. >> giovanni destefano is one of the attorneys representing saddam hussein. mr. di stefano, good morning to you. >> good morning, katie. ♪ ♪ ♪ [inaudible] i don't offend snow white. >> you live in a fantasy land. >> he really believed that. it's a matter for you, i really don't care. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> by this stage in my career, i was the longest serving officer in the city of london. it wasn't it uncommon occurrence, if we say someone -- he could say, could you have a look at this? so, cases like this, high profile, count me as a lawyer. they would find my way -- [inaudible] >> hi. >> welcome back to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. the man often called the butcher of the balkans by his critics was found dead at his mansion. the un said on saturday. >> it was clear it was politics. it was clear that di stefano it's gonna be a fighter of justice. and he will take on the legal establishment. >> -- was genuinely eerie. what he should've done last year is to have stopped the trial. they should have had the courage to stop the trial, and let him go, and let him d

. >> giovanni destefano is one of the attorneys representing saddam hussein. mr.efano, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> >> -- committed the most serious of criminal offenses. you know, i don't personally know what. do you believe that? i really don't care. i don't live in a fantasy land. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the legal world of london is a bit of a village really. very elitist. the judges and lawyers come from the same chambers. they've been school together. they will tell latin jokes among themselves. and along came this very unusual lawyer. with a love of tv cameras and seeing himself on the screen. >> one, two, three. giovanni stefano. giovanni di stefano. >> the first time i came across giovanni di stefano, he was fussing around in the corridors. no time for us reporters. he was a complete and utter outsider. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i had heard of giovanni di stefano through the grapevine. and to start with everybody just thought he was slightly a bit of an odd character. >> i had been introduced to him, yeah, we could do something together. he had that slightly manic way a

when we heard about saddam hussein, some of the biggest villains of the late 20th century.s a day, i want to find out when he was on trial because i wanted to be there. >> when i looked at the diary, the first available date was 2013. we would have to wait two years for the trial. and at that point, my heart sank. but i saw the bigger picture. and some strange bed, after five years, i knew that the work was now going to really begin. and the reason i say that, it is because he was now going to get the opportunity to give his side of the story. when di stefano provided his pretrial defense case statements, the whole case took a rather dramatic twist. >> the defendant is a long-standing member of the security services, mi6. [noise] >> he was claiming to be a spy. >> part of his duties was to build up a reputation as an international lawyer. and thereby gain access to some of the world's major persons of interests. the mi6, mossad, and the cia. >> his father was saying that he had worked under the cover of a lawyer, to essentially befriend despots. >> martin chambers, of oxfor

he really has had one of the most difficult positions in this country since the fall of saddam hussein must suffer academy, a form intelligence official in iraq was appointed as prime minister in may of 2020 at a time when it really protests like this one that we're seeing now we're very much happening prior to his appointment, and he is now taking this opportunity to call for calm and unity. and he said, and patience is important. and he urged the demonstrators as security forces not to be drawn into confrontation with one another. and that to respect state institutions, and this is a man who has had a very close relationship with all the different parties, including the united states. see had a visit, a from the u. s. president in 2020 in may when he was appointed. and he also has been to washington as well, and he's also got ties to the radian officials into iran. he seemed to be the ideal choice at the time. but now it's proving to be very much a different case because he's been in the interim prime minister since the lectures will help here in october of last year. and there hasn'

and of course 75% supported the war when the statue of saddam hussein fell but because we really didn't know what we were doing or tried to change the mission statement or strategy from deposing of saddam hussein and sort of letting some provisional government takeover rather than the one that we wanted. we wanted to do the right thing. i went over there twice and when i saw the amount of carnage and investment and dissension at home, i said to myself whatever the cause and efficacy, the country at this time and place is not capable of that anymore. so next time i heard something about going into syria and libya i thought no. and it was tragic because the people you talk to that were fighting the war would say to you we are over here and we are winning. why is everybody against it. then you kind of said to them there's only one thing worse than a bad war, and that's losing a bad war and we were going to lose. we'll see what iraq is, but that made a big change. and so the idea of optional middle east engagement on the ground is optional military engagement abroad. the country right now i

remind them the fate of saddam hussein remind him of the fate of colonel gaddafi and on the list.eral , you are serious, that is, the americans, in general, they consider everyone around to be idiots. one-day butterflies, or something, there is no memory at all, of course, now with you blinkin is absolutely in love, that is , it was necessary to try to find a person with such a boring face, but most importantly, he lives in some kind of his own imagination . he's terrible all the time. bored mumbling amazing things. moreover, he does not even notice how he contradicts himself in one phrase. then he says that russia was going to capture kiev and conquer all of ukraine, which will never happen, then he says that after a few weeks, finally, russia’s plans became clear and it turns out that now not only donbass but also to capture kiev and all of ukraine man, so those were our plans. as you said from the very beginning, or you already forgot what you said, that is, such a short memory is that a person does not remember anything at all, it feels like they were all replaced. that's how

go asking alumnis on the way for in put in prison, iraq to provide as game on saddam hussein for stroke up cove and talk to from best on dea, a ox, ganna, national, getting, don't know if our coast had to libyan gaddafi, a skin eldest. i should give you what's walked out. i wish fooling theater in a museum. julian is until you want to dish w zealand via i mean dish w 0. do you own this on the need all single moms and best i can totally. unless the reason us head germany is so dangerous, it denied the sovereignty of the country. ah. but march 24th 1999. the yugoslavia was annihilated and it was covered on live tv with with lawyers of general exemption and general bush village witnessed the events and still remember those terrible days a quest source. it was not even our be my, our medical democrats, miss milner. she wouldn't again i'm yeah, we don't tackle motion as a quiet was from the resource which is not in the proceed in our full basically. but i know he's not. yeah. summer with regional border b is one. i'm really cool. cut us off operation allied force has been called a genocide w

of the kuwaitis is the feeling that the danger has not yet passed, because the iraqi dictator saddam husseinpt to capture an unconquered country of 4 million on the western partners guaranteed the security of a small state two military bases are located in the poet that provide the defense of this country so eh float solved the issues of an ally at the national political level chose the usa as an ally and great britain solved all the problems at the geopolitical level, received support, protection , see smog, economic development, it is a successful example of building construction, it is worth studying, and ukraine, confidence, art historian andriy buzarov, because the situation in which our country now finds itself is very similar to what this arab state faced three decades ago, and from its experience, ukraine should already now count the damage caused to russia since the beginning of its aggression in 2014, discuss the necessary for the restoration of sumy with international partners and determine the priority industries that should become drivers of the renewed ukrainian economy olga zh

fact that in the late sixties the bas party seized power, and in the seventy-ninth its leader saddam husseinne-man dictatorship. what she led is known on july 14, 1967, the fifth mediterranean squadron of the navy was formed . the need for the ussr was brewing for a long time the mediterranean sea after the second world war left the us sixth fleet, then naval forces appeared. on that, with the advent of nuclear weapons, their ships and submarines were equipped with nuclear warheads capable of reaching southeastern borders, the ussr all countermeasures accelerated, the six-day war in the middle east, the squadron included strike missile artillery anti-submarine landing ships of the submarine , rear admiral boris petrov became the first commander, the social opponent frustrated plans for a possible attack on the soviet union in the seventy-third during the arabs israeli war. judgment day, our sailors did not allow the americans to intervene in the conflict and prevented a world war; now july 14 has been declared a memorable day in russia mediterranean squadron on july 14, 1990. the president o

and you run did so the americans out the run in the back after the war and of the saddam hussein imposed on iran. despite the fact that the u. s. gave saddam and the europeans gave them chemical weapons and military intelligence and political cover. after the war ended, iran gave an oil fields to an american oil company, conoco. u. s. slap sanctions against iran. later on in afghanistan, the iranians help the united states overthrow the taliban and al qaeda and then you're on what's called an axis of evil. and then after the nuclear deal again, the americans violated the deal and tore up the deal. so the problem is definitely not iran, and today the united states is constantly seeking a deal where there are loopholes, so they can buy the deal. so the run into saying until we have guarantees that the americans won't cheat iran and until the americans lift the sanctions that prevent the fall of the implementation of the deal where we can't have a deal. and the situation is not good for the united states and european soil markets are not favorable to western countries. western economies are

with someone who i prostitution existed to a limited extent during saddam hussein's rule. but since the 2003 american led invasion toppled his dictatorship sex trafficking his sword, fueled by conflict, poverty and the weak government. we passed for dozens of police checkpoints, but despite this heavy security presence, some of the tell tale signs of prostitution can be seen. if it allow a mennonite to pick up the kid for that block of them to the left, have an avalanche. you are in him a button. sophia sophie ah, the norms that govern iraq society today stand in star contradiction to the sex trade. i know better than a lot or better. this law me but at abbey, belinda, heidi and them as you. why shall you for while i v for a while and what they will mind were thought i'm one word deliver day of the plan with buddy women who are forced into sex were, can face retribution for dis, honoring their communities. some are even killed. iraq's justice system is infused with the same patriarchal norms and often convicts trafficking survivors for prostitution. there's far less accoun

well, because the united states went in and took out saddam hussein that actually created the power back him that allowed iran to, to fill that void. and iran for centuries is had influence in that area. and it's now because because it was this turmoil and, and what, what iraqi people are concerned about is that another, our molecule was very pro iranians could get elected. and that's why you're still in this kind of demonstration and it doesn't, it's not, it's not diminished, and it's actually enlarging. and this begins to sweep throughout the country. it's going to create that's going to give the, the, the sunni's and the, and the other elements within the society. the opportunity then to rise up. and you're going to have total chaos. and it's going to be a question of whether security forces would be adequate at that point to control it without having a civil war. well, it seems that the decades want not the denomination of the she blocks is being challenged by an anti iranian political force. why is this happening now? you think? well, it's always been there. it's just that it's acce

well, what if, you know, say iraq under saddam hussein where to give w. m d 's to a terrorist group? i mean, no one's ever done that. there's no record of that at all. we know that the united states may have allowed nuclear technology be transferred to some of the allies, but nobody, you know, they're the only people on record as having done anything like that. if you see the same sort of thinking, visa be china, well, what if china were to become military milk, military aggressive, although they have no history of doing that in thousands of years. so they are, they, they don't invade their neighbors. they, there's been little a few little border skirmishes, but the united states in countries on the other side of the planet, like vietnam, or iraq or afghanistan. or, you know, i mean, there's a proxy war in yemen. it's. it's that the hypocrisy is amazing. and as an america and i'm born and raised there, i do not. i just don't fathom how so more people can't see it. i mean many people do, but more should well, i want to bring the conversation into the realm

i remember conversations with my friend who was on armor when they were looking for saddam hussein inraq. they have internal military television. well, we understand that ukraine is not america. there is a little more money, but with

s was providing support for saddam hussein or rocks. invasion of a wrong if you can believe it. when the u. s. military shot down iran air flight 655 . the initial story was that a u. s. navy ship and the persian gold has somehow mistaken the air bus a 300 for an f 14 fighter jet. despite the obvious difference in size. they said the plane didn't respond to their signals and they only open fire because they believed it was descending towards them. and the u. k was right there with them insisting the tragedy was proof that it was time to move on and focus on ending the war. instead, we understand that in the course of an engagement falling an iranian attack on us forces, warnings were given to an unidentified aircraft, apparently closing with the u. s. warship. but these warnings received no response . we fully accept the right of forces engaged in such hostilities to defend themselves. this tragic accident underlines the urgent need for an early end to the iran iraq conflict, including an end to all attacks on shipping. the only problem was the u. s. military's official story wa

removing sit-down -- saddam hussein and his sons from power and removing the telegram with relative ease. the blowback since from terrorism and the elements that support them has been pierced and unrelenting and costly -- fierce and unrelenting and costly force -- costly. for me, i think we must see it through. the terrorists who threaten us here and around the world will never give up we give up -- if we good of -- give up. it is a -- will and belief. some things i knew i would be dealing with. some i thought i might be in some never occurred to me or to you -- and some never occurred to me or you. when i came to downing street for the first time, rate expectations -- great expectations unfulfilled for every part. occasionally, people say, the expectations were too high. you should have lowered him -- them but i would not have wanted to -- then any other way. i remain as a person and prime minister, an optimist. politics may be out of the possible, but in life, give the impossible ago --a go. [applause] of course, the vision painted in the colors of the rainbow and the we only sketched

in the ninety's during the gulf war against saddam hussein, sandy arabia served as a base for hundreds of thousands of american troops. but the 911 attacks were set back in relations. 15 of the 19 hijackers were sound it's. and then 4 years ago, the u. s. sanction the kingdom in response to the murder of journalist jamal kashodi. ah, let's bring in our guests in reality we have abdul aziz al gasha and he's a research fellow a project set that focusing on saudi foreign policy in washington d. c. doug bondo is a senior fellow at the cato institute on in london. zide bell bashi is a managing partner at hardcastle advisory, a political consulting firm. welcome. so you all are jealous ease. i'll start with you 1st in re out what have the saudis got out of this visit by by them pacifically? muhammad been salmon? well, i, i would say good, good morning. good afternoon and good, good evening. well, all your viewers, i think they got a lot. i think, you know, one of the things that came about in the wake of the russian war on the ukraine was this notion that, of course, no matter how much peopl

and so if anybody falls at a line, we whack them back into gear that worked for saddam hussein's iraq that worked for a colonel could off ease libya. it's not going to work against the massive nuclear powers that just aside from that level of a deterrence capability and collectively have a military force numbering in the 10s of millions where they needed to be deployed . so it's the, hence the sense of haste, the desecration the rage is because the bluff is being called and what is going to be? the response is going to be to head off. this is these approaching hazards. western central bank sters will print their respective national guarantees into hyper plate hyperinflation, area oblivion. michael is usually you want to jump in, go ahead. yes, so you just made the really important point that you call it a recession, but we're still in the aftermath of 2008. there wasn't any recovery from 2008. the situation is got worse and worse. and every single country, because of the debts were not written down. president obama kept the debts on the books, and the economy was written down in the u

but i don't think anybody graphs that if saddam hussein has gotten no one in iraq and no one side, iraq and so we were in the issue, there is one we weren't successful in doing what we hoped to do. but to suggest that there is some excuse for russia, but in its war of atrocity atrocity as a deliberate tactical war in ukraine. you know, they can invoke anything they want, but the fact is they are firing rockets at apartment buildings right now. you are one of george w bush's speech writers at the time. in fact, you correct what i missed the axis of evil phrase that he used in his 2002 state of the union speech. the speech touched on iraq, north korea, and iran, and said, states like these and that terrorist allies constitute an access of evil arming to threaten the peace of the world. in any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic. looking back, are you not trouble that that speech that you worked on might have been used to, but just a war that was built on lies and intelligence that didn't exec pulse intelligence that people knew was roles since that speech, nort

and that goes back to the or 2005 after the fall of saddam hussein in 2003. and there was a referendum put to the people of iraq about a constitution that they would accept. and they did overwhelmingly accept a constitution that saw a parliamentary system of government come into being. and as a result of that, they now have a prime minister and president appointed through a parliament and they vote for parties rather than the actual person. and i think at the core of that we see all the problems that it's created because do have different divisions within the different parties as well. and they're rivals within certain groups. it, it doesn't matter, they're religious affiliation. i think the divisions are now very much highlighted in iraq as a result of ad booked other else other and his decision a to leave the political a sphere for the moment because he said that he doesn't want to take part in a process that is full of corruption at the in terms of the protestors they're hoping they're sitting in parliament will delay any kind of a vote and inevitably forc

so holly and his family left iraq during saddam hussein's early years in power. he previously served as the education secretary and different secretary ben wallace has emerged as a favorite. he's been a key player in the u. k. government support for ukraine after russia's invasion. earlier i spoke to jonathan tongue, a professor of politics, university of liverpool. he says that this could be the biggest leadership race in history of the conservative party. i think it's going to be a difficult transition. first of all, there are some concert is he won't boris johnson to simply quit now and not stay until the autumn, as a caretaker prime minister. either those who do accept or johnson as a caretaker prime minister. but there's an awful lot of rosa riders in terms of who wants to succeed in this is could be the biggest leadership contest we've ever seen in british conservative party history. we could have as many as 14 or 15 candidates lining up with a lot of jostling for position within the party. many of them with considerable foreign affairs, experienced people

and so if anybody falls at a line, we whack them back into gear that worked for saddam hussein's iraq that worked for a colonel could off ease libya. it's not going to work against the massive nuclear powers that just aside from that level of a deterrence capability and collectively have a military force numbering in the 10s of millions where they needed to be deployed . so it's the, hence the sense of haste, the desecration the rage is because the bluff is being called and what is going to be? the response is going to be to head off. this is these approaching hazards. western central bank sters will print their respective national guarantees and to hyper plate hyperinflation, area oblivion. michael is usually you want to jump in, go ahead. yes, so you just made the really important point that you call it a recession, but we're still in the aftermath of 2008. there wasn't any recovery from 2008. the situation is got worse and worse. and every single country, because of the debts were not written down. president obama kept the debts on the books, and the economy was written down in the

operation desert shield" -- >> half a million american troops came to saudi arabia to defend against saddam husseinrces overrunning the capital of kuwait -- >> saddam had taken over neighboring kuwait and was poised to strike the kingdom. the presence of u.s. soldiers saved saudi arabia. but it infuriated the wahabis. bin laden urged the saudi royal family to let him fight saddam himself with his own army of mujahedin. they brushed him off. >> osama bin laden was furious. he thought this is the unholiest thing anybody can do, bringing the infidels to the eyearabian peninsula. >> in 1996 with american troops still in the kingdom osama bin laden issued a fatwa. it is a moral obligation he declared to the americans. >> outrage, shock and heavy loss of life. >> thus began the road to 9/11. >> terrorist bombs explode. >> who did it and why? >> killed hundreds and wounded over 5,000. nearly sunk a destroyer killing 17. >> both towers -- >> and in 2001 -- >> appear to have collapsed. >> bin laden's greatest triumph, nearly 3,000 americans obliterated. saudi arabia had created a monster. after 9/11 the mon

we don't want to go back to the days of saddam hussein where we are at war with our neighbor.ight years, iraqis committed to this war and have to fight with our blood and treasure on behalf of others. we won't do that again. by the same arabia is an important neighbor of iraq. it's within our interest to develop the arain death. saudi arabia is an important part of that domain and i hope that iraq by virtue of politics will really play that role as a balance in the neighborhood. we do not want to be a staging ground for offending, threatening the national security of any of our neighbors but by the same token, we don't want them interfering in the first sovereign stable iraq should be the common interest of our neighborhood. >> iraq at this point given what is happening in tunisia, the only arab nation in democracy. is it a stable democracy? >> democracy by nature is messy and difficult. and we've had elections eight, nine months ago. we've not been able to bring to the a closure and establish a new government. iraqi political actors have been engaged in all kinds of legal man

we know with saddam hussein having weapons of mass destruction. the kingdom of saudi investigated the crime and held those responsible accountable and paying the price of the crime committed as we speak. we investigated, punished and ensure that this doesn't happen again. this is what countries do. this is what the u.s. did when the mistake of abu gharaib was committed. somebody transgresses or makes a mistake. >> president biden as a candidate certainly believed the u.s. intelligence assessment. >> we had a similar discussion with president trump on the campaign trail. what people say on the campaign trail sometimes isn't reflected of being in office with intelligence and access to a fuller and broader picture and the relationship between our two countries is a strzok, strategic, important relationship for both countries and want to milwake sure we takt to a broader, deeper level. >> khashoggi's former fiance said she wants him to ask the crown prince where the body is. >> i don't know that we know where the body is and had an investigation and p

both of them are created by the united states in afghanistan in 2001 and the attack on saddam hussein in 2003 after which of course those wars evolved into an international war. i do want to say that if war like behavior has declined in other words you aren't quite ready for that there are still interventions and countries are doing things which are warlike but they are doing wars and entering into wars with each other. their economic sanctions which can have it to look serious effect but overall a large number of border conflicts maybe 50 to 70 in which one country ties tries to seize territory from another but they have only had areas which were unpopulated or i'm curious in. afterwards in other words they are trying to keep them from becoming wars. there was one between india and china a year ago. they shoot bows across bows and they engaged in espionage and stealing secrets. that's been going on forever and it continues. there has been use of cyber to spread misinformation and hardly a new phenomenon. and there have been covid regime changes. those deftly continue but i don't thin

. >> just call me saddam hussein. >> "south park" really, really detests hypocrites. >> christians andmy! >> well, okay, mrs. cartman, i'll legalize 40th trimester abortions for you. >> could you imagine back then that these people would ever get on network television? or any kind of television? >> it's a miracle. "south park" is a miracle. >> the early '90s the hbo shows start to kind of come into their own. >> and then have i always had these breasts? >> a lot of people want freedom. they don't want to go back to the networks which are saying, you can come to us where you'll make more money but you'll also have content restricted. you could go to cable and have no restrictions. not make as much money but have freedom of expression, which almost everybody who works in these mediums wants. >> some of the content truly was, you can't get this anywhere else. >> you're a fantasy maker, the only limit on the kinds of fantasies is people's imagination. >> hbo turned to people who said, i can't do that on television, but you can do it on hbo. >> white people don't trust black people. that's

number three, we know what the intelligence community settlement was with regards to saddam hussein with weapons of mass the kingdom investigated this crime post of the kingdom of saudi arabia all those responsible for accountae and they are paying the crime -- the price of the crime. we investigated, punished, and put in place procedures to ensure this doesn't haen again. this is what untries do it situations like this. this is what twisted when the mistake of abu ghraib was committed -- what the u.s. did when the mistake of abu ghraib was committed. amy: that is saudi foreign minister adel al-jubeir on cnn. >> i think his credibility is zero. he is a lying liar. previously went on international media to claim saudi arabia had not killed jamal khashoggi, that in fact he had left the embassy -- rather the consulate on his own accord. he represents the government that had someone dressed up as jamal khashoggi to walk out of thconsulate to prend that jamal left. i think we can't take anything that adel al-jubeir says with a boulder of salt because he has a tragic record of lying. at the sa

i mean, the war with saddam hussein was over.n the country defending it. >> i first heard the name of osama bin laden in a story in "the new york times." i went to my boss at cnn. let's try and meet this guy and find out what his deal is. >> amidst these remote mountains of afghanistan are the various hiding places of one of the world's most wanted men. osama bin laden. >> the correspondent and peter juvenile, the cameraman and myself, we travelled with bin laden's associates into the mountains of afghanistan which at that time was controlled by the taliban. >> a year ago bin laden took refuge here in afghanistan. afghanistan is perhaps the only country in the world that will accept him. >> for his first television interview, he figured he'd have a world audience. >> mr. bin laden, you have declared a jihad against the united states. can you tell us why? >> the arrogance of the united states regime has reached the point that they occupied arabia, the holiest place of the muslims, who are more than a billion people in the world to

the late sixties the power was seized by the bass party, and in the seventy-ninth its leader saddam hussein established a one-man dictatorship. what she led is known on july 14, 1967, the fifth mediterranean squadron of the navy was formed. ussr, the need has been brewing for a long time in the mediterranean the sea after the second world war, the us sixth fleet remained, then naval forces appeared. on that with the advent of nuclear weapons. their submarine ships were equipped with nuclear warheads capable of reaching the southeastern borders of the ussr when you accelerated countermeasures . in the first commander, rear admiral boris petrov became a social opponent. to disrupt plans for a possible attack on the soviet union in 73 during the israeli arabs war. judgment day, our sailors did not allow the americans to intervene in the conflict and prevented a world war; now july 14 is declared a memorable date in russia as the day of the mediterranean squadron on july 14, 1990. ussr president mikhail gorbachev signed a decree on the democratization and development of television and radio bro

his powers from saddam hussein. came to britain, they don't speak the language.very successful, quite good businessman. number two job in the country. he is self-made, got talented. i want someone like that is what the conservative movement been. >> carley: what does this mean for the war in ukraine? johnson has some major support, sending british aid to ukraine. does that change now that he's going to resign? >> i don't think it will, to be honest with you. it seems that ukraine -- no, i think the british are going to go on sending arms, sending aid to ukraine, although it very much looks like putin will take donbas. even breaking right now, it is 10:00 a.m. in london. prime minister boris johnson is preparing to resign. >> todd: we are expecting him to make a statement at any appointment. his newly appointed education secretary resigned. one of 50 british officials resigned after revealed johnson knew about misconduct against the former deputy chief whip he appointed. nigel farage here with us during the breaking news. we've been talking for the last 20 minutes