with australia and the similar scheme that they had with papua new guinea and nauru , you need to guinea and nauru, you need to detain, you need to deport people who come here through irregular means. >> i don't think either party really have. i mean even if rwanda was to be proved legal, where are we talking about a few hundred people, aren't we? >> well, it does depend on a number. you need to deport a critical mass of people for the scheme to actually work because it needs to be a disin

also tonight, amid the rwanda refugee row, could the uk really leave the european convention on human rights that churchill helped to found? the home secretary suella braverman this week floated the idea, apparently with the approval of number 10? it's extremely unlikely that the government is going to withdraw from the echr. if you look at the judgements of the supreme court and indded of the supreme court and indeed the court in strasbourg, they have said rwanda is legal in principle. the defeats the government has suffered are on technical grounds. we discuss this and the battle for the soul of the conservative party ahead of its conference. and sir michael gambon, bafta and olivier award winner, with roles from professor dumbledore to the singing detective, dies aged 82. we hearfrom his hogwarts colleague, professor sprout, miriam margolyes. good evening. the new defence secretary grant shapps met ukraine's vlodomyr zelenskey in kyiv today, pledging to continue the uk's support for ukraine's fight against russia. but how long might that support be necessary? the reality is that th

he plans to throw out the government's rwanda well, government's rwanda plan.se he's been very, very critical of it. but most controversially, he plans have a returns plans to have a returns agreement with the eu whereby the accepts migrants who've the eu accepts migrants who've come here illegally across the channelin come here illegally across the channel in exchange for us taking a quota of migrants who've come to the eu. well eu states already have that deal in place. it's being implemented now , now and eu members have to now, now and eu members have to take a particular quota of migrants. there will be lots of people who think that if we join that agreement then that is essentially us almost rejoining the eu by the back door. so brexiteers will be really, really angry about it. but keir starmer did have to come up with a plan. small boats is pretty much top of people's priorities. when you when you hear from focus groups and polls and so far he's been completely silent on the issue. so yes, it was a gamble, but he did have to say something. >> and i also

and wouldn't get a rwanda deal.it's only the conservative evs that are pushing ahead with the rwanda deal, which is absolutely pivotal to the way in which the conservatives see their policy of trying to deal with the small boat crisis . it's with the small boat crisis. it's all about declaring those that come across the channel as illegal immigrants, denying the vast majority of them the right to claim asylum and those that can't be returned to their home country because we don't have a returns agreement with them that could afghanistan , could be iran or afghanistan, syria and the like. they would be sent to rwanda. that is the plan. if they ever get it off the ground. yeah. >> the prime minister has been speaking on this today. i mean, they are sticking to line, they are sticking to this line, stop boats. whereas is stop the boats. whereas is clearly starmer is going, you know, the gangs . how know, stop the gangs. how different that approach would be on the ground . on the ground. >> well, i i'm not sure that it

own rwanda style policy.sunak might seem like political , sort of like an odd political couple. i'd say they've actually both been talking tough when it comes to illegal migration. however however, they have thus far failed to secure their respective borders . so with respective borders. so with their political careers hinged on stopping the boats, perhaps they should listen to the former supreme court judge , a man i supreme court judge, a man i have great respect for, lord sumption, who told labour broadcasting companies andrew marr, why decisive action on the echr is the key to ending this current migrant invasion? watch to put it bluntly, would you advocate us getting out? >> i would . now i've come rather >> i would. now i've come rather reluctantly and rather slowly to that conclusion because i hoped for a number of years that the strasbourg court would become more sensitive to the implications of its decisions on democratic societies like ours . democratic societies like ours. there is no sign of that

we picked rwanda where one million people needed clean water in the places we worked., and then each year, we reached more and more people until by 2023, all the districts turned green. we have finished the job. we've exceeded our commitment and reached more than one million people with clean water. we reached people like sarafina, who prayed for clean water. , [world vision has finished the job in rwanda, and it's changing the country. clean water means life. >> very good together with the government we can actually make a difference and be more impactful. >> we believe that rwanda will be the first country in subsaharan africa where everyone has access to clean water. world vision is now focused on reaching 30 million more people with clean water by 2030, including finishing the job of ensuring clean water for everyone everywhere we work in zambia and honduras. we believe with everyone doing their part, we will solve the global water crisis together. >> please welcome back secretary hillary rodham clinton and iwaywa. >> i am so excited to have this great privilege to

. >> the supreme court deciding on whether or not we can do the rwanda , and we've been rwanda plan,'ve been thwarted. far. thwarted. thus far. >> but i mean , they might it >> but i mean, they might it might be that we can we might find that we can find out by november that we can start people to rwanda. start sending people to rwanda. >> braverman thinks, we >> but braverman thinks, no, we won't they'll won't get away with it. they'll stop us again. there'll be more challenges. might challenges. yes. so we might just our own just leave and do our own thing. and makes point that we and she makes the point that we can rights on own. can do human rights on our own. we them. at we don't need them. look at japan. we don't need them. look at japan . they're fine, japan. they're doing fine, she says. >> i mean, this could be >> so, i mean, this could be brinkmanship. this could be sabre rattling by suella and by by 10 try force by number 10 to try and force the court to do do our the supreme court to do do our bidding, which seems fair after all. louis, i mean, it's what what the elected

, disincentivizes rwanda, it disincentivizes others and it means in rwanda their process will claim theircessed in a fair way. >> but if they're coming over here, being sent back to europe , who's actually stopping them coming backwards and forwards? >> i mean, it's more business for the traffickers, not for the people traffickers, not less, and lumping them as terrorists . terrorists. >> i mean, it's a bit of a gimmick really. the why do you call people terrorists? the more you the more it you use that label, the more it gets diluted. >> well, it actually know. >> well, it does actually know. that's on that's a very good point. on that. look at the that. and if we look at the population of britain at the moment, it's something like 13% of the continent of europe's population, despite us obviously having nowhere near 13% of the land mass. we are a densely populated country and a lot of thatis populated country and a lot of that is down to, you know, mass migration. the way that we've gone about about things there. okay. that would mean okay. so that would mean possibly that we would end u

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you you need a rwanda scheme. a third country where people are going to if they've got rid of their passport. so you can't send them back to their country. and he their own country. and he is getting rid that deterrent. getting rid of that deterrent. so news is you've got so the good news is you've got the illegal migration bill through labour voted against it. they times. you through labour voted against it. th

own rwanda style policy.nak might seem like political , sort of like an odd political couple. i'd say they've actually both been talking tough when it comes to illegal migration. however however, they have thus far failed to secure their respective borders . so with respective borders. so with their political careers hinged on stopping the boats, perhaps they should listen to the former supreme court judge , a man i supreme court judge, a man i have great respect for, lord sumption, who told labour broadcasting companies andrew marr, why decisive action on the echr is the key to ending this current migrant invasion? watch to put it bluntly, would you advocate us getting out? >> i would . now i've come rather >> i would. now i've come rather reluctantly and rather slowly to that conclusion because i hoped for a number of years that the strasbourg court would become more sensitive to the implications of its decisions on democratic societies like ours . democratic societies like ours. there is no sign of that ha

so i am very pro rwanda. >> so i am very pro rwanda. >> obviously i set up your idea i >> well, i setnd development partnership up going through the courts . i'm absolutely certain courts. i'm absolutely certain that it's legal. i worked on the legalities of it. rwanda will be a tremendous deterrent, and that's what we need . we only that's what we need. we only slogans. we don't need platitudes . we need a deterrent. platitudes. we need a deterrent. and rwanda is a powerful deterrent . deterrent. >> and the new report reveals the shocking lack of disabled access at train stations in the north of england as the debate over regional rail access continues . dear me continues. dear me, should we talk about a bit of showbiz news before we return back to nigel and claire and michael gambon . and claire and michael gambon. sir michael gambon. i always think of him as maigret. >> oh, that's right. >> oh, that's right. >> he was made maigret, and i remember him in the singing detective, which was an incredible role he played so powerfully. >> it sort of slightly annoyed me over the last 24 ho

and what the west thinks is not my problem. rwanda's president dismisses western involvements after being criticized by the us for his plans to run for a 4th term next year. the a live from moscow. this is our to international. i'm rachel ruble. 46 people have been arrested over night in the armenian capital as raleigh's continued for a 3rd consecutive day over the government's recognition of mcgovern of har. bach as part of hazard by john protestors acute as the country's prime minister of treason calling on him to quit. ortiz, roman customer, have sent us this report from the center of the hotel, the processors that'd be pushed back and joined it. in right now, the government building are shouting slogans. the traitor, missouri to the police have come down to we'll be here to cover the rest of our team here of on our media to estimate armenians make up. most of the population of nador no car box which for decades was disputed between as or by john and armenia following a spike and violence of the region and now belongs to bunk who under the cease fire agreement reached on wednesday. how

that is the answer around those rwanda's incumbent president gave to a french magazine. when asked how to comment on one as to comments on how the west might respond to his decisions run for a 4th term next year. i'm sorry for the last, but what the less things is not my problem. people are supposed to be in dependence and should be allowed to organize themselves as they wish. i am happy with the confidence that the one does have shown in me. i will always show them as much when i can. yes, i am indeed a candidate constitutional amendments allows me to run for 2 more terms of 5 years each potentially staying in power until 2034 because of how many has been considered the countries. the fact though, later since the end of the civil war and 1994 winning 3 presidential elections since then was overwhelming and support. meanwhile, in a recent report, the us space to watch dog freedom house. it criticized for wanda is government policy noting that the president is not freely elected. the government policies largely said and implemented by the executive branch with the securit