we need persons who seek to binds us together and are you mind us all of our common humanity. >> sally quinn wants to get in on this discussion as well. sally. >> i would like to ask my friends. amam. how do you feel -- imam. how do you feel about what his role in pluralism and talking about muslims and involving people of other faiths, do you think that that is going to help the atmosphere in this country and the idea and the perception of muslims that we have gotten from some of the republican candidate recently? that god wanted for all of us and american republican candidates need to know they are part of the fabric of united states of america. when you step on the muslims, you step on american dream, you step on what makes america. at the end of the day in diversity lies unity. i thought the pope made it clear to americans in general, and republicans, that it brings

. >>> welcome back to philadelphia, i'm john seigenthaler, joined by sally quinn and patrick horn back as we watch testimonials, as the pope watches and listens to many testimonials and performances at the festival of families. millions of dollars raised to put on this event in philadelphia by the catholic church. among the things that amazed me is to look out into the crowd, and the people have been here for hours and hours and hours. this is a long program. it has gotten chilly. the pope has stayed. i don't see anyone, few people leaving. >> nobody is moving. >> they are not going to leave until the pope leaves, because they want every minute they can with him. they are not leaving. people have come from south america and walked across the country. there's no way anyone is going to move until the pope leaves. >> and in the city of philadelphia, tenses of thousands fathered. the programme is a couple of hours long, maybe longer. it's been a long day for many. they started on the trains in philadelphia. they had to have a papal pass, and they have been here all day, many trying to get

let's bring back sally quinn and patrick horne back to talk about this. sally, the pope's been outspoken on immigration before. what do we expect he'll say about it to congress? >> well, i expect he'll be very strong on this subject. you know, it's only our issue in the united states has been exacerbated by what's going on in europe and the syrian refugees coming in to turkey and greece and then on up into germany. so he's got that to deal with. then he's got the situation in this country, and we're going to have to be taking in now i think 65,000 refugees from europe, from syria. so the pope is very much in favor of that. he's in favor of not separating families and giving amnesty to people who are here. he doesn't want anymore suffering. he doesn't want people to be poor. he wants people to have jobs and to be able to work. he also is very much -- he feels very strongly that we are a wealthy and prosperous country, and it is our duty to take people in from less prosperous countries where the people can't afford to live and where they're starving to death

the head of theology at ford university, and sally quinn of the washington post. [ audio difficulties ] welcome to both of you, and give me your reaction to what you've seen in philadelphia, sally. >> i've never seen such security in my entire life. all the time [ audio difficulties ] that's about it. but the streets are blocked, just completely roped off and people can't get anywhere, you can't walk. and people went through security and had hairspray and deodorant taken away from them, and it's just extraordinary. >> and patrick, we're sitting on the stage, actually, where the pope is going to speak. and i want to mention michael nutter, the mayor of philadelphia, and we're going to hear from the governor of pennsylvania, and in just a little while, we'll hear from the archbishop of the philadelphia diocese. and what is the pope trying to accomplish in philadelphia? >> this whole leg, even before he game pope, the world meeting of families, the vatican convention that meets every year somewhere around the world, will be in philadelphia. and the question was whether pope francis would