and today at the arch diocese of san fransisco, you have an important role. the book is called renewing parish culture, building for a catholic future and you've taught and worked in parishes so you have hands on experiences. let pee state this. what's the anatomy of the parrish? it has three groups, the people, largest group, the staff, smaller group, and then the priest, if you're lucky enough to have a priest, is priest or one, or two, or three. of these three groups i'd like to have you address the challenges and identities for all three, and if you could, let's start with the largest group, the people, the congregation, the people in the pews. we know there's a decline in parish participation. can you suggest to us what's keeping people away? >> one of the things about parishes is they have this internal parts and constituents, actors, but they live against the backdrop of a wider, larger culture. myself, i've been a parishioner where i grew up in salt lake city, on the east coast in florida, in seattle, here in san fransisco. the backdrop in each of tho