her lawyer from boise, idaho, also did, but i wrote sally reed's brief. >brief. her lawyer from boise, idaho argued it. >> rose: what do you -- i feel uncomfortable with that comparison. >> rose: because? we cop idea thurgood marshall's method. he proceeded step by step up to brown against board. he didn't tell the court in the first case you have to declare a separate but equal in any and all circumstances unconstitutional. he had building blocks, so we cop idea that. but there was an enormous difference. during the '70s, when i was litigating these gender discrimination cases -- >> rose: most successfully. -- but my life was never in danger. thurgood marshall would go to a small town in the south. when he got up in the morning, he didn't know whether he would be alive that night. my life was not in cairng as his was. >> rose: so a different kind of courage for him? >> e-forms courage -- enormous courage. another thing, the naacp which he headed the legal defense fund, it was the only show in town. african-americans, if they wanted to be represented well, it was