sahil: a majority of republicans disagreed with him.amiche: the last thing i will ask about this until we talk about it even more on other parts of the show, this is coming as ne broke that former president trump tested positive before he got on a debate stage with president biden. it is a remarkable thing to think about. i was thinking about, this is the genesis of how we got so politicized. how does president biden cut through that? how does he commence people to get boosted and get more vaccinations if he is dealing with that? jonathan: i think part of the calculations they are making in the white house now is, yes, we need to take this new variant seriously, but if we are being honest with ourselves, what can we do in a polarized country to address this issue? can we with a straight face say we are going to impose max mandates -- mask mandates across the entire country, knowing they are not going to be followed? flouted not just by governors, but everyday people. that is the sobering thing for the white house. they are limited as to

sahil, give us a bit of reality.other important legislation, whether it's build back better, willing to compromise, and we know how that's going right now. what is your read based on your reporting of the sincerity of these talks? is there actual follow-up to them? are we just looking at joe manchin signaling that he would be willing to talk about a workaround for the filibuster on voting rights? >> ayman, it remains to be seen, frankly, but the thing to know, the most important thing to keep in mind about this is that the debt limit carveout only existed because republicans signed off on it. they agreed to pass a piece of legislation that said, the senate can just this one time, just for the purpose of raising the debt limit, get around the filibuster, and that was their own cheeky way of trying to keep their fingerprints off an issue that they know needs to happen to prevent a catastrophic economic meltdown without having voters know they acted to lift the debt ceiling to prevent it from happening. that process is

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joining me now is sahil kapur and paul butler. paul, first to you.cted the former president to appeal to the supreme court. now he has, what do we expect next? or too hard to predict? >> so trump wants the supreme court to keep 700 pages of his records secret. three pages of handwritten notes from mark meadows. as a former president he has special rights. he is saying he has executive privilege and that the committee exceeded it's authority. but in a unanimous decision, the u.s. court of appeals for dc rejected it's claim. they say it exposed the fragility of our democracy and that court accepted the judgment of congress and president biden that trump's records are necessary to address this great constitutional moment. but the court delayed implementation so they could go to the supreme court. so here we are. >> and sahil, how important would trump's records be? >> it is very significant, they want to investigate everything here, and there is a trove of communications in the white house to other individuals that they describe as a fire that was being

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so sahil, senator manchin just did an interview on a west virginia radio show.have to say? >> reporter: chris, there is no question that this is a devastating blow to the centerpiece of president biden's agenda, but whether it's a fatal blow remains to be see and just in the last hour or so, senator manchin has given an interview to a local west virginia radio station where he reiterated his opposition to the build back better act, concerns about inflation, concerns about debt. and this gets to the core of it. he said in his words here that the build back better act, as passed by the house, is still the same $6 trillion bill that senator bernie sanders wanted just with new time elements. in other words, he is zeroing in on the fact that these expiring provisions, which are set to lapse over one or two or three years as a way to lower the sticker price, that is the core of his beef with this bill and that will be very difficult to fix. in these remarks, in what joe manchin told fox news yesterday, democrats saw an opening, a narrow opening, but still an opening t

joining us now, senior national political reporter, sahil kapour on capitol hill. chief correspondent for pbs news hour. pete is still with us. sahil, so far jim jordan, you know, famously of the freedom caucus and ranking republican on the impeachment committee. a really vocal supporter of the former presidents has not said one way or the other whether he's going to comply. what are you hearing? >> that's correct. jim jord season not indicating clearly whether or not he will cooperate with this committee, but he did say he has real concerns with cooperating with this committee. those are his words which could be a hint as to which way he'll come down. the committee is only asking him to appear voluntarily. they say in the past saying he has nothing to hide. they say okay, if that's the case, come and talk about the messages, the communications you had with then president trump. >> and on the -- i want to play part of what jim jordan said last night on fox news reacting to the fact that they now want to talk to him. >> i got to be honest with you, i got real concer

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pete -- first of all, sahil, what does the committee want to learn from congressman perry?involved in the plot to overturn the 2020 presidential election, particularly, as you note, he was trying to get installed acting attorney general jeff clark. clark was trying to sign off on a letter making fabricating claims of widespread irregularities in the election all to get states like georgia not to certify joe biden's win. they have evidence from witnesses that he was texting white house officials, including then chief of staff mark meadows. they were making conspiracy theories about voting machines and which lacks evidence. so they have asked him to voluntarily provide documents and to speak to the committee. congressman perry has refused, and that's where they are right now. they're trying to figure out what happens next. >> is it tricky to subpoena someone of your own body, someone from the house, when you're a house committee? has that ever been done before? >> there is no modern precedent that experts are aware of for this, katy, and that's why there is a sense the commit

i'm joined by nbc news sahil kapur. sahil, what does the path look like?y. >> reporter: hallie, that requires joe manchin's vote. two things need to happen based on the statements in what he wants. there's a category of easy things. that includes simple tweaks to programs. means testing for income and adding work requirements. a lot of democrats don't like the ideas. they consider them bureaucratic. not a deal breaker. the difficult category is making sure every program is funded over a ten-year period. that is where the rubber meets the road. that is the most challenging for democrats to figure out. they have to make painful sacrifices and get rid of programs that can't fit within that $1.75 trillion ten-year cost. child tax credit would be difficult to include in that. there is a paths to get universal pre-k and funding for clean air and energy. these are programs that democrats can pay for and that would be a significant bill. democrats need to try to get agreement. it is not going to be easy. house progressives feel like they compromised a lot to accom

sahil, let's talk build back better. what is the status?ht this thing was not happening, nothing moving, but joe manchin was actually on the call last night. >> reporter: stephanie, i didn't hear the last part of what you said, but there are some potential signs of life for the build back better act. crucially, senator joe manchin was on that call. a spokesperson saying it was an honest conversation with manchin's colleagues for whom he has a great deal of respect. this was after some doubt about whether joe manchin would ultimately even join that call. chuck schumer saying that the build back better act is too important to pull the plug on and they will keep fighting, keep trying, and keep revising it until they have a vote. he's putting manchin on the spot, and he will swap it in with a different senate version. in order to win joe manchin, they'll have to make a lot of tweaks, some of those painful, and it's not clear that they'll be able to get all democrats onboard in the senate and the democrat to get it done. there are some simple th

i'll add to what sahil said, i would add one point.'t condemn this stuff is because most districts he has to win across the country are republican districts, are districts where donald trump is popular. this kind of red meat legislating, red meat behavior is popular, and he doesn't see any downside, and he's betting and republicans are betting that joe biden and democrats will be so unpopular in 2022 that that's all that matters, and he thinks that all of this stuff, all of this noise inside the capitol is just that noise. people hate washington. they hate everybody, and he could get away with not condemning this stuff. and i will be clear. he did say on friday, i believe it was, that it's not helpful, and anything that's not talking about the economy is not hlpful for republicans. he's taken i guess a quarter of a step towards condemning it and has condemned anti-muslim and islamophobic rhetoric, but not enough for most people. >> punch bowl news polled senior staffers on the hill. it seemed like both parties agreed that supply chain

which is where we turn to sahil. build back better is dead at least for now. where do democrats go from here to try to get any of the agenda items that were in there. climate, paid family leave, child tax credit and enact it into law? >> they're going to try to salvage something out of this. the way forward based on senator manchin's comment is to basically shrink the bill to a few programs and have them funded over a ten-year period. the breaking point for manchin seems to be the build was loaded with gimmicks that a series of provisions that were set to expire over the next year or two or three, and that masks the real cost for him. this is what democrats spent yesterday talking about. what could the programs be? one of the big casualties of this bill is likely to be the child tax credit. the 250 to $300 payments. those are very expensive to do over a ten-year period. that's why this bill has passed by the house for one year. if that goes, think what it means for the democratic party. they have been brag act the fact that they lowered child poverty by about

i want to bring in sahil kapur. explain what just happened in regular human terms, right?s averted? is this it? >> hallie, this was the most significant hurdle to clear because this is the only part of the debt limit process that needed republican cooperation. it needed ten votes in the senate. it got 14 republican votes in the senate. the bill still needs final passage in this chamber. that's likely to happen sometime between now and tomorrow morning. after that, it goes to president biden's desk. once he signs it into law, it triggers a fast-track process where the senate can pass a debt limit increase with a dollar amount with a simple majority, there's no filibuster allowed, just this one time for this one purpose. then it goes to the house, it goes to the president biden's house. they can do the whole thing within a day in the senate, and that gives them enough time to meet the december 15th deadline and avoid default. it's hard to overstate how absurd the process is because this is congress creating a process to perform a simple task. everyone agrees the debt limit n

joining me now from capitol hill is nbc news national political reporter sahil kapur.il, what i hear from democrats and republicans is that elections have consequences and this is a consequence of a number of elections over time setting up very conservative justices. and this is a direct consequence of electing donald trump in 2016. how do they plan on mobilizing democrats and are they sure they can mobilize democrats enough if abortion isn't rolled back entirely and only left to like a 15-week minimum? >> reporter: katy, plan "a" for democrats is to enshrine those federal protections into law through an act of congress. the house has passed that bill, it's gone over to the senate, but the senate is highly unlikely to pass it. it doesn't have a path to 60 votes to clear the filibuster nor do they have the votes to eliminate the filibuster. plan "b" is to take it to voters and democrats have a real advantage on this, a clear majority of the country supports the roe v. wade abortion rights protections. that includes majorities of college educated voters, suburban voters,

for more on this, sahil kapur has more on this.t are we hearing, appeared to what degree is the committee concerned about not getting answers from him. >> reporter: garrett, the official response is it will not comment on the stone deposition as it is prohibited from talking about it. congressional sources i have spoken to are skeptical that roger stone's broad invocation can cure him of complying with the subpoena. the economiee has talked about bennie thompson has said the fifth amendment is a weighty issue. there's obviously a constitutional right to invoke it, but it needs to be done on a question be question basis, so i use expect the committee to talk it over and decide whether roger stone's invocation is legitimate. if, for instance, as one source put it to me f. he's asked what he had for lunch, and he pleads the fifth, they might not take well to that. >> i stress yet again that i was not on the ellips es, and any claim, assertion or implication that i knew about or was involved in any way whatsoever with the illegal and p

so we also are hearing, sahil, some big news on capitol hill.an congressman jim jordan what are they after? is there a chance he's going to cooperate? >> reporter: the committee is alleging jim jordan had communications with then president donald trump on the day of january 6th and was also communicating with the white house between the 2020 election and the january 6th attack in what they say was an attempt to overturn the result of the 2020 election they're asking jim jordan to provide documents of those communications, evidence of the messages he traded back and forth with the white house that are relevant to january 6th and they're asking him to appear for a deposition now just moments ago jim jordan appeared for an interview saying he would review the letter he didn't say he would cooperate but he didn't say he would rule it out. >> right >> in the big picture, this is significant to know this is the second member of congress that they are investigating that these members of congress participated in efforts to overthrow the result of the 20

sahil joins me from the hill. let's start with this deal. can democrats get this passed?y is it? the republican threat could actually lead to a government shutdown. give us the latest where we stand. >> right. there are just about 36 hours to go before the government shuts down. the house introduced a bill that would keep the government functioning roughly at existing levels through february 18th. only significant policy change there would be an additional $7 billion for afghan evacuees. the house can process the bill quickly. it should be able to do that today. it goes over to the senate which is where the problem lies. a small group of conservative republican senators, roger marshall, ted cruz and mike lee have threatened to hold up this vote and shut down the government at the end of tomorrow. if they don't get an amendment to block funding for president biden's vaccine mandate. that's not something that's going to become law. biden is not going to sign a bill that defunds his own vaccine mandate. these conservative senators want to be seen as fighting for it. and roge

stoddard, monica alba, sa hill ka -- sahil kapur, thank you very much.ake it tough, if not possible to get all the gifts under the tree. the white house says it's because the president tackled the problem early and eased bottlenecks and shipping delays. nearly all gifts arrived on time with minimal delays. earlier this morning, i talked with transportation secretary pete buttigieg and asked him how they got it done. secretary pete. we thought weeks ago that santa would not be here for christmas. we wouldn't be getting our gifts, that didn't happen. is that because of what you did to address the supply chain or because retailers got in front of it and we ordered our gifts early? >> it's because workers, business leaders and this administration stepped up and worked hard to make sure that we had a good holiday season. look, this was a tough situation. off the charts demand combined with supply that was seeing a lot of issues impacted by the pandemic but really really encouraged by the progress that was made. like you said, i mean, it was just a couple of m

sahil, glenn, thank you both so much yamiche, stay with me.g news we're watching on capitol hill. president biden all but confirmed that democrats are not likely to pass his human infrastructure bill, build back better, this year. and now the senate's in-house referee, the parliamentarian, just threw cold water on their hopes to get immigration reform into that bill. now democrats are focusing on voting rights, with biden and vice president harris holding a zoom call with senators about it yesterday. keep in mind, none of their spending priorities matter if we don't have a functioning democracy. that is what voting rights are all about. let's bring in leigh ann caldwell. where does build back better go from here? that expanded child tax credit, the last payments went out this week. and at a time when inflation is flaring, you're going to have millions of families without that cushion come january 1st. what do we know about that and tell us about this new focus on voting rights. >> yeah, stephanie. so build back better is effectively stalled. t

joining me now is sahil kapur. an nyu law professor.ressman, it's the first time they have gone after a sitting member of congress and he is not going to do it voluntarily. will they go so far to pressure him legal sfli. >> the next steps are unclear. the committee is figuring out how to respond to scott perry's claims here. based on my reporting in the last hour, some officials are already raising an eyebrow at his decision. the big question is what will the committee do. will they potentially subpoena him. they will have to tread carefully here. there is no modern precedent for subpoenaing a member of congress. and of course whatever they do here effect all of them in the future. as of this moment they're only asking him to voluntarily appear later this year or early next year and clearly he will not do it. >> what about the legal imply kaegss, trying to force him, contempt, criminal or civil contempt? >> as they said this is really uncharted waters for the select committee. it is rare to have a general investigation of a sitting cong

joining us now is pete williams and sahil kapur.ider this a serious issue or a delay tactic? >> this is an attempt to delay this until after the midterms. they say it is too broad, it covers his political views and manners that could touch on a separate investigation. but it is a stall. it's not clear that he could do this for a couple reasons. first he says the committee has no authority to issue these subpoenas because the house did not follow the rules in setting it up, but the courts don't take up preenforcement challenges like this. a witness usually as to wait until the committee takes some legal action. second there is no legislative perks. so i think he might have more luck getting it far rowed down. it might be part of the law. are they working on the committee? >> they thises is a fully frivolous lawsuit. the valid legislative purpose question has been recognized by the justice department, by the courts, and one source said the house created these in the past, an they did not really have doubts about the legitimacy to inve

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joining us now is sahil kapour, now our senior national political reporter.gratulations on the promotion today as we look forward to all of your great work continuing in the new year. what more can you tell us about this important call? >> thank you, andrea. the call lasted a little over an hour and a half. senator manchin was on the call and spoke at the beginning. didn't really make a lot of news. said what he basically what he had said before according to people on the call. but this was a significant moment, because there were concerns at the beginning as to whether manchin would join the call or was willing to negotiate further on build back better. the fact that he did and spoke to president biden on sunday suggests that there is still a glimmer of hope for build back better to be put together in a way that can pass congress and land on president biden's desk. i want to play a little bit of what senator schumer had to say about the call yesterday. >> we had a caucus meeting zoom last night where about everyone participated. there was universal feeling t

also sahil kapour at his post on the hill. pete, let me start with you on this one. talk first about the claims that meadows is making in this lawsuit. >> well, some of what he says in the lawsuit is similar to what former president trump has claimed in his separate suit that was trying to block the committee from getting documents. namely, that the committee doesn't have the authority to issue subpoenas, because it lacks a legitimate legislative purpose. but the meadows suit goes further. it also says the democrats didn't follow house rules in organizing the committee, so it lacks legitimate authority for that separate reason. then he says as trump as said, that he can't be compelled to testify or produce documents because of executive privilege, though he notes he has voluntarily turned over nearly 7,000 pages of documents that he believes are not privileged. and he argues as a former top white house official he's slul immune from being compelled to appear before congress. that may sound extreme, but it's a view the justice department has expressed repeatedly over

. >> sahil kapur, thank you. >>> senator warren, thank you for being back on the show. >> thank you,s the previous gentleman said, happy december, han hanukkah, merry christmas, happy holidays. it will be a busy month. >> you're fortunate that you don't have as long a commute home, but you will likely be at the capitol, it seems to me you're going to have to be there longer than expected. is that the expectation on your front? >> it is. we should at some point decide we shouldn't always kick the can to december every year. frankly both parties have been guilty of that as long as i've been here. you know, i think it was good news last night, though very rarely do you work in a job where just keeping the business, the gamestop, open becomes a win, but considering the state of our politics, i think we're on a path to get a defense bill done fairly quickly. it will include a series of other amendments. you know, the build back better piece, there's both the issue of negotiation, but also there is the process requirements. i know you understand, hallie, but most viewers' eyes would glaze

thanks to all of you, sahil, thank you for being with us on this friday.t investigation ramps up in washington. another one is picking up steam in new york. where the attorney general wants a deposition from former president trump, less than a month from now, as part of a potential fraud probe into the trump organization. an hour after making that announcement, ag leticia james suspended her look at governor. isn't this interesting, david. realistically, let's start here, what are the odds that trump would actually show up and be questioned? >> i think low, that he would show up and be questioned without a fight. there's two investigations going on here. and that's the complicating factor. this effort by the attorney general to hold, to depose him is in a civil case, looking at his financial practice, the way he valued his properties, did he commit fraud. at the same time, there is a criminal investigation going on by the manhattan d.a., which the attorney general is also a part of, looking at sort of similar issues. and i think what trump's argument is go