ibsubpoena suwarez on from program when i was in cairo and trying to see you as well, also recently, and he saitoout president mubarak i'm sure he made mistakes but his was not all misfangz he has been a peaceful man. he never entered into war with neighbors. he never attacked any country next to us. he had a balanced relation with the u.s. so not everybody he did was bad. would you agree with that? >> well, not everybody is 100% wrong. i mean, obviously, he's done some good stuff, but i think on balance, there was a lot of-- as we now see, charlie-- lots of political corruption, economic corruption, cultural-- you know, corruption, the obscene gap between the rich and the poor, a total dictatorship,un, where people have been tortured, killed because they have different views. so on balance, i mean, i think-- i think on the bbs sheet, he has done so much that when you get 12 million egyptians going down to the streets asking for him to leave, that tells you the story of the mubarak reign. >> rose: should he be on trial? >> well, i think now, there is no other option." i think he will not be able