we have the potential of overtaking opec. >> i agree withth sabringa. get the government out of the ay and unleash the private sector. i don't like the goal of overtaking opec, but what if oil goes back to $17 a barrel. just unleash the private sector, david, they will do a far bettr job than the government will. we'll see all of the lousy investments and tax on solyndra. >> i do like focusing on opec. since the 1970s, we have been in the beck and call of opec. it is nice to put them as a minor inconvenience than a major inconvenience if our lives. >> it is a gutsy goal. mike hit the nail on the head. unleash the private sector. we are talking about recession years, when you look at that. traditional energy created 500,000 jobs and if government got out of the way, you wld see those numbers go crazy. this is the way of the future. >> rick, you hear morgan talng. and she's disagreeing with you. >> i don't disagree she is smartest one in the group. but be more secific about getting the government out of the way. are you saying remove the regulations on th

we'll go with moshing an and mike and sabringa and rick. >> rick, this is usually steve forbes job but do you believe that the individuals who skewed up deserve bon us. >> i feel the need to talk flat tax. i think the bon idea is a bad idea particularly as it a ployed to the irs. remember when we have had a situation with private insurance companies and they are bonusingadjustors and paying them to deny claims. i have a similar problem with irs agents paid to colct more money. i tellou the great surprise. >> orust screw up. >> or screw up. you know who favors bonusing the federal -- the heritage foundation. >> you are an agent of the heritage foundation? >> i have been accued of many. from james, the senior economist. we should shift the distribution from base pay to bonus. >> mike, lois learner who was in charge of the tax exemption got a $42,000 bonus or several bonuses adding up to 42,000. show gave on the a bunch of information that was not true. and her predecessor got bonuses and all told $92 million in bonuses went out to irs officials, isn't that wrong? >> you are trying to get

we'll go with moshing an and mike and sabringa and rick. >> rick, this is usually steve forbes job buto you believe that the individuals who skewed up deserve